Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[fatness]

Report from last night, the first night since the change in policing.

Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 5h

We've had a few small isolated incidents tonight. Nothing you wouldn't expect at a parade or a festival. Dealt with them and moved on.

 

[fatness]

Different policing.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Again - Ferguson City Council - 5 whites, 1 black. White mayor.

http://www.fergusoncity.com/171/Council-Members

In a 70% black city.

How does this happen?

Voting?

 

[Slapdash]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.

Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

Mitchell also said she only saw one officer involved in the incident, and described him as a "white male, kind of tall, not too big."

Mitchell said she received no pressure to change her story from detectives who on the case, but said the cops that arrived at the scene "were very rude" to bystanders and "didn't want to tell" the public what had happened.

"They showed no kind of remorse for what happened to the kid at all," she said.

Mitchell's attorney said she gave a statement to the St. Louis County detectives right after the incident.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/tiffany-mitchell-michael-brown_n_5677003.html

She sounds like a credible witness, why does she need an attorney?

Is this a serious question?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

did they release a name of the cop yet? was it the same guy anonymous posted?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

Every jurisdiction of which I know has an investigative privilege against turning over reports in active investigations. It is only at the point that charges are brought, or the case is no filed that the report becomes fixed and then discoverable or subject to open records or criminal justice records request. Were it otherwise criminals, and criminal enterprises could discover what the cops are doing in investigating them and they could destroy evidence or flee.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Different policing.

Kind of weird to see people walking down the street and not getting tear-gassed. We're slipping.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Due process. Justice in this country takes time. I keep seeing reports demanding the name of the officers involved in the shooting. Since when does the media dictate our judicial timeline? I have no doubt that this will be handled in due time. Some of these people are just stupid enough to harm family members of the officers involved.

Also, could the police want to control media coverage to avoid sensationalizing the guys throwing molotov cocktails, etc? Every time there is a mass shooting, posters here complain that media coverage sensationalizing the incident and fueling the desire of the next guy to "go out in a blaze of glory"

It's not a media question or even a judicial question. There are state laws called Sunshine Laws governing disclosure of government records. I'm not an expert in the topic and certainly not on MIssouri's law so I don't know if the police can legitimately claim an exception to the general rule that mandates release. But that's the source of the tension, not a "judicial timeline." And frankly, even if they can claim an exception they're doing themselves no favors by shielding the info. They don't have dashboard cameras, they're evicting the press- clearly they have a problem with transparency. They're already inciting the people with their actions, so that ship has sailed.

When there is an ongoing investigation...The sunshine law in regards to public records does not apply until said investigation is complete....my understanding....

That doesn't sound right to me- I don't know if you're wrong but I've seen several articles about the ACLU and others filing requests for the report and no mention of that provision. It may be there but if so I feel like I would have seen it mentioned.

Not that it really matters at this point. We're well past the point where the police should be transparent because the law requires it. They should be transparent because what they've completely lost the trust of the people and they've needlessly escalated the conflict at every turn.

Yeah I'd like confirmation, but again I don't think an internal investigation of an employee is open to public records.

personnel investigations by employers are generally not subject to open records requests. Individuals have constitutionally protected privacy interests. As to police officers the rule is somewhat different. Generally reports on them are produced in camera to a court to decide whether the report is relevant to either a criminal defendant or a civil litigant exercising their civil and constitutional rights. For just general media or public scrutiny or curiosity courts have to balance the publics general right to know with an institution's interest in doing self evaluation. If reports are discoverable one way to avoid that is to not do investigations or to write reports. The courts want to avoid that situation. In the present matter the reports will all come out in due time.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Jonathan Allen ‏@jonallendc 18m

Bloomberg: Missouri Gov. Nixon to announce St. Louis County police being taken out of situation. per Rep. Clay (D-Mo.). #Ferguson

Good to hear. Hopefully the National Guard show more constraint.

Lets demilitarize the situation by bringing in the military.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

 

[Todd Andrews]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If accept we the above witness account is accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

 

[Todd Andrews]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

Well, your post read like an apology for the cop shooter. It sounded like this: "well, the cop shouldnt have shot him all those times later after he ran, but you shouldnt wrestle with cops, so I guess it is ok he shot him in the first place. He just got a little carried away."

If you dont want to sound like a defender of the unarmed killing of this kid, you may want to incorporate all of the eyewitness reports before saying simplistic things like "then we have Brown wrestling with the cop". You sound like you work for the Ferguson PD.

 

[KCitons]

Isn't the eyewitness accounts different? Referring back to the Tony Stewart situation, there were hundreds of eyewitness at the race track and video of what happened, yet we have no clear answers. Would Browns friend tell the truth if Brown really reached for the cops gun?

The autopsy won't lie. Unless the coroner is the police chief's brother-in-law.

 

[kentric]

Just read that the Highway Patrol is taking over. So now it's Super Troopers.

Prefered Starship Troopers.

Good movie. Is society heading that way you think?

Only if we get invaded by giant praying mantis'/cockroaches.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Isn't the eyewitness accounts different? Referring back to the Tony Stewart situation, there were hundreds of eyewitness at the race track and video of what happened, yet we have no clear answers. Would Browns friend tell the truth if Brown really reached for the cops gun?

The autopsy won't lie. Unless the coroner is the police chief's brother-in-law.

The non-cop eyewitness accounts are all pretty much the same from the points where they coincide chronologically.

The autopsy wont tell us if the kid reached for the gun, but every non-cop eyewitness says that Brown was pulling away from the cop while the cop pulled him into the car window, so it doesnt sound like the kid was leaning into the car window trying to reach for the gun. Unless the cop's report is really that once he said "I will shoot" and pulled the gun and lifted to point it out the car window at Brown from a foot away that Brown tried to reach for it. But that sounds very self serving and if that happened Brown could have been trying to knock it away or something, if he reached out toward the cop at all, which the eyewitnesses say he did not.

 

[Wooderson]

Again - Ferguson City Council - 5 whites, 1 black. White mayor.

http://www.fergusoncity.com/171/Council-Members

In a 70% black city.

How does this happen?

Voting?

Same way a black president was elected.

I've seen interviews of people saying its a disgrace and that there is not more blacks in leadership roles in the city. Are people suppose to vote only for the same race they are?

 

[[icon]]

Different policing.

That guy gets it. Serve and Protect.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

Well, your post read like an apology for the cop shooter. It sounded like this: "well, the cop shouldnt have shot him all those times later after he ran, but you shouldnt wrestle with cops, so I guess it is ok he shot him in the first place. He just got a little carried away."

If you dont want to sound like a defender of the unarmed killing of this kid, you may want to incorporate all of the eyewitness reports before saying simplistic things like "then we have Brown wrestling with the cop". You sound like you work for the Ferguson PD.

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

 

[Christo]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

Mitchell also said she only saw one officer involved in the incident, and described him as a "white male, kind of tall, not too big."

Mitchell said she received no pressure to change her story from detectives who on the case, but said the cops that arrived at the scene "were very rude" to bystanders and "didn't want to tell" the public what had happened.

"They showed no kind of remorse for what happened to the kid at all," she said.

Mitchell's attorney said she gave a statement to the St. Louis County detectives right after the incident.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/tiffany-mitchell-michael-brown_n_5677003.html

She sounds like a credible witness, why does she need an attorney?

 

[Todd Andrews]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

Well, your post read like an apology for the cop shooter. It sounded like this: "well, the cop shouldnt have shot him all those times later after he ran, but you shouldnt wrestle with cops, so I guess it is ok he shot him in the first place. He just got a little carried away."

If you dont want to sound like a defender of the unarmed killing of this kid, you may want to incorporate all of the eyewitness reports before saying simplistic things like "then we have Brown wrestling with the cop". You sound like you work for the Ferguson PD.

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

 

[KCitons]

Isn't the eyewitness accounts different? Referring back to the Tony Stewart situation, there were hundreds of eyewitness at the race track and video of what happened, yet we have no clear answers. Would Browns friend tell the truth if Brown really reached for the cops gun?

The autopsy won't lie. Unless the coroner is the police chief's brother-in-law.

The non-cop eyewitness accounts are all pretty much the same from the points where they coincide chronologically.

The autopsy wont tell us if the kid reached for the gun, but every non-cop eyewitness says that Brown was pulling away from the cop while the cop pulled him into the car window, so it doesnt sound like the kid was leaning into the car window trying to reach for the gun. Unless the cop's report is really that once he said "I will shoot" and pulled the gun and lifted to point it out the car window at Brown from a foot away that Brown tried to reach for it. But that sounds very self serving and if that happened Brown could have been trying to knock it away or something, if he reached out toward the cop at all, which the eyewitnesses say he did not.

The autopsy will tell us how many bullets hit Brown, how many hit him in the front or back. For me, this is more important than eyewitness accounts. Shooting someone multiple times in the back (even if he reached for your gun) is not justifiable.

 

[KCitons]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

Well, your post read like an apology for the cop shooter. It sounded like this: "well, the cop shouldnt have shot him all those times later after he ran, but you shouldnt wrestle with cops, so I guess it is ok he shot him in the first place. He just got a little carried away."

If you dont want to sound like a defender of the unarmed killing of this kid, you may want to incorporate all of the eyewitness reports before saying simplistic things like "then we have Brown wrestling with the cop". You sound like you work for the Ferguson PD.

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Listen, this is my last response to this stupid back-and-forth. I couldn't be more clear:

If we accept the witness report that Fatness supplied as true, wrestling with a police officer and then running away from the officer is an ill-advised decision.

It doesn't make the officer's subsequent actions correct or legal, but that would be a poor decision by Brown if the witness is accurate.

 

[Henry Ford]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.

Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

Well, your post read like an apology for the cop shooter. It sounded like this: "well, the cop shouldnt have shot him all those times later after he ran, but you shouldnt wrestle with cops, so I guess it is ok he shot him in the first place. He just got a little carried away."

If you dont want to sound like a defender of the unarmed killing of this kid, you may want to incorporate all of the eyewitness reports before saying simplistic things like "then we have Brown wrestling with the cop". You sound like you work for the Ferguson PD.

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Listen, this is my last response to this stupid back-and-forth. I couldn't be more clear:If we accept the witness report that Fatness supplied as true, wrestling with a police officer and then running away from the officer is an ill-advised decision.

It doesn't make the officer's subsequent actions correct or legal, but that would be a poor decision by Brown if the witness is accurate.

He ran away after he'd been shot. And the wrestling isn't inconsistent with having been grabbed by the throat and pulled into the car.

Sounds like big bad officer's move to kick the door open bounced back and embarrassed him or he thought the kid kicked the door back closed on purpose.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Isn't the eyewitness accounts different? Referring back to the Tony Stewart situation, there were hundreds of eyewitness at the race track and video of what happened, yet we have no clear answers. Would Browns friend tell the truth if Brown really reached for the cops gun?

The autopsy won't lie. Unless the coroner is the police chief's brother-in-law.

The non-cop eyewitness accounts are all pretty much the same from the points where they coincide chronologically.

The autopsy wont tell us if the kid reached for the gun, but every non-cop eyewitness says that Brown was pulling away from the cop while the cop pulled him into the car window, so it doesnt sound like the kid was leaning into the car window trying to reach for the gun. Unless the cop's report is really that once he said "I will shoot" and pulled the gun and lifted to point it out the car window at Brown from a foot away that Brown tried to reach for it. But that sounds very self serving and if that happened Brown could have been trying to knock it away or something, if he reached out toward the cop at all, which the eyewitnesses say he did not.

The autopsy will tell us how many bullets hit Brown, how many hit him in the front or back. For me, this is more important than eyewitness accounts. Shooting someone multiple times in the back (even if he reached for your gun) is not justifiable.

The eyewitness accounts say Brown was shot once in the back at a distance (the second time he was shot) and then turned around and was shot a number of times after he put his hands up. You are correct the autopsy will tell us more. The family has the body and is doing an independent autopsy now.

 

[Todd Andrews]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

Well, your post read like an apology for the cop shooter. It sounded like this: "well, the cop shouldnt have shot him all those times later after he ran, but you shouldnt wrestle with cops, so I guess it is ok he shot him in the first place. He just got a little carried away."

If you dont want to sound like a defender of the unarmed killing of this kid, you may want to incorporate all of the eyewitness reports before saying simplistic things like "then we have Brown wrestling with the cop". You sound like you work for the Ferguson PD.

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Listen, this is my last response to this stupid back-and-forth. I couldn't be more clear:

If we accept the witness report that Fatness supplied as true, wrestling with a police officer and then running away from the officer is an ill-advised decision.

It doesn't make the officer's subsequent actions correct or legal, but that would be a poor decision by Brown if the witness is accurate.

Did any of that make the officer's initial actions correct or legal?

 

[Todd Andrews]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

 

[kentric]

Someone brought this subject up the other day about whether anyone in Congress would have the cajones to propose limiting military equipment to police. Seems Democratic Rep Hank Johnson has.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/08/ferguson-protests-rep-hank-johnson-proposes-bill-limiting-military-equipment-for-cops-106090.html

 

[Christo]

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way," Mitchell said.


Mitchell then described what she saw happen between Brown and the police officer.

"As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting," Mitchell said. "And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete."

Mitchell clarified she heard a shot after she saw Brown trying to pull away from the cop, and said even after Brown turned to face the cop and put his hands in the air, "the cop continued to come up on him and shoot him until he fell down to the ground." She said she counted "more than about five or six shots."

When are the autsopy results to be released?

Even if we accept the story most beneficial to the officer that he was attacked and acted in self defense, wouldn't five to six bullet wounds suggest grossly excessive force? How many shots does it take to subdue an unarmed man even if the officer felt that shots were necessary to protect his life? Maybe two at most. Anything over that would suggest to me that the officer was acting more on adrenaline and/or vengeance than proper policing to subdue.

If we accept the above witness account as accurate, though, then we have Brown wrestling with the officer in the police car and then running away. It's been noted in the Tony Stewart-Kevin Ward thread that no good comes from getting out of your car and confronting other cars on a track. You place yourself in peril. Similarly, no good comes from wrestling with and then running from police officers (unless you escape ). You place yourself in peril. I'm not excusing the officer's actions which seem excessive and chargeable if the witness accounts are correct or if the corpse has five to six bullet wounds, but there are often unfortunate consequences to ill-advised decisions.

You arent paying attention to all of the eyewitness reports--Brown wasnt "wrestling with the officer":

the police officer yelled at the two young men to "get the f out of the street" as he passed them in his vehicle

they replied that they were almost where they were going

he backed up his vehicle until he was right next to the two young men

the officer opened his door which hit Brown and bounced back shut

the officer reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat

as Brown pulled away the officer grabbed his shirt and held on and began saying "I will shoot"

as Brown continued trying to pull away from the officer holding his shirt

the officer lifted his other hand and fired a round into Brown's body at point blank range

as injured Brown ran from the officer the officer got out of his car

the officer then shot Brown in the back from a distance

Brown, shot twice now, turned around and raised his arms and said "I dont have a gun, dont shoot"

the officer then fired a number of rounds into him from a distance

The other eyewitness accounts all support this eyewitness account from the other young man with Brown. Only the officer is saying that Brown reached for his gun, when all other accounts say Brown was trying to pull away from an aggressive officer who had grabbed him by the throat/shirt.

I'm paying attention to the other witness reports, but my post is in response to the witness report that Fatness supplied.

Well, your post read like an apology for the cop shooter. It sounded like this: "well, the cop shouldnt have shot him all those times later after he ran, but you shouldnt wrestle with cops, so I guess it is ok he shot him in the first place. He just got a little carried away."

If you dont want to sound like a defender of the unarmed killing of this kid, you may want to incorporate all of the eyewitness reports before saying simplistic things like "then we have Brown wrestling with the cop". You sound like you work for the Ferguson PD.

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Listen, this is my last response to this stupid back-and-forth. I couldn't be more clear:

If we accept the witness report that Fatness supplied as true, wrestling with a police officer and then running away from the officer is an ill-advised decision.

It doesn't make the officer's subsequent actions correct or legal, but that would be a poor decision by Brown if the witness is accurate.

Did any of that make the officer's initial actions correct or legal?

His initial "action" was to tell them to get out of the street. The other guy admitted they were walking down the middle of the street. So that "action" would seem to be correct and legal. His next action was to try to get out of his car when they didn't didn't get out of the street. That would also seem to be correct and legal. From there it gets murky. Did he open the door into them or did they try to keep him from opening the door? Unless there is video we will probably never know the truth. If they did block his door and he felt he was being physically threatened it may very well have been correct and legal for him to grab one of them.

 

[KCitons]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

Yes. That was pretty clear instructions. Instead of just complying with the request, Brown and his friend chose to challenge it. Henry Ford already made reference to the car door. Maybe it was accidental, but the cop may have thought Brown closed the door.

Had Brown stepped back, put his hands in the air at that time, there may not have been any shooting. It's only after Brown is shot, runs away, is shot again, that he finally complies.

Why wasn't Brown's friend shot?

 

[urbanhack]

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew 2m
Darren Wilson named as officer in Michael Brown shooting.

 

[Henry Ford]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

Yes. That was pretty clear instructions. Instead of just complying with the request, Brown and his friend chose to challenge it. Henry Ford already made reference to the car door. Maybe it was accidental, but the cop may have thought Brown closed the door.

Had Brown stepped back, put his hands in the air at that time, there may not have been any shooting. It's only after Brown is shot, runs away, is shot again, that he finally complies.

Why wasn't Brown's friend shot?

This is my guess, and has been for awhile, but of course we won't know until there's a decent investigation. Thought the kid was keeping him in his car, so he grabbed the kid. And then it escalated. And I still think the officer was in the wrong, but I understand how it can happen.

However, the moment he shot the kid and the kid started running, this thing was over. You radio in the shot, chase after the kid, whatever, but you don't shoot him in the back and then pump several more rounds into him.

 

[jamny]

Police Chief just had a press conference (no questions) that didn't help things. He named the cop but gave little other info. People on the scene seem pretty pissed.

 

[KCitons]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

Yes. That was pretty clear instructions. Instead of just complying with the request, Brown and his friend chose to challenge it. Henry Ford already made reference to the car door. Maybe it was accidental, but the cop may have thought Brown closed the door.

Had Brown stepped back, put his hands in the air at that time, there may not have been any shooting. It's only after Brown is shot, runs away, is shot again, that he finally complies.

Why wasn't Brown's friend shot?

This is my guess, and has been for awhile, but of course we won't know until there's a decent investigation. Thought the kid was keeping him in his car, so he grabbed the kid. And then it escalated. And I still think the officer was in the wrong, but I understand how it can happen.

However, the moment he shot the kid and the kid started running, this thing was over. You radio in the shot, chase after the kid, whatever, but you don't shoot him in the back and then pump several more rounds into him.

I agree 100%.

 

[lod01]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

Yes. That was pretty clear instructions. Instead of just complying with the request, Brown and his friend chose to challenge it. Henry Ford already made reference to the car door. Maybe it was accidental, but the cop may have thought Brown closed the door.

Had Brown stepped back, put his hands in the air at that time, there may not have been any shooting. It's only after Brown is shot, runs away, is shot again, that he finally complies.

Why wasn't Brown's friend shot?

Really don't know how anyone can argue this: I've seen idiots walking right down the middle of the road AND not even getting over when a car is coming at them. What is running along side the road? A ####### side walk that you should be using. Some people however are just way too stupid.

Now as far as this case is concerned, that part really doesn't matter when you shoot someone in the back. Just like the Tony Stewart case, where both involved were idiots, the same applies here and the outcome is the same. One idiot dead the other idiot's life is changed forever.

I'd also like to know why the other kid was not shot at. Seems very odd. He was right there too.

 

[Henry Ford]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

Yes. That was pretty clear instructions. Instead of just complying with the request, Brown and his friend chose to challenge it. Henry Ford already made reference to the car door. Maybe it was accidental, but the cop may have thought Brown closed the door.

Had Brown stepped back, put his hands in the air at that time, there may not have been any shooting. It's only after Brown is shot, runs away, is shot again, that he finally complies.

Why wasn't Brown's friend shot?

Really don't know how anyone can argue this: I've seen idiots walking right down the middle of the road AND not even getting over when a car is coming at them. What is running along side the road? A ####### side walk that you should be using. Some people however are just way too stupid.

Now as far as this case is concerned, that part really doesn't matter when you shoot someone in the back. Just like the Tony Stewart case, where both involved were idiots, the same applies here and the outcome is the same. One idiot dead the other idiot's life is changed forever.

I'd also like to know why the other kid was not shot at. Seems very odd. He was right there too.

Because the car door didn't hit him.

 

[jamny]

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew 2m
Darren Wilson named as officer in Michael Brown shooting.

Is that the name that Anon posted yesterday or did they just cause someone else all kinds of headaches?

 

[lod01]

So you are walking down the street (when you should be on the sidewalk) and a cop pulls up along side of you and say to get on the sidewalk. Do you:

A. Keep walking while saying something to the cop.

B. Say 'yes sir' (since you are an idiot in the first place for walking where cars drive).

Hint: The kid chose A and is now dead.

 

[KCitons]

Now as far as this case is concerned, that part really doesn't matter when you shoot someone in the back. Just like the Tony Stewart case, where both involved were idiots, the same applies here and the outcome is the same. One idiot dead the other idiot's life is changed forever.

I'd also like to know why the other kid was not shot at. Seems very odd. He was right there too.

I disagree with the bolded. One may have been an idiot, the other is suppose to have the training to handle a situation like this. Shooting someone in the back is something a housewife does to a cheating husband. Not something a trained cop does.

 

[Henry Ford]

So you are walking down the street (when you should be on the sidewalk) and a cop pulls up along side of you and say to get on the sidewalk. Do you:

A. Keep walking while saying something to the cop.

B. Say 'yes sir' (since you are an idiot in the first place for walking where cars drive).

Hint: The kid chose A and is now dead.

Depends. If I'm three houses from where I live, I keep walking, point, and say "I'm walking to that house right there. Sorry if I was in your way."

 

[kentric]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

Yes. That was pretty clear instructions. Instead of just complying with the request, Brown and his friend chose to challenge it. Henry Ford already made reference to the car door. Maybe it was accidental, but the cop may have thought Brown closed the door.

Had Brown stepped back, put his hands in the air at that time, there may not have been any shooting. It's only after Brown is shot, runs away, is shot again, that he finally complies.

Why wasn't Brown's friend shot?

Really don't know how anyone can argue this: I've seen idiots walking right down the middle of the road AND not even getting over when a car is coming at them. What is running along side the road? A ####### side walk that you should be using. Some people however are just way too stupid.

Now as far as this case is concerned, that part really doesn't matter when you shoot someone in the back. Just like the Tony Stewart case, where both involved were idiots, the same applies here and the outcome is the same. One idiot dead the other idiot's life is changed forever.

I'd also like to know why the other kid was not shot at. Seems very odd. He was right there too.

I'm not sure why there is such an emphasis on the other kid. Perhaps the other kid stepped back when the police was wrestling/holding Brown and wasn't involved in the affair at all. Likely the cop didn't consider him a threat. Maybe the kid ran away to hide when the first shot was fired. Perhaps he fell to the ground and put his hands out in a non-threatening manner.

 

[lod01]

Now as far as this case is concerned, that part really doesn't matter when you shoot someone in the back. Just like the Tony Stewart case, where both involved were idiots, the same applies here and the outcome is the same. One idiot dead the other idiot's life is changed forever.

I'd also like to know why the other kid was not shot at. Seems very odd. He was right there too.

I disagree with the bolded. One may have been an idiot, the other is suppose to have the training to handle a situation like this. Shooting someone in the back is something a housewife does to a cheating husband. Not something a trained cop does.

That's why they are both idiots. Kid is an idiot for walking down the middle of the road AND not leaving the road when a cop tells him to.

Cop is an idiot for shooting a kid in the back, and then continuing to shoot him until he's dead.

 

[Quez]

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew 2m

Darren Wilson named as officer in Michael Brown shooting.

Is that the name that Anon posted yesterday or did they just cause someone else all kinds of headaches?

Anonymous got it wrong. This is a different name. I haven't seen a picture yet but I am sure this name will be in top of google in no time.

 

[lod01]

So you are walking down the street (when you should be on the sidewalk) and a cop pulls up along side of you and say to get on the sidewalk. Do you:

A. Keep walking while saying something to the cop.

B. Say 'yes sir' (since you are an idiot in the first place for walking where cars drive).

Hint: The kid chose A and is now dead.

Depends. If I'm three houses from where I live, I keep walking, point, and say "I'm walking to that house right there. Sorry if I was in your way."

Well, in this case you would apparently be dead. Sorry, but your answer is flat out wrong and as dumb as one could be. You are on a road buddy. In reality, someone could come from behind and flat out run you over and it won't be their fault.

 

[KCitons]

Still waiting on the picture of Darren Wilson. This could get very interesting.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Public speaking isn't one of the chief's strong suits

 

[BigJohn]

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew 2m

Darren Wilson named as officer in Michael Brown shooting.

Is that the name that Anon posted yesterday or did they just cause someone else all kinds of headaches?

Anonymous got it wrong. This is a different name. I haven't seen a picture yet but I am sure this name will be in top of google in no time.

So, when does this get addressed? This is not the first time they have been completely wrong in this type of situation, right?

 

[roadkill1292]

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew 2m

Darren Wilson named as officer in Michael Brown shooting.

Is that the name that Anon posted yesterday or did they just cause someone else all kinds of headaches?

Anonymous got it wrong. This is a different name. I haven't seen a picture yet but I am sure this name will be in top of google in no time.

If they're gonna assume this role of vigilante that they seem to want to, I expect better and I'd like an apology for this.

 

[fatness]

A conclusion that that the officer likely used grossly excessive force and should be charged sounds like an apology to you? Interesting take.

What ill-advised decisions did Brown appear to make?

Failure to follow the instructions of a Police Officer to start with. Second was resisting arrest.

Really? Which instructions? To get out of the street? And when was he resisting arrest in the chronology based on the eyewitness accounts? When he was grabbed by the throat or shot point blank a few seconds later?

Yes. That was pretty clear instructions. Instead of just complying with the request, Brown and his friend chose to challenge it. Henry Ford already made reference to the car door. Maybe it was accidental, but the cop may have thought Brown closed the door.

Had Brown stepped back, put his hands in the air at that time, there may not have been any shooting. It's only after Brown is shot, runs away, is shot again, that he finally complies.

Why wasn't Brown's friend shot?

Really don't know how anyone can argue this: I've seen idiots walking right down the middle of the road AND not even getting over when a car is coming at them. What is running along side the road? A ####### side walk that you should be using. Some people however are just way too stupid.

Now as far as this case is concerned, that part really doesn't matter when you shoot someone in the back. Just like the Tony Stewart case, where both involved were idiots, the same applies here and the outcome is the same. One idiot dead the other idiot's life is changed forever.

I'd also like to know why the other kid was not shot at. Seems very odd. He was right there too.

Because the car door didn't hit him.

And because the cop didn't grab him while he grabbed the other guy.

And because the cop didn't shoot at him while he was holding the other guy or shooting the other guy.

And because when he ran, the other kid hid behind a car.