Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (3 Viewers)

[Limp Ditka]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

I want you to do me a favor. Look up the residences of Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin , Chris Givens and Kenny Britt and let me know if any of them have a zip code of 63135

They play for the Rams, in the city of St Louis. Ferguson is 15 miles away. They have no connection to community is what you are saying?

Don't they also represent the Indian store owner who was first robbed by Mike Brown, then bullied by him, then had his business destroyed by the Mike Brown supporters? You think he is a Rams fan right now?

Did Michael Brown get his day in court?

For the strong arm robbery?

 

[Jerry Curl]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

I want you to do me a favor. Look up the residences of Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin , Chris Givens and Kenny Britt and let me know if any of them have a zip code of 63135

They play for the Rams, in the city of St Louis. Ferguson is 15 miles away. They have no connection to community is what you are saying?

So let me get this straight

Outsiders can have an opinion, as long as they are within 15 miles of Ferguson and that opinion is in line with what you assume is the opinion of the residents of that community.

I'm sorry you cant catch on, I really am.

 

[Jerry Curl]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

I want you to do me a favor. Look up the residences of Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin , Chris Givens and Kenny Britt and let me know if any of them have a zip code of 63135

They play for the Rams, in the city of St Louis. Ferguson is 15 miles away. They have no connection to community is what you are saying?

Don't they also represent the Indian store owner who was first robbed by Mike Brown, then bullied by him, then had his business destroyed by the Mike Brown supporters? You think he is a Rams fan right now?

Did Michael Brown get his day in court?

For the strong arm robbery?

Was that the charge in his arrest? Oh, wait...

 

[General Tso]

Bottom line, there are more people who believe Officer Wilson was not at fault in the shooting of Mike Brown. In a Huffington Post-YouGov poll of 1,000 released last week, 78% of whites and 38% of blacks think Wilson was not at fault. And a Grand Jury felt so strongly about it that they didn't even indict him.

I doubt Tavon Austin or Jared Cook give a #### about a HuffPost poll. They are expressing what they believe. Why would anyone care or object to it?

I have some news for you:

NO ONE gives a #### about a HuffPost poll.

Right, what does public opinion have to do with anything, especially with regard to the NFL? LOL

LOL? That's what you have?

Polls mean nothing.

Right. In your simple world it's action, not words, correct? My point is that there is very much a silent majority out there who is not staging wild rallies and making headlines, but is nonetheless pretty ####### fed up with this Mike Brown bullshiit. And the Rams are about to find this out.

 

[Gawain]

Specially for Tim.

GJ, Vol 6, Witness 10

Q Okay, so Mike Brown turns around, makes that jester, then how long before he then moves in the direction of the officer?

A Immediately after he did his body gesture, he came full force, full charge at the officer.

Q And full charge, I guess, is running?

A Correct

Sounds like fun.

 

[General Tso]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

I want you to do me a favor. Look up the residences of Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin , Chris Givens and Kenny Britt and let me know if any of them have a zip code of 63135

They play for the Rams, in the city of St Louis. Ferguson is 15 miles away. They have no connection to community is what you are saying?

Don't they also represent the Indian store owner who was first robbed by Mike Brown, then bullied by him, then had his business destroyed by the Mike Brown supporters? You think he is a Rams fan right now?

Did Michael Brown get his day in court?

Yes he did. A Grand Jury investigated the incident, considered a ####-ton of evidence, and concluded that Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Deal with it, and accept it for what it is - an angry kid acted like an ###, made horrible decision after horrible decision, and forced a cop to have to do something that 99% of all cops never want to do.

 

[Widbil83]

Hopefully somebody informs these players that he never had his hands up. You would think they know this already from living there and following the story.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Bottom line, there are more people who believe Officer Wilson was not at fault in the shooting of Mike Brown. In a Huffington Post-YouGov poll of 1,000 released last week, 78% of whites and 38% of blacks think Wilson was not at fault. And a Grand Jury felt so strongly about it that they didn't even indict him.

I doubt Tavon Austin or Jared Cook give a #### about a HuffPost poll. They are expressing what they believe. Why would anyone care or object to it?

I have some news for you:

NO ONE gives a #### about a HuffPost poll.

Uh, I do.

 

[Jack White]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

I want you to do me a favor. Look up the residences of Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin , Chris Givens and Kenny Britt and let me know if any of them have a zip code of 63135

They play for the Rams, in the city of St Louis. Ferguson is 15 miles away. They have no connection to community is what you are saying?

Don't they also represent the Indian store owner who was first robbed by Mike Brown, then bullied by him, then had his business destroyed by the Mike Brown supporters? You think he is a Rams fan right now?

Did Michael Brown get his day in court?

Yes he did. A Grand Jury investigated the incident, considered a ####-ton of evidence, and concluded that Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Deal with it, and accept it for what it is - an angry kid acted like an ###, made horrible decision after horrible decision, and forced a cop to have to do something that 99% of all cops never want to do.

That is either disingenuous or naive.

The grand jury was a show trial designed to exonerate the cop -- and cops are almost always exonerated when they shoot and kill citizens.

 

[bizkliz]

Should be able to solve this in the Shark Pool.

If not, we may need to take this to Facebook.

-biz-

ETA: please note the sarcasm. thank you.

 

[Darryl Talley]

Get this crap out of here. Some of us don't come to this forum to read meaningless opinions on social matters. Get it out.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Get this crap out of here. Some of us don't come to this forum to read meaningless opinions on social matters. Get it out.

How about hitting the report button instead of bumping the thread to the top of the forum?

 

[Jack White]

Get this crap out of here. Some of us don't come to this forum to read meaningless opinions on social matters. Get it out.

So go away.

 

[JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo]

This should be moved to the Free for All section

 

[Da Guru]

They really need to add a forensics forum to FBGs where we can discuss crimes,cases and intent. Seems like they are many fans of CSI, Criminal Minds and Law & Order here.

how about simple physics

We can include that as well. Did you study physics?

does phys-ed count?

That is what I am talking about..many people including myself do not know chit about anything that has to do with a shooting death, why it happened, what were the reasons people on both sides on why they acted the way they did. What were the split second decisions that were made by both people involved.

 

[Limp Ditka]

This should be moved to the Free for All section

Do you live within 15 miles of the FBg servers? If not, I'm not sure your opinion is valid.

 

[General Tso]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

I want you to do me a favor. Look up the residences of Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin , Chris Givens and Kenny Britt and let me know if any of them have a zip code of 63135

They play for the Rams, in the city of St Louis. Ferguson is 15 miles away. They have no connection to community is what you are saying?

Don't they also represent the Indian store owner who was first robbed by Mike Brown, then bullied by him, then had his business destroyed by the Mike Brown supporters? You think he is a Rams fan right now?

Did Michael Brown get his day in court?

Yes he did. A Grand Jury investigated the incident, considered a ####-ton of evidence, and concluded that Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Deal with it, and accept it for what it is - an angry kid acted like an ###, made horrible decision after horrible decision, and forced a cop to have to do something that 99% of all cops never want to do.

That is either disingenuous or naive.

The grand jury was a show trial designed to exonerate the cop -- and cops are almost always exonerated when they shoot and kill citizens.

Really. A "show trial" huh? So I'd love to know how "they" pulled this off... Can you enlightenment me? How were the jurors selected? How did they know who was being chosen for that particular Grand Jury? And what about the jury screening process was outside the ordinary here?

Dude, you and the rest of the idiot protesters here are the ones being naive. And trust me, this little "show" of a protest that you are putting on might feel satisfying, but it is doing nothing but hurting your (and my) cause. Please go out and find something worthy of protesting about, one that will yield positive change rather than just converting more people to the other side. You don't have to look very far. There's a ####load of real injustice out there.

 

[Jack White]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

I want you to do me a favor. Look up the residences of Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin , Chris Givens and Kenny Britt and let me know if any of them have a zip code of 63135

They play for the Rams, in the city of St Louis. Ferguson is 15 miles away. They have no connection to community is what you are saying?

Don't they also represent the Indian store owner who was first robbed by Mike Brown, then bullied by him, then had his business destroyed by the Mike Brown supporters? You think he is a Rams fan right now?

Did Michael Brown get his day in court?

Yes he did. A Grand Jury investigated the incident, considered a ####-ton of evidence, and concluded that Officer Wilson did nothing wrong. Deal with it, and accept it for what it is - an angry kid acted like an ###, made horrible decision after horrible decision, and forced a cop to have to do something that 99% of all cops never want to do.

That is either disingenuous or naive.

The grand jury was a show trial designed to exonerate the cop -- and cops are almost always exonerated when they shoot and kill citizens.

Really. A "show trial" huh? So I'd love to know how "they" pulled this off... Can you enlightenment me? How were the jurors selected? How did they know who was being chosen for that particular Grand Jury? And what about the jury screening process was outside the ordinary here?

Dude, you and the rest of the idiot protesters here are the ones being naive. And trust me, this little "show" of a protest that you are putting on might feel satisfying, but it is doing nothing but hurting your (and my) cause. Please go out and find something worthy of protesting about, one that will yield positive change rather than just converting more people to the other side. You don't have to look very far. There's a ####load of real injustice out there.

I don't think you understand how the grand jury process works.

It's a process where prosecutors get what they want -- typically an indictment.

In this case, because the subject was a cop -- who works for the state just as the prosecutor does -- the obvious outcome was to NOT indict the cop.

That's the outcome the state prosecutor wanted, and it got it.

It's not exactly rocket surgery. It was entirely predicable. But that doesn't change the fact is smells to high heaven.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Mature discussion on whether an NFL team should get involved in a divisive issue like this, and what the impact might be, are topical for the Shark Pool. But trying to convince others of the right or wrong of the event or lack of indictment aren't. Take them to the FFA or don't post in here.

 

[RBM]

http://fox2now.com/2014/11/30/rams-show-support-for-ferguson-with-hands-up-dont-shoot-enterance/ are these idiots serious. They represent a nfl team to millions of people. What they just did sends another bad message is making people think it's okay what there doing. Could anyone verify if that's real?

There are still many idiots marching in support of that criminal.

It's not all that surprising that a few players support him as well. It doesn't look like the team sanctioned it.

And there are still many racists supporting the cop.

http://fox2now.com/2014/11/30/rams-show-support-for-ferguson-with-hands-up-dont-shoot-enterance/ are these idiots serious. They represent a nfl team to millions of people. What they just did sends another bad message is making people think it's okay what there doing. Could anyone verify if that's real?

There are still many idiots marching in support of that criminal.

It's not all that surprising that a few players support him as well. It doesn't look like the team sanctioned it.

And there are still many racists supporting the cop.

This guy is gold. TGunz alias?

 

[Jack White]

Whether an NFL team should get involved in a divisive issue like this, and what the impact might be, are topical for the Shark Pool. But trying to convince others of the right or wrong of the event or lack of indictment aren't. Take them to the FFA or don't post in here.

A pretty good rule of thumb in business, fantasy football and life itself:

You can NOT convince anyone of anything.

Taking a strong stand on an important issue doesn't mean you're trying to convince someone.

 

[General Tso]

Mass raider is being cute.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Mass raider is being cute.

Arguably the best posts he's made all season.

 

[BobbyLayne]

That was awesome.

Good for them. Not everybody will agree, obviously, but you have the platform so go ahead and use it.

 

[sho nuff]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

You watch too many movies.

Cops don't ever shoot for the arms or knees. Its a dumb thing to do.

If they draw a weapon to shoot...its center mass and always will be. If deadly force is called for to pull their weapon, you don't shoot for a knee.

Its a hard target to hit when the subject is moving and is just one of the dumbest things anyone could do.

 

[monk]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

Yes and those Ferguson folks look like really nice people who are really concerned about their community ... They're just trying to make things better.

 

[Jack White]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

Yes and those Ferguson folks look like really nice people who are really concerned about their community ... They're just trying to make things better.

You need to start treating and judging people as individuals. There is no such thing as "the Ferguson folks."

 

[Tanner9919]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Um i dunno same reason obama and nixon, missouri's gubbner , didnt answer the phone for 48 hours when they wanted nat'l guard on night of grand jury decision..maybe you should be asking why for the first time ever president Makes a speech on nat'l tv about a criminal killed by a cop ? What happened when the white Australian student , out jogging, killed by two blacks in broad daylight by gunfire when they chased him down even admitting it was racially motivated?? No outcry? Happen in SC..Nothing? Obama let a U.S. soldier rot in prison in mexico ..what if he was a black guy? How long would he be in there? 12 mins?? Rumor has it the ministers in STL on the ground who've been there since Day One in ferguson say theres a LOT of money changing hands...hmmm.u DONT see obama and his band of thieves, like Holder, funneling money to the rent-a-rioters like they did to the Occupy clowns i suppose?? Um, I do...obama's in on this.holder is.sharpton is too..perhaps youre not bright enough to see it??this is the worst admin and most divisive prez, ever..cop on to yourself, man..dont be so naiive..sharpton owes $4mil in taxes in ny..claims u are racist if u mention it to him.all u need to know..just ask steven pagones where his court-awarded money is...

 

[FBG Moderator]

Where do you think the NFL's line should be for players making social commentary during an NFL broadcast without the team or league's approval?

 

[Jack White]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Um i dunno same reason obama and nixon, missouri's gubbner , didnt answer the phone for 48 hours when they wanted nat'l guard on night of grand jury decision..maybe you should be asking why for the first time ever president Makes a speech on nat'l tv about a criminal killed by a cop ? What happened when the white Australian student , out jogging, killed by two blacks in broad daylight by gunfire when they chased him down even admitting it was racially motivated?? No outcry? Happen in SC..Nothing? Obama let a U.S. soldier rot in prison in mexico ..what if he was a black guy? How long would he be in there? 12 mins?? Rumor has it the ministers in STL on the ground who've been there since Day One in ferguson say theres a LOT of money changing hands...hmmm.u DONT see obama and his band of thieves, like Holder, funneling money to the rent-a-rioters like they did to the Occupy clowns i suppose?? Um, I do...obama's in on this.holder is.sharpton is too..perhaps youre not bright enough to see it??this is the worst admin and most divisive prez, ever..cop on to yourself, man..dont be so naiive..sharpton owes $4mil in taxes in ny..claims u are racist if u mention it to him.all u need to know..just ask steven pagones where his court-awarded money is...

Trust me, I no more a fan of Obama than you are.

My point was specifically about the fact people were able to rampage and destroy private property while the cops stood around and did . . . nothing.

Because they have no duty or interest in protecting people. They only protect themselves and government property.

 

[FUBAR]

That's the outcome the state prosecutor wanted, and it got it.

I missed this interview. Link please? If you mean the prosecutor might have been biased, maybe. But most prosecutors want justice, others simply want to win. Haven't met any who want to lose at a grand jury.

 

[Jack White]

Where do you think the NFL's line should be for players making social commentary during an NFL broadcast without the team or league's approval?

That's a fair point. This particular incident has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment or free speech.

I don't have an issue with it. But if the league of the Rams have an issue with it, that's their prerogative.

 

[General Tso]

It will be interesting to see the NFL's official response to this. It will probably go along the lines of, "the NFL does not have any position of this issue, and asks that it's players respect that the NFL field is not the appropriate forum to display their political or social points of view". And I bet Roger doesn't have the nads to fine the players for it. He just wants this to go away, and will probably work behind the scenes to make sure it doesn't happen again.

 

[Jack White]

That's the outcome the state prosecutor wanted, and it got it.

I missed this interview. Link please?If you mean the prosecutor might have been biased, maybe. But most prosecutors want justice, others simply want to win. Haven't met any who want to lose at a grand jury.

By not indicting the cop -- figuratively speaking, their brother -- they won.

Prosecutors do not want justice. That's an incredibly rose-colored view of how the state and its agents operate.

 

[FUBAR]

Where do you think the NFL's line should be for players making social commentary during an NFL broadcast without the team or league's approval?

It's the NFL's forum. They should make the rules, but those rules need to be consistent. Whether the commentary is in line with what most people agree with, or something out of line with the norm, shouldn't matter.

 

[FUBAR]

That's the outcome the state prosecutor wanted, and it got it.

I missed this interview. Link please?If you mean the prosecutor might have been biased, maybe. But most prosecutors want justice, others simply want to win. Haven't met any who want to lose at a grand jury.

By not indicting the cop -- figuratively speaking, their brother -- they won.

Prosecutors do not want justice. That's an incredibly rose-colored view of how the state and its agents operate.

You're incredibly jaded.

Agree to disagree based on our life experience.

Moving on.

 

[Fireballer]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

yet another who didn't read the testimony

Yet another person who believes everything they read.

Jerry Curl, for those of us that have simply the evidence to base an opinion on, what are some resources to consult about what really happened?

 

[Jack White]

That's the outcome the state prosecutor wanted, and it got it.

I missed this interview. Link please?If you mean the prosecutor might have been biased, maybe. But most prosecutors want justice, others simply want to win. Haven't met any who want to lose at a grand jury.

By not indicting the cop -- figuratively speaking, their brother -- they won.

Prosecutors do not want justice. That's an incredibly rose-colored view of how the state and its agents operate.

You're incredibly jaded.

Agree to disagree based on our life experience.

Moving on.

I'm not jaded. It's just the way it is.

The info is out there, if only you're open to it.

 

[monk]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

Yes and those Ferguson folks look like really nice people who are really concerned about their community ... They're just trying to make things better.

You need to start treating and judging people as individuals. There is no such thing as "the Ferguson folks."

Jeez ... I'm just saying they look like a tight-knit community focused on social progress ... Don't judge me!

 

[Jack White]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

Yes and those Ferguson folks look like really nice people who are really concerned about their community ... They're just trying to make things better.

You need to start treating and judging people as individuals. There is no such thing as "the Ferguson folks."

Jeez ... I'm just saying they look like a tight-knit community focused on social progress ... Don't judge me!

I'm not judging you. I'm simply asking you not to label groups of people. All actions are taken by individuals.

 

[SameSongNDance]

The "hands up, don't shoot" gesture =/= support rioting. Some people believe that's all the movement equates to yet we've seen many more people taking part in peaceful protests; it's the minority that was dumb enough to burn down their own city. The fact is discrimination by the police in these communities is very real. How the matter should be approached is the real question.

 

[Zegras11]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

I'm tempted make this same obvious point every time I see Tim make his common sense comment, but couldn't get past that dirty feeling as well lol.

So and thanks.

i suspect that dirty feeling has little to do with me and a lot to do with you don't want to acknowledge that Wilson might have lied or exaggerated. As I mentioned before, people don't like to accept murky outcomes. I think Wilson made some #### up, and I think Brown was a thug , and even though Brown didn't deserve to die, it's 90% Browns own fault that he's dead. I think Wilson is a sympathetic person who overreacted, not unreasonably For that he deserved to resign, not to be arrested. This is not a clean subject .

If this includes me in your speculation, you'd be wrong. It has to do with endless meaningless conjecture and arguments which change no one's mind in the end.

How do you explain Michael Brown coming toward the officer at all? Common sense dictates that he either keeps running as fast as he can or lies face down flat on the ground. It does not in zero instances have the suspect approach an officer at any speed, charging or snail paced.

I have a lot of experience with young people. Not a lot of black ones, but minorities nonetheless, many of them thugs and gang members, even convicted juvenile felons. And I have seen many of them abandon any common sense to their own detriment.

I don't understand why everything has to be so convoluted with you.

Except Tim's which will change every 50-100 posts he makes.

 

[monk]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

Yes and those Ferguson folks look like really nice people who are really concerned about their community ... They're just trying to make things better.

You need to start treating and judging people as individuals. There is no such thing as "the Ferguson folks."

Jeez ... I'm just saying they look like a tight-knit community focused on social progress ... Don't judge me!

I'm not judging you. I'm simply asking you not to label groups of people. All actions are taken by individuals.

I'm sorry I thought we were discussing the Ferguson Community (See above)

 

[Billy Bats]

Hopefully somebody informs these players that he never had his hands up. You would think they know this already from living there and following the story.

Their extent of following the story is "white cop shoots unarmed black kid when he was surrendering and he wasn't indicted." The players, just like most of the protesters, don't have a ####### clue.

 

[lazyike]

Hopefully somebody informs these players that he never had his hands up. You would think they know this already from living there and following the story.

ThisThe grand jury scours countless hours of testimony and evidence coming to the conclusion not to indict. And so many only privy to bits of what happened much of which was false take a stance against Officer Wilson nonetheless. Since President Obama was elected over 725 law enforcement officials have died in the line of duty. This fireman wants nothing to do with anyone who condemns a police officer without knowledge of all the evidence.

 

[Jack White]

How about supporting cops instead of punk bully thugs, looters and rioters?

I thought the mission of cops was to "serve and protect"?

So why didn't the cops protect business owners and their property?

Shoot him in the knee cap he is not able to move and is still alive and under arrest, with the cop being a hero. He didnt do that though, he thought the best way was to tap 6 shots in him. Cops are in that position because they are supposed to know that. I expect excellence out of a cop if they are going to have authority over me and my community.

No excuse, and those defending it should expect more. Kid didnt even have a weapon. The things people let themselves believe bothers me.

Far be it from letting football players show the same support a lot of the community believes. I find it almost insulting to the people of Ferguson that outsiders think they know what happened because they saw it on the news and then judge the people of Ferguson for their protests.

This is just ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people from Ferguson saw it on the news too.

So they get to pick a side, but others can't because of proximity?

Yes since it is their community and all.

Yes and those Ferguson folks look like really nice people who are really concerned about their community ... They're just trying to make things better.

You need to start treating and judging people as individuals. There is no such thing as "the Ferguson folks."

Jeez ... I'm just saying they look like a tight-knit community focused on social progress ... Don't judge me!

I'm not judging you. I'm simply asking you not to label groups of people. All actions are taken by individuals.

I'm sorry I thought we were discussing the Ferguson Community (See above)

It's a problem when people start thinking about collectives rather than individuals.

The Ferguson Community is a fiction. It doesn't exist. It's a way to label people without respecting them (or judging them) as individuals.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Title change?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Since President Obama was elected over 725 law enforcement officials have died in the line of duty

Are you suggesting that there is a correlation here?

 

[Zegras11]

From my standpoint, it doesn't matter one bit if Brown was charging at Wilson or walking slowly towards him. Both sides acknowledge and agree that each of the following events happened:

1. There was an altercation between Brown and Wilson in the police car.

2. Brown threw punches at Wilson.

3. Wilson discharged his weapon during the altercation.

4. Brown fled away from the car.

5. Wilson emerged from the car, drew his weapon, and told the suspects to freeze.

6. Brown turned around and was facing Wilson. All the shots were entrance wounds to the front of his body.

7. The crime scene evidence showed that Brown moved towards Wilson between the first shot and the last.

NONE of these facts are in dispute. Why does it matter if Brown was "charging" Wilson or walking slowly towards him? After what had just happened, Wilson had every reason in the world to use deadly force at that point. If he had shot Brown in the back while he was fleeing, there wouldn't be an argument. If he had shot Brown while his hands were up and he wasn't moving, there wouldn't be an argument. If he had shot Brown from 100 feet away, there wouldn't be an argument. But that's not what happened. Brown had just assaulted a cop and was resisting arrest. The cop was obviously in a very dangerous situation, as evidenced by the fact that he had already fired his weapon IN THE CAR! I mean, seriously Tim - do you really think it is reasonable to expect him not to shoot there when Brown doesn't immediately freeze, and then starts walking towards him? After all that occurred? I don't care if he's walking at a snail's pace. If he doesn't stop immediately and comply with all directions, after assaulting a cop, then yes - he deserves to die. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but that's the way it is.

Michael Brown robbed a convenience store, bullied an old man, walked defiantly in the middle of the street, then assaulted a cop. I feel bad for his parents, and in some way I also feel bad that his life came to such a horrible end. But let's not make this guy into a martyr or a victim. It was borderline suicide by cop.

I find this post, and DW's somewhat similar argument, to be very reasonable rebuttals to my argument (the two responses on the previous page were quite reasonable as well). This is what I was hoping: that we could engage in a civilized dialogue about what happened without throwing insults at each other. I thank you guys very much.That being said, while I appreciate your argument, I have to respectfully disagree with it. Ultimately, if Michael Brown is at least 30 feet away and unarmed, he is not an immediate mortal threat to Officer Wilson unless he is charging toward him. Walking toward him does not make Brown a mortal threat. What Michael Brown did just seconds before, and what sort of man Brown is are both immaterial- not immaterial to Wilson's frame of mind, but immaterial to what Wilson as a police officer should have the right to do- he should not have the right to shoot Brown dead in such an instance. That's why the charge is so important IMO: if Brown is charging then Wilson has the right to kill him.

I should also add that had Brown been killed during the fight at the car, I would have had absolutely no problem with that. If you go for an officer's gun the officer has the right to kill you- at that moment. The officer IMO does not have the right to let you run away and then kill you from a distance.

I'm 6'4 also. I also weigh just about the same.

I just got out a tape measure and marked off 30 feet. I naturally take 4 steps every 10 feet. That's 12 steps away.

After just two steps, my wife felt threatened by me walking towards her.

#timcommonsense

 

[AB in DC]

Where do you think the NFL's line should be for players making social commentary during an NFL broadcast without the team or league's approval?

Good question.

Too bad almost no one in this thread cares to discuss it.

:IBTL: