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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (9 Viewers)

why do people get SO mad at looting? I guess its the visual.

Some people see some Captain Morgan and a George Foreman grill walk out the door and spiral into deep rage.

Who cares?

 
“And I have to tell you, this is St. Louis’s race war. We didn’t have a race war like other cities throughout the country. This is our race war. And people have to be open, and they have to be honest. And they have to earnest. And they have not been earnest for decades. I know people in my own party, in my own government structure who disregard things that we say, and how we feel. And we are not going to allow it anymore.”

-- Missouri State Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal (D)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/missouri-state-senator-to-msnbc-this-is-our-race-war/
Yeah....those comments are pretty loony. I am sure you will not see any of our resident lib defenders calling them out like they do when a tea partier says something stupid since there is a (D) after her name.

 
:rolleyes:

Looting and rioting is terrible and indefensible. But it's ridiculous to conclude that the population doesn't care about its community just because a few terrible people act like idiots and trash the place. Do people in New Hampshire not care about their community? San Francisco? Vancouver? Southern California?
Interesting that you bring these stories up as "comparisons".

In New Hampshire, the link you posted references "college students". Did you go to college in your home town? I sure didn't.

The next two are sports related incidents. Are all spots fan's residence of the favorite team's city? I'm a Redskins fan but live about 2 hours from their stadium.

I followed the last link, in Huntington beach - a surfing competition where a bunch of teenagers and 20 some year olds rioted. The link tells you where those arrested are from. Only 1 of the 7 are from where the rioting took place. Thus you again can't ask if they don't care about their community - as 6 out of the 7 didn't riot in their own community - just like the other situations you referenced.

Now I'm not saying all those who are rioting now in Missouri are from there, but I would imagine most of them don't live too far away.
I have no idea about the geographical makeup of either the looters last night or the people who trashed cars and buses and started fires in SF after the Giants won the World Series. Doesn't really matter- my point was that it's ridiculous to assume an entire community doesn't care about its well-being just because you see rioting and looting.
My point is that it's ridiculous to assume that all the rioters and looters are from that community. We see that in New Hampshire, that's not the case, nor was it in So Cal, and it likely wasn't the case in either of the sports situation you posted. Once we start hearing where the now 36 and counting arrested individuals from Fergueson are from, we'll know better.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.

 
I was really pissed off at the looters last night (still am) and used words like scum and animals to describe them. What really bothered me was not just the fact that they were ruining things for the vast majority of peaceful protestors, but that this was not spontaneous: these ####ers knew what was going to happen and were eager to take advantage of it. That's why so many wore masks.

But some of the rhetoric here is way over the top. We need to keep a little perspective. It would be more accurate to say that the looters were normal people who chose to act like thugs, scum, animals, etc. If caught they should be prosecuted for their crimes. But they don't deserve to die.
Sorry tim, you are correct but you forfeited the right to chastise folks on over the top rhetoric last night.
Maybe. I still don't see why it's wrong to label looters as animals and scum.
 
I was really pissed off at the looters last night (still am) and used words like scum and animals to describe them. What really bothered me was not just the fact that they were ruining things for the vast majority of peaceful protestors, but that this was not spontaneous: these ####ers knew what was going to happen and were eager to take advantage of it. That's why so many wore masks.

But some of the rhetoric here is way over the top. We need to keep a little perspective. It would be more accurate to say that the looters were normal people who chose to act like thugs, scum, animals, etc. If caught they should be prosecuted for their crimes. But they don't deserve to die.
Sorry tim, you are correct but you forfeited the right to chastise folks on over the top rhetoric last night.
Maybe. I still don't see why it's wrong to label looters as animals and scum.
You can bridge the gap from animals to killing fairly easy.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
you think 75% of black kids who get stopped by a white cop would get into a punching match?
 
A few things I think I'm pretty sure about...

1. Relations between cops and the African American community are not good (whether cops target poor blacks or that is simply perception from the black community I don't really know)

2. This shooting, this cop, this victim, this set of facts - not the most compelling proof of a police conspiracy to target young black men

3. Prosecutor and police are relatively tone deaf and contribute to the issue

4. Grand jury proceedings was all for show - prosecutor didn't want an indictment

5. If this went to trial there's no way Wilson is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt

6. The looters are scum but are not reflective of the Ferguson community

7. This reaction will only cause to confirm in many white peoples minds that poor blacks are 'others'
I think 5 explains 4.. Prosecutor knew, based on the evidence he had, that a conviction wasn't possible.

:shrug:

 
Jackstraw said:
timschochet said:
Ditka Butkus said:
These looter types are feral, and all you can do with something feral is spay or neuter them and throw them back on the streets, knowing at least they can't breed anymore.
wtf? Some bizarre comments here.
Classic dehumanization. Once people are less than human you can do or say about anything and its cool.

Lot of it going around the innerwebs today.
To be fair, lots of individuals did their best impersonation of something less than human down there.

 
I was really pissed off at the looters last night (still am) and used words like scum and animals to describe them. What really bothered me was not just the fact that they were ruining things for the vast majority of peaceful protestors, but that this was not spontaneous: these ####ers knew what was going to happen and were eager to take advantage of it. That's why so many wore masks.

But some of the rhetoric here is way over the top. We need to keep a little perspective. It would be more accurate to say that the looters were normal people who chose to act like thugs, scum, animals, etc. If caught they should be prosecuted for their crimes. But they don't deserve to die.
Sorry tim, you are correct but you forfeited the right to chastise folks on over the top rhetoric last night.
Maybe. I still don't see why it's wrong to label looters as animals and scum.
You can bridge the gap from animals to killing fairly easy.
i guess if you're that literal.
 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Who does or does not 'deserve to die'? How do you decide that? I would say that Brown's actions are congruent with that of any bat - #### crazy person who risks his life doing something really stupid. If you attack a cop and have your hand on his gun, I would say that is grounds for being shot and if you are getting shot there is a pretty good chance you will be dead.

 
whoknew said:
Ditka Butkus said:
Jackstraw said:
timschochet said:
Ditka Butkus said:
These looter types are feral, and all you can do with something feral is spay or neuter them and throw them back on the streets, knowing at least they can't breed anymore.
wtf? Some bizarre comments here.
Classic dehumanization. Once people are less than human you can do or say about anything and its cool.Lot of it going around the innerwebs today.
You're right, maybe we can sit down with them and ask them why they steal from and vandalize other peoples property...Maybe if we understood their mindset, things like this would never happen again.
I'm guessing you are saying this sarcastically, but I'm not sure why. That's exactly what should happen.
:lmao:

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Who does or does not 'deserve to die'? How do you decide that? I would say that Brown's actions are congruent with that of any bat - #### crazy person who risks his life doing something really stupid. If you attack a cop and have your hand on his gun, I would say that is grounds for being shot and if you are getting shot there is a pretty good chance you will be dead.
I don't know if he deserved to die but it sounds like he certainly didn't do anything to try and prevent it from happening.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
you think 75% of black kids who get stopped by a white cop would get into a punching match?
I think they would resist the commands. How they physically react may be different, but there is an inherent disrespect for white authority, so I don't think how he acted would not be that uncommon. Maybe 75% is too high, but I think the number would be a lot higher than most people would expect.

 
I was really pissed off at the looters last night (still am) and used words like scum and animals to describe them. What really bothered me was not just the fact that they were ruining things for the vast majority of peaceful protestors, but that this was not spontaneous: these ####ers knew what was going to happen and were eager to take advantage of it. That's why so many wore masks.

But some of the rhetoric here is way over the top. We need to keep a little perspective. It would be more accurate to say that the looters were normal people who chose to act like thugs, scum, animals, etc. If caught they should be prosecuted for their crimes. But they don't deserve to die.
Sorry tim, you are correct but you forfeited the right to chastise folks on over the top rhetoric last night.
Maybe. I still don't see why it's wrong to label looters as animals and scum.
As a prosecutor I am not allowed to compare the actions of defendants to that of an animal, more less to call them one directly. Doing so would be cause for a mistrial and potentially for censuring by the State Supreme Court. Not that rules of comportment in our courts are necessarily analogous to how we behave elsewhere, or why. I just thought it worth posting.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Who does or does not 'deserve to die'? How do you decide that? I would say that Brown's actions are congruent with that of any bat - #### crazy person who risks his life doing something really stupid. If you attack a cop and have your hand on his gun, I would say that is grounds for being shot and if you are getting shot there is a pretty good chance you will be dead.
The point is that the protestors aren't convinced it went down like that. More importantly, Brown wasn't killed when he was struggling for a gun. He wasn't shot dead at close quarters.
 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
you think 75% of black kids who get stopped by a white cop would get into a punching match?
I think they would resist the commands. How they physically react may be different, but there is an inherent disrespect for white authority, so I don't think how he acted would not be that uncommon. Maybe 75% is too high, but I think the number would be a lot higher than most people would expect.
I think the number is about 74% too high.

Out of curiosity, what is the basis for your conclusion? Do you interact with a lot of young black people in your work or your community?

 
I found it interesting that Brown's mother was out with the looters and when she heard the decision not to indict that she broke down. The reason I found it interesting was not that she broke down (which is completely understandable), but that this was likely the first time she heard the result. Prior to the Prosecutor's presentation, they indicated that the family would be notified prior to the public presentation. So that either means one of three things:

1. the family was not told;

2. the mother was advised and wanted a public display of her grief (which would be strange that she would go through it twice);

3. the mother wanted to be with the people who supported her through this event and therefore did not want to hear the decision beforehand.

Hopefully it was #3.

 
I was really pissed off at the looters last night (still am) and used words like scum and animals to describe them. What really bothered me was not just the fact that they were ruining things for the vast majority of peaceful protestors, but that this was not spontaneous: these ####ers knew what was going to happen and were eager to take advantage of it. That's why so many wore masks.

But some of the rhetoric here is way over the top. We need to keep a little perspective. It would be more accurate to say that the looters were normal people who chose to act like thugs, scum, animals, etc. If caught they should be prosecuted for their crimes. But they don't deserve to die.
Sorry tim, you are correct but you forfeited the right to chastise folks on over the top rhetoric last night.
Maybe. I still don't see why it's wrong to label looters as animals and scum.
As a prosecutor I am not allowed to compare the actions of defendants to that of an animal, more less to call them one directly. Doing so would be cause for a mistrial and potentially for censuring by the State Supreme Court. Not that rules of comportment in our courts are necessarily analogous to how we behave elsewhere, or why. I just thought it worth posting.
i think that rule is proper. But this is a message board, so I have the freedom to write what I think without that kind of necessary restriction.
 
Ditka Butkus said:
Jackstraw said:
Ditka Butkus said:
Jackstraw said:
timschochet said:
Ditka Butkus said:
These looter types are feral, and all you can do with something feral is spay or neuter them and throw them back on the streets, knowing at least they can't breed anymore.
wtf? Some bizarre comments here.
Classic dehumanization. Once people are less than human you can do or say about anything and its cool.Lot of it going around the innerwebs today.
You're right, maybe we can sit down with them and ask them why they steal from and vandalize other peoples property...Maybe if we understood their mindset, things like this would never happen again.
I'm not sure what the answer is. Let's pray on it.
I hope you are kidding.
He's mocking religious folks. Which for him it's easier than mocking the sub human garbage we saw last night. Which makes him pretty pathetic.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
you think 75% of black kids who get stopped by a white cop would get into a punching match?
I think they would resist the commands. How they physically react may be different, but there is an inherent disrespect for white authority, so I don't think how he acted would not be that uncommon. Maybe 75% is too high, but I think the number would be a lot higher than most people would expect.
You know, some cops are black.

 
I was really pissed off at the looters last night (still am) and used words like scum and animals to describe them. What really bothered me was not just the fact that they were ruining things for the vast majority of peaceful protestors, but that this was not spontaneous: these ####ers knew what was going to happen and were eager to take advantage of it. That's why so many wore masks.

But some of the rhetoric here is way over the top. We need to keep a little perspective. It would be more accurate to say that the looters were normal people who chose to act like thugs, scum, animals, etc. If caught they should be prosecuted for their crimes. But they don't deserve to die.
Why not? They perpetuated acts of terrorism on their community. They destroyed property and openly fired shots in public. Act like a rabid dog you should get put down and should expect it coming.

There is absolutely no room for this behavior in a civilized society.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Who does or does not 'deserve to die'? How do you decide that? I would say that Brown's actions are congruent with that of any bat - #### crazy person who risks his life doing something really stupid. If you attack a cop and have your hand on his gun, I would say that is grounds for being shot and if you are getting shot there is a pretty good chance you will be dead.
The point is that the protestors aren't convinced it went down like that. More importantly, Brown wasn't killed when he was struggling for a gun. He wasn't shot dead at close quarters.
Even if you had video showing that the officer was within his rights, it wouldn't convince them...It is still a white officer shooting a black man in a black community.

 
why do people get SO mad at looting? I guess its the visual.

Some people see some Captain Morgan and a George Foreman grill walk out the door and spiral into deep rage.

Who cares?
The Captain and the grill won't help you hardcore riot unless you want to throw a riot intermission party. For hardcore rioting you want to loot a weapon like a crossbow...

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/25/watch-it-yes-that-fool-really-did-just-steal-a-crossbow-from-ferguson-pawn-shop-on-live-tv-photos-vine/
Maybe not useful in a riot, but how about the after party? Also, if you can turn a pressure cooker into a bomb who can say what you might do with a George Foreman grill and some Captain Morgan. The grill could be used to give advancing lines of Officers at night a pretty good hotfoot if they failed to see it in the dark, and the Captain Morgan, in a Super Soaker, coupled with a lighter could make a passable flame thrower. Did the Dollar store have knock off Super Soakers and Bic lighters?

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
:o That is pretty much one of the most racist and stupid things I have ever read. I have news for you dude....most black kids do not act like Micheal Brown and are not thugs. Sure, there are a disproportionate amount of poor blacks who subscribe to the 'thug' mentality, but only a very small percentage are so daft that they are willing to engage a police officer in a struggle.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Jackstraw said:
timschochet said:
Ditka Butkus said:
These looter types are feral, and all you can do with something feral is spay or neuter them and throw them back on the streets, knowing at least they can't breed anymore.
wtf? Some bizarre comments here.
Classic dehumanization. Once people are less than human you can do or say about anything and its cool.

Lot of it going around the innerwebs today.
You're right, maybe we can sit down with them and ask them why they steal from and vandalize other peoples property...Maybe if we understood their mindset, things like this would never happen again.
The sad thing is that you're joking.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
Are you saying "normal kids in black America today" rob store and assault store owners?

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
Huh. What??? Please tell me you're fishing.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
you think 75% of black kids who get stopped by a white cop would get into a punching match?
I think they would resist the commands. How they physically react may be different, but there is an inherent disrespect for white authority, so I don't think how he acted would not be that uncommon. Maybe 75% is too high, but I think the number would be a lot higher than most people would expect.
:lmao: You don't say?

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
you think 75% of black kids who get stopped by a white cop would get into a punching match?
I think they would resist the commands. How they physically react may be different, but there is an inherent disrespect for white authority, so I don't think how he acted would not be that uncommon. Maybe 75% is too high, but I think the number would be a lot higher than most people would expect.
I think the number is about 74% too high.

Out of curiosity, what is the basis for your conclusion? Do you interact with a lot of young black people in your work or your community?
You don't believe that there is a common lack of respect for white authority in black youths?

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Who does or does not 'deserve to die'? How do you decide that? I would say that Brown's actions are congruent with that of any bat - #### crazy person who risks his life doing something really stupid. If you attack a cop and have your hand on his gun, I would say that is grounds for being shot and if you are getting shot there is a pretty good chance you will be dead.
The point is that the protestors aren't convinced it went down like that. More importantly, Brown wasn't killed when he was struggling for a gun. He wasn't shot dead at close quarters.
Did you look at any of the evidence that was released? He was shot when he started to double back at the cop after the struggle. That is plenty good cause to put him down. It happens all the time with cops.

 
Look, the peaceful protestors don't believe Michael Brown was a thug. At worst they think he was a dumb unarmed black teenager who didn't deserve to die. And honestly I'm still not sure this isn't correct. The prosecutor was pretty compelling last night but who knows what happened?
Of course they don't see him as a thug. He is exactly like them. He is a normal kid in black America today. You put 100 different black kids in that exact scenario and I feel pretty confident saying at least 75% of them would have reacted the same way.
you think 75% of black kids who get stopped by a white cop would get into a punching match?
I think they would resist the commands. How they physically react may be different, but there is an inherent disrespect for white authority, so I don't think how he acted would not be that uncommon. Maybe 75% is too high, but I think the number would be a lot higher than most people would expect.
You know, some cops are black.
No ####?

 
What good did the looting do? That is what I am having a hard time understanding. I get the anger. Just don't understand the leap from being extremely angry to burning buildings, robbing businesses, etc. Did those business owners contribute to the perceived miscarriage of justice? So if Michael Brown really was an innocent victim of police brutality, the solution is to burn down the neighborhood of the very people who are oppressed? Insane.

 
Why is the black community rallying their cause around a thug? There are so many racial injustices in this country. Pick a better one to to rally around. Don't pick the guy who robs a store, assaults the store owner, punches a cop in the cop car, then bull rushes a cop. Then to go riot and burn innocent people's busineses. Makes you wonder.
You ####### suck as a human being.
ArbyMelt nails it! They seriously look like complete idiots once you factor in the actions of the dead dude from the store robbery to when he bull rushed the officer. Gentle Giant. No big fat thug. Yeah I told you all that the officer's story would be the correct one.

 

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