Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (4 Viewers)

[Henry Ford]

Jesus..listening to these people waiting outside....my god. It is convict him on 1st degree murder or bust.

In the meantime it seems autopsy reports and ballistics of Brown support the officers account of what happened.

I also don't believe he shot a man holding his hands up to surrender. I just don't. There was a clear struggle and this kid completely endangered himself by assaulting a police officer and reaching to take his gun. I think we have some people lying through their teeth or claiming to see what they want to see.

No indictment is forth coming. I gotta believe that. I also believe in law enforcement far more than someone who apparently shoplifted moments before this happened and I understand he was cited for jay walking and it was unrelated to the crime he had just committed but once the officer realized he had the suspect things went bad. This kid was no angel. He was shot 6 times. This officer feared for his own life and this was an act of heavy aggression towards an officer of the law.

Your going to get shot when you assault a police officer.

From Wikipedia:

At 11:51 a.m. on August 9, 2014, a convenience store security camera captured video of Brown taking a $48 box of cigars.[21] A police dispatcher reported a "stealing in progress" at 11:53, and at 11:57 dispatch said the suspect was wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks, and khaki shorts, and was accompanied by another man. At noon, Wilson radioed to ask other officers searching for the thieves if they needed him and was told by dispatch that the suspects had disappeared.[22]

At 12:01 p.m., Wilson drove up to Brown and Johnson in the middle of Canfield Drive and ordered them to move off the street and onto the sidewalk. Wilson continued driving past the two men, but then backed up and stopped close to them,[13][23][24][25][26] after, according to Wilson,[27] realizing that Brown matched the description of the robbery suspect. Dispatch recordings indicate that Wilson called for backup at 12:02, saying "[unit] 21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car."[22]

A struggle then took place between Brown and Wilson through the window of the police SUV, a Chevrolet Tahoe.[28] Wilson's gun was fired twice during the struggle, with one bullet hitting Brown's arm while it was inside the vehicle.[28] Brown and Johnson fled and Johnson hid behind a car.[29] Wilson got out of the vehicle and pursued Brown. At some point, Wilson fired his gun again, with at least six shots striking Brown in the front,[13] fatally wounding him. Brown was unarmed.[28][30]

Less than 90 seconds passed from the time Wilson encountered Brown to the time of Brown's death.[3][31]

Most of this comes from the officer's own narrative. Footnote 28- the only cite here to the account of the "struggle"- is an article relaying the officer's account to investigators.

This has really shaken my faith in Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject, so you know you are getting the best possible information.- Michael Scott

Or you can watch CNN...whats the difference?

I don't think this guy writes CNN's copy.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Serious question: has any forensic evidence supported an indictment of Officer Wilson?

Other than the bullet(s) from his gun hitting Brown at distance?

Oh so that means the officer killed him...cold blood right? He should just wait for him to get right up on him and tackle him and take his gun and shoot him with it...right?

GTFOH.

Brown was a felon at the time of his death, yet the media and people protesting have deemed him a saint. I suspect the shooting was 100% justified and done in self-defense.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Serious question: has any forensic evidence supported an indictment of Officer Wilson?

Other than the bullet(s) from his gun hitting Brown at distance?

Oh so that means the officer killed him...cold blood right? He should just wait for him to get right up on him and tackle him and take his gun and shoot him with it...right?

GTFOH.

Brown was a felon at the time of his death, yet the media and people protesting have deemed him a saint. I suspect the shooting was 100% justified and done in self-defense.

And Wilson was a lying cop with angry authoritarian tendencies, yet the media and people (including law enforcement, the people who should be more concerned with justice than PR) have deemed him a saint. In fact the Ferguson PD lied and said that's not him on the video threatening that guy even though police records confirm that it is.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

So they are going to release as the sun goes down? What could go wrong?

 

[Todem]

So they are going to release as the sun goes down? What could go wrong?

Brilliant right?

 

[Henry Ford]

So they are going to release as the sun goes down? What could go wrong?

The sun might be late going down, and some of the police brutality could be caught on camera in full light?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Serious question: has any forensic evidence supported an indictment of Officer Wilson?

Other than the bullet(s) from his gun hitting Brown at distance?

The shots to the front of the body are not necessarily indicative of foul play on the part of the officer.

They are not proof - but that is not what you asked. They are evidence that could support an indictment of Officer Wilson. Proof is for trial.

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

 

[scottybo]

So some idiot has crap written all over their car. Something about File Transfer Protocol? No idea.

 

[timschochet]

Serious question: has any forensic evidence supported an indictment of Officer Wilson?

Other than the bullet(s) from his gun hitting Brown at distance?

The shots to the front of the body are not necessarily indicative of foul play on the part of the officer.

They are not proof - but that is not what you asked. They are evidence that could support an indictment of Officer Wilson. Proof is for trial.

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

When you put it like that, he probably SHOULD be indicted.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Serious question: has any forensic evidence supported an indictment of Officer Wilson?

Other than the bullet(s) from his gun hitting Brown at distance?

The shots to the front of the body are not necessarily indicative of foul play on the part of the officer.

They are not proof - but that is not what you asked. They are evidence that could support an indictment of Officer Wilson. Proof is for trial.

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

When you put it like that, he probably SHOULD be indicted.

Thats kind of my point - there is enough evidence to support an indictment. Does not mean there is enough evidence to convict. It does seem like the prosecutor is treating the grand jury as more of a trial jury - putting all the evidence there for them to decide guilt of innocence. I am guessing the average subject of a potential indictment does not get that kind of treatment.

I think the prosecutor looked at the totality of the evidence, and thought there was not enough to convict but if he (she?) made that call, it would be a nightmare - so they put everything to the grand jury - not trying to indict, just asking the grand jury to weigh all the evidence and make that call.

 

[GoBirds]

So they are going to release as the sun goes down? What could go wrong?

Brilliant right?

This will not end well.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Serious question: has any forensic evidence supported an indictment of Officer Wilson?

Other than the bullet(s) from his gun hitting Brown at distance?

The shots to the front of the body are not necessarily indicative of foul play on the part of the officer.

They are not proof - but that is not what you asked. They are evidence that could support an indictment of Officer Wilson. Proof is for trial.

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

When you put it like that, he probably SHOULD be indicted.

Thats kind of my point - there is enough evidence to support an indictment. Does not mean there is enough evidence to convict. It does seem like the prosecutor is treating the grand jury as more of a trial jury - putting all the evidence there for them to decide guilt of innocence. I am guessing the average subject of a potential indictment does not get that kind of treatment.

I think the prosecutor looked at the totality of the evidence, and thought there was not enough to convict but if he (she?) made that call, it would be a nightmare - so they put everything to the grand jury - not trying to indict, just asking the grand jury to weigh all the evidence and make that call.

Yup, this is really weird. Grand juries are often virtually rubber stamp type proceedings, to the point where many people think it's a waste of time. Basically if the prosecutor wants an indictment he gets one. That's why this is gonna be like throwing a match into a tank of gasoline, especially after all the obviously political leaks and the chummy relationship between the prosecutor and the police unions/Wilson defenders

 

[kentric]

Serious question: has any forensic evidence supported an indictment of Officer Wilson?

Other than the bullet(s) from his gun hitting Brown at distance?

The shots to the front of the body are not necessarily indicative of foul play on the part of the officer.

They are not proof - but that is not what you asked. They are evidence that could support an indictment of Officer Wilson. Proof is for trial.

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

Are you sure that is all they are required to provide for an indictment or is this just your view? If the former and he is acquitted, then you can be assured that either reasonable distance is not within 3-5 feet or, there was sufficient witness testimony corroborating Wilson's testimony (testimony as we understand it).

 

[Doug B]

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

Am I musremembering, or wasn't there a recent leak that witnesses only told this to media and police on the scene? That no one testified this to the grand jury?

 

[timschochet]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

 

[jonessed]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

Exactly. Who cares about the Grand Jury? Any evidence presented to them is irrelevant. There needs to be a trial to satisfy the protestors. End of story.

 

[avoiding injuries]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

And I can see a threat of violence occurring if it goes to trial and he's not found guilty. Anything short of a murder conviction, no matter where along the process it happens, will piss a lot of people off. Do you change the protocol because of this?

 

[TobiasFunke]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

And I can see a threat of violence occurring if it goes to trial and he's not found guilty. Anything short of a murder conviction, no matter where along the process it happens, will piss a lot of people off.Do you change the protocol because of this?

It wouldn't come close IMO. An innocent verdict in a trial that's documented by media, is a matter of public record , and whose result is determined by jury is totally different than a failure to indict in a secretive process whose result is largely determined by law enforcement (yes there's a jury but by all accounts a prosecutor can always get a grand jury indictment if they want one).

 

[Sinn Fein]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

And I can see a threat of violence occurring if it goes to trial and he's not found guilty. Anything short of a murder conviction, no matter where along the process it happens, will piss a lot of people off.Do you change the protocol because of this?

I don't think its quite that clean cut - at least at a trial, the evidence is presented in open court, and everyone has a better chance to evaluate the evidence/witness testimony.

Having said all that - we are still talking about a citizen's life here - he should not be put on trial just to sate the public's appetite for answers. Its a quandary - but one where all potential defendants should be treated equally - and thus leads to the point of many protesters - justice is not blind, and not everyone is treated equally in the justice system.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

I don't. The whole point of having a criminal justice system is to remove mob rule from the picture. If a grand jury finds that there's no grounds for an indictment, then he shouldn't be indicted no matter who thinks otherwise. If there are grounds for indictment, then he should be indicted no matter what the good folks at Fox News think. I'm fine either way. The only bad decision is one based on political considerations as opposed to the evidence.

 

[lod01]

The excitement is building. Riots are guaranteed since the verdict will not be 1st degree.

 

[timschochet]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

I don't. The whole point of having a criminal justice system is to remove mob rule from the picture. If a grand jury finds that there's no grounds for an indictment, then he shouldn't be indicted no matter who thinks otherwise. If there are grounds for indictment, then he should be indicted no matter what the good folks at Fox News think. I'm fine either way. The only bad decision is one based on political considerations as opposed to the evidence.

You're absolutely correct- in theory. But this is the real world.

I know you and many others think that George Zimmerman was indicted for political purposes. And that's possibly true. But consider: Zimmerman went through a trial, was found not guilty, and there was no major rioting. Why? Because he was at least put on trial. Had Zimmerman not been indicted, I am almost 100% positive there would have been devastating riots.

I think we are seeing a similar situation here. If Wilson goes to trial, and is not convicted, I don't think there will be any rioting. But if Wilson is not indicted...

It may be mob rule, somewhat, but I have to admit at this point I am partly hoping that Wilson gets indicted. I have no idea if he's guilty. Based on what I know, I could never vote to convict him. But at least if he goes to trial that will be viewed as a just outcome, and there will be peace, which the town of Ferguson deserves.

 

[lod01]

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

Am I musremembering, or wasn't there a recent leak that witnesses only told this to media and police on the scene? That no one testified this to the grand jury?

You get these clowns in a controlled environment and grill them as to what really happened and there is no way their stories can sync up. They are either forced to tell the real story or they are discarded when their stories don't add up. The riots will be instantaneous upon announcement of the finding. Then once they witness accounts are released in the findings, the rioters will again look around wanting someone else to rebuild what they destroyed. And of course, don't forget the screams of a cover up and witless intimidation. Those will be entertaining.

 

[TobiasFunke]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

I don't. The whole point of having a criminal justice system is to remove mob rule from the picture. If a grand jury finds that there's no grounds for an indictment, then he shouldn't be indicted no matter who thinks otherwise. If there are grounds for indictment, then he should be indicted no matter what the good folks at Fox News think. I'm fine either way. The only bad decision is one based on political considerations as opposed to the evidence.

The problem is that grand juries are one-sided affairs that don't present all of the evidence for consideration like you see at a trial. In most cases that's not a problem since the accused and the prosecutor are on opposite sides so you can trust that the prosecutor is doing what he can to get an indictment. Here, however, the accused and the prosecutor are on the same side- law enforcement.

 

[Sand]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

So can I. If I don't see a death penalty verdict I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

Because you don't understand how the justice system works either?

 

[timschochet]

To get an indictment:

Evidence that Wilson shot Brown, that the fatal shots were of some reasonable distance, plus witness testimony that Brown was surrendering.

Am I musremembering, or wasn't there a recent leak that witnesses only told this to media and police on the scene? That no one testified this to the grand jury?

You get these clowns in a controlled environment and grill them as to what really happened and there is no way their stories can sync up. They are either forced to tell the real story or they are discarded when their stories don't add up. The riots will be instantaneous upon announcement of the finding. Then once they witness accounts are released in the findings, the rioters will again look around wanting someone else to rebuild what they destroyed. And of course, don't forget the screams of a cover up and witless intimidation. Those will be entertaining.

Maybe. But none of that should be happening before a grand jury. There shouldn't be any cross-examination. If there is at least one witness to testify that Brown surrendered, that should be enough. In fact, there shouldn't really be ANY contradictory witnesses appearing at all.

As Sinn Fein pointed out: one forensics guy to state that Wilson fired his gun at a distance, one police officer to state that Michael Brown was shot, and one witness to state that Brown raised his hands and surrendered. That's it. Should take a couple of hours, and Wilson should be indicted. You don't need all of these other witnesses. You don't need to hear Wilson's story. You don't need to waste time on any of that, it will all come out at trial. The Grand Jury should have met on this for a half a day and then indicted Wilson. I don't understand why it's taken so long, and I don't understand why they feel the need to hear ALL of the evidence.

 

[GoBirds]

The excitement is building. Riots are guaranteed since the verdict will not be 1st degree.

Is there any outcome where there wont be riots tonight? What an ugly situation.

 

[timschochet]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

Because you don't understand how the justice system works either?

My assumption would be that the justice system works differently when the person that might be indicted is a member of law enforcement. As Tobias suggested, I'm wondering if this prosecutor really wants to indict. And if he doesn't, what a cowardly way to go about it- make the grand jury take all the heat.

 

[TobiasFunke]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

Because you don't understand how the justice system works either?

There seems to be a lot of that going around here. Indictments aren't trials.

Imagine if a person was accused of insider trading and the prosecutor was in-house counsel at a brokerage firm and you get a closer picture of the dynamic at work here.

 

[tdoss]

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

There aren't places like that in STL County anymore. A lot of black people have worked hard to get a better life for them and their children, which is awesome.

The Washington Post had an article this weekend about white and black neighborhoods. The article said that the majority of whites in St. Louis County continue to live in "white neighborhoods" (a neighborhood defined as 85+% white). The article noted that St. Louis County's percentage of white neighborhoods is greater than the other urban metro areas they analyzed. Oddly, the Post describes this as a worse situation than county's with a lower percentage of white neighborhoods.

ARTICLE

Over the past 20 years, whites and blacks have experienced opposite trends in segregation. Asians, Hispanics and blacks are moving into historically white neighborhoods. Vastly fewer whites live surrounded by just other white people. Whites look around and see multi-ethnic neighbors. They perceive expanded opportunity and integration because that is what they see. And they think everyone else is experiencing the same things.

But a Washington Post analysis of Census data shows that the experience in historically African American neighborhoods of major cities has been far different, as they have remained heavily isolated. Whites, Asians and Hispanics are not moving into those neighborhoods, and blacks who remain there experience persistent segregation.

Indeed, nearly all-white neighborhoods in big cities are now virtually extinct. Nearly all-black neighborhoods, on the other hand, are still commonplace.

National Trend

In the county's 100 largest cities, blacks and whites two decades ago were equally likely to live in neighborhoods where more than 85 percent of their neighbors looked like them.

St. Louis City and County, Mo.

The trend is worse in St. Louis city and county, including Ferguson. In the city, the share of whites living in nearly all-white areas dropped from 64 percent to 29 percent. But for blacks, that number dropped from 69 percent only to 54 percent. Large (blue) segregated zones remain.

In the surrounding county, the number of predominantly black neighborhoods (shown in blue) expanded significantly. The population grew and the share of African Americans living in segregation increased from 16 percent to 29 percent. Meanwhile, a majority of whites in the county still live in all-white enclaves, a far worse situation than in Cook County.

MAP

And Spike Lee would like to keep it that way...while he went on his, "stay out of my neighborhood, whitey" press junket.

But the NBA is happy to continue their relationship with him while forcing a white owner to sell for being racist.

The world is a crazy place sometimes.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

Because you don't understand how the justice system works either?

There seems to be a lot of that going around here. Indictments aren't trials.

Imagine if a person was accused of insider trading and the prosecutor was in-house counsel at a brokerage firm and you get a closer picture of the dynamic at work here.

I do?

 

[seahawk 17]

The family of Michael Brown is asking for four and a half minutes of silence before protests begin.

The time period is a reference to the approximately four hours Michael Brown's body lay in the street after he was shot. (CNN)

Brown family seems to be adding fuel to the fire.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I heard State Senator Jamilah Nasheed being interviewed on the radio today. She was arrested "protesting" with a gun but was released without being charged despite being drunk and not having her CC license on her. Hilarious to hear her say the system is rigged.

Anyhow, in the interview she said that if the GJ doesn't find Wilson guilty she hopes for peace. She also said she was going to review statues, instead of statutes three times. How does a moron like this get elected?

No matter what the decision is, things are going to be terrible I fear. If they don't indict, the system is rigged, if they do indict, see t Wilson murdered him. Be safe my fellow St. Louisans.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

That census data showed Ferguson was a white neighborhood by any definition not too long ago.

There aren't places like that in STL County anymore. A lot of black people have worked hard to get a better life for them and their children, which is awesome.

The Washington Post had an article this weekend about white and black neighborhoods. The article said that the majority of whites in St. Louis County continue to live in "white neighborhoods" (a neighborhood defined as 85+% white). The article noted that St. Louis County's percentage of white neighborhoods is greater than the other urban metro areas they analyzed. Oddly, the Post describes this as a worse situation than county's with a lower percentage of white neighborhoods.

ARTICLE

Over the past 20 years, whites and blacks have experienced opposite trends in segregation. Asians, Hispanics and blacks are moving into historically white neighborhoods. Vastly fewer whites live surrounded by just other white people. Whites look around and see multi-ethnic neighbors. They perceive expanded opportunity and integration because that is what they see. And they think everyone else is experiencing the same things.

But a Washington Post analysis of Census data shows that the experience in historically African American neighborhoods of major cities has been far different, as they have remained heavily isolated. Whites, Asians and Hispanics are not moving into those neighborhoods, and blacks who remain there experience persistent segregation.

Indeed, nearly all-white neighborhoods in big cities are now virtually extinct. Nearly all-black neighborhoods, on the other hand, are still commonplace.

National Trend

In the county's 100 largest cities, blacks and whites two decades ago were equally likely to live in neighborhoods where more than 85 percent of their neighbors looked like them.

St. Louis City and County, Mo.

The trend is worse in St. Louis city and county, including Ferguson. In the city, the share of whites living in nearly all-white areas dropped from 64 percent to 29 percent. But for blacks, that number dropped from 69 percent only to 54 percent. Large (blue) segregated zones remain.

In the surrounding county, the number of predominantly black neighborhoods (shown in blue) expanded significantly. The population grew and the share of African Americans living in segregation increased from 16 percent to 29 percent. Meanwhile, a majority of whites in the county still live in all-white enclaves, a far worse situation than in Cook County.

MAP

And Spike Lee would like to keep it that way...while he went on his, "stay out of my neighborhood, whitey" press junket.

But the NBA is happy to continue their relationship with him while forcing a white owner to sell for being racist.

The world is a crazy place sometimes.

His map doesn't prove anything anyway. The orange part in the 2010 has a very low population of people compared to the rest of it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

It seems to be an odd dynamic - the police and national guard presence seems to be inviting (violent) protests, yet, if that presence was not there, local and state governments would be roundly criticized for not doing more to protect the public. Pretty much a no-win situation for the government here.

 

[GrandpaRox]

Locked and loaded, ready to go out and celebrate with ice cream after he is let off.

 

[Widbil83]

Jesus..listening to these people waiting outside....my god. It is convict him on 1st degree murder or bust.

In the meantime it seems autopsy reports and ballistics of Brown support the officers account of what happened.

I also don't believe he shot a man holding his hands up to surrender. I just don't. There was a clear struggle and this kid completely endangered himself by assaulting a police officer and reaching to take his gun. I think we have some people lying through their teeth or claiming to see what they want to see.

No indictment is forth coming. I gotta believe that. I also believe in law enforcement far more than someone who apparently shoplifted moments before this happened and I understand he was cited for jay walking and it was unrelated to the crime he had just committed but once the officer realized he had the suspect things went bad. This kid was no angel. He was shot 6 times. This officer feared for his own life and this was an act of heavy aggression towards an officer of the law.

Your going to get shot when you assault a police officer.

From Wikipedia:

At 11:51 a.m. on August 9, 2014, a convenience store security camera captured video of Brown taking a $48 box of cigars.[21] A police dispatcher reported a "stealing in progress" at 11:53, and at 11:57 dispatch said the suspect was wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks, and khaki shorts, and was accompanied by another man. At noon, Wilson radioed to ask other officers searching for the thieves if they needed him and was told by dispatch that the suspects had disappeared.[22]

At 12:01 p.m., Wilson drove up to Brown and Johnson in the middle of Canfield Drive and ordered them to move off the street and onto the sidewalk. Wilson continued driving past the two men, but then backed up and stopped close to them,[13][23][24][25][26] after, according to Wilson,[27] realizing that Brown matched the description of the robbery suspect. Dispatch recordings indicate that Wilson called for backup at 12:02, saying "[unit] 21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car."[22]

A struggle then took place between Brown and Wilson through the window of the police SUV, a Chevrolet Tahoe.[28] Wilson's gun was fired twice during the struggle, with one bullet hitting Brown's arm while it was inside the vehicle.[28] Brown and Johnson fled and Johnson hid behind a car.[29] Wilson got out of the vehicle and pursued Brown. At some point, Wilson fired his gun again, with at least six shots striking Brown in the front,[13] fatally wounding him. Brown was unarmed.[28][30]

Less than 90 seconds passed from the time Wilson encountered Brown to the time of Brown's death.[3][31]

Most of this comes from the officer's own narrative. Footnote 28- the only cite here to the account of the "struggle"- is an article relaying the officer's account to investigators.

Brown's blood was found inside the police vehicle.Ballistics show a close range gunshot wound to Brown's hand.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/justice/ferguson-michael-brown-autopsy/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Also, the autopsy did not support shots into Brown's back, nor did it conclude Brown had his hands raised in surrender

Yet I'm watching CNN and two guests in the last 10 minutes have said he had his hands up. Did Wolf Blitzer interrupt or say anything? Of course not.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And that's also why there's going to be a lot of people pissed off. They're going to say, "It's one thing to have a trial and for Wilson to be found not guilty, but NOT EVEN TO HAVE A TRIAL? What kind of #### is that???"

And I can see their point.

I don't. The whole point of having a criminal justice system is to remove mob rule from the picture. If a grand jury finds that there's no grounds for an indictment, then he shouldn't be indicted no matter who thinks otherwise. If there are grounds for indictment, then he should be indicted no matter what the good folks at Fox News think. I'm fine either way. The only bad decision is one based on political considerations as opposed to the evidence.

The problem is that grand juries are one-sided affairs that don't present all of the evidence for consideration like you see at a trial. In most cases that's not a problem since the accused and the prosecutor are on opposite sides so you can trust that the prosecutor is doing what he can to get an indictment. Here, however, the accused and the prosecutor are on the same side- law enforcement.

That's fair enough. If the record shows that the prosecutor soft-pedaled this, then that raises its own issue. We'll find that out in the next several days (if there's no indictment).

For what it's worth, I have a philosophical problem with several aspects of grand juries (no attorneys present, gag orders, general secrecy, etc). Regardless of how this shakes out, the public deserves full knowledge of what was presented to the grand jury and how.

 

[Sand]

The family of Michael Brown is asking for four and a half minutes of silence before protests begin.

The time period is a reference to the approximately four hours Michael Brown's body lay in the street after he was shot. (CNN)

Brown family seems to be adding fuel to the fire.

I'll abstain from saying the Brown family is adding fuel to the fire, and I do feel sorry for their loss. But if the man who retrieved Michael Brown's body is to be believed, than the Brown's know, or at least should know, that the longer than usual legth of time to remove Brown's body was due to extenuating circumstances and not some perceived police disrespect.

Actually the police were not allowed to touch the body until the ME got there. So this had absolutely nothing to do with disrespect from the police side. They were protecting a crime scene.

Amazing how this has blown up over proper (and very logical) procedure.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Announcement at 8pm CST. Go have dinner with your families and give your spouse and kids an extra hug and kiss.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Announcement at 8pm CST. Go have dinner with your families and give your spouse and kids an extra hug and kiss.

Climby has a garage or shed or something he can get to, right?

 

[Todem]

I heard State Senator Jamilah Nasheed being interviewed on the radio today. She was arrested "protesting" with a gun but was released without being charged despite being drunk and not having her CC license on her. Hilarious to hear her say the system is rigged.

Anyhow, in the interview she said that if the GJ doesn't find Wilson guilty she hopes for peace. She also said she was going to review statues, instead of statutes three times. How does a moron like this get elected?

No matter what the decision is, things are going to be terrible I fear. If they don't indict, the system is rigged, if they do indict, see t Wilson murdered him. Be safe my fellow St. Louisans.

Morons like to elect their own kind.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Announcement at 8pm CST. Go have dinner with your families and give your spouse and kids an extra hug and kiss.

Climby has a garage or shed or something he can get to, right?

Climby is like the angel of death, he hides from nobody.

 

[Native]

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[Jayrod]

Announcement at 8pm CST. Go have dinner with your families and give your spouse and kids an extra hug and kiss.

Its been 10 years since I lived in St Peters, but still have a lot of friends and family in the area. Praying for peace for you guys, SLB.

 

[fantasycurse42]

She also said she was going to review statues, instead of statutes three times. How does a moron like this get elected? .

. I always review my statues

The answer to your question is pretty simple, people are stupid.

 

[tdoss]

I hate negotiating with terrorists but I hope they indict so we can hopefully escape seeing Ferguson And possibly other areas burn.

This has become a horrible slow moving train towards a broken bridge...

 

[tommyGunZ]

Locked and loaded, ready to go out and celebrate with ice cream after he is let off.

Got the white hoodie ready to go?

 

[Sinn Fein]

So they are going to release as the sun goes down? What could go wrong?

Brilliant right?

This will not end well.

My guess is the state officials wanted to give everyone who works in St. Louis, Ferguson, or wherever in that vicinity, time to leave work, get home with their loved ones, and lock the door. It would be a true mess if they announced the decision during the work day, the rioting started, and commuters were getting attacked like happened during the L.A. Riot.

There are going to be some very disappointed posters in here tonight.