General Malaise
Footballguy
So third party Elon Musk it is?
I mean....he was born in South Africa, but I guess nothing matters anymore since Trump proved Obama wasn't born in the US. Oh, right....
So third party Elon Musk it is?
I don't know that Biden will be the Dem nominee. But I do think his odds are massively undervalued at this point. Back in 2019, he said he was thinking of running because he believed he was the only Democrat who could defeat Trump. At the time, I thought that was ridiculous. But by Election Day, I had to concede he was right. No way Warren or Bernie or Kamala or Klobuchar could have won that race.
Something similar may happen in 2024. Particularly if it appears Trump will be the nominee, I think Biden will feel compelled to stick around and finish the job. If Trump doesn't run or is in jail or whatever and it looks like DeSantis, then I don't know. But even then, I think there's a good chance he runs because a) dropping out will make his presidency look like a failure a la LBJ, and b) who else is there?
It's clearly folly to try to predict what Trump will do, but if he managed to lose two elections in a row (to Joe Biden, no less) I think even the MAGA die-hards would start to wonder if it might make sense to go with someone elseI don't know that Biden will be the Dem nominee. But I do think his odds are massively undervalued at this point. Back in 2019, he said he was thinking of running because he believed he was the only Democrat who could defeat Trump. At the time, I thought that was ridiculous. But by Election Day, I had to concede he was right. No way Warren or Bernie or Kamala or Klobuchar could have won that race.
Something similar may happen in 2024. Particularly if it appears Trump will be the nominee, I think Biden will feel compelled to stick around and finish the job. If Trump doesn't run or is in jail or whatever and it looks like DeSantis, then I don't know. But even then, I think there's a good chance he runs because a) dropping out will make his presidency look like a failure a la LBJ, and b) who else is there?
While I get that, there’s always the possibility that Biden runs again, wins and Trump runs in 2028. Hell, it just dawned on me that Trump may prefer to lose (while claiming he won) to keep grifting without doing any work. He could run until he can’t.
Typically, incumbent presidents get the nomination for their party. So the question is, will someone actually challenge him in the primary? I think that depends on the things you mentioned and his perceived weakness or strength at the time.Biden seems so beatable in the primary. Democratic voters are certainly looking for an alternative. The only way I could see Biden winning the nomination is if the Fed sticks the landing, inflation is back to normal and the economy is booming. Even then, I’m skeptical.
What about the principle that no man is above the law? Or that democracy is good?
Because whatever you may think of fiscal policy or social issues, those are the only two issues on the ballot until Trump has left. It doesn't matter what any of us think of taxes or NATO or trade policy or gay marriage or CRT or literally anything else if we don't have the ability to shape our government based on our collective preferences.
A puppet needs no brain.I 100% promise Biden won't run in 2024
He simply isn't mentally capable
I think he runs in 2024. If he waits out 2024 in hopes of a 2028 run, the backlash against another 4 years of Trump will guarantee a democrat wins in 2028.I’ll take any bet (within reason) that DeSantis does not run against trump in the primary.
I don’t know how anyone could look at 2022 and conclude anything other than Trump owns the GOP. If he is healthy, he runs unopposed.
Truly hope you are right BR. As you know, I can’t stand either one (Trump or Biden) for different reasons.Trump ain't going to be the GOP nominee. Lots of you have to convince yourself of that because Biden is so bad, but it ain't going to be him no matter how much you need or want him to be.
DeSantis, most likely. He's got my vote so far, but the GOP field hasn't been really formed yet so we'll see if he can hold on to it.
Other than Kamala or AOC (who has nearly zero chance in a national election) I’d be fine with any of those over Biden.I would like to see someone else end up as the Dem candidate. But, I think if Biden can still run then he will.
I believe he will win again if it's against Trump. If it's against DeSantis, sadly I think Biden would lose.
Here are some of the options we have if Biden steps aside (in no particular order):
- Kamala Harris
- Pete Buttigieg
- Amy Klobuchar
- Bernie Sanders
- Gavin Newsome
- Gretchen Whitmer
- Roy Cooper
- Elizabeth Warren
- AOC
- Cory Booker
- Andy Beshear
I can’t see a scenario where Trump wins the R nomination.
He has only himself to blame. He can’t just bully his way to the presidency either: I’m pretty confident the majority don’t want that. There is always a lawyer that will take his case, but it’s a tired exercise that accomplishes nothing.I can’t see a scenario where Trump wins the R nomination.
I can’t help but wonder how his supporters would react to him losing again. Trump won’t go down easy. He’ll attack and claim fraud. It would be ugly. Will his supporters get past that and vote for the nominee? I’m not so sure. A lot will stay home on Election Day.
The only one that's palatable from that list is Pete. (Except maybe Beshear - I don't even know who he is.)I would like to see someone else end up as the Dem candidate. But, I think if Biden can still run then he will.
I believe he will win again if it's against Trump. If it's against DeSantis, sadly I think Biden would lose.
Here are some of the options we have if Biden steps aside (in no particular order):
- Kamala Harris
- Pete Buttigieg
- Amy Klobuchar
- Bernie Sanders
- Gavin Newsome
- Gretchen Whitmer
- Roy Cooper
- Elizabeth Warren
- AOC
- Cory Booker
- Andy Beshear
The only one that's palatable from that list is Pete. (Except maybe Beshear - I don't even know who he is.)I would like to see someone else end up as the Dem candidate. But, I think if Biden can still run then he will.
I believe he will win again if it's against Trump. If it's against DeSantis, sadly I think Biden would lose.
Here are some of the options we have if Biden steps aside (in no particular order):
- Kamala Harris
- Pete Buttigieg
- Amy Klobuchar
- Bernie Sanders
- Gavin Newsome
- Gretchen Whitmer
- Roy Cooper
- Elizabeth Warren
- AOC
- Cory Booker
- Andy Beshear
Well, he won the last two and is still adored by most of his previous supporters. It isn’t exactly a big stretch.I can’t see a scenario where Trump wins the R nomination.
I’ll take any bet (within reason) that DeSantis does not run against trump in the primary.
I don’t know how anyone could look at 2022 and conclude anything other than Trump owns the GOP. If he is healthy, he runs unopposed.
In.I’ll take any bet (within reason) that DeSantis does not run against trump in the primary.
I don’t know how anyone could look at 2022 and conclude anything other than Trump owns the GOP. If he is healthy, he runs unopposed.
I'll throw a hundy on this. Call it a push if Trump doesn't run (since the bet is whether DeSantis would run against Trump)?
I thought the only read concern was his wife’s health, isn’t she sick?I'm surprised at the number of people saying they don't think DeSantis will run. DeSantis is absolutely running. Public opinion is fickle. You don't just set it aside for 4 years while you're popular in your party and have a good chance of becoming president, and hope that it will still be the same 4 years later. He already takes some pot shots at Trump. He's positioned himself well as the guy that will fulfill all the MAGA crowds wet dreams of pwning the libs, but without the part where he'd burn his own country and everyone close to him to the ground to make his own life a tiny bit easier.
Totally agree. Biden if he won will starting a new term at 82 years old?I don’t think Biden will run.
He has only himself to blame. He can’t just bully his way to the presidency either: I’m pretty confident the majority don’t want that. There is always a lawyer that will take his case, but it’s a tired exercise that accomplishes nothing.
Yeah America is famous for not having very many lawyers.He has only himself to blame. He can’t just bully his way to the presidency either: I’m pretty confident the majority don’t want that. There is always a lawyer that will take his case, but it’s a tired exercise that accomplishes nothing.
They seem to keep getting disbarred, though. At some point the supply may run out.
Both of these old farts need to retire.
They say people get the leaders they deserve. Of course they say a lot of things.We need some more political parties, Trump v Biden really leaves no one with any sane choice. I mean, we can’t do any better as a nation than a pair of 80 year olds?
This country has a weird history of electing dead people and celebrities. That could be the national slogan for 2024.They say people get the leaders they deserve. Of course they say a lot of things.We need some more political parties, Trump v Biden really leaves no one with any sane choice. I mean, we can’t do any better as a nation than a pair of 80 year olds?
Joe Biden would be proof of that. I'm not convinced this isn't a Weekend at Biden's situation we have going on here in this term. It certainly feels like someone else is running the show and just pushing Biden out every now and then to make it look legit.This country has a weird history of electing dead people and celebrities. That could be the national slogan for 2024.They say people get the leaders they deserve. Of course they say a lot of things.We need some more political parties, Trump v Biden really leaves no one with any sane choice. I mean, we can’t do any better as a nation than a pair of 80 year olds?
His mouth seems to move. But they could have their hands in his back for all we know.Joe Biden would be proof of that. I'm not convinced this isn't a Weekend at Biden's situation we have going on here in this term. It certainly feels like someone else is running the show and just pushing Biden out every now and then to make it look legit.This country has a weird history of electing dead people and celebrities. That could be the national slogan for 2024.They say people get the leaders they deserve. Of course they say a lot of things.We need some more political parties, Trump v Biden really leaves no one with any sane choice. I mean, we can’t do any better as a nation than a pair of 80 year olds?