Looking back at QB's taken in the draft (1 Viewer)

[Wheelhouse]

Going back to 1998 let's take a look at how quarterbacks fared based on where they were taken in the draft with respect to others from the same position.

blue = was/is perrenial pro-bowl caliber player

red = capable NFL starter

purple = capable NFL backup

green = can't miss lottery - turned bust

1998

1-1 P. Manning

1-2 Leaf

2-60 Batch

3-86 J. Quinn

3-91 Griese

6-172 J. Dutton

6-187 M. Hasselbeck

7-232 M. Moreno

1999

1-1 Tim Couch

1-2 McNabb

1-3 Akili Smith

1-11 Culpepper

1-12 C. McNown

2-50 S. King

3-77 B. Huard

4-101 J. Germaine

4-131 A. Brooks

5-151 K. Daft

7-227 M. Bishop

7-239 C. Greisen

7-245 S. Covington

2000

1-18 Pennington

3-65 G. Carmazzi

3-74 C. Redman

5-163 Tee Martin

6-168 M. Bulger

6-183 S. Winn

6-199 T. Brady

6-202 T. Husak

6-205 J. Seider

7-212 T. Rattay

7-214 Jarious Jackson

7-234 J. Hamilton

2001

1-1 M. Vick

2-32 Brees

2-53 Q. Carter

2-59 Tuiososopo

4-106 Weinke

4-109 Rosenfels

4-125 J. Palmer

5-149 M. McMahon

5-155 AJ Feeley

6-172 J. Booty

6-177 J. Heupel

2002

1-1 D. Carr

1-3 Harrington

1-32 P. Ramsey

3-81 J. McCown

4-108 D. Garrard

4-117 R. Davey

5-137 R. Fasani

5-158 K. Kittner

5-163 B. Doman

5-164 C. Nall

6-186 J. O'Sullivan

7-216 S. Burford

7-232 J. Kelly

7-236 W. Pate

2003

1-1 C. Palmer

1-7 Leftwich

1-19 K. Boller

1-22 R. Grossman

3-88 D. Ragone

3-97 C. Simms

4-110 S. Wallace

5-163 B. St. Pierre

6-192 D. Henson

6-200 B. Bollinger

6-201 K. Klingsbury

7-232 G. Hamdan

7-241 K. Dorsey

2004 tough to call here, as players are still young

1-1 E. Manning

1-4 P. Rivers

1-11 Roethlisberger

1-22 Losman

3-90 M. Schaub

4-106 L. McCown

5-148 C. Krenzel

6-185 A. Hall

6-187 J. Harris

6-193 J. Sorgi

6-201 J. Smoker

7-202 J. Navarre

7-217 C. Pickett

7-218 C. Bramlet

7-225 M. Mauck

7-248 BJ Symons

7-250 B. VanPelt

2005 Hard to make determinations, best attempt here

1-1 A. Smith

1-24 A. Rodgers

1-25 J. Campbell

3-67 C. Frye

3-69 A. Walter

3-85 D. Greene

4-106 K. Orton

4-121 S. LeFors

5-145 D. Orlovski

5-152 A. McPherson

6-213 D. Anderson

7-229 J. Kilian

7-230 M. Cassel

7-250 R. Fitzpatrick

Tale of the Tape

7 of last 8 #1 overall picks were quarterbacks. 4 of those #1 picks or 57% are pro-bowl caliber players.

20 1st rd picks have been quarterbacks. 7 of those 20 or 35% have turned into pro-bowl caliber players. 15 of those 20 picks turned out to be at least a serviceable starter or better (16 if you count Alex Smith in that list).

102 QB's have been drafted since 1998 (last 8 years)

11 were pro-bowl caliber (10.7%)

20 were NFL starter caliber or better (20.5%)

42 were NFL backup caliber or better (41.1%)

58.9% of all QB's drafted are not worthy of being a backup QB

Pro-Bowl caliber players

Rd1 8

Rd2 0

Rd3 0

Rd4 0

Rd5 0

Rd6 3 (Brady, Bulger, Hasselbeck)

Rd7 0

Capable NFL starter

Rd1 7 (Penn'gton, Carr, Harrington, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Losman)

Rd2 0

Rd3 1 Griese

Rd4 1 A. Brooks

Rd5 0

Rd6 0

Rd7 0

Capable NFL backup

Rd1 2 Rivers, Ramsey

Rd2 3 Batch, S. King, Tuiososopo

Rd3 4 J. McCown, C. Simms, M. Schaub, C. Frye

Rd4 3 Weinke, Rosenfels, Orton

Rd5 2 M. McMahon, AJ Feeley, Nall

Rd6 2 Bollinger, Sorgi

Rd7 4 Rattay, B. Van Pelt, M. Cassel, R. Fitzpatrick

 

[Raider Nation]

Capable NFL starter

Rd1 8 (Penn'gton, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Losman)

Rd2 1 Brees

Rd3 1 Griese

Rd4 1 A. Brooks

Rd5 0

Rd6 0

Rd7 0

Capable NFL backup

Rd1 1 Rivers

Rd2 3 Batch, S. King, Tuiososopo

Rd3 4 J. McCown, C. Simms, M. Schaub, C. Frye

Rd4 3 Weinke, Rosenfels, Orton

Rd5 2 M. McMahon, AJ Feeley

Rd6 2 Bollinger, Sorgi

Rd7 4 Rattay, B. Van Pelt, M. Cassel, R. Fitzpatrick

I'll BARELY give you Harrington as a "capable NFL starter" -- but Ramsey???And Simms isn't just a capable backup -- he's a more-than-capable starter.

Good post.

 

[diesel7982]

I dont mean to ignore all the good work you did there, just wanted to point out a few points of disagreement:

How is Tuiasosopo a capable backup, but Nall, who will fight for a starting job, and has been Favre's backup for two years, nothing?

How is King a capable backup, but QCarter nothing? They seem to have had similar careers, despite Carter's drug/bipolar/depression problems.

Those two just jumped out, and I know its really meaningless to your overall body of work, just was curious as to your selection criteria.

I would think your results might be better by leaving off at least 2005, if not 2004.

 

[Wheelhouse]

I'll BARELY give you Harrington as a "capable NFL starter" -- but Ramsey???And Simms isn't just a capable backup -- he's a more-than-capable starter.Good post.

Yeah, maybe so - Ramsey was bench material while Brunell led the way last year. Good point. Simms may be a good starter, but it's not clear yet. The last few years it's hard to make determinations.Edit to add... I fixed Ramsey.

 

[ChampBailey24]

Good stuff but how comes Chris Simms is a capable backup while Harrington and Ramsey are backups? Chris Simms did fairly well when he took over Griese and he'll be the starter this year. Ramsey has never been a starter and Harrington is looking for a job as a backup.

How come Brees is not listed as a pro bowler while Eli is ? Brees actually went to the probowl.

Good stuff though.

 

[Raider Nation]

Also, David Carr is listed as a backup.

He is?

 

[ChampBailey24]

Also, David Carr is listed as a backup.

He is?

Nope.

 

[Wheelhouse]

How is Tuiasosopo a capable backup, but Nall, who will fight for a starting job, and has been Favre's backup for two years, nothing?

I thought I had Nall listed as a backup... I will fix it

How is King a capable backup, but QCarter nothing? They seem to have had similar careers, despite Carter's drug/bipolar/depression problems.

Meh, Carter is out of the league, is he not? He didn't amount to much. If he was worthy, he'd still be playing, IMO.

 

[Wheelhouse]

How come Brees is not listed as a pro bowler while Eli is ? Brees actually went to the probowl.

I actually teetered on what to make Brees. I'm a little skeptical with him being on New Orleans now what he'll be like, hence the omission. I'll change him though, since he did make the pro bowl.

 

[Raider Nation]

2000

3-65 G. Carmazzi

Gio Carmazzi made Jim Druckenmiller look like a savvy pick.

SANTA CLARA, Calif. (July 16, 2002) -- The San Francisco 49ers waived quarterback Giovanni Carmazzi after reaching an injury settlement.

Carmazzi never played a down for the 49ers, who drafted the former Hofstra star in the third round of the 2000 draft. Team consultant Bill Walsh, then the 49ers' general manager, thought he saw something in Carmazzi that would make him a star.

But Carmazzi, a Sacramento native, spent the 2000 season on the 49ers' practice squad as their fourth quarterback. He then had surgery last August to repair a torn labrum in his right shoulder, which has been slow to heal.

Speaking of Druck, did anyone hear the Dan Patrick radio show yesterday? They played a clip of Steve Young talking about him. Young said he watched Druckenmiller in ONE PRACTICE during the first mini-camp, "and I said to myself, this guy can't play."Young advocated asking current and former pro QBs their opinion about QBs in upcoming drafts, because they know more than scouts who have never played the position.

 

[Wheelhouse]

Speaking of Druck, did anyone hear the Dan Patrick radio show yesterday? They played a clip of Steve Young talking about him. Young said he watched Druckenmiller in ONE PRACTICE during the first mini-camp, "and I said to myself, this guy can't play."

I didn't see that, but that's good stuff. That Steve Young guy is smart.