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Looking back at the '06 QB class (1 Viewer)
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Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
Here are my comparison's, based on how I think they will progress as FF QB's:
Vince Young = Michael Vick - will end up near the top most years, but very erratic week to week
Matt Leinart = Brett Favre - will have cart blanche to chuck the rock, and end up with inflated stats
Jay Cutler = Tom Brady - will be the most consistent, but probably finish around QB5-10 each year
Making these comparison's, I'll take Matt Leinart.
Vince Young = Michael Vick - will end up near the top most years, but very erratic week to week
Matt Leinart = Brett Favre - will have cart blanche to chuck the rock, and end up with inflated stats
Jay Cutler = Tom Brady - will be the most consistent, but probably finish around QB5-10 each year
Making these comparison's, I'll take Matt Leinart.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
You know why I don't like these QB comparisons? Because Michael Vick isn't in the same caliber as Brett Farve and Tomy Brady and Vince Young will be the best QB among the 3.
-OZ-
Footballguy
How about these:Vince Young = Donavan McNabb
Matt Leinart = Marc Bulger
Jay Cutler = Matt Hasselbeck
Neither list is accurate. Leinart has nowhere near the arm that Favre does and won't take over the game by himself. Leinart is closer to Brady than Cutler is, while Cutler is closer to Favre.
Just my opinion of course, and others may disagree.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That...and he's actually the best QB.
by_the_sea_wannabe
:sj:
I drafted Leinart over Young.
I would go Young today.
I would go Young today.
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
I was comparing the young QB's based on FF, not NFL. It doesn't matter that Leinart doesn't have an arm like Favre.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
kensat30
Footballguy
Easily Vince Young. Rushing yardage and TDs can be huge for a QB. Just look at how well Michael Vick has been doing the past few seasons and he is absolutely terrible about passing the ball to his WRs.
Just imagine how good Vick would be for fantasy purposes if he passed the ball well. That's the kinda potential you see in Young.
Just imagine how good Vick would be for fantasy purposes if he passed the ball well. That's the kinda potential you see in Young.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
This is a dynasty question...QBs that depend on rushing yards rarely last.
Domination
Footballguy
I will take Cutler. The Denver offense has proven that it produces good numbers for its QB. Plummer was ranked #11 in 2005 and #5 in 2004. I believe that Cutler has more ability than Plummer and has a good chance of outproducing his numbers. He also seemed to develop some good continuity with his young WRs. While VY is the most exciting to watch, he does not have the supporting cast and mobile QBs are more injury prone. Leinart does have a good tandem of WRs, but the o-line is and has been suspect, and Edge is getting older as far as RB.
I think that these were very good comparisons, as far as FF value. (Dirty Weasel)
Vince Young = Michael Vick - will end up near the top most years, but very erratic week to week
Matt Leinart = Drew Brees- not the strongest arm, but plays in a high powered offense
Jay Cutler = Tom Brady - will be the most consistent, but probably finish around QB5-10 each year
I think that these were very good comparisons, as far as FF value. (Dirty Weasel)
Vince Young = Michael Vick - will end up near the top most years, but very erratic week to week
Matt Leinart = Drew Brees- not the strongest arm, but plays in a high powered offense
Jay Cutler = Tom Brady - will be the most consistent, but probably finish around QB5-10 each year
-OZ-
Footballguy
I didn't select Leinart, but my Steeler friends tell me Whisenhunt convinced Cowher to open up more during the Super Bowl year. Now that he's in charge, he'll open up. Plus, you play to your strengths.to the folks that selected Leinartlease explain why you assume that Whisenhunt (from the Steelers) will let the ball fly at will . . . doesn't he favor a ground attack??
Super King
Footballguy
i voted young. he is NOT like K-9 Vick, he can actually put touch on throws.plus he's a hard worker that has improved every year he's played football. also, why does every black QB get compared to a black QB. i would say Young is more like....... Steve Young.
squistion
Footballguy
And that was a dynasty answer. It doesn't matter if they last, as long they help you win your league championship while they last.
NorrisB
Footballguy
I think Matt Leinart is the safest choice I see alot of Tom Brady in Leinart and I think he will be a very solid QB. Im much more comfortable with Leinart then Cutler because I know what type of player Leinart is.
That being said, once I got over the Rose Bowl, I would take Young. And I dont think its really close, Young is a much better passer then people give him credit for, and I see Young becoming the best fantasy QB in the nfl. Young is the type of QB that can single handedly carry your team like a McNabb. McNabb was #1 in ppg and I think Young is more electric then McNabb and I think he's as good as a passer as McNabb, and I know he's not made of glass like McNabb.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pIWK7lN68fE
That being said, once I got over the Rose Bowl, I would take Young. And I dont think its really close, Young is a much better passer then people give him credit for, and I see Young becoming the best fantasy QB in the nfl. Young is the type of QB that can single handedly carry your team like a McNabb. McNabb was #1 in ppg and I think Young is more electric then McNabb and I think he's as good as a passer as McNabb, and I know he's not made of glass like McNabb.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pIWK7lN68fE
SSOG
Moderator
Really? Cunningham played 16 seasons. Young played for 8 years after he became the starter in San Francisco. Young had a 14 year career (8 as a starter). Elway played for 16 years. Tarkenton played for an astonishing 18 years.Now, a case could be made that QBs who depend on rushing yardage will not always continue to do so, but there is a very long, solid body of evidence that rushing QBs can last for years and years. When you consider that, given how much things change from year to year, most people only make Dynasty Projections based on the next 3-5 seasons, I don't think there's any problem at all relying on Young. Michael Vick himself, the Godfather of the Throwing RBs, has already played 6 seasons, remember.Young's scrambling might mean he has a slightly lower chance of playing 16 games in any given season, but I don't think it negatively impacts his expected career length at all when it comes to Dynasty leagues.
Cutler also has a great receiving corps (Walker is a perennial all-pro, Marshall/Smith are decent safety valves, and Cutler's TE corps are remarkable), but Cutler has the better offensive line, the better running game, the better head coach, and the more stable situation. Jay Cutler is playing for a proven winner (Denver) coached by a proven coach (Shanahan) with a proven history of offensive excellence (8 top-5 finishes in 12 seasons). Shanahan also has a history of taking supremely talented QBs and turning them into fantasy dynamos- not just Elway, but Steve Young as well.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Leinart, but I'd pick Vince Young if he had better receivers.
kensat30
Footballguy
And passing QBs do? We're talking about QBs that have been the in the league exactly 1 year. Chances are that one or even both of Leinhart and Cutler will NEVER reach the level that Young was at last season. Neither one of those guys has the potential to put up the numbers that Vince can, and already has, put up on the ground. And you know, not every passing QB that comes into the NFL can succeed as a fantasy QB... Young has already demonstrated the fact that he can be a very competent fantasy QB due to his rushing ability. Vick has shown over a period of several seasons that rushing QBs can make an impact as fantasy QBs. Culpepper and McNabb have shown that Qbs who can run can reach stud levels if they develop a passing game.When you talk about "lasting" power regarding Vince Young, it makes me shake my head. The guy has already been there and done that as a fantasy QB and that is more than half the battle, short term or long term. Who's to say that Leinhart or Cutler are so much more likely to be better passers anyways. And that is not what we're talking about here, we're talking about "fantasy". Even if Vince doesn't "last" as a rushing QB, he can still be infinitely more valuable than a guy who may never get there at all.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'm obviously talking about how long they can be a viable fantasy starter...I could care less how long a QB is holding a clipboard.If you're a VY owner, ride him for a few years and then dump him. Leinart on the other hand has the same upside with a much greater chance for long term success.(measured by years as a viable ff QB, not holding a clipboard)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
These are better comparisons of teh three players. I see them just about the same;Vince Young = McNabb
Jay Cutler = Favre
Matt Leinart = Brady / Hasselbeck
SSOG
Moderator
Again, if you're projecting more than 5 years into the future in a dynasty league, then you're probably doing something wrong... and if you think that Vince Young is going to be holding a clipboard in 5 years, then you're DEFINITELY doing something wrong.
Actually, that is a simple fact. Looking at it based solely on upside, Young's is the highest. Remember Randall Cunningham? From 1987 to 1990, he finished 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 1st. He missed 1991 to injury, but in 1992 he finished 3rd in 15 games. You know who finished first that year? Steve Young, who also finished first overall in 1993 and 1994. After battling some injuries, Young finished first again in 1998. Steve Young finally had to retire after the 1999 season, but then lo and behold, who finished 1st in 2000? Why, it was Daunte Culpepper, a guy who had never before attempted a pass in the NFL, mainly on the strength of his 90/470/7 rushing. Once again, 2001 was shortened by injury, but then Culpepper finished 1st in 2002, 2003, and 2004. That 2004 was the most memorable of the bunch, because that was the season that Peyton Manning, the "pure passer", obliterated several pretty big records, only to watch Culpepper once again finish #1 on the strength of his 89/406/2 rushing. In the last 20 seasons, those three QBs have accounted for ELEVEN OF THE TWENTY #1 overall finishes. And you know who holds the other 9 #1 finishes? Don Majkowski got one in a year when he rushed for 75/358/5, and the other 8 have gone to pocket passers (3 for Favre, 2 for Warner, 1 each for Moon, Palmer, and Manning). In other words, despite representing such a minority of the league, scrambling QBs have accounted for 12 of the last 20 first-place finishes.Peyton Manning only has 25% as many #1 overall finishes as Daunte Culpepper. Hell, even Kordell Freaking Stewart finished #2 once thanks to his rushing production. So when someone says that nobody in the league has a higher upside than Vince Young or Michael Vick, it is an easily observable, easily demonstrable FACT. You might like Leinart. You might secretly wish that you were the one who had his lovechild. You could even think that he's going to be the best QB in the history of the NFL. Despite all of this, you cannot argue that Vince Young's upside is dramatically higher. It's also an easily observable fact that the injury risk is higher, but that doesn't change the fact that the upside is higher, and none of the three have as much potential to put up a 3-4 year stretch that will be talked about for decades to come as Vince Young does.
