Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (3 Viewers)

[Christo]

The sad reality is...if this does spark riots...it's gonna cause more white flight and Ferguson will become "Camden", "Detroit" or "Chicago" in a lot of people's minds...it'll basically push that area into an even worsening situation going forward.

Bob...I fear you're seeing the end of the town you once knew.

Not Chicago. It's settled in at about 1/3-1/3-1/3 and held steady for the past 20-30 years.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that “they” — most of the black residents of Ferguson — didn’t believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last year’s municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal — 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.

You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.

A lot of people have suffered discrimination in this world. African Americans must learn to take control of their own destiny.

 

[tdoss]

The sad reality is...if this does spark riots...it's gonna cause more white flight and Ferguson will become "Camden", "Detroit" or "Chicago" in a lot of people's minds...it'll basically push that area into an even worsening situation going forward.

Bob...I fear you're seeing the end of the town you once knew.

Not Chicago. It's settled in at about 1/3-1/3-1/3 and held steady for the past 20-30 years.

Ah...but there's definite "race borders" though, right?

When we hear of the weekends with 50 people getting shot...it's within one demographic-intensive area, right?

 

[Christo]

The sad reality is...if this does spark riots...it's gonna cause more white flight and Ferguson will become "Camden", "Detroit" or "Chicago" in a lot of people's minds...it'll basically push that area into an even worsening situation going forward.

Bob...I fear you're seeing the end of the town you once knew.

Not Chicago. It's settled in at about 1/3-1/3-1/3 and held steady for the past 20-30 years.

Ah...but there's definite "race borders" though, right?

When we hear of the weekends with 50 people getting shot...it's within one demographic-intensive area, right?

I thought we were talking about white flight. Show me a single major city in America that doesn't have "race borders."

 

[Rohn Jambo]

The sad reality is...if this does spark riots...it's gonna cause more white flight and Ferguson will become "Camden", "Detroit" or "Chicago" in a lot of people's minds...it'll basically push that area into an even worsening situation going forward.

Bob...I fear you're seeing the end of the town you once knew.

Not Chicago. It's settled in at about 1/3-1/3-1/3 and held steady for the past 20-30 years.

Ah...but there's definite "race borders" though, right?

When we hear of the weekends with 50 people getting shot...it's within one demographic-intensive area, right?

Besides the demographic changes, Ferguson's population also has gone down from 28,760 to 21,111 in the last 30+ years. It will not only be white flight - some black families may not want to live there anymore.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

The sad reality is...if this does spark riots...it's gonna cause more white flight and Ferguson will become "Camden", "Detroit" or "Chicago" in a lot of people's minds...it'll basically push that area into an even worsening situation going forward.

Bob...I fear you're seeing the end of the town you once knew.

Sorry, I was in the middle of putting a puzzle together with my youngest son.

I hope not but we'll see. Like I said, there are a lot of good people that live in the area, it doesn't matter the color of their skin. We see the big picture. We live together, drink together, smoke weed together lol, and actually discuss racial stuff that most people, from what I get from this thread, would be scared to talk about for fear of being called a racist. I love my town and the people in it.

I live in a pretty white area now far away from the city. I still feel weird now when I go out and there are all white people at a bar. It's just not the way I grew up and what I'm used to.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

The sad reality is...if this does spark riots...it's gonna cause more white flight and Ferguson will become "Camden", "Detroit" or "Chicago" in a lot of people's minds...it'll basically push that area into an even worsening situation going forward.

Bob...I fear you're seeing the end of the town you once knew.

Not Chicago. It's settled in at about 1/3-1/3-1/3 and held steady for the past 20-30 years.

Ah...but there's definite "race borders" though, right?

When we hear of the weekends with 50 people getting shot...it's within one demographic-intensive area, right?

Besides the demographic changes, Ferguson's population also has gone down from 28,760 to 21,111 in the last 30+ years. It will not only be white flight - some black families may not want to live there anymore.

Exactly right. I'm not familiar with other areas of the country but there are a lot of well educated black people that want their children to grow up in the right environment. It only takes a few bad apples to #### things up for everybody and it's A LOT tougher when you are black. The next thing you know, everybody black is stereotyped. It sucks.

 

[Da Guru]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that “they” — most of the black residents of Ferguson — didn’t believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last year’s municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal — 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.

You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.

A lot of people have suffered discrimination in this world. African Americans must learn to take control of their own destiny.

Many black people do take control of their destiny and they do fine in America. Unfortunately, there are also many black people who don't take control of their own destiny and they don't do well. The former group's success suggests that it's not racism that's keeping the latter group down.

Only 17% of the honkies voted. Not a good turnout by any demo.

 

[jon_mx]

Can someone send me a PM when it is OK to Loot. I need a flatscreen for the basement. TIA.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that “they” — most of the black residents of Ferguson — didn’t believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last year’s municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal — 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.

You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.

A lot of people have suffered discrimination in this world. African Americans must learn to take control of their own destiny.

Many black people do take control of their destiny and they do fine in America. Unfortunately, there are also many black people who don't take control of their own destiny and they don't do well. The former group's success suggests that it's not racism that's keeping the latter group down.

The Land of Israel is a big deal to the Jewish people. How come Afican Americans rarely talk about returning to or even visiting their ancesters' home land?

 

[timschochet]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that “they” — most of the black residents of Ferguson — didn’t believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last year’s municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal — 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.

You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.

A lot of people have suffered discrimination in this world. African Americans must learn to take control of their own destiny.

Many black people do take control of their destiny and they do fine in America. Unfortunately, there are also many black people who don't take control of their own destiny and they don't do well. The former group's success suggests that it's not racism that's keeping the latter group down.

The Land of Israel is a big deal to the Jewish people. How come Afican Americans rarely talk about returning to or even visiting their ancesters' home land?

Because it's a horrible analogy?

 

[Christo]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that “they” — most of the black residents of Ferguson — didn’t believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last year’s municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal — 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.

You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.

A lot of people have suffered discrimination in this world. African Americans must learn to take control of their own destiny.

Many black people do take control of their destiny and they do fine in America. Unfortunately, there are also many black people who don't take control of their own destiny and they don't do well. The former group's success suggests that it's not racism that's keeping the latter group down.

The Land of Israel is a big deal to the Jewish people. How come Afican Americans rarely talk about returning to or even visiting their ancesters' home land?

It's called Liberia. And it failed miserably. Kind of like Detroit.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that they most of the black residents of Ferguson didnt believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last years municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.

A lot of people have suffered discrimination in this world. African Americans must learn to take control of their own destiny.

Many black people do take control of their destiny and they do fine in America. Unfortunately, there are also many black people who don't take control of their own destiny and they don't do well. The former group's success suggests that it's not racism that's keeping the latter group down.

The Land of Israel is a big deal to the Jewish people. How come Afican Americans rarely talk about returning to or even visiting their ancesters' home land?

It's called Liberia. And it failed miserably. Kind of like Detroit.

Lincoln supported the "repatriation" of freed slaves to Liberia because he did not think racial integration would work at that time. However, some free slaves felt that was deportation.

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it.Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

The white neighborhoods are armed, to keep out the people of Ferguson.

I cannot imagine this happening in my city of 100,000 (68% White alone - 17.3% White Hispanics). Talk about national headlines.

 

[tdoss]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it.Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

The white neighborhoods are armed, to keep out the people of Ferguson.

I cannot imagine this happening in my city of 100,000 (68% White alone - 17.3% White Hispanics). Talk about national headlines.

That's only 85% accounted for...

 

[Mr Two Cents]

Okay:

• White alone - 56,977 (68.2%)
• Hispanic - 14,446 (17.3%)
• Black alone - 5,791 (6.9%)
• Asian alone - 4,453 (5.3%)
• Two or more races - 1,459 (1.7%)
• American Indian alone - 246 (0.3%)
• Other race alone - 146 (0.2%)
• Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 42 (0.1%)

 

[tdoss]

Okay:

• White alone - 56,977 (68.2%)
• Hispanic - 14,446 (17.3%)
• Black alone - 5,791 (6.9%)
• Asian alone - 4,453 (5.3%)
• Two or more races - 1,459 (1.7%)
• American Indian alone - 246 (0.3%)
• Other race alone - 146 (0.2%)
• Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 42 (0.1%)

Yea...you're well below the 20% threshold...

 

[msommer]

It's funny, I once had an idea about publishing a photo only coffee table style book on race relations. Having grown up and lived in the Ferguson area, it always made my soul feel good to see so many black and white people, both adults and children, spending time with each other and playing together. Then I realized it would be really creepy to be taking pictures of strangers, kids in particular. It's amazing to me how places like Ferguson get labeled as a ghetto. A better term would be integrated. What do I know though, I've only lived there the vast majority of my life.

Saul Alinsky once famously defined integration as ``that brief period between the time the first black family moves in and the last white family moves out.''

His point was that what appeared to be integration was not true integration, but instead was a town merely transitioning from white to black. Here is Ferguson's census data:

In 1970, Ferguson was 99% white and 1% black

In 1980, Ferguson was 85% white and 14% black

In 1990, Ferguson was 73.8% white and 25.1% black

In 2000, Ferguson was 44.8% white and 52.4% black

In 2010 Ferguson was 29.3% white and 67.4% black

[Chart: Inside Ferguson's Changing Demographics, Forbes, 8-19-2014]

The census data shows a fairly rapid rate of transition from a white town to what will be a nearly all black town in the not too distant future. Suffice to say, the events of this past year will likely increase the rate of white flight.

Given the era in which you've lived nearly all your memories of Ferguson are of that "brief period" of integration which Alinsky described, but when you pull back further the census numbers support Alinsky's idea of transition rather than true integration.

How come the black folks are not in charge in Ferguson when they are the majority?

That was addressed earlier in the thread. Ferguson's black population doesn't come out to vote for municipal elections.The simplest answer is that “they” — most of the black residents of Ferguson — didn’t believe that elections are important. Only 6 percent of black voters cast a ballot in last year’s municipal election. (Link)

Ferguson holds stand-alone elections for local offices in the spring of odd-numbered years when nothing else is on the ballot. Voter turnout is abysmal — 7 percent of black voters compared with 17 percent of white voters. (Link)

Damn...that's awful.

You'd think black leader would address this obvious need. It's not hard to point at Obama and show proof of the concept of getting out to vote.

But I guess energy and resources are better spent blaming whitey and movitivating riots.

A lot of people have suffered discrimination in this world. African Americans must learn to take control of their own destiny.

Many black people do take control of their destiny and they do fine in America. Unfortunately, there are also many black people who don't take control of their own destiny and they don't do well. The former group's success suggests that it's not racism that's keeping the latter group down.

The Land of Israel is a big deal to the Jewish people. How come Afican Americans rarely talk about returning to or even visiting their ancesters' home land?

It's called Liberia. And it failed miserably. Kind of like Detroit.

Can we merge this with the Ebola thread?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it.Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

The white neighborhoods are armed, to keep out the people of Ferguson.

I cannot imagine this happening in my city of 100,000 (68% White alone - 17.3% White Hispanics). Talk about national headlines.

The death count from dumb white people arming themselves as protection from riots has now exceeded the death count from the riots. link

 

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The death count from dumb white people arming themselves as protection from riots has now exceeded the death count from the riots. link

To be fair... anyone stupid enough to wildly waive around a loaded weapon in the vicinity of the heads of themselves and others (particularly with their finger on the trigger) was likely on borrowed time as it is.

 

[jon_mx]

Finally, a voice of reason?

http://bsun.md/1Fellr8

In a speech Saturday at Morgan State University, Louis Farrakhan predicted violence in Ferguson this week and castigated black leaders from fellow preachers to President Barack Obama for trying to pacify protesters who have a right to express outrage over police brutality.

"They know an explosion is going to come," the Nation of Islam leader said to cheers from the more than 2,000 people crowding the university's Murphy Fine Arts Center. "You leaders are the worst."

Tonight in Ferguson everyone is on edge. White folks ain't never been on edge after they've killed a black man. Tonight they're on edge.

- Louis Farrakhan

It's bad enough he says this stuff, but thousands of people cheering doesn't seem good.

I was thinking about his statement about white people being on edge. Are they really? I guess they would be if the mob was assembled in a white suburb, but if all they're going to do is destroy ferguson again, white people will just stay clear of it.Maybe they should move the riots to a white neighborhood.

The white neighborhoods are armed, to keep out the people of Ferguson.

I cannot imagine this happening in my city of 100,000 (68% White alone - 17.3% White Hispanics). Talk about national headlines.

The death count from dumb white people arming themselves as protection from riots has now exceeded the death count from the riots. link

So can we call it even and end all this non-sense?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

So the rumor of a Sunday announcement was false, but I assume we are all sticking with the rumor that the announcement will be no indictment?

 

[TheWalkmen]

I drove by the courthouse in Clayton this morning on my way to the office just down the street and it's a circus. A parking lot is now almost completely full of news trucks and crews, tons of barricades, boarded up businesses, a guy on top of a building setting up cameras. It's quite surreal as Clayton is a peaceful, quiet, wealthy area full of corporate offices, business professionals, restaurants, bars, shops, hotels, etc. I'll try to get out and snap some pics.

 

[msommer]

So the rumor of a Sunday announcement was false, but I assume we are all sticking with the rumor that the announcement will be no indictment?

Perhaps the police are not building barricades to prevent violent protests but to be able to defend the soon to be announced independent country of Fergusonstan...

 

[Sinn Fein]

So the rumor of a Sunday announcement was false, but I assume we are all sticking with the rumor that the announcement will be no indictment?

We need a good riot, so no indictment, plus maybe an award of punitive damages against the citizens seems to be in order - maybe awarding the officer $1000 from every citizen?

 

[Todem]

I don't think there will be an indictment. I base it on just the information I have read.

We shall see.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I don't think there will be an indictment. I base it on just the information I have read.

We shall see.

Yup. And the information we have read has been selectively leaked to get the public braced for a decision not to indict. This has been more of a PR campaign than a search for justice from the get-go.

 

[Doug B]

I'm guessing no announcement until the national guard is in place.. people will be free to protest, but any looting and violence will dealt with harshly..

They could be waiting for the coldest day in the forecast.

At one point, I was thinking they were going to push it out until the Wednesday evening before Thanksgiving. Not sure they can get away with that now, though.

Well ...

 

[TheWalkmen]

I don't think there will be an indictment. I base it on just the information I have read.

We shall see.

Yup. And the information we have read has been selectively leaked to get the public braced for a decision not to indict. This has been more of a PR campaign than a search for justice from the get-go.

Do you think the jurors in this case would agree? What an odd statement.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I don't think there will be an indictment. I base it on just the information I have read.

We shall see.

Yup. And the information we have read has been selectively leaked to get the public braced for a decision not to indict. This has been more of a PR campaign than a search for justice from the get-go.

Do you think the jurors in this case would agree? What an odd statement.

I think the jurors can only evaluate what the prosecuting attorney presents. The ties between the prosecuting attorney in this case and the police are well documented.

 

[Todem]

Culled from your article Tobias.

A Democrat, he is running for reelection this November unopposed.

Here is what I am talking about. You can't change anything with riots and violence. You need to use your brains. Why is he unopposed? Why is this community not working to get a new candidate to run against this so-called biased (and in my eyes he is being inferred) and racist who supports the primarily white police force. Work towards change in the system that is not working for you. There must be plenty of lawyers to run against this guy. Why is it not happening? And will a lot of this community vote anyway? We know how voting goes in this country. Just look at the turnout for the mid term elections. It was a joke.

And the article basically is saying the entire indictment process in our country is in a nut shell totally rigged.

 

[jonessed]

I don't think there will be an indictment. I base it on just the information I have read.

We shall see.

Yup. And the information we have read has been selectively leaked to get the public braced for a decision not to indict. This has been more of a PR campaign than a search for justice from the get-go.

Do you think the jurors in this case would agree? What an odd statement.

It's a conspiracy!

 

[Todem]

I don't think there will be an indictment. I base it on just the information I have read.

We shall see.

Yup. And the information we have read has been selectively leaked to get the public braced for a decision not to indict. This has been more of a PR campaign than a search for justice from the get-go.

Do you think the jurors in this case would agree? What an odd statement.

It's a conspiracy!

Yep everything is....everything.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I assume more information will come about surrounding this case regardless of the grand jury's decision (e.g. forensic reports). Seems foolish to make up one's mind now without access to the same information the grand jury has in front of it.

Let's also keep in mind that there are two different issues involved here. There's the shooting itself, which none of us are well-placed to evaluate. And then there's the police response in the aftermath, which we all saw and should agree was deplorable. Even if the shooting was 100% justified, the police department would still deserve all sorts of criticism for the way that they handled journalists and peaceful protestors.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Culled from your article Tobias.

A Democrat, he is running for reelection this November unopposed.

Here is what I am talking about. You can't change anything with riots and violence. You need to use your brains. Why is he unopposed? Why is this community not working to get a new candidate to run against this so-called biased (and in my eyes he is being inferred) and racist who supports the primarily white police force. Work towards change in the system that is not working for you. There must be plenty of lawyers to run against this guy. Why is it not happening? And will a lot of this community vote anyway? We know how voting goes in this country. Just look at the turnout for the mid term elections. It was a joke.

And the article basically is saying the entire indictment process in our country is in a nut shell totally rigged.

Yup, that's a problem. Hopefully the community will work for change.

Also that article was pretty mild in its discussion of the improper ties between this prosecutor and the cops. Here's the angry activist version.

Not sure the article says the entire indictment process is "totally rigged." It's pretty clear that this is a special case, with a number of factors not present in most cases.

 

[jonessed]

I assume more information will come about surrounding this case regardless of the grand jury's decision (e.g. forensic reports). Seems foolish to make up one's mind now without access to the same information the grand jury has in front of it.

Let's also keep in mind that there are two different issues involved here. There's the shooting itself, which none of us are well-placed to evaluate. And then there's the police response in the aftermath, which we all saw and should agree was deplorable. Even if the shooting was 100% justified, the police department would still deserve all sorts of criticism for the way that they handled journalists and peaceful protestors.

The prosecutor has stated that he is presenting all available evidence and will make the transcripts available should there be no indictment.

 

[B-Deep]

And the article basically is saying the entire indictment process in our country is in a nut shell totally rigged.

Having talked to a few people who served on Grand Juries this was their impression. When the prosecutor wanted a yes vote it was almost automatic, since they are presenting only their side of the case. When they do not want one they present little. The people I talked to said there is very little discussion on 9 out of 10 cases and it seemed like the grand jury was a rubber stamp.

That being said, this case seems like the type of case that the people i spoke to would describe as case #10

 

[Doug B]

I think the jurors can only evaluate what the prosecuting attorney presents. The ties between the prosecuting attorney in this case and the police are well documented.

IMHO, that article looks damning at first glance, but it's ultimately grasping at straws. The writer bring up one case as basically indicative of McCulloch's entire prosecutorial record. Then they bring up that McCulloch is related to several cops, including his father -- who was killed on duty when McCullock as 12. So the obvious point, is "Of course McCulloch is a police shill ... how could he not be ... amirite?"

Then, finally, they get around to mentioning that McCulloch isn't even involved in the grand jury proceedings at all -- two other county attorneys are handling it. And yet, the writer asserts that McCulloch will still be controlling the events in the grand jury room.

Also buried in the article -- that federal investigators have been working parallel to local investigators since late August. Justice Department eyes are on this case. So McCulloch, or the other county prosecutors, are most certainly going to attempt grand jury shenanigans while a federal spotlight is being shone on them? Sorry, don't buy it.

The writer threads together a few facts that look bad, but never approaches a slam dunk.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I hope to god Reginald Denny doesn't wander up on the upcoming protest.

 

[Doug B]

Not sure the article says the entire indictment process is "totally rigged." It's pretty clear that this is a special case, with a number of factors not present in most cases.

So what is the article aiming to say, then?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I assume more information will come about surrounding this case regardless of the grand jury's decision (e.g. forensic reports). Seems foolish to make up one's mind now without access to the same information the grand jury has in front of it.

Let's also keep in mind that there are two different issues involved here. There's the shooting itself, which none of us are well-placed to evaluate. And then there's the police response in the aftermath, which we all saw and should agree was deplorable. Even if the shooting was 100% justified, the police department would still deserve all sorts of criticism for the way that they handled journalists and peaceful protestors.

And this is the problem- the people who screwed the pooch on this one are also the ones whose member is facing indictment and the ones responsible for the investigation.

I think it's entirely possible that the shooting was justified. I also know that if I was a member of the black community in Ferguson and witnessed the behavior of the police over the last month (and to a lesser extent over the last decade or more) I wouldn't believe a word I hear from law enforcement going forward, including what they say about the incident and about whether the investigators and prosecuting attorney did their jobs well. Unfortunately that ship sailed a long time ago.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not sure the article says the entire indictment process is "totally rigged." It's pretty clear that this is a special case, with a number of factors not present in most cases.

So what is the article aiming to say, then?

I was replying to Todem, who had said that the article said that "the entire indictment process in our country is in a nut shell totally rigged." I don't think it said that.

 

[kentric]

God, I can't wait until this city burns to the ground. Nothing but opportunists.

How many white people rioted after OJ was found not guilty?

But OJ is white, isn't he?

 

[Sinn Fein]

God, I can't wait until this city burns to the ground. Nothing but opportunists.

How many white people rioted after OJ was found not guilty?

But OJ is white, isn't he?

Can't be - he's in jail.

 

[Doug B]

I also know that if I was a member of the black community in Ferguson and witnessed the behavior of the police over the last month (and to a lesser extent over the last decade or more) I wouldn't believe a word I hear from law enforcement going forward, including what they say about the incident and about whether the investigators and prosecuting attorney did their jobs well. Unfortunately that ship sailed a long time ago.

Well, then the ship has also sailed on meaningful change in that community long ago. The cycle of distrust has to be decisively interrupted, and it's no more than 50% on the police force/prosecutors office to do so. The community has to accept the other 50%.

Otherwise, the "we don't trust you" game can be cynically played forever.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Is it me, or does it appear that the prosecutor probably presented more "exculpatory" evidence to the grand jury than a typical prosecutor would present?

Almost seems like the prosecutor does not want to prosecute the case, so he is trying to give the grand jury an out here.

Again, just based on the "damning" evidence there is more than enough to indict. I wonder if a normal suspect gets this kind of treatment from a prosecutor, or do they get the indictment first, and then figure out the rest of the story?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

God, I can't wait until this city burns to the ground. Nothing but opportunists.

How many white people rioted after OJ was found not guilty?

Maybe they are just helping with redevelopment.

 

[Doug B]

Again, just based on the "damning" evidence there is more than enough to indict. I wonder if a normal suspect gets this kind of treatment from a prosecutor, or do they get the indictment first, and then figure out the rest of the story?

 

[culdeus]

I assume more information will come about surrounding this case regardless of the grand jury's decision (e.g. forensic reports). Seems foolish to make up one's mind now without access to the same information the grand jury has in front of it.

Let's also keep in mind that there are two different issues involved here. There's the shooting itself, which none of us are well-placed to evaluate. And then there's the police response in the aftermath, which we all saw and should agree was deplorable. Even if the shooting was 100% justified, the police department would still deserve all sorts of criticism for the way that they handled journalists and peaceful protestors.

The prosecutor has stated that he is presenting all available evidence and will make the transcripts available should there be no indictment.

Will they be time stamped? I wonder how much stalling there was.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I also know that if I was a member of the black community in Ferguson and witnessed the behavior of the police over the last month (and to a lesser extent over the last decade or more) I wouldn't believe a word I hear from law enforcement going forward, including what they say about the incident and about whether the investigators and prosecuting attorney did their jobs well. Unfortunately that ship sailed a long time ago.

Well, then the ship has also sailed on meaningful change in that community long ago. The cycle of distrust has to be decisively interrupted, and it's no more than 50% on the police force/prosecutors office to do so. The community has to accept the other 50%.

Otherwise, the "we don't trust you" game can be cynically played forever.

The distrust could have been significantly reduced in this particular case if the police had been accessible and forthright with the community immediately instead of closing up ranks. They treated the community as their adversary instead of the people they are supposed to protect and serve.