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[Ghost Rider]

People are angry. I understand why.

I do, too, but yelling at and spitting on fans who are just going to see a football game is not the best way to handle it. I get that tensions are high, but there are better and more peaceful ways to get yourself heard.

 

[fantasycurse42]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Racist!!

 

[walnutz]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

And this would be why i don't take my kids down to the games right now. Too much tension and craziness.

 

[timschochet]

A few days back, I wrote what I thought may have happened and what the just punishment should be.

But the protestors represent a different, and just as troubling (or even more troubling concern.) Let's be clear: they are NOT protesting the death of Michael Brown as a stand-alone incident. Rather they see it as representative of the way white policeman treat young black males. Brown is to the protestors simply the tip of the iceberg, and that's why their response will never be anything but emotional. They want Darren Wilson indicted, charged, and sent to jail. If someone like me were to offer my opinion as I did earlier why this it is probably not just to send Wilson to prison, the protestors would likely not listen. They would group me in with the "racists" (which includes, for many of them, anyone who does not take the view that Wilson is guilty of murder.)

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

 

[fantasycurse42]

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

Watching these videos, I am puzzled why...

 

[Jim11]

A few days back, I wrote what I thought may have happened and what the just punishment should be.

But the protestors represent a different, and just as troubling (or even more troubling concern.) Let's be clear: they are NOT protesting the death of Michael Brown as a stand-alone incident. Rather they see it as representative of the way white policeman treat young black males. Brown is to the protestors simply the tip of the iceberg, and that's why their response will never be anything but emotional. They want Darren Wilson indicted, charged, and sent to jail. If someone like me were to offer my opinion as I did earlier why this it is probably not just to send Wilson to prison, the protestors would likely not listen. They would group me in with the "racists" (which includes, for many of them, anyone who does not take the view that Wilson is guilty of murder.)

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

And yet, the black people I work with don't claim to have suffered indignities at the hands of white policemen(or any other policemen)...this may possibly be because they aren't criminals.

 

[GrandpaRox]

People are angry. I understand why.

I do, too, but yelling at and spitting on fans who are just going to see a football game is not the best way to handle it. I get that tensions are high, but there are better and more peaceful ways to get yourself heard.

What do you expect from those people. About par for the course. They don't know any other way, that is their way.

 

[mcintyre1]

People are angry. I understand why.

I do, too, but yelling at and spitting on fans who are just going to see a football game is not the best way to handle it. I get that tensions are high, but there are better and more peaceful ways to get yourself heard.

What do you expect from those people. About par for the course. They don't know any other way, that is their way.

Really? Couldn't be more of a caricature.

Edit: Your screen name is also pretty fitting, 'pops.

 

[mcintyre1]

Officer Wilson's Grand Jury testimony.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html

The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

He could be conveniently leaving out that he drew the gun and aimed it toward Brown while inside the car - (weren't initial witness reports claiming that Wilson said something to the effect of "I'll shoot you"?) - causing Brown to reach for the gun to avoid being shot (also helps explain why he was shot in the arm). Seems a lot more likely than Brown reaching down to the officer's hip from outside the window, undoing the buckle, drawing out the gun, and attempting to kill the officer with it, which is what this testimony is wanting you to believe he attempted. That'd be difficult to accomplish even if Wilson is left handed and carries his weapon on his left hip and not his right, like a righty would.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

A few days back, I wrote what I thought may have happened and what the just punishment should be.

But the protestors represent a different, and just as troubling (or even more troubling concern.) Let's be clear: they are NOT protesting the death of Michael Brown as a stand-alone incident. Rather they see it as representative of the way white policeman treat young black males. Brown is to the protestors simply the tip of the iceberg, and that's why their response will never be anything but emotional. They want Darren Wilson indicted, charged, and sent to jail. If someone like me were to offer my opinion as I did earlier why this it is probably not just to send Wilson to prison, the protestors would likely not listen. They would group me in with the "racists" (which includes, for many of them, anyone who does not take the view that Wilson is guilty of murder.)

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

You certainly know a lot about the experiences and emotions of those you have never met or communicated with. It is a rare gift you have, to see clearly through the eyes of those you know nothing about except for your preconceptions.

 

[mcintyre1]

A few days back, I wrote what I thought may have happened and what the just punishment should be.

But the protestors represent a different, and just as troubling (or even more troubling concern.) Let's be clear: they are NOT protesting the death of Michael Brown as a stand-alone incident. Rather they see it as representative of the way white policeman treat young black males. Brown is to the protestors simply the tip of the iceberg, and that's why their response will never be anything but emotional. They want Darren Wilson indicted, charged, and sent to jail. If someone like me were to offer my opinion as I did earlier why this it is probably not just to send Wilson to prison, the protestors would likely not listen. They would group me in with the "racists" (which includes, for many of them, anyone who does not take the view that Wilson is guilty of murder.)

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

You certainly know a lot about the experiences and emotions of those you have never met or communicated with. It is a rare gift you have, to see clearly through the eyes of those you know nothing about except for your preconceptions.

As someone who does communicate with "those people" about their experiences and emotions in regard to their treatment by police, Tim is not wrong in my experience. What have you heard from them about their treatment from police? I'd love to hear more experiences (particularly if you have somehow found some that love the police).

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

A few days back, I wrote what I thought may have happened and what the just punishment should be.

But the protestors represent a different, and just as troubling (or even more troubling concern.) Let's be clear: they are NOT protesting the death of Michael Brown as a stand-alone incident. Rather they see it as representative of the way white policeman treat young black males. Brown is to the protestors simply the tip of the iceberg, and that's why their response will never be anything but emotional. They want Darren Wilson indicted, charged, and sent to jail. If someone like me were to offer my opinion as I did earlier why this it is probably not just to send Wilson to prison, the protestors would likely not listen. They would group me in with the "racists" (which includes, for many of them, anyone who does not take the view that Wilson is guilty of murder.)

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

You certainly know a lot about the experiences and emotions of those you have never met or communicated with. It is a rare gift you have, to see clearly through the eyes of those you know nothing about except for your preconceptions.

As someone who does communicate with "those people" about their experiences and emotions in regard to their treatment by police, Tim is not wrong in my experience. What have you heard from them about their treatment from police? I'd love to hear more experiences (particularly if you have somehow found some that love the police).

I did spent 8 years working as a Community Outreach Attorney sandwiched between two stints as a prosecutor, one Municipal, the other on loan to a statewide multijurisdictional task force where I also split time as a Police Legal Advisor. The Community Outreach Office which I ran and which was funded out of DOJ had me working in a very ethnic area, primarily black but with strong Mexican and Korean influences and an emerging African population, primarily Ethiopian. My job was to see that the underserved population had access to City services, county services, legal services, and to prosecute crimes, Municipal and State, that were blighting the area. I worked closely with many neighborhood organizers and churches. I was well accepted in the area due to demographic matters I will not share here, and due to a respectful attitude and being service oriented.

I do not say that Tim is wrong about the attitude of some, but his pompous and presumptive assumption which runs through all of his threads that any demographic is homogeneous, and that he understands and speaks for them is nothing short of offensive. He offends me to my core. I do not ask you to share my offense, I merely sought to share it with him. I can assure you I will not trouble you with oversharing this opinion as he does with every single one of his.

 

[timschochet]

A few days back, I wrote what I thought may have happened and what the just punishment should be.

But the protestors represent a different, and just as troubling (or even more troubling concern.) Let's be clear: they are NOT protesting the death of Michael Brown as a stand-alone incident. Rather they see it as representative of the way white policeman treat young black males. Brown is to the protestors simply the tip of the iceberg, and that's why their response will never be anything but emotional. They want Darren Wilson indicted, charged, and sent to jail. If someone like me were to offer my opinion as I did earlier why this it is probably not just to send Wilson to prison, the protestors would likely not listen. They would group me in with the "racists" (which includes, for many of them, anyone who does not take the view that Wilson is guilty of murder.)

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

You certainly know a lot about the experiences and emotions of those you have never met or communicated with. It is a rare gift you have, to see clearly through the eyes of those you know nothing about except for your preconceptions.

As someone who does communicate with "those people" about their experiences and emotions in regard to their treatment by police, Tim is not wrong in my experience. What have you heard from them about their treatment from police? I'd love to hear more experiences (particularly if you have somehow found some that love the police).

I did spent 10 years working as a Community Outreach Attorney sandwiched between two stints as a prosecutor, one Municipal, the other on loan to a statewide multijurisdictional task force where I also split time as a Police Legal Advisor. The Community Outreach Office which I ran and which was funded out of DOJ had me working in a very ethnic area, primarily black but with strong Mexican and Korean influences and an emerging African population, primarily Ethiopian. My job was to see that the underserved population had access to City services, county services, legal services, and to prosecute crimes, Municipal and State, that were blighting the area. I worked closely with many neighborhood organizers and churches. I was well accepted in the area due to demographic matters I will not share here, and due to a respectful attitude and being service oriented.

I do not say that Tim is wrong about the attitude of some, but his pompous and presumptive assumption which runs through all of his threads that any demographic is homogeneous, and that he understands and speaks for them is nothing short of offensive. He offends me to my core. I do not ask you to share my offense, I merely sought to share it with him. I can assure you I will not trouble you with oversharing this opinion as he does with every single one of his.

Ditkaless Wonders, I didn't get to read this post until now. I'm actually very regretful that I appear to offend you so much, since you're someone that I always enjoy reading. But you're free to think what you want. When you write, however, that I know nothing about these people, you're wrong. It's a subject that interests me greatly, and one that I've spent a lot of attention on. I could offer you personal experiences, but as anecdotes they don't prove anything. Simply put, nothing that I wrote above is the least bit controversial. The vast majority of younger blacks HAVE suffered indignities directed at them by white policemen. Although many simply accept it as a way of life, there are many who are outraged by it, and those are the ones who are protesting. And I don't presume to talk for them; they have spoken for themselves. If you bother to listen to them, that is EXACTLY what they're saying.

As far as me offending you to your core, I don't get it. There are tons of people who disagree with me here on a variety of issues. Some are pleasant, others are rude. None of them offend me to my core. That's because it's only a message board.

 

[tdoss]

So does the spitter get charged with assault?

And does it carry "hate crime" legislation with it since she was screaming, "F' all these white mf'ers"?

 

[Todd Andrews]

A few days back, I wrote what I thought may have happened and what the just punishment should be.

But the protestors represent a different, and just as troubling (or even more troubling concern.) Let's be clear: they are NOT protesting the death of Michael Brown as a stand-alone incident. Rather they see it as representative of the way white policeman treat young black males. Brown is to the protestors simply the tip of the iceberg, and that's why their response will never be anything but emotional. They want Darren Wilson indicted, charged, and sent to jail. If someone like me were to offer my opinion as I did earlier why this it is probably not just to send Wilson to prison, the protestors would likely not listen. They would group me in with the "racists" (which includes, for many of them, anyone who does not take the view that Wilson is guilty of murder.)

This is really unfortunate. I don't blame them. I feel sorry for these people. Most of them have spent their entire lives having to suffer indignities at the hands of white policemen- stuff that a lot of people in this forum don't believe to be true, bit which happens all the time. They are absolutely right to be pissed off. But they're not thinking rationally as a result.

You certainly know a lot about the experiences and emotions of those you have never met or communicated with. It is a rare gift you have, to see clearly through the eyes of those you know nothing about except for your preconceptions.

As someone who does communicate with "those people" about their experiences and emotions in regard to their treatment by police, Tim is not wrong in my experience. What have you heard from them about their treatment from police? I'd love to hear more experiences (particularly if you have somehow found some that love the police).

I did spent 10 years working as a Community Outreach Attorney sandwiched between two stints as a prosecutor, one Municipal, the other on loan to a statewide multijurisdictional task force where I also split time as a Police Legal Advisor. The Community Outreach Office which I ran and which was funded out of DOJ had me working in a very ethnic area, primarily black but with strong Mexican and Korean influences and an emerging African population, primarily Ethiopian. My job was to see that the underserved population had access to City services, county services, legal services, and to prosecute crimes, Municipal and State, that were blighting the area. I worked closely with many neighborhood organizers and churches. I was well accepted in the area due to demographic matters I will not share here, and due to a respectful attitude and being service oriented.

I do not say that Tim is wrong about the attitude of some, but his pompous and presumptive assumption which runs through all of his threads that any demographic is homogeneous, and that he understands and speaks for them is nothing short of offensive. He offends me to my core. I do not ask you to share my offense, I merely sought to share it with him. I can assure you I will not trouble you with oversharing this opinion as he does with every single one of his.

Ditkaless Wonders, I didn't get to read this post until now. I'm actually very regretful that I appear to offend you so much, since you're someone that I always enjoy reading. But you're free to think what you want. When you write, however, that I know nothing about these people, you're wrong. It's a subject that interests me greatly, and one that I've spent a lot of attention on. I could offer you personal experiences, but as anecdotes they don't prove anything. Simply put, nothing that I wrote above is the least bit controversial. The vast majority of younger blacks HAVE suffered indignities directed at them by white policemen. Although many simply accept it as a way of life, there are many who are outraged by it, and those are the ones who are protesting. And I don't presume to talk for them; they have spoken for themselves. If you bother to listen to them, that is EXACTLY what they're saying.

As far as me offending you to your core, I don't get it. There are tons of people who disagree with me here on a variety of issues. Some are pleasant, others are rude. None of them offend me to my core. That's because it's only a message board.

Timscrout, your milktoast squishy soft bigotry offensiveness has pierced deep into the hot wet moist inner sanctum of Ditkaless Wonders' shangri la.

You should be proud.

 

[TobiasFunke]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

 

[Tecumseh]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

That's truly awful behavior. How could you leave a 2-point game with 2 minutes left???

 

[parasaurolophus]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

 

[TobiasFunke]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

 

[parasaurolophus]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

So why did you have to answer STLB in such a crappy sarcastic tone?

Why do you now follow it up with several excuses basically condoning it?

 

[TobiasFunke]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

So why did you have to answer STLB in such a crappy sarcastic tone?

Why do you now follow it up with several excuses basically condoning it?

Why did I answer a guy who posted in a crappy sarcastic tone with a crappy sarcastic tone? Seriously?

I didn't condone it or even "basically condone it," assuming "it" is calling him a racist and/or the two women arrested for assault. Saying someone has a legitimate reason to be outraged and wondering why some people don't seem to understand that at all is not the same as condoning what a few of them did with that outrage.

 

[TheWalkmen]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

 

[TobiasFunke]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

 

[TheWalkmen]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

What's the reason again for the protesters to be legitimately outraged? The blood on the uniform? The fact that there was a struggle? The fact that a few minutes earlier, Brown was shoplifting and using force on a store clerk (further indication of someone likely to take part in conflict / violence) ?

 

[fantasycurse42]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

What's the reason again for the protesters to be legitimately outraged? The blood on the uniform? The fact that there was a struggle? The fact that a few minutes earlier, Brown was shoplifting and using force on a store clerk?

Officer was white and obviously out to kill black youths... There was a gun carrying felon who was also killed two weeks back by another racist off-duty white cop.

 

[TheWalkmen]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

These protesters are significantly better than those preaching about Jesus. Gotcha.

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-union-spokesman-Officers-endure-threats-and-violence-from-protesters-279527312.html

 

[fantasycurse42]

These protesters are significantly better than those preaching about Jesus.

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-union-spokesman-Officers-endure-threats-and-violence-from-protesters-279527312.html

Unpossible!!

 

[TobiasFunke]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

These protesters are significantly better than those preaching about Jesus. Gotcha.

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-union-spokesman-Officers-endure-threats-and-violence-from-protesters-279527312.html

Yes, how silly of me to suggest that every single protestor in the St Louis region is significantly better than someone "preaching about Jesus," which is exactly what I said. Thank you once again for pointing out my error. You're really nailing this one.

 

[TheWalkmen]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

These protesters are significantly better than those preaching about Jesus. Gotcha.

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-union-spokesman-Officers-endure-threats-and-violence-from-protesters-279527312.html

Yes, how silly of me to suggest that every single protestor in the St Louis region is significantly better than someone "preaching about Jesus," which is exactly what I said. Thank you once again for pointing out my error. You're really nailing this one.

Yeah, only 2 of the Rams game protesters had ill will, actions, and intentions. That's laughable. Keep on dreamin' Tobias. I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

UPDATED: Former Police Chief Speaks on Latest Michael Brown Shooting Information

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released/

FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOX) Information about the Michael Brown fatal police shooting is beginning to leak out, and former St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says its no accident the feds are allowing the information.

Fitch discussed a New York Times article indicating, according to federal investigators, there was a struggle that led up to the fatal police shooting of Brown, with KMOXs Mark Reardon on Monday.

Fitch calls the information from the investigation coming out as phase two to coordinate leaks to the media, and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly, he says. When I say this is phase two phase one was really Eric Holders announcement how they were going to basically do a complete review and take over the Ferguson Police Department.

Fitch says he thinks the feds recognize that its probably very unlikely that theres going to be charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.

There was a struggle over the weapon. Law enforcement, we know that about half the officers killed every year with firearms are killed with their own, he says. So the fact that he didnt have his own doesnt mean there wasnt a weapon there available that could be used in deadly force use.

Fitch is a strong proponent of believing physical evidence over eye-witness evidence.

Physical evidence has no reason to lie. It doesnt see things differently, he says, and it is that kind of evidence he thinks could make or break the case.

If there was a struggle inside that car over a firearm, it sounds to me like Officer Wilson would have been justified in taking the action he did if he pulled the trigger and actually shot Michael Brown in the vehicle area, Fitch says.

He notes that the other key piece to the investigation is what happened after Wilson and Brown were out of the police vehicle.

If Michael Brown was truly turned around and basically charging the officer, he already went for round one fighting over his handgun. Are you going to go for round two and take the chance of losing it this time? Fitch asks. I think that would be a more logical explanation as to why Officer Wilson would have discharged his firearm at Michael Brown.

He says police officers are given lawful authority to use force, and according to the law, they are under no obligation to retreat when someone resists arrest. Fitch adds that with that authority comes some gray areas.

Fitch believes the New York Times story is just a preview of whats to come over the next few weeks.

This story was updated at 8:20 a.m. on Oct. 21.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Yeah, only 2 of the Rams game protesters had ill will, actions, and intentions. That's laughable. Keep on dreamin' Tobias. I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

But don't ask any strangers to pray as that is over the top in comparison to these protestors in Mizzou according to Tobias.

 

[TobiasFunke]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

These protesters are significantly better than those preaching about Jesus. Gotcha.

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-union-spokesman-Officers-endure-threats-and-violence-from-protesters-279527312.html

Yes, how silly of me to suggest that every single protestor in the St Louis region is significantly better than someone "preaching about Jesus," which is exactly what I said. Thank you once again for pointing out my error. You're really nailing this one.

Yeah, only 2 of the Rams game protesters had ill will, actions, and intentions. That's laughable. Keep on dreamin' Tobias. I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

Once again you've regurgitated my words and thoughts perfectly. Well done.. And I appreciate your prayers, always happy to hear of such a nice gesture. All the best to you and yours.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yeah, only 2 of the Rams game protesters had ill will, actions, and intentions. That's laughable. Keep on dreamin' Tobias. I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

But don't ask any strangers to pray as that is over the top in comparison to these protestors in Mizzou according to Tobias.

Would you say that it's a deep passion of yours to speak for me, or more of a hobby? You certainly seem to take every opportunity to do it. I don't know what drives your efforts to create a fictional version of me, but I hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[Bucky86]

This is feeling more and more like the Zimmerman incident.

I bet the cop pulled up next to Brown, said something, Brown mouthed off and the cop reached out to grab him and started pulling Brown towards him. Brown probably tried pushing the cop away and the cop reached for his weapon probably thinking Brown was reaching for it and shot. Brown was hit and the shock made both guys release their grip. Brown obviously in shock, stumbles/runs away. Cop gets out and then maybe Brown turns back to surrender after realizing he's ####### SHOT, and then BAM, the cop finishes him off.

 

[TheWalkmen]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Offensive behavior is offensive behavior. It is not ok to call St. Louis bob a racist and scream at him in public no matter what cause you are pretending to care about.

If you can't even take off the left wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that...

I agree, it's not OK. I don't condone their behavior. But it's no different than the ####### who tells me I'm going to hell because I haven't taken Jesus into my heart on my way into Nats games or the folks who greet me with huge images of aborted fetuses when I exit the subway on my way to work, yet somehow I persevere and don't feel the need to come on the message board and complain about the horrible experience in abortion or religion threads.

In fact I'd say the Rams game protestors are significantly better (with the exception of the woman and the teenager arrested for assault), because these people have a legitimate reason to be outraged. I've read a bunch of posts from Bob and lots of other posters upset about the protests/riots and haven't seen a single one in which they acknowledge that indisputable fact. It's all about these awful protestors and their horrible activities, with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad. That doesn't make it OK to call someone a racist with no grounds, but like I said it's not like the anger that's boiling over is coming from nowhere. If you can't even take off your right wing glasses for 5 seconds to acknowledge that ...

This is BS. The black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers, and shouldn't be a reason for them to be "so mad." The liberal media and the "protesters" were calling officer Wilson a murderer right away and the facts are proving to show a different story. Some of the protesters are calling for violence against random, innocent white people. This is a BS reason to loot and promote the liberal agenda of entitlement.

Wow, I hadn't thought of it this way. Can't believe I was condoning looting and promoting the liberal agenda of entitlement. Thanks for helping me see things clearly.

These protesters are significantly better than those preaching about Jesus. Gotcha.

http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police-union-spokesman-Officers-endure-threats-and-violence-from-protesters-279527312.html

Yes, how silly of me to suggest that every single protestor in the St Louis region is significantly better than someone "preaching about Jesus," which is exactly what I said. Thank you once again for pointing out my error. You're really nailing this one.

Yeah, only 2 of the Rams game protesters had ill will, actions, and intentions. That's laughable. Keep on dreamin' Tobias. I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

Once again you've regurgitated my words and thoughts perfectly. Well done.. And I appreciate your prayers, always happy to hear of such a nice gesture. All the best to you and yours.

Maybe you can rephrase your words so I can better understand. You said all the Rams game protesters, except the two that were arrested, are significantly better than someone holding a picture of an aborted fetus in the subway. As the reader of those words, I interpret someone holding a picture of a fetus as completely harmless, while more than just 2 protesters at the Rams game were slinging insults and being disorderly. Where am I wrong? Please specifically point out where I am misinterpreting your words.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Maybe you can rephrase your words so I can better understand. You said all the Rams game protesters, except the two that were arrested, are significantly better than someone holding a picture of an aborted fetus in the subway. As the reader of those words, I interpret someone holding a picture of a fetus as completely harmless, while more than just 2 protesters at the Rams game were slinging insults and being disorderly. Where am I wrong? Please specifically point out where I am misinterpreting your words.

you and yours.

Let's not forget that he said people protesting abortion don't have a legitimate reason to be upset. I lean pro choice, but I certainly wouldn't consider a dead fetus something that isn't worthy to get upset about, especially if it was aborted simply as a means of birth control.

 

[Widbil83]

More peaceful protesters.

I found myself, unexpectedly, right next to these people yesterday when I left the game. My GB's left the game early so I was by myself and I left at the 2:00 mark so there weren't a whole lot of people around.

This will be the fourth time that I've had people yelling, cursing and calling me a racist. You know, because I shave my head since most of my hair has fallen out. I'm obviously a racist because I don't have hair. All because I have the nerve to attend sporting events. That isn't harassment though. These people's rights trump mine.

Wow, man. Powerful, powerful stuff. I don't know how you find the strength to go on.

It's so awful that people focus on the tragedies experiences by the friends and families of Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Oscar Grant and the resulting anger and mistrust in their communities. Meanwhile you have to stand next to people who are "yelling and chanting" after a football game, and nobody seems to care. You might have even come face to face with the 49 year old woman and teenaged girl who were arrested for assault- no doubt a harrowing, life-threatening experience. Where's the CNN news crew to cover your living nightmare? Who's gonna make a Fruitvale Station about how some people yelled at you on your way to your car after watching the Rams win?

Wow.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Maybe you can rephrase your words so I can better understand. You said all the Rams game protesters, except the two that were arrested, are significantly better than someone holding a picture of an aborted fetus in the subway. As the reader of those words, I interpret someone holding a picture of a fetus as completely harmless, while more than just 2 protesters at the Rams game were slinging insults and being disorderly. Where am I wrong? Please specifically point out where I am misinterpreting your words.

Sure thing.

When I said they were "significantly better" I meant to compare the principles- the idea of loudly protesting racial injustice at a football game seems significantly better to me than loudly yelling at people that they are going to hell for not loving Jesus or surprising people with bloody images of dead fetuses. Obviously I can't compare the actions of individuals who go beyond that if I don't know what they're doing- which is why I excepted the two people I know about. I probably should have excluded the dooshbags calling SLB a racist, although I'd still say telling people they're going to hell or showing them fetuses is more obnoxious, but that's subjective. Either way they're both pretty easily ignored, or they should be. I was probably too sarcastic and snarky with my reply to SLB, but that was my point- there's a very very good reason these people are so pissed off, and it's a little weird when people don't recognize this.

You first responded by telling me that "the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers," which as far as I can tell has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, although I'm not even sure what it means to be honest. You then described people yelling at passersby that they're going to hell and people shoving huge bloody images of dead fetuses as "preaching to Jesus," which is a generous description to say the least. Then you gave me a link to an article about threats to the police from protestors. It says nothing about the protests at the football game, which is what I was talking about. Finally you said that I thought only two people at the football game protest had "ill will, actions and intentions," which once again I had not said. None of it made much sense. A lot of it also seems to confuse me saying that the protests and the anger of the group are understandable with me condoning the behavior of certain individuals who take it too far- something I've repeatedly taken care not to do.

 

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You guys wanna get together and go beat up an old white lady and steal some Xbox games tonight in the name of Michael Brown?

:justice:

 

[timschochet]

Nearly every sporting event I attend has people outside with big signs proclaiming that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is doomed to Hell. I ignore them. My experience is that protestors don't get in your face unless you get into theirs.

 

[TheWalkmen]

Maybe you can rephrase your words so I can better understand. You said all the Rams game protesters, except the two that were arrested, are significantly better than someone holding a picture of an aborted fetus in the subway. As the reader of those words, I interpret someone holding a picture of a fetus as completely harmless, while more than just 2 protesters at the Rams game were slinging insults and being disorderly. Where am I wrong? Please specifically point out where I am misinterpreting your words.

Sure thing.

When I said they were "significantly better" I meant to compare the principles- the idea of loudly protesting racial injustice at a football game seems significantly better to me than loudly yelling at people that they are going to hell for not loving Jesus or surprising people with bloody images of dead fetuses. Obviously I can't compare the actions of individuals who go beyond that if I don't know what they're doing- which is why I excepted the two people I know about. I probably should have excluded the dooshbags calling SLB a racist, although I'd still say telling people they're going to hell or showing them fetuses is more obnoxious, but that's subjective. Either way they're both pretty easily ignored, or they should be. I was probably too sarcastic and snarky with my reply to SLB, but that was my point- there's a very very good reason these people are so pissed off, and it's a little weird when people don't recognize this.

You first responded by telling me that "the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers," which as far as I can tell has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, although I'm not even sure what it means to be honest. You then described people yelling at passersby that they're going to hell and people shoving huge bloody images of dead fetuses as "preaching to Jesus," which is a generous description to say the least. Then you gave me a link to an article about threats to the police from protestors. It says nothing about the protests at the football game, which is what I was talking about. Finally you said that I thought only two people at the football game protest had "ill will, actions and intentions," which once again I had not said. None of it made much sense. A lot of it also seems to confuse me saying that the protests and the anger of the group are understandable with me condoning the behavior of certain individuals who take it too far- something I've repeatedly taken care not to do.

My comment stating the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers was in response to your statement that read "with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad." Regarding my link to protesters threatening police: if I were to draw a Venn diagram, there would be overlap between Rams Game Protesters and Protesters Threatening Police. You obviously think they're mutually exclusive.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Maybe you can rephrase your words so I can better understand. You said all the Rams game protesters, except the two that were arrested, are significantly better than someone holding a picture of an aborted fetus in the subway. As the reader of those words, I interpret someone holding a picture of a fetus as completely harmless, while more than just 2 protesters at the Rams game were slinging insults and being disorderly. Where am I wrong? Please specifically point out where I am misinterpreting your words.

Sure thing.

When I said they were "significantly better" I meant to compare the principles- the idea of loudly protesting racial injustice at a football game seems significantly better to me than loudly yelling at people that they are going to hell for not loving Jesus or surprising people with bloody images of dead fetuses. Obviously I can't compare the actions of individuals who go beyond that if I don't know what they're doing- which is why I excepted the two people I know about. I probably should have excluded the dooshbags calling SLB a racist, although I'd still say telling people they're going to hell or showing them fetuses is more obnoxious, but that's subjective. Either way they're both pretty easily ignored, or they should be. I was probably too sarcastic and snarky with my reply to SLB, but that was my point- there's a very very good reason these people are so pissed off, and it's a little weird when people don't recognize this.

You first responded by telling me that "the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers," which as far as I can tell has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, although I'm not even sure what it means to be honest. You then described people yelling at passersby that they're going to hell and people shoving huge bloody images of dead fetuses as "preaching to Jesus," which is a generous description to say the least. Then you gave me a link to an article about threats to the police from protestors. It says nothing about the protests at the football game, which is what I was talking about. Finally you said that I thought only two people at the football game protest had "ill will, actions and intentions," which once again I had not said. None of it made much sense. A lot of it also seems to confuse me saying that the protests and the anger of the group are understandable with me condoning the behavior of certain individuals who take it too far- something I've repeatedly taken care not to do.

My comment stating the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers was in response to your statement that read "with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad." Regarding my link to protesters threatening police: if I were to draw a Venn diagram, there would be overlap between Rams Game Protesters and Protesters Threatening Police. You obviously think they're mutually exclusive.

1. There can be something seriously wrong with area race relations and with law enforcement without attributing all of a minority's "struggles" to the police.2

2. I have no idea if they're mutually exclusive or not, but I don't know why you just assume that there's an overlap. If I hear reports that a couple of fantasy football enthusiasts like to have sex with farm animals I don't go to the Shark Pool and call them a bunch of cow#######.

 

[TheWalkmen]

Nearly every sporting event I attend has people outside with big signs proclaiming that anyone who doesn't accept Jesus is doomed to Hell. I ignore them. My experience is that protestors don't get in your face unless you get into theirs.

So what about the reports of protesters saying there will be "bloodshed to innocents" and "breaking cracker skulls" if Darren Wilson isn't charged? Are these just empty threats? Should I be concerned that my wife and kids walk to the park during the day, and I live in the city of St Louis?

 

[TheWalkmen]

Maybe you can rephrase your words so I can better understand. You said all the Rams game protesters, except the two that were arrested, are significantly better than someone holding a picture of an aborted fetus in the subway. As the reader of those words, I interpret someone holding a picture of a fetus as completely harmless, while more than just 2 protesters at the Rams game were slinging insults and being disorderly. Where am I wrong? Please specifically point out where I am misinterpreting your words.

Sure thing.

When I said they were "significantly better" I meant to compare the principles- the idea of loudly protesting racial injustice at a football game seems significantly better to me than loudly yelling at people that they are going to hell for not loving Jesus or surprising people with bloody images of dead fetuses. Obviously I can't compare the actions of individuals who go beyond that if I don't know what they're doing- which is why I excepted the two people I know about. I probably should have excluded the dooshbags calling SLB a racist, although I'd still say telling people they're going to hell or showing them fetuses is more obnoxious, but that's subjective. Either way they're both pretty easily ignored, or they should be. I was probably too sarcastic and snarky with my reply to SLB, but that was my point- there's a very very good reason these people are so pissed off, and it's a little weird when people don't recognize this.

You first responded by telling me that "the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers," which as far as I can tell has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, although I'm not even sure what it means to be honest. You then described people yelling at passersby that they're going to hell and people shoving huge bloody images of dead fetuses as "preaching to Jesus," which is a generous description to say the least. Then you gave me a link to an article about threats to the police from protestors. It says nothing about the protests at the football game, which is what I was talking about. Finally you said that I thought only two people at the football game protest had "ill will, actions and intentions," which once again I had not said. None of it made much sense. A lot of it also seems to confuse me saying that the protests and the anger of the group are understandable with me condoning the behavior of certain individuals who take it too far- something I've repeatedly taken care not to do.

My comment stating the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers was in response to your statement that read "with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad." Regarding my link to protesters threatening police: if I were to draw a Venn diagram, there would be overlap between Rams Game Protesters and Protesters Threatening Police. You obviously think they're mutually exclusive.

1. There can be something seriously wrong with area race relations and with law enforcement without attributing all of a minority's "struggles" to the police.2

2. I have no idea if they're mutually exclusive or not, but I don't know why you just assume that there's an overlap. If I hear reports that a couple of fantasy football enthusiasts like to have sex with farm animals I don't go to the Shark Pool and call them a bunch of cow#######.

It seems to me you already took the stance that they are, by stating all but 2 are significantly better than the preaching group.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Yeah, only 2 of the Rams game protesters had ill will, actions, and intentions. That's laughable. Keep on dreamin' Tobias. I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

But don't ask any strangers to pray as that is over the top in comparison to these protestors in Mizzou according to Tobias.

Would you say that it's a deep passion of yours to speak for me, or more of a hobby? You certainly seem to take every opportunity to do it. I don't know what drives your efforts to create a fictional version of me, but I hope you find what you're looking for.

You actually said something along the lines that people soliciting you for religious reasons are more of a nuisance... I also found your comment to SLBob to be extremely over the top and annoying

 

[Doug B]

Just because outrage can be legitimate doesn't mean all expressions of said outrage are legitimate. IMHO, pacifistic protests would garner more sympathy and better cement in the minds of the public who the "bad guys" and "good guys" are. From here, it just looks like a bubbling cauldron of morally ambiguous (at best) people.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Maybe you can rephrase your words so I can better understand. You said all the Rams game protesters, except the two that were arrested, are significantly better than someone holding a picture of an aborted fetus in the subway. As the reader of those words, I interpret someone holding a picture of a fetus as completely harmless, while more than just 2 protesters at the Rams game were slinging insults and being disorderly. Where am I wrong? Please specifically point out where I am misinterpreting your words.

Sure thing.

When I said they were "significantly better" I meant to compare the principles- the idea of loudly protesting racial injustice at a football game seems significantly better to me than loudly yelling at people that they are going to hell for not loving Jesus or surprising people with bloody images of dead fetuses. Obviously I can't compare the actions of individuals who go beyond that if I don't know what they're doing- which is why I excepted the two people I know about. I probably should have excluded the dooshbags calling SLB a racist, although I'd still say telling people they're going to hell or showing them fetuses is more obnoxious, but that's subjective. Either way they're both pretty easily ignored, or they should be. I was probably too sarcastic and snarky with my reply to SLB, but that was my point- there's a very very good reason these people are so pissed off, and it's a little weird when people don't recognize this.

You first responded by telling me that "the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers," which as far as I can tell has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, although I'm not even sure what it means to be honest. You then described people yelling at passersby that they're going to hell and people shoving huge bloody images of dead fetuses as "preaching to Jesus," which is a generous description to say the least. Then you gave me a link to an article about threats to the police from protestors. It says nothing about the protests at the football game, which is what I was talking about. Finally you said that I thought only two people at the football game protest had "ill will, actions and intentions," which once again I had not said. None of it made much sense. A lot of it also seems to confuse me saying that the protests and the anger of the group are understandable with me condoning the behavior of certain individuals who take it too far- something I've repeatedly taken care not to do.

My comment stating the black community in St Louis isn't struggling due to white police officers was in response to your statement that read "with no recognition of the fact that something appears to be seriously wrong when it comes to St. Louis area race relations and law enforcement and that's why they're so mad." Regarding my link to protesters threatening police: if I were to draw a Venn diagram, there would be overlap between Rams Game Protesters and Protesters Threatening Police. You obviously think they're mutually exclusive.

1. There can be something seriously wrong with area race relations and with law enforcement without attributing all of a minority's "struggles" to the police.2

2. I have no idea if they're mutually exclusive or not, but I don't know why you just assume that there's an overlap. If I hear reports that a couple of fantasy football enthusiasts like to have sex with farm animals I don't go to the Shark Pool and call them a bunch of cow#######.

It seems to me you already took the stance that they are, by stating all but 2 are significantly better than the preaching group.

I literally just posted ten minutes ago that I was talking about the protest and the idea behind it, not accounting for individual people who may take things too far.

It seems like you have trouble separating the group and its goals from the relatively few individuals within the group who do bad things in its name. It's a pretty simple concept that applies to pretty much any group that organizes and takes action for some kind of change, regardless of what they want or what side of the aisle you might put them on. Not sure why you're struggling with it.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I literally just posted ten minutes ago that I was talking about the protest and the idea behind it, not accounting for individual people who may take things too far.

It seems like you have trouble separating the group and its goals from the relatively few individuals within the group who do bad things in its name. It's a pretty simple concept that applies to pretty much any group that organizes and takes action for some kind of change, regardless of what they want or what side of the aisle you might put them on. Not sure why you're struggling with it.

You keep referencing a few individuals... You've been using this reference for some time and it always appears to be a small handful When are a few individuals not considered a few individuals anymore?

You read about the constant harassment that law enforcement and their families are getting from this "small handful"? The PBA link was posted a few hours ago.

I don't think he is struggling with anything, it might be you... & I think St Louis Bob has a legitimate gripe, I don't like being harassed for no reason either.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yeah, only 2 of the Rams game protesters had ill will, actions, and intentions. That's laughable. Keep on dreamin' Tobias. I will keep you in my prayers tonight.

But don't ask any strangers to pray as that is over the top in comparison to these protestors in Mizzou according to Tobias.

Would you say that it's a deep passion of yours to speak for me, or more of a hobby? You certainly seem to take every opportunity to do it. I don't know what drives your efforts to create a fictional version of me, but I hope you find what you're looking for.

You actually said something along the lines that people soliciting you for religious reasons are more of a nuisance... I also found your comment to SLBob to be extremely over the top and annoying

Sorry to hear it. Feel free to put me on ignore, I think we'd both be better for it.

As for SLB, perhaps I was a little too snarky given that he has come on here all fired up about a negative experience before and then toned it down later on, so my apologies to him if that's the case once again. But I just didn't see the big deal about people yelling at someone at a game. A minor annoyance to be sure, but he seemed eager to turn it into something bigger than that with the over the top sarcasm. And it's just snark, not like I said anything bad about him as a person or something.

 

[Doug B]

I literally just posted ten minutes ago that I was talking about the protest and the idea behind it, not accounting for individual people who may take things too far.

If law enforcement fairly has to own and accept accountability for the verry worst of their lot, why shouldn't the broad "protest" own the worst of theirs?

Can "the protest and the idea behind it" truly be separated from "the worst of the protestors"?