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Looking for break-out or under-rated WR (1 Viewer)

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Apologies in advance if this is a Honda....

Looking for thoughts on a WR that may be ready to break-out in `09. Not the D Bowe - taking it to the next level type of WRs.... the "haven't done much if anything, and ready to turn the corner" i.e. Roddy White circe 2009.

Here's a list of candidates:

2008

NAME SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM

 Donnie Avery HOUSTON 2 2(33) St. Louis

 Devin Thomas MICHIGAN STATE 2 3(34) Washington

 Jordy Nelson KANSAS STATE 2 5(36) Green Bay

 James Hardy INDIANA 2 10(41) Buffalo

 Eddie Royal VIRGINIA TECH 2 11(42) Denver

 Jerome Simpson COAST CAROLINA 2 15(46) Cincinnati

 DeSean Jackson CALIFORNIA 2 18(49) Philadelphia

 Malcolm Kelly OKLAHOMA 2 20(51) Washington

 Limas Sweed TEXAS 2 22(53) Pittsburgh

 Dexter Jackson APPALACHIAN ST 2 27(58) Tampa Bay

 Earl Bennett VANDERBILT 3 7(70) Chicago

 Early Doucet LSU 3 18(81) Arizona

 Harry Douglas LOUISVILLE 3 21(84) Atlanta

 Mario Manningham MICHIGAN 3 32(95) New York

 Andre Caldwell FLORIDA 3 34(97) Cincinnati

 William Franklin MISSOURI 4 6(105) Kansas City

 Marcus Smith NEW MEXICO 4 7(106) Baltimore

 Arman Shields RICHMOND 4 26(125) Oakland

 Lavelle Hawkins CALIFORNIA 4 27(126) Tennessee

 Keenan Burton KENTUCKY 4 29(128) St. Louis

 Kenneth Moore WAKE FOREST 5 1(136) Detroit

 Matt Slater UCLA 5 18(153) New England

 Marcus Henry KANSAS 6 5(171) New York

 Josh Morgan VIRGINIA TECH 6 8(174) San Francisco

 Kevin Robinson UTAH STATE 6 16(182) Kansas City

 Paul Hubbard WISCONSIN 6 25(191) Cleveland

 Jaymar Johnson JACKSON STATE 6 27(193) Minnesota

 Pierre Garcon MTUNION 6 39(205) Indianapolis

 Justin Harper VIRGINIA TECH 7 8(215) Baltimore

 Brett Swain SAN DIEGO STATE 7 10(217) Green Bay

 Steve Johnson KENTUCKY 7 17(224) Buffalo

 Chaz Schilens SAN DIEGO STATE 7 19(226) Oakland

 Adrian Arrington MICHIGAN 7 30(237) New Orleans

 Mario Urrutia LOUISVILLE 7 39(246) Cincinnati

 Marcus Monk ARKANSAS 7 41(248) Chicago

2007

NAME SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM

 Calvin Johnson GEORGIA TECH 1 2(2) Detroit

 Ted Ginn, Jr. OHIO STATE 1 9(9) Miami

 Dwayne Bowe LSU 1 23(23) Kansas City

 Robert Meachem TENNESSEE 1 27(27) New Orleans

 Craig Davis LSU 1 30(30) San Diego

 Anthony Gonzalez OHIO STATE 1 32(32) Indianapolis

 Sidney Rice SOUTH CAROLINA 2 12(44) Minnesota

 Dwayne Jarrett USC 2 13(45) Carolina

 Steve Smith USC 2 19(51) New York

 Jacoby Jones LANE 3 9(73) Houston

 Yamon Figurs KANSAS STATE 3 10(74) Baltimore

 Laurent Robinson ILLINOIS STATE 3 11(75) Atlanta

 Jason Hill WASHINGTON STATE 3 12(76) San Francisco

 James Jones SAN JOSE STATE 3 14(78) Green Bay

 Mike Walker CENTRAL FLORIDA 3 15(79) Jacksonville

 Paul Williams FRESNO STATE 3 16(80) Tennessee

 Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland

 Ryne Robinson MIAMI (OHIO) 4 19(118) Carolina

 Chris Davis FLORIDA STATE 4 29(128) Tennessee

 Steve Breaston MICHIGAN 5 5(142) Arizona

 Aundrae Allison EAST CAROLINA 5 9(146) Minnesota

 David Clowney VIRGINIA TECH 5 20(157) Green Bay

 Roy Hall OHIO STATE 5 32(169) Indianapolis

 Legedu Naanee BOISE STATE 5 35(172) San Diego

 Joel Filani TEXAS TECH 6 14(188) Tennessee

 Courtney Taylor AUBURN 6 23(197) Seattle

 Jordan Kent OREGON 6 36(210) Seattle

 Dallas Baker FLORIDA INTL 7 17(227) Pittsburgh

 John Broussard SAN JOSE STATE 7 19(229) Jacksonville

 Chandler Williams FLORIDA INTL 7 23(233) Minnesota

 Syndric Steptoe ARIZONA 7 24(234) Cleveland

 Chansi Stuckey CLEMSON 7 25(235) New York

 Derek Stanley WISCONSIN WHITEWATER 7 39(249) St. Louis

 Johnathan Holland LOUISIANA TECH 7 44(254) Oakland

2006

NAME SCHOOL ROUND PK(OVR) TEAM

 Santonio Holmes OHIO STATE 1 25(25) Pittsburgh

 Chad Jackson FLORIDA 2 4(36) New England

 Sinorice Moss MIAMI (FLA.) 2 12(44) New York

 Greg Jennings WESTERN MICHIGAN 2 20(52) Green Bay

 Travis Wilson OKLAHOMA 3 14(78) Cleveland

 Derek Hagan ARIZONA STATE 3 18(82) Miami

 Brandon Williams WISCONSIN 3 20(84) San Francisco

 Maurice Stovall NOTRE DAME 3 26(90) Tampa Bay

 Michael Robinson PENN STATE 4 3(100) San Francisco

 Brad Smith MISSOURI 4 6(103) New York

 Cory Rodgers TCU 4 7(104) Green Bay

 Jason Avant MICHIGAN 4 12(109) Philadelphia

 Demetrius Williams OREGON 4 14(111) Baltimore

 Will Blackmon BOSTON COLLEGE 4 18(115) Green Bay

 Brandon Marshall CENTRAL FLORIDA 4 22(119) Denver

 Skyler Green LSU 4 28(125) Dallas

 Domenik Hixon AKRON 4 33(130) Denver

 Marques Hagans VIRGINIA 5 11(144) St. Louis

 Tony Moll NEVADA 5 32(165) Green Bay

 Mike Hass OREGON STATE 6 2(171) New Orleans

 Jonathan Orr WISCONSIN 6 3(172) Tennessee

 Delanie Walker CENTRAL MISSOURI 6 6(175) San Francisco

 Adam Jennings FRESNO STATE 6 15(184) Atlanta

 Jeff Webb SAN DIEGO STATE 6 21(190) Kansas City

 Ethan Kilmer PENN STATE 7 1(209) Cincinnati

 Todd Watkins BYU 7 10(218) Arizona

 Benny Brazell LSU 7 23(231) Cincinnati

 Devin Aromashodu AUBURN 7 25(233) Miami

 Ben Obomanu AUBURN 7 41(249) Seattle

 David Anderson COLORADO STATE 7 43(251) Houston

 Marques Colston HOFSTRA 7 44(252) New Orleans

 Kevin McMahan MAINE 7 47(255) Oakland

 
I don't really know what you are saying/asking? You can't put Calvin, or even Eddie Royal in there with a bunch of nobodys. Your list is way too large. What are you trying to do? Find second level guys with potential to move to top 15? or find 3rd and 4th level wide-outs with potential to crack top 25. Are you looking for 2009 break-outs or dynasty potential?

 
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 Donnie Avery HOUSTON 2 2(33) St. Louis Devin Thomas MICHIGAN STATE 2 3(34) Washington Jordy Nelson KANSAS STATE 2 5(36) Green Bay Malcolm Kelly OKLAHOMA 2 20(51) Washington Limas Sweed TEXAS 2 22(53) Pittsburgh Early Doucet LSU 3 18(81) Arizona Harry Douglas LOUISVILLE 3 21(84) Atlanta Andre Caldwell FLORIDA 3 34(97) Cincinnati William Franklin MISSOURI 4 6(105) Kansas City Marcus Smith NEW MEXICO 4 7(106) Baltimore Keenan Burton KENTUCKY 4 29(128) St. Louis Josh Morgan VIRGINIA TECH 6 8(174) San Francisco Pierre Garcon MTUNION 6 39(205) Indianapolis Adrian Arrington MICHIGAN 7 30(237) New Orleans Anthony Gonzalez OHIO STATE 1 32(32) Indianapolis Sidney Rice SOUTH CAROLINA 2 12(44) Minnesota Laurent Robinson ILLINOIS STATE 3 11(75) Atlanta Jason Hill WASHINGTON STATE 3 12(76) San Francisco James Jones SAN JOSE STATE 3 14(78) Green Bay Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland Chansi Stuckey CLEMSON 7 25(235) New York Demetrius Williams OREGON 4 14(111) Baltimore
I think these guys all have a pulse still. Some more than others.
 
I like Jason Hill a lot. He seemed to be earning a larger role last season and looked great in preseason.

to the OP, you could have at least eliminated the guys out of the league and the ones that have already arrived. Then you wouldn't have got the reaction from the crowd. Have to do some work for yourself

 
i'll use EBF's list to throw my comments out there:

Donnie Avery HOUSTON 2 2(33) St. Louis: opportunity knocks. Spots are wide open and he flashed ability

Devin Thomas MICHIGAN STATE 2 3(34) Washington haven't heard good things, may take him a while to figure the NFL thing out if ever

Jordy Nelson KANSAS STATE 2 5(36) Green Bay When Donald Driver departs, he could be legit

Malcolm Kelly OKLAHOMA 2 20(51) Washington knee?

Limas Sweed TEXAS 2 22(53) Pittsburgh, should be WR3 next year with Santonio/Hines in the slot

Early Doucet LSU 3 18(81) Arizona If Rosenwhore gets his way...

Harry Douglas LOUISVILLE 3 21(84) Atlanta Jenkins just got a decent extension, so Douglas looks like the slot guy in a run heavy offense. Not much upside

Andre Caldwell FLORIDA 3 34(97) Cincinnati Word is he'll take over TJ Houz's role. Great buy low candidate after being MIA

William Franklin MISSOURI 4 6(105) Kansas City Bradley is gone, and Haley could bring a passing attack to KC, I thought he was gonna emerge last year, then Mark Bradley arrived

Marcus Smith NEW MEXICO 4 7(106) Baltimore If Harbaugh puts his stamp on the passing game, somebody will need to be the WR2

Keenan Burton KENTUCKY 4 29(128) St. Louis Looks like a solid possession guy, but has a long ways to go.

Josh Morgan VIRGINIA TECH 6 8(174) San Francisco all hype, no productions. We'll see

Pierre Garcon MTUNION 6 39(205) Indianapolis between him and Roy Hall, I'm not holding my breath

Adrian Arrington MICHIGAN 7 30(237) New Orleans needs injuries

Anthony Gonzalez OHIO STATE 1 32(32) Indianapolis Marvin looks to be moving on, so that can only mean more targets

Sidney Rice SOUTH CAROLINA 2 12(44) Minnesota Needs to stay healthy and have Tarvaris calm down a bit

Laurent Robinson ILLINOIS STATE 3 11(75) Atlanta injuries and depth on team, he's got little life

Jason Hill WASHINGTON STATE 3 12(76) San Francisco this is your guy

James Jones SAN JOSE STATE 3 14(78) Green Bay I like Jordy a little bit more, but Boldin lite certainly has potential

Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland deep threat has the QB to get him the ball, but pieces must come together

Chansi Stuckey CLEMSON 7 25(235) New York don't hold your breath, I'd rather have Clowney

Demetrius Williams OREGON 4 14(111) Baltimore spot should be opening soon, but he hasn't lived up to hype. Guess you could hope for a VJax like breakout or he could disappear like Clarence Moore

Chaz Schilens: has the physical tools, but depends on Russell's development

 
Hard to believe Denver drafted Hixon and Marshall in the 4th of the same draft.

Burton is an interesting guy. Was supposed to be more ready than Avery then got hurt.

Steve Johnson also is under the radar. More ready than Hardy to contribute.

If you're looking for the next Roddy White

S Rice - stay healthy and find a QB

James Jones - stay healthy and beat out Nelson for Driver's place

Those are the only 2 I can see going from nonestablished/borderline rosterable to top 10. Both are just as likely to fail.

 
A pretty deep sleeper who i'm keeping my eye on is Johnny Lee Higgins. Caught TD's in his last 3 games, could be gaining some chemistry with JaMarcus.

 
Adrian Arrington MICHIGAN 7 30(237) New Orleans needs injuries
I am not understanding needing injuries. Henderson is a FA who probably wont be back. Meachum has not lived up to the draft position. That just leaves Lance Moore to beat out in the end. I really like Arrington's situation coming into this year. My top 5 from EBF's list1. Donnie Avery. Best situation to be #12. James Jones. I think he could be a beast and like him over Nelson3. Sidney Rice. Another guy with ability but not sure I like him in Minny as much as GB4. Anthony Gonzalez. What you see is what you get for his career. I dont see him replacing Harrison in the end. 5. ArringtonEven though lots of interesting prospects and 5 years down the line at least 4 of my guys may have been the worst picks to have.
 
Brandon Jones had moments as a rookie for Tennessee, real good moments and then alot of concentration issues and just sorta disappeared. Many rookie WRs have been like that. This past season, concentration wise, he was eons better. He did the same good moments but disappear thing, though some catches he made weren't just big catches but tough impressive toes on the sideline or one handed "do or die" catches on winning drives.

IIRC he is a FA. I think the right WR coach MIGHT be able to put it all together and he could surprise on a new team in 09. If not he's done so, he's a good risk for dynasty since you won't be clinging and hoping for a long long time. He's "now or never" for dynasty leagues IMO.

I think GB trades at least 1 Wide Receiver so I'd grab any that are available cheap and see how the offseason shakes out.

Giants have two starting positions open(Amani is ancient and Plax is supposedly gone) so there is something to really keep an eye on there. I think Steve Smith is a 3rd down slot WR moreso than a #1 WR so even if you pencil Hixon in for one spot(and he didn't do that well late in the year) that still leaves a spot open. At the least, I'd figure the Giants want to make sure Hixon has competition.

Will Franklin has intriguing height/weight/speed for a WR but did nothing in 08. With bradley emerging what happens to him? I wouldn't roster him but I'd keep an eye on him.

Jason Hill(as was mentioned above) had me almost giving up on him but then he got my attention again.

I'm still covetting Josh Morgan in leagues like last summer

 
He's a notch older than the rest of your listed guys, but I think Reggie Brown might have some value this season. He was injured early on last year and never really synched up with the offense when he came back. If Jackson pans out to be a good #1 for Philly, Brown could turn into a decent sleeper #2.

Just a thought, as he can probably be had for a ham sandwich at this point.

 
Adrian Arrington MICHIGAN 7 30(237) New Orleans needs injuries
I am not understanding needing injuries. Henderson is a FA who probably wont be back. Meachum has not lived up to the draft position. That just leaves Lance Moore to beat out in the end. I really like Arrington's situation coming into this year. My top 5 from EBF's list1. Donnie Avery. Best situation to be #12. James Jones. I think he could be a beast and like him over Nelson3. Sidney Rice. Another guy with ability but not sure I like him in Minny as much as GB4. Anthony Gonzalez. What you see is what you get for his career. I dont see him replacing Harrison in the end. 5. ArringtonEven though lots of interesting prospects and 5 years down the line at least 4 of my guys may have been the worst picks to have.
so Arrington is going to leap frog Meachum? I don't see that happening without an injury. Moore, Colston, and Shockey will get the targets when healthy. Meachum is next in line, so Arrington needs an injury or 2 to have an opportunity. Just because Meachum hasn't lived up to his draft position at this point, doesn't mean he won't next season. I'd say his 24 ypc shows more than Adrian Arrington's 0 games played while rotting on IR. I'd love to hear an argument with rational thought on how Arrington is already ahead of Meachum. When did this happen?
 
Adrian Arrington MICHIGAN 7 30(237) New Orleans needs injuries
I am not understanding needing injuries. Henderson is a FA who probably wont be back. Meachum has not lived up to the draft position. That just leaves Lance Moore to beat out in the end. I really like Arrington's situation coming into this year. My top 5 from EBF's list

1. Donnie Avery. Best situation to be #1

2. James Jones. I think he could be a beast and like him over Nelson

3. Sidney Rice. Another guy with ability but not sure I like him in Minny as much as GB

4. Anthony Gonzalez. What you see is what you get for his career. I dont see him replacing Harrison in the end.

5. Arrington

Even though lots of interesting prospects and 5 years down the line at least 4 of my guys may have been the worst picks to have.
I hope you're right. He had the best off season last year and was expected to do well but got hurt.I like both Jones and Nelson playing at the same time. Jones has huge hands and can beat some deep. Nelson's a little faster but also has great hands.

 
 Donnie Avery HOUSTON 2 2(33) St. Louis Devin Thomas MICHIGAN STATE 2 3(34) Washington Jordy Nelson KANSAS STATE 2 5(36) Green Bay Malcolm Kelly OKLAHOMA 2 20(51) Washington Limas Sweed TEXAS 2 22(53) Pittsburgh Early Doucet LSU 3 18(81) Arizona Harry Douglas LOUISVILLE 3 21(84) Atlanta Andre Caldwell FLORIDA 3 34(97) Cincinnati William Franklin MISSOURI 4 6(105) Kansas City Marcus Smith NEW MEXICO 4 7(106) Baltimore Keenan Burton KENTUCKY 4 29(128) St. Louis Josh Morgan VIRGINIA TECH 6 8(174) San Francisco Pierre Garcon MTUNION 6 39(205) Indianapolis Adrian Arrington MICHIGAN 7 30(237) New Orleans Anthony Gonzalez OHIO STATE 1 32(32) Indianapolis Sidney Rice SOUTH CAROLINA 2 12(44) Minnesota Laurent Robinson ILLINOIS STATE 3 11(75) Atlanta Jason Hill WASHINGTON STATE 3 12(76) San Francisco James Jones SAN JOSE STATE 3 14(78) Green Bay Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland Chansi Stuckey CLEMSON 7 25(235) New York Demetrius Williams OREGON 4 14(111) Baltimore
I think these guys all have a pulse still. Some more than others.
I'd certainly add Hixon and S. Johnson, but I agree with the rest of the list.
 
Anyone young on Cincy or the Giants have a shot.

Others I like:

Laurent Robnson, ATL

Josh Morgan, SF
I think it's time to cut bait.
Not so fast. L. Robinson is a capable player. I'd rather him over Douglass due to the fact I think Douglass' ceiling is that of a slot WR. Robinson can play outside, but has been hampered by injuries. It's too bad he didn't step up this year as the WR2 spot was his for the taking.
 
#1 WR and will emerge in 09 or 10

Steve Smith USC 2 19(51) New York

I look for this guy to explode in 09.

Earl Bennett VANDERBILT 3 7(70) Chicago

Could emerge as the best CHI WR - I know, that's not saying much, but he has #1 potential imo.

Jason Hill WASHINGTON STATE 3 12(76) San Francisco

Continues to improve and overcome injuries. He could be the number 1 WR sooner than later.

Mike Walker CENTRAL FLORIDA 3 15(79) Jacksonville

Also battled injuries and more injuries. Should emerge as the top WR this year.

Demetrius Williams OREGON 4 14(111) Baltimore

Another injury history holding this guy back. Most talented on the roster, imo.

#2 WR in 09 or 10

 Jordy Nelson KANSAS STATE 2 5(36) Green Bay

I don't look for a true breakout until Driver leaves.

 Andre Caldwell FLORIDA 3 34(97) Cincinnati

Look for this guy to emerge as a force. He was described as NFL ready in camp last year, but suffered through injuries most of the year. With Housh gone, he'll be the beneficiary of the Cinco double teams.

 Pierre Garcon MTUNION 6 39(205) Indianapolis

I think Harrison resigns, but if he doesn't I think this unknown will replace Harrison and keep Gonzalez as WR#3.

 Steve Johnson KENTUCKY 7 17(224) Buffalo

Long awaited complement to Evans will come from this guy, not Hardy. Look for Johnson to emerge as BUF's #2.

 Sidney Rice SOUTH CAROLINA 2 12(44) Minnesota

Stop getting injured and Rice has the talent to pass Berrian as the number 1 WR. Still need to improve at QB and there may not be that many passes, both of which will hold this guy down.

Maurice Stovall NOTRE DAME 3 26(90) Tampa Bay

New offense and lack of Galloway could mean more involvement fof Stovall.

 
Anyone young on Cincy or the Giants have a shot.

Others I like:

Laurent Robnson, ATL

Josh Morgan, SF
I think it's time to cut bait.
Not so fast. L. Robinson is a capable player. I'd rather him over Douglass due to the fact I think Douglass' ceiling is that of a slot WR. Robinson can play outside, but has been hampered by injuries. It's too bad he didn't step up this year as the WR2 spot was his for the taking.
I think more than Robinson not stepping up was former 1st rounder Michael Jenkins FINALLY stepping up. Funny how a real QB can make guys that were close to being tagged as busts turn legit.
 
Personally, I think Meachem is a bust. I won't be surprised if Arrington passes him this season.

 
I don't really know what you are saying/asking? You can't put Calvin, or even Eddie Royal in there with a bunch of nobodys. Your list is way too large. What are you trying to do? Find second level guys with potential to move to top 15? or find 3rd and 4th level wide-outs with potential to crack top 25. Are you looking for 2009 break-outs or dynasty potential?
The list was to provide a complete list of WR's drafted over the x 3 years. My question is... to the Sharks still in the pool, who do you foresee as having breakout potential for 2009? Excluding WRs that have already established themselves (Calvin, Royal, Bowe)
 
Wow. Great topic. But horrendously organized thread. Least informative thread I've seen since the Kevan Barlow days. I declare shinanigans. Good day.

 
Here's a list of candidates:

Skill and opportunity are there-These are guys I would consider breakout candidates based on their ability to be more than one-dimensional in and offense and they possess at least one very strong aspect to their game that can set them apart.

Jason Hill I have compared him to Isaac Bruce while he was in college. I think Mike Martz saw it too. He raved about him him training camp and Hill has made strides. He's good in traffic and I think he's on the precipice this year or next of becoming a good starter.

Steve SmithStill developing and showing promise. Established himself as a good over the middle guy and frequent target on 3rd down for Manning. He may never have great down field speed, but I think he makes Toomer expendable.

Mike WalkerI love this guy's skills. He has the most ceiling of the three mentioned here, but the knee issues make him a boom bust pick. If you saw him against Pittsburgh when he posted 100 yards on them, you know he can get open in the intermediate range, catches the ball well in traffic, and is fast enough to be a big-play guy and a chain mover. Nothing I hate more than talented wasted to injury...hope that's not the case for him. J-ville thought he might be their best receiver from an all-around perspective even as a rookie.

Skill is there opportunity needed

Jordy NelsonIt will be between him and J. Jones for Driver's spot one day. I think Nelson is an intriguing player who could benefit from having Rodgers throw him the ball. Good size, decent enough speed, and after the catch skills. If Driver or Jennings get hurt, he'll step up.

Jacoby JonesIf he can grow up a bit and work hard, he has the natural skills as a pass catcher and physical skill to be a borderline elite WR

James Jones Flashes some high-end skill, but probably neck and neck with Nelson for playing time.

Keenan Burton I love this guy's potential. Terrific player when healthy. He's an intuitive football player with return specialist vision, and good hands. I think he develops into a quality starter in 2-3 years and surprises people. You can underpay for him most of the time, too.



Potential skills opportunity available to step up

Devin Thomas Terrific athlete with good hands and after the catch skills. Needs work on routes and stuck behind some folks on the depth chart. I would hang onto him or get him in package deals where I can. He should rapidly improve over the next few seasons and good enough to expect him to break out eventually

James Hardy Good hands, but lacks that desire to catch it over the middle at any cost. I think he's a bit overrated and would rather have the last two mentioned over him. A good player to sell, IMO

Malcolm Kelly b]Injuries...and lacks enough speed to be a consistent deep threat, but good hands and body control. I like his skills, but his physical health and speed is worrisome. Better prospect than Thomas out of the gate, but I think Thomas has the better career.

Limas Sweed Top notch physical skills; may never be a great route runner; A solid notch below Thomas athletically, but clutch at catching the ball in college. Worth keeping tabs on.

Earl Bennett I loved his hands and ability to fight for the ball. I'd watch and wait. He's worth a cheap trade if you can land him from an impatient guy, but he's not a guy to have high expectations because he's in Chicago. But I think he has more potential than Marty Booker did coming into the league and that means at least a few solid years, if not more.

Early Doucet Comparable to D. Thomas, but a body catcher. Still, he's in a good situation to be a productive #3 if Boldin bolts

Harry Douglas I love his game, but he may never be more than a #3 WR. Think Terence Mathis - good hands, better after the catch skills than one might think, steady.

Derek Hagan With Toomer likely gone, he has potential, but hasn't been able to hang onto the ball early in his career. Still shows flashes of being what people thought he could be and that's what Toomer was at his best.

Josh Morgan Very athletic, but not consistent. I think a little over-hyped due to good preseason last year...kind of like Jacoby Jones was in '07, but still has a chance to continue to develop. Offense up in the air though.

Long shots worth considering

Paul Hubbard I think he's a sneaky good player with great athleticism and good hands. He needs work on routes, but he is more than a track guy playing football. If he shows an ounce of maturity and work ethic, I think he develops into a fine complement. Cheap option too.

Steve Johnson A sneaky good option who will probably outwork a guy like Hardy and eventually beat him or share time. Good hands. Cheap option worth watching.

Chaz Schilens I think Oak, made a good pick here. Not a stud, but could steadily develop.

Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland

Paul Williams Has the physical skill, but learned last year that he can't get by on it alone. We'll see if he matures this season.

Adarius Bowman OKLAHOMA ST UNDRAFTED[ Canadian League - I think someone will take a chance on him. I rated him pretty high. Big possession type with some build-up speed and after the catch skills and good at adjusting to the ball. If he has matured, a potential steal down the line.

 Jason Avant I think he just keeps getting better, but not likely to ever be more than a quality #3. Reliable hands and good over the middle.

 Mike Hass I just don't trust the Bears to make great personnel decisions at WR or QB and Hass made plays in camp, but didn't get a chance to do much more. Seattle needs receivers, he might get more than a depth chart shot...

 
Great thread IMO.

I like Andre Caldwell FLORIDA 3 34(97) Cincinnati; TJ was not franchised so he will likely be paid by another team. I could see Ocho out to. It is all about opportunity.

I like Mike Walker as well.

 
Just throwing this into the fire here.

I'm a big James Jones fan. None of the Packer WRs will be traded this offseason by the way. Driver has a slight chance but I don't think so after the Favre saga last year.

Jones TD

 
The 3 I like with skill and opportunity have injuries as a major hurdle but it also helps to keep their cost down.

M. Kelly- does not have a true NFL 40 time but has great hands, runs very good routes and is also a great blocker which will help keep him on the field more. In pads he seems to have enough game speed even though he has a bad 40 time. He should be a good compliment to S. Moss

M. Walker- seems to be a guy that many like. Garrard and the o-line should be improved from this last season and with Fred gone I think they may try to blend in the passing game more instead of being so run heavy. Walker seems to be the only Jag that has enough talent to be a #1 WR.

K. Burton- this past year before he had injury issues the word out of Ram camp was Burton was looking a lot better than Avery. Avery took advantage of his opportunity but over the long haul Burton may be a more complete WR vs Avery being more of a burner.

2 others I like in two totally different situations.

E. Bennet- should have opportunity but it will be in the Bears passing offense :cry:

A. Arrington- looked great in camp and IF he can work his way as the Saints #2 WR in the next year or two he could put up major numbers in this explosive passing offense.

 
FWIW, I took in WSL4:

11.16 - Andre Caldwell, WR CIN

12.01 - James Jones, WR GB

Clearly I like their potential.

 
Just throwing this into the fire here.

I'm a big James Jones fan. None of the Packer WRs will be traded this offseason by the way. Driver has a slight chance but I don't think so after the Favre saga last year.

Jones TD
Yeah, there is no way that Jones or Nelson gets traded this year. When a 2nd round draft picks hits, you have not only a good player but a cheap contract. What kind of value could you possibly get in exchange for these players? Another 2nd round pick who might flop? And neither has done enough to have any leverage in demanding a trade.It looks like most teams hunting for a WR will again be satisfied with drafting one in the 2nd.

 
Matt, I've always enjoyed your work. I look forward to seeing how you rank some of the guys above against the incoming crop of WR's.

A few that have not been mentioned that have shown some ability, but I don't think have broken out all the way yet:

Domenik Hixon - drafted in '06 but never had an opportunity to play for the Broncos as a rookie, so technically in year 3

Greg Camarillo - showed good toughness and possession skills before getting hurt

Jason Avant - also drafted in '06, but if Philly doesn't make a WR move this offseason, I think it is because they like this guy's development

By the way, any football fan has to love that James Jones youtube above... :popcorn:

 
Great thread IMO.I like Andre Caldwell FLORIDA 3 34(97) Cincinnati; TJ was not franchised so he will likely be paid by another team. I could see Ocho out to. It is all about opportunity.I like Mike Walker as well.
I have doubts about any FL WR.
 
Just throwing this into the fire here.

I'm a big James Jones fan. None of the Packer WRs will be traded this offseason by the way. Driver has a slight chance but I don't think so after the Favre saga last year.

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Yeah, there is no way that Jones or Nelson gets traded this year. When a 2nd round draft picks hits, you have not only a good player but a cheap contract. What kind of value could you possibly get in exchange for these players? Another 2nd round pick who might flop? And neither has done enough to have any leverage in demanding a trade.It looks like most teams hunting for a WR will again be satisfied with drafting one in the 2nd.
Why would they trade them? I like all 4 plus Finley factoring in in 4-5 receiver sets.
 
Manningham might have a nice sophomore campaign in '09...Hixon isn't the answer, Smith is a #2 at best, Plax is on the fritz for now...Moss is a decent 3rd option...Manningham has a legit shot to take the #1 WR role in the NYG offense...reportedly he makes all kinds of big plays/circus catches in practice ( during the 2008 season), and they'll need to see what they have with him at some point by playing him full time..

 
Paul Hubbard I think he's a sneaky good player with great athleticism and good hands. He needs work on routes, but he is more than a track guy playing football. If he shows an ounce of maturity and work ethic, I think he develops into a fine complement. Cheap option too.
the limited tape I saw on him, he looked like a body catcher. Did you not see the same thing in your extensive research?
 
He certainly started off a body catcher, but there were too many instances I saw him catch the ball with his hands. I saw him catch with his hands in situations like 15-yard in routes in traffic where he snatched the football thrown over his head or corner routes where he had to adjust to the ball and used his hands to bring the ball in. I saw him catch balls with his hands when thrown behind him. There were prospects touted much more than Hubbard who couldn't catch a cold on balls thrown in similar situations unless they could somehow trap the ball against their bodies.

He's classified as a track athlete who plays football, but I didn't think that was a fair description based on what I saw out of him. I think 2-3 years from now he has the chance to make his mark.

 
So that '06 class was pretty bad off huh? Only producing like 5 high-end WRs....Holmes, Jennings, Marshall, Hixon, Colston so far. This has to be a big year for the '07 and '08 class to hit even further.

'07 and '08 classes have produced in that 11-13 range so far and it still seems like there's way more to be had in those two classes. This should be a big year to produce some new faces that will be top main stay WRs for years to come. Two good back-to-back WR classes and the latest one is just getting started!

 
So that '06 class was pretty bad off huh? Only producing like 5 high-end WRs....Holmes, Jennings, Marshall, Hixon, Colston so far. This has to be a big year for the '07 and '08 class to hit even further.

'07 and '08 classes have produced in that 11-13 range so far and it still seems like there's way more to be had in those two classes. This should be a big year to produce some new faces that will be top main stay WRs for years to come. Two good back-to-back WR classes and the latest one is just getting started!
That's actually pretty good for high end types. 06 does lack depth, not many "decent" WRs here.If given the option of any WR class to have on my FF team, 06 is probably my choice right now.

 
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who are the big winners/losers of these guys after Free agency?

Bess seems to hold strong since Miami didn't bring anyone in. Too many holes to fix in the draft

All Jets WR's have an opening

Buffalo guys are hurting

Jax has a potential opening for Mike Walker

With San Fran acquiring Brandon Jones, ya kinda have to downgrade Jason Hill possibly?

the Bears didn't find an upgrade, so Earl Bennett looks to have a shot v a rookie

With Holt almost out the door, Avery and Burton look like solid prospects

Oakland is leaving the door open for Schilens and Higgins

Sidney Rice remains a candidate

I like to think that Chad Jackson is a deep sleeper in Denver if Marshall is suspended. He has the most upside out of the other guys besides Royal (Stokley, Gaffney). He should already know the playbook from his time in New England

 
Here's a list of candidates:

Skill and opportunity are there-These are guys I would consider breakout candidates based on their ability to be more than one-dimensional in and offense and they possess at least one very strong aspect to their game that can set them apart.

Jason Hill I have compared him to Isaac Bruce while he was in college. I think Mike Martz saw it too. He raved about him him training camp and Hill has made strides. He's good in traffic and I think he's on the precipice this year or next of becoming a good starter.

Steve SmithStill developing and showing promise. Established himself as a good over the middle guy and frequent target on 3rd down for Manning. He may never have great down field speed, but I think he makes Toomer expendable.

Mike WalkerI love this guy's skills. He has the most ceiling of the three mentioned here, but the knee issues make him a boom bust pick. If you saw him against Pittsburgh when he posted 100 yards on them, you know he can get open in the intermediate range, catches the ball well in traffic, and is fast enough to be a big-play guy and a chain mover. Nothing I hate more than talented wasted to injury...hope that's not the case for him. J-ville thought he might be their best receiver from an all-around perspective even as a rookie.

Skill is there opportunity needed

Jordy NelsonIt will be between him and J. Jones for Driver's spot one day. I think Nelson is an intriguing player who could benefit from having Rodgers throw him the ball. Good size, decent enough speed, and after the catch skills. If Driver or Jennings get hurt, he'll step up.

Jacoby JonesIf he can grow up a bit and work hard, he has the natural skills as a pass catcher and physical skill to be a borderline elite WR

James Jones Flashes some high-end skill, but probably neck and neck with Nelson for playing time.

Keenan Burton I love this guy's potential. Terrific player when healthy. He's an intuitive football player with return specialist vision, and good hands. I think he develops into a quality starter in 2-3 years and surprises people. You can underpay for him most of the time, too.



Potential skills opportunity available to step up

Devin Thomas Terrific athlete with good hands and after the catch skills. Needs work on routes and stuck behind some folks on the depth chart. I would hang onto him or get him in package deals where I can. He should rapidly improve over the next few seasons and good enough to expect him to break out eventually

James Hardy Good hands, but lacks that desire to catch it over the middle at any cost. I think he's a bit overrated and would rather have the last two mentioned over him. A good player to sell, IMO

Malcolm Kelly b]Injuries...and lacks enough speed to be a consistent deep threat, but good hands and body control. I like his skills, but his physical health and speed is worrisome. Better prospect than Thomas out of the gate, but I think Thomas has the better career.

Limas Sweed Top notch physical skills; may never be a great route runner; A solid notch below Thomas athletically, but clutch at catching the ball in college. Worth keeping tabs on.

Earl Bennett I loved his hands and ability to fight for the ball. I'd watch and wait. He's worth a cheap trade if you can land him from an impatient guy, but he's not a guy to have high expectations because he's in Chicago. But I think he has more potential than Marty Booker did coming into the league and that means at least a few solid years, if not more.

Early Doucet Comparable to D. Thomas, but a body catcher. Still, he's in a good situation to be a productive #3 if Boldin bolts

Harry Douglas I love his game, but he may never be more than a #3 WR. Think Terence Mathis - good hands, better after the catch skills than one might think, steady.

Derek Hagan With Toomer likely gone, he has potential, but hasn't been able to hang onto the ball early in his career. Still shows flashes of being what people thought he could be and that's what Toomer was at his best.

Josh Morgan Very athletic, but not consistent. I think a little over-hyped due to good preseason last year...kind of like Jacoby Jones was in '07, but still has a chance to continue to develop. Offense up in the air though.

Long shots worth considering

Paul Hubbard I think he's a sneaky good player with great athleticism and good hands. He needs work on routes, but he is more than a track guy playing football. If he shows an ounce of maturity and work ethic, I think he develops into a fine complement. Cheap option too.

Steve Johnson A sneaky good option who will probably outwork a guy like Hardy and eventually beat him or share time. Good hands. Cheap option worth watching.

Chaz Schilens I think Oak, made a good pick here. Not a stud, but could steadily develop.

Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland

Paul Williams Has the physical skill, but learned last year that he can't get by on it alone. We'll see if he matures this season.

Adarius Bowman OKLAHOMA ST UNDRAFTED[ Canadian League - I think someone will take a chance on him. I rated him pretty high. Big possession type with some build-up speed and after the catch skills and good at adjusting to the ball. If he has matured, a potential steal down the line.

 Jason Avant I think he just keeps getting better, but not likely to ever be more than a quality #3. Reliable hands and good over the middle.

 Mike Hass I just don't trust the Bears to make great personnel decisions at WR or QB and Hass made plays in camp, but didn't get a chance to do much more. Seattle needs receivers, he might get more than a depth chart shot...
Good input, Matt - I was wondering where you would put Miles Austin on this list? I'm thinking maybe in the first group...
 
Here's a list of candidates:

Skill and opportunity are there-These are guys I would consider breakout candidates based on their ability to be more than one-dimensional in and offense and they possess at least one very strong aspect to their game that can set them apart.

Jason Hill I have compared him to Isaac Bruce while he was in college. I think Mike Martz saw it too. He raved about him him training camp and Hill has made strides. He's good in traffic and I think he's on the precipice this year or next of becoming a good starter.

Steve SmithStill developing and showing promise. Established himself as a good over the middle guy and frequent target on 3rd down for Manning. He may never have great down field speed, but I think he makes Toomer expendable.

Mike WalkerI love this guy's skills. He has the most ceiling of the three mentioned here, but the knee issues make him a boom bust pick. If you saw him against Pittsburgh when he posted 100 yards on them, you know he can get open in the intermediate range, catches the ball well in traffic, and is fast enough to be a big-play guy and a chain mover. Nothing I hate more than talented wasted to injury...hope that's not the case for him. J-ville thought he might be their best receiver from an all-around perspective even as a rookie.

Skill is there opportunity needed

Jordy NelsonIt will be between him and J. Jones for Driver's spot one day. I think Nelson is an intriguing player who could benefit from having Rodgers throw him the ball. Good size, decent enough speed, and after the catch skills. If Driver or Jennings get hurt, he'll step up.

Jacoby JonesIf he can grow up a bit and work hard, he has the natural skills as a pass catcher and physical skill to be a borderline elite WR

James Jones Flashes some high-end skill, but probably neck and neck with Nelson for playing time.

Keenan Burton I love this guy's potential. Terrific player when healthy. He's an intuitive football player with return specialist vision, and good hands. I think he develops into a quality starter in 2-3 years and surprises people. You can underpay for him most of the time, too.



Potential skills opportunity available to step up

Devin Thomas Terrific athlete with good hands and after the catch skills. Needs work on routes and stuck behind some folks on the depth chart. I would hang onto him or get him in package deals where I can. He should rapidly improve over the next few seasons and good enough to expect him to break out eventually

James Hardy Good hands, but lacks that desire to catch it over the middle at any cost. I think he's a bit overrated and would rather have the last two mentioned over him. A good player to sell, IMO

Malcolm Kelly b]Injuries...and lacks enough speed to be a consistent deep threat, but good hands and body control. I like his skills, but his physical health and speed is worrisome. Better prospect than Thomas out of the gate, but I think Thomas has the better career.

Limas Sweed Top notch physical skills; may never be a great route runner; A solid notch below Thomas athletically, but clutch at catching the ball in college. Worth keeping tabs on.

Earl Bennett I loved his hands and ability to fight for the ball. I'd watch and wait. He's worth a cheap trade if you can land him from an impatient guy, but he's not a guy to have high expectations because he's in Chicago. But I think he has more potential than Marty Booker did coming into the league and that means at least a few solid years, if not more.

Early Doucet Comparable to D. Thomas, but a body catcher. Still, he's in a good situation to be a productive #3 if Boldin bolts

Harry Douglas I love his game, but he may never be more than a #3 WR. Think Terence Mathis - good hands, better after the catch skills than one might think, steady.

Derek Hagan With Toomer likely gone, he has potential, but hasn't been able to hang onto the ball early in his career. Still shows flashes of being what people thought he could be and that's what Toomer was at his best.

Josh Morgan Very athletic, but not consistent. I think a little over-hyped due to good preseason last year...kind of like Jacoby Jones was in '07, but still has a chance to continue to develop. Offense up in the air though.

Long shots worth considering

Paul Hubbard I think he's a sneaky good player with great athleticism and good hands. He needs work on routes, but he is more than a track guy playing football. If he shows an ounce of maturity and work ethic, I think he develops into a fine complement. Cheap option too.

Steve Johnson A sneaky good option who will probably outwork a guy like Hardy and eventually beat him or share time. Good hands. Cheap option worth watching.

Chaz Schilens I think Oak, made a good pick here. Not a stud, but could steadily develop.

Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland

Paul Williams Has the physical skill, but learned last year that he can't get by on it alone. We'll see if he matures this season.

Adarius Bowman OKLAHOMA ST UNDRAFTED[ Canadian League - I think someone will take a chance on him. I rated him pretty high. Big possession type with some build-up speed and after the catch skills and good at adjusting to the ball. If he has matured, a potential steal down the line.

Jason Avant I think he just keeps getting better, but not likely to ever be more than a quality #3. Reliable hands and good over the middle.

Mike Hass I just don't trust the Bears to make great personnel decisions at WR or QB and Hass made plays in camp, but didn't get a chance to do much more. Seattle needs receivers, he might get more than a depth chart shot...
Good input, Matt - I was wondering where you would put Miles Austin on this list? I'm thinking maybe in the first group...
definitely the first group imo. Austin looks like a fantastic breakout candidate, especially if youre in the camp that feels that Roy Williams is at least a little overrated
 
Here's a list of candidates:

Skill and opportunity are there-These are guys I would consider breakout candidates based on their ability to be more than one-dimensional in and offense and they possess at least one very strong aspect to their game that can set them apart.

Jason Hill I have compared him to Isaac Bruce while he was in college. I think Mike Martz saw it too. He raved about him him training camp and Hill has made strides. He's good in traffic and I think he's on the precipice this year or next of becoming a good starter.

Steve SmithStill developing and showing promise. Established himself as a good over the middle guy and frequent target on 3rd down for Manning. He may never have great down field speed, but I think he makes Toomer expendable.

Mike WalkerI love this guy's skills. He has the most ceiling of the three mentioned here, but the knee issues make him a boom bust pick. If you saw him against Pittsburgh when he posted 100 yards on them, you know he can get open in the intermediate range, catches the ball well in traffic, and is fast enough to be a big-play guy and a chain mover. Nothing I hate more than talented wasted to injury...hope that's not the case for him. J-ville thought he might be their best receiver from an all-around perspective even as a rookie.

Skill is there opportunity needed

Jordy NelsonIt will be between him and J. Jones for Driver's spot one day. I think Nelson is an intriguing player who could benefit from having Rodgers throw him the ball. Good size, decent enough speed, and after the catch skills. If Driver or Jennings get hurt, he'll step up.

Jacoby JonesIf he can grow up a bit and work hard, he has the natural skills as a pass catcher and physical skill to be a borderline elite WR

James Jones Flashes some high-end skill, but probably neck and neck with Nelson for playing time.

Keenan Burton I love this guy's potential. Terrific player when healthy. He's an intuitive football player with return specialist vision, and good hands. I think he develops into a quality starter in 2-3 years and surprises people. You can underpay for him most of the time, too.



Potential skills opportunity available to step up

Devin Thomas Terrific athlete with good hands and after the catch skills. Needs work on routes and stuck behind some folks on the depth chart. I would hang onto him or get him in package deals where I can. He should rapidly improve over the next few seasons and good enough to expect him to break out eventually

James Hardy Good hands, but lacks that desire to catch it over the middle at any cost. I think he's a bit overrated and would rather have the last two mentioned over him. A good player to sell, IMO

Malcolm Kelly b]Injuries...and lacks enough speed to be a consistent deep threat, but good hands and body control. I like his skills, but his physical health and speed is worrisome. Better prospect than Thomas out of the gate, but I think Thomas has the better career.

Limas Sweed Top notch physical skills; may never be a great route runner; A solid notch below Thomas athletically, but clutch at catching the ball in college. Worth keeping tabs on.

Earl Bennett I loved his hands and ability to fight for the ball. I'd watch and wait. He's worth a cheap trade if you can land him from an impatient guy, but he's not a guy to have high expectations because he's in Chicago. But I think he has more potential than Marty Booker did coming into the league and that means at least a few solid years, if not more.

Early Doucet Comparable to D. Thomas, but a body catcher. Still, he's in a good situation to be a productive #3 if Boldin bolts

Harry Douglas I love his game, but he may never be more than a #3 WR. Think Terence Mathis - good hands, better after the catch skills than one might think, steady.

Derek Hagan With Toomer likely gone, he has potential, but hasn't been able to hang onto the ball early in his career. Still shows flashes of being what people thought he could be and that's what Toomer was at his best.

Josh Morgan Very athletic, but not consistent. I think a little over-hyped due to good preseason last year...kind of like Jacoby Jones was in '07, but still has a chance to continue to develop. Offense up in the air though.

Long shots worth considering

Paul Hubbard I think he's a sneaky good player with great athleticism and good hands. He needs work on routes, but he is more than a track guy playing football. If he shows an ounce of maturity and work ethic, I think he develops into a fine complement. Cheap option too.

Steve Johnson A sneaky good option who will probably outwork a guy like Hardy and eventually beat him or share time. Good hands. Cheap option worth watching.

Chaz Schilens I think Oak, made a good pick here. Not a stud, but could steadily develop.

Johnnie Lee Higgins UTEP 3 35(99) Oakland

Paul Williams Has the physical skill, but learned last year that he can't get by on it alone. We'll see if he matures this season.

Adarius Bowman OKLAHOMA ST UNDRAFTED[ Canadian League - I think someone will take a chance on him. I rated him pretty high. Big possession type with some build-up speed and after the catch skills and good at adjusting to the ball. If he has matured, a potential steal down the line.

 Jason Avant I think he just keeps getting better, but not likely to ever be more than a quality #3. Reliable hands and good over the middle.

 Mike Hass I just don't trust the Bears to make great personnel decisions at WR or QB and Hass made plays in camp, but didn't get a chance to do much more. Seattle needs receivers, he might get more than a depth chart shot...
Glad i'm not the only one who had Bowman ranked high. I think I had him like #3.
 
a few comments after the draft:

Mike Walker has some competition breathing down his neck in Thomas and Dillard. 2 different type of guys, but both have games that could translate to the NFL level. Should be interesting battle their, but there may only be 1 decent WR amongst the entire group (including Holt). In fact, Jax has barely had that past few years so my expectations are tapered for the group.

Earl Bennett's value continues to rise to a point it's probably not worth . Bears didn't have any early picks to spend on a WR, and both the guys they got don't pose a threat. Knox will take time at the least and Iglesias may start off in the slot.

Bess and London have some competition. Interesting group there, who knows what the depth chart ends up looking like in Miami.

Seems like Burton and Laurent Robinson will be battling for WR2 duties in St. Louis...both those guys have a little potential

 

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