Lousiana Science Books with both Evolution and creationism (1 Viewer)

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Pretty remarkable Republican textbook for kids.

You know that's a joke, right?

 

[Ilov80s]

Jindal called the judge's ruling "a travesty for parents across Louisiana who want nothing more than for their children to have an equal opportunity at receiving a great education."

Unreal. How about you fix your state's public schools, jackass.

Uh, because there are powerful political forces (the teachers unions) that will prevent any reforms? And meanwhile, those same forces will do everything they can to keep kids locked into hellhole schools.

All the teachers I know (including my wife and pretty much all of my friends) want nothing more than to work in, and lock kids into, hellhole schools.

Pretty much nails it. I got into teaching because I figured it was a way to legally torture innocent children. I like my job now, I just wish my school was a little worse. Some of these kids have it too easy.

 

[Soonerman]

Jindal called the judge's ruling "a travesty for parents across Louisiana who want nothing more than for their children to have an equal opportunity at receiving a great education."

Unreal. How about you fix your state's public schools, jackass.

Uh, because there are powerful political forces (the teachers unions) that will prevent any reforms? And meanwhile, those same forces will do everything they can to keep kids locked into hellhole schools.

All the teachers I know (including my wife and pretty much all of my friends) want nothing more than to work in, and lock kids into, hellhole schools.

The teachers union sued in this very case to lock the kids into poor schools.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

When reading a book you need to keep in mind the technology and understanding of the time.

Amen brother, amen. - Moses

 

[Ilov80s]

Jindal called the judge's ruling "a travesty for parents across Louisiana who want nothing more than for their children to have an equal opportunity at receiving a great education."

Unreal. How about you fix your state's public schools, jackass.

Uh, because there are powerful political forces (the teachers unions) that will prevent any reforms? And meanwhile, those same forces will do everything they can to keep kids locked into hellhole schools.

All the teachers I know (including my wife and pretty much all of my friends) want nothing more than to work in, and lock kids into, hellhole schools.

The teachers union sued in this very case to lock the kids into poor schools.

They are suing because they believe Act 2 violates the state constitution. The unions are defending the constitution!

 

[Soonerman]

Jindal called the judge's ruling "a travesty for parents across Louisiana who want nothing more than for their children to have an equal opportunity at receiving a great education."

Unreal. How about you fix your state's public schools, jackass.

Uh, because there are powerful political forces (the teachers unions) that will prevent any reforms? And meanwhile, those same forces will do everything they can to keep kids locked into hellhole schools.

All the teachers I know (including my wife and pretty much all of my friends) want nothing more than to work in, and lock kids into, hellhole schools.

The teachers union sued in this very case to lock the kids into poor schools.

They are suing because they believe Act 2 violates the state constitution. The unions are defending the constitution!

Of course they are.

 

[NCCommish]

Jindal called the judge's ruling "a travesty for parents across Louisiana who want nothing more than for their children to have an equal opportunity at receiving a great education."

Unreal. How about you fix your state's public schools, jackass.

Uh, because there are powerful political forces (the teachers unions) that will prevent any reforms? And meanwhile, those same forces will do everything they can to keep kids locked into hellhole schools.

Uh, the Louisiana Teachers Unions rank amongst the weakest in the country. It is a right to work state and nearly 40 percent of teachers don't even belong to the union. They simply don't have the influence you insinuate here.

 

[Ilov80s]

Jindal called the judge's ruling "a travesty for parents across Louisiana who want nothing more than for their children to have an equal opportunity at receiving a great education."

Unreal. How about you fix your state's public schools, jackass.

Uh, because there are powerful political forces (the teachers unions) that will prevent any reforms? And meanwhile, those same forces will do everything they can to keep kids locked into hellhole schools.

All the teachers I know (including my wife and pretty much all of my friends) want nothing more than to work in, and lock kids into, hellhole schools.

The teachers union sued in this very case to lock the kids into poor schools.

They are suing because they believe Act 2 violates the state constitution. The unions are defending the constitution!

Of course they are.

The unions are like every other group/person, they defend the constitution when it benefits them.

 

[fatness]

Jindal called the judge's ruling "a travesty for parents across Louisiana who want nothing more than for their children to have an equal opportunity at receiving a great education."

Unreal. How about you fix your state's public schools, jackass.

Uh, because there are powerful political forces (the teachers unions) that will prevent any reforms? And meanwhile, those same forces will do everything they can to keep kids locked into hellhole schools.

Uh huh. Yet tons of other states with teachers unions have better schools than Louisiana. If Louisiana wants to throw taxpayer money into a trough surrounded by snorting private schools, and wants to continue to keep their public school system crappy, they'll have to amend their state constitution first.

 

[fatness]

From the you-can’t-make-up-this-stuff department: Louisiana’s governor and schools chief are championing an “accountability” plan for private schools in the state's voucher program that doesn’t hold these schools accountable if they have fewer than 40 voucher students.

Yes, as this Reuters story makes clear, a school can allow its 39 voucher students to fail to show basic competency in reading, math, social studies and science and still keep receiving state funds. Most of the schools in the voucher program this coming year, it turns out, will be covered by this provision.

What happens to schools with 40 or more voucher students? Not as much as you might think. Schools will be assigned a numerical grade based on the standardized test scores of their voucher students, and if a school score is less than 50 out of 150 points, that school can’t bring in any more voucher students. Yes, they still can receive public money. No, they don’t have to kick out the voucher students already there.

How’s that for accountability in this “age of accountability?” How come we haven’t heard anything about this from school reformers pushing accountability? Why is this acceptable? Incidentally, this is being championed by Gov. Bobby Jindal

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Though some 450,000 students were eligible for vouchers, about 10,000 applied, with most of the slots in Christian schools that don’t appear to have the resources to absorb them. What’s more, many of these schools use curriculum that promotes Young Earth Creationism, which holds the belief that the universe is no older than 10,000 years old despite definitive scientific evidence that it is billions of years old.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Soonerman taking a beating here and rightfully so.

 

[fatness]

Louisiana is preparing to spend over $11 million to send 1,365 students to 20 private schools that teach creationism instead of science as part of Governor Bobby Jindal’s new voucher program.

July 2012 link

My review of the Governor’s voucher program identifies at least 20 schools who use a creationist curriculum or blatantly promote creationism on their websites. These 20 schools have been awarded 1,365 voucher slots and can receive as much as $11,602,500 in taxpayer money annually.

The handbook of the Claiborne Christian School, in West Monroe, LA, says that students are taught to “discern and refute lies commonly found in [secular] textbooks, college classrooms, and in the media.” In the January 2010 school newsletter, the principal promotes young-earth creationist talking points from Answers in Genesis, saying, “Our position at CCS on the age of the Earth and other issues is that any theory that goes against God’s Word is in error.” She also claims that scientists are “sinful men” trying to explain the world “without God” so they don’t have to be “morally accountable to Him.” CCS has 28 voucher slots and can receive up to $238,000 in public money.

The student handbook of Faith Academy, in Gonzalez, LA, says that as a Household of Faith school, students must “defend creationism through evidence presented by the Bible verses [sic] traditional scientific theory.” FA has 38 voucher slots and can receive up to $323,000 in public money.

Ascension Christian High School, in Gonzales, also a Household of Faith school is Faith Academy’s high school campus. It has 80 voucher slots and can receive up to $680,000 in public money.

Northeast Baptist School, in West Monroe, uses ABeka and Bob Jones University science textbooks. Researcher and writer Rachel Tabachnick, who examined these textbooks, reports that it is “clear that no instruction is included in the text that would conflict with young earth creationism.” Using such books endangers the educational prospects of students in Christian schools. In 2010, the University of California won a federal lawsuit, ASCI [Association of Christian Schools International] v. Stearns, in which the judge ruled in favor of UC’s right to refuse to recognize high school credits for science classes taken in Christian schools that used such books. UC contended that such instruction is “inconsistent with the viewpoints and knowledge generally accepted in the scientific community.” NBS has 40 voucher slots and can receive up to $340,000 in public money.

Northlake Christian Elementary School, in Covington, LA, teaches science using both ASCI’s “Purposeful Design Series” and ABeka materials. One Purposeful Design science notebook requires students to “discuss your thoughts about how the complexity of a cell shows that it must be purposefully designed.” NCES, which specifies that “all curricular content is filtered through and presented within a Christian worldview,” has 20 voucher slots and can receive up to $170,000 in public money.

Northlake Christian High School in Covington uses a secular science textbook but also “integrate” material from “biblical-young-earth, Christian/Creationists,” according to Northlake’s high school biology teacher. He uses sources from Creation Ministries International, Answers in Genesis, and the Institute for Creation Research. This teacher also quotes a creationist book that says, “No coherent, cohesive theology has yet been offered that would allow Christians to embrace evolution with integrity.” Disturbingly, NCHS’s student handbook includes a discrimination policy against prospective students and staff who do not meet “Biblical standards.” NCHS has 30 voucher slots and can receive up to $255,000 in public money.

New Living Word School, operated by New Living Word Ministries in Ruston, LA, teaches its students with “an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such [as] chemistry.” The school probably uses ABeka materials. According to the website, the church created a program for suspended and expelled Lincoln Parish public school students using “the A-Beka Christian Academy Homeschooling Program.” On top of all of this, the NLW School doesn’t even have the facilities to accommodate voucher students. Nonetheless, it has 315 voucher slots and can receive up to $2,677,500 in public money.

Gethsemane Christian Academy, in Lafayette, LA, doesn’t appear to have a website, but the National Center for Education Statistics notes that it uses the infamous ACE Curriculum. Curriculum publisher ACE Ministries is guided by “God’s Mandate for Christian Education,” in which evolutionary theory is described as “extremely damaging to children individually and to society as a whole” because it “denies the principle of the individual’s accountability” to God. GCA has 100 voucher slots and can receive up to $850,000 in public money.

Declared Ineligible: Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, LA, uses the ACE (Accelerated Christian Education) curriculum. ECA has 135 voucher slots and can receive up to $1,147,500 in public money.

The Upperroom Bible Church Academy, in New Orleans, says their “curriculum is dependent upon a biblical philosophy” and according to the National Center for Education Statistics they use the ACE curriculum. They also claim to blatantly attempt to convert their students, saying “we endeavor to win all unsaved students to Jesus Christ.” On top of this, the large numbers of bad reviews from parents seem to suggest the school cares about money much more than the students. The Upperroom Bible Church Academy has 167 voucher slots and can receive up to $1,419,500 in public money annually.

Jehovah-Jireh Christian Academy, in Baton Rouge uses both the ASCI Purposeful Design and ABeka curricula in science classes. JJA has 30 voucher slots and can receive up to $255,000 in public money.

New Orleans Adventist Academy teaches a creationist curriculum, according to the New Orleans newspaper, Gambit. A science curriculum guide from the Southwest Region Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists, to which NOAA belongs, shows that Adventist schools teach children that “God, in six literal days, made the heavens and the earth.” The guide contains references both to young-earth and intelligent design creationist sources. NOAA has 100 voucher slots and can receive up to $850,000 in public money.

Greater Mt. Olive Christian Academy, in Baton Rouge, uses the ABeka curriculum. GMOCA has 50 voucher slots and can receive up to $425,000 in public money.

Faith Christian Academy, in Marrero, LA, uses the ABeka textbooks. FCA has 38 voucher slots and can receive up to $323,000 in public money.

Victory Christian Academy, in Metairie, LA, uses ABeka and Bob Jones curricula. Its philosophy of science education is “to develop students in principles of science. . . teaching them to observe relationships and laws as established by God’s creative hand” and that “any teaching of man that is contrary to the clear understanding of scripture is in error.” VCA has 8 voucher slots and can receive up to $68,000 in public money.

Lafayette Christian Academy, in Lafayette, LA, uses Bob Jones and ABeka. Its “primary objective” is to educate students “without compromising the Word of God.” LCA has 4 voucher slots and can receive up to $34,000 in public money.

 

[Ilov80s]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

 

[Soonerman]

Soonerman taking a beating here and rightfully so.

I am?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Pretty remarkable Republican textbook for kids.

You know that's a joke, right?

Dont be a jerk. I homeschooled my daughter with that book.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Soonerman taking a beating here and rightfully so.

I am?

Yes, and if you don't realize it...well, that's the problem.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I read this textbook and I changed.

 

[Soonerman]

Soonerman taking a beating here and rightfully so.

I am?

Yes, and if you don't realize it...well, that's the problem.

Whatever you say officer.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Louisiana is preparing to spend over $11 million to send 1,365 students to 20 private schools that teach creationism instead of science as part of Governor Bobby Jindal’s new voucher program.

July 2012 link

My review of the Governor’s voucher program identifies at least 20 schools who use a creationist curriculum or blatantly promote creationism on their websites. These 20 schools have been awarded 1,365 voucher slots and can receive as much as $11,602,500 in taxpayer money annually.

The handbook of the Claiborne Christian School, in West Monroe, LA, says that students are taught to “discern and refute lies commonly found in [secular] textbooks, college classrooms, and in the media.” In the January 2010 school newsletter, the principal promotes young-earth creationist talking points from Answers in Genesis, saying, “Our position at CCS on the age of the Earth and other issues is that any theory that goes against God’s Word is in error.” She also claims that scientists are “sinful men” trying to explain the world “without God” so they don’t have to be “morally accountable to Him.” CCS has 28 voucher slots and can receive up to $238,000 in public money.

The student handbook of Faith Academy, in Gonzalez, LA, says that as a Household of Faith school, students must “defend creationism through evidence presented by the Bible verses [sic] traditional scientific theory.” FA has 38 voucher slots and can receive up to $323,000 in public money.

Ascension Christian High School, in Gonzales, also a Household of Faith school is Faith Academy’s high school campus. It has 80 voucher slots and can receive up to $680,000 in public money.

Northeast Baptist School, in West Monroe, uses ABeka and Bob Jones University science textbooks. Researcher and writer Rachel Tabachnick, who examined these textbooks, reports that it is “clear that no instruction is included in the text that would conflict with young earth creationism.” Using such books endangers the educational prospects of students in Christian schools. In 2010, the University of California won a federal lawsuit, ASCI [Association of Christian Schools International] v. Stearns, in which the judge ruled in favor of UC’s right to refuse to recognize high school credits for science classes taken in Christian schools that used such books. UC contended that such instruction is “inconsistent with the viewpoints and knowledge generally accepted in the scientific community.” NBS has 40 voucher slots and can receive up to $340,000 in public money.

Northlake Christian Elementary School, in Covington, LA, teaches science using both ASCI’s “Purposeful Design Series” and ABeka materials. One Purposeful Design science notebook requires students to “discuss your thoughts about how the complexity of a cell shows that it must be purposefully designed.” NCES, which specifies that “all curricular content is filtered through and presented within a Christian worldview,” has 20 voucher slots and can receive up to $170,000 in public money.

Northlake Christian High School in Covington uses a secular science textbook but also “integrate” material from “biblical-young-earth, Christian/Creationists,” according to Northlake’s high school biology teacher. He uses sources from Creation Ministries International, Answers in Genesis, and the Institute for Creation Research. This teacher also quotes a creationist book that says, “No coherent, cohesive theology has yet been offered that would allow Christians to embrace evolution with integrity.” Disturbingly, NCHS’s student handbook includes a discrimination policy against prospective students and staff who do not meet “Biblical standards.” NCHS has 30 voucher slots and can receive up to $255,000 in public money.

New Living Word School, operated by New Living Word Ministries in Ruston, LA, teaches its students with “an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such [as] chemistry.” The school probably uses ABeka materials. According to the website, the church created a program for suspended and expelled Lincoln Parish public school students using “the A-Beka Christian Academy Homeschooling Program.” On top of all of this, the NLW School doesn’t even have the facilities to accommodate voucher students. Nonetheless, it has 315 voucher slots and can receive up to $2,677,500 in public money.

Gethsemane Christian Academy, in Lafayette, LA, doesn’t appear to have a website, but the National Center for Education Statistics notes that it uses the infamous ACE Curriculum. Curriculum publisher ACE Ministries is guided by “God’s Mandate for Christian Education,” in which evolutionary theory is described as “extremely damaging to children individually and to society as a whole” because it “denies the principle of the individual’s accountability” to God. GCA has 100 voucher slots and can receive up to $850,000 in public money.

Declared Ineligible: Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, LA, uses the ACE (Accelerated Christian Education) curriculum. ECA has 135 voucher slots and can receive up to $1,147,500 in public money.

The Upperroom Bible Church Academy, in New Orleans, says their “curriculum is dependent upon a biblical philosophy” and according to the National Center for Education Statistics they use the ACE curriculum. They also claim to blatantly attempt to convert their students, saying “we endeavor to win all unsaved students to Jesus Christ.” On top of this, the large numbers of bad reviews from parents seem to suggest the school cares about money much more than the students. The Upperroom Bible Church Academy has 167 voucher slots and can receive up to $1,419,500 in public money annually.

Jehovah-Jireh Christian Academy, in Baton Rouge uses both the ASCI Purposeful Design and ABeka curricula in science classes. JJA has 30 voucher slots and can receive up to $255,000 in public money.

New Orleans Adventist Academy teaches a creationist curriculum, according to the New Orleans newspaper, Gambit. A science curriculum guide from the Southwest Region Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists, to which NOAA belongs, shows that Adventist schools teach children that “God, in six literal days, made the heavens and the earth.” The guide contains references both to young-earth and intelligent design creationist sources. NOAA has 100 voucher slots and can receive up to $850,000 in public money.

Greater Mt. Olive Christian Academy, in Baton Rouge, uses the ABeka curriculum. GMOCA has 50 voucher slots and can receive up to $425,000 in public money.

Faith Christian Academy, in Marrero, LA, uses the ABeka textbooks. FCA has 38 voucher slots and can receive up to $323,000 in public money.

Victory Christian Academy, in Metairie, LA, uses ABeka and Bob Jones curricula. Its philosophy of science education is “to develop students in principles of science. . . teaching them to observe relationships and laws as established by God’s creative hand” and that “any teaching of man that is contrary to the clear understanding of scripture is in error.” VCA has 8 voucher slots and can receive up to $68,000 in public money.

Lafayette Christian Academy, in Lafayette, LA, uses Bob Jones and ABeka. Its “primary objective” is to educate students “without compromising the Word of God.” LCA has 4 voucher slots and can receive up to $34,000 in public money.

Tax payer money should not go to these blatantly religious institutions. I feel sorry for these kids and the future.

 

[fatness]

I read this textbook and I changed.

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[fatness]

Unlike Landover Baptist this one is real.

World History and Cultures in a Christian Perspective

Description

This well-researched text stands on the conviction that God is the Creator of the world and the Controller of history.

The text builds a solid foundation of ancient history, tracing man’s history back to the Garden of Eden. It gives a fine presentation of neglected Asian and African cultures in a unique ancient-to-modern style, helping the students to recognize other peoples and cultures. An in-depth study of the Greco-Roman culture lays the groundwork for an exciting section on medieval history. The last section brings the student to the very doorstep of current history and vividly depicts world events in light of God’s master plan.

Pop quiz, everyone! It’s a review question from Chapter 24 of our 10th-grade Christianist textbook, World History and Cultures In Christian Perspective:

“What phenomenon at the beginning of the 20th century threatened to destroy the roots of Western civilization?”

The correct answer, of course, is “Liberalism.”

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[fatness]

Darwinism gained further respectability due to its vigorous promotion by British scientist Thomas Henry Huxley (1825-1895). Huxley also coined the term agnostic to describe one who believes that the existence of God and anything but material reality cannot be proved by human reasoning and thus is not an important area of human inquiry. The ungodly ideas of Darwin and Huxley led to an acceptance of the philosophy of materialism – the idea that matter is the only reality and that everything in the world, including thought, will, and feeling, must be explained in terms of matter.

Darwinism and socialism might have been defeated in Britain had it not been for the rise of another “ism” — modernism, a philosophy which cut to the very heart of all that had made Britain great. Modernism, or religious liberalism, began in Germany with faithless theologians who believed that the Bible was merely a beautiful myth and full of errors. Church leaders became more concerned with attacking social injustices and working toward establishing total democracy than with bringing people to personal salvation through ]esus Christ. These false doctrines had worked their way into British thought by 1880 and did much to bring about Britain’s decline in the 20th century.

From the same "history" book.

 

[fatness]

Man has rebelled against God in many ways throughout the ages, but perhaps no more defiantly than in his denial of God’s role as the Creator. In an attempt to escape their accountability to God, some people credit evolution, a fabled process of progressive change dependent on chance and time, with the origin of life on earth.

Evolutionists claim that man “evolved” from the animals; they downplay man’s special characteristics of speech, reason, morality, and free will and portray him as just a “highly evolved” animal. They promote their false philosophy under the guise of science, but evolution is no science; it is a faith, a feeble alternative to faith in God…

The consequences of evolutionary thinking testify to the destructiveness of this false philosophy; in modern times, the broad acceptance of evolution has led to such evils as abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia.

Same book

 

[fatness]

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The Louisiana House gave final legislative passage Monday to a $3.4 billion elementary and secondary school spending plan, without reaching the number of votes usually needed to approve a bill. House Speaker Chuck Kleckley, R-Lake Charles, decided that since the multibillion-dollar spending plans were contained in a legislative resolution, they didn't require the 53 votes needed to pass a bill. Instead, Kleckley said the measure required support of a majority of those House members present and voting.

With that decision, the House's 51-49 vote on the last day of the legislative session gave the funding formula a final OK. A day earlier, the Senate passed the measure in a 24-15 vote, above the number needed to pass a bill.

Rep. Kenneth Havard, R-Jackson, objected to including the Islamic School of Greater New Orleans in a list of schools approved by the education department to accept as many as 38 voucher students. Havard said he wouldn't support any spending plan that "will fund Islamic teaching."

"I won't go back home and explain to my people that I supported this," he said. "It'll be the Church of Scientology next year," said Rep. Sam Jones, D-Franklin.

Carter, R-Baton Rouge, said the Islamic school withdrew its request to participate in the voucher program. "They're not interested. The system works," he said.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

We're so screwed.

 

[culdeus]

I've always wondered something. Why isn't there a big push to put Noah's Ark into schools? I mean it's in the bible right?

At some point they threw in the towel on the ark story as pure fiction, why are they continuing to dig in on this one?

 

[General Malaise]

Is Kirk Cameron in charge of Education in Louisiana now? Creepy.

So glad I moved out of the south. What a bunch of whack-a-dos.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Is Kirk Cameron in charge of Education in Louisiana now? Creepy.

So glad I moved out of the south. What a bunch of whack-a-dos.

 

[Sam Quentin]

They are suing because they believe Act 2 violates the state constitution. The unions are defending the constitution!

 

[Sam Quentin]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

Which is worse? Raw bigotry or raw ignorance?

 

[Sam Quentin]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

Which is worse? Raw bigotry or raw ignorance?

BUT BUT BUT... THEY'RE NOT LIKE US!!!11!!!!!!!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

Which is worse? Raw bigotry or raw ignorance?

BUT BUT BUT... THEY'RE NOT LIKE US!!!11!!!!!!!

OK, let's get back on track. Any state that gives tax-payer money to schools that promote religious teachings is violating the Constitution.

 

[Dexter]

Customers who bought titles by Pastor Deacon Fred also bought titles by these authors:

Adolf Hitler

Dr. Rev. Jerry Falwell

President George Bush

Rev. Fred Phelps

Jorgé Luis Borges

 

[Ilov80s]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

It isn't bigotry. Public schools are a reflection of the community. Also, my comment has little to do with the changes in the curriculum or funding of religious schools (I went to a Catholic school for 12 years). My comment was about people complaining their schools suck or that it is some single force (unions or liberals or evangelicals or whatever) that is behind these "bad" schools.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

Which is worse? Raw bigotry or raw ignorance?

BUT BUT BUT... THEY'RE NOT LIKE US!!!11!!!!!!!

OK, let's get back on track. Any state that gives tax-payer money to schools that promote religious teachings is violating the Constitution.

This is true but kind of irrelevant to the instant case.The Louisiana voucher program doesn't give money to private religious schools. It gives it to parents, who in turn can give it to private religious schools. Which is precisely the scheme that all modern establishment clause cases have held constitutional since Everson in 1947.

 

[General Malaise]

Out of curiosity, could a group of atheists launch a private school teaching the exact opposite of these creation schools, demeaning creationism as much as the schools above demean evolution? Could this group then get school voucher money for kids to attend on the tax payer's dime? If this isn't happening, is it because atheists are just lazy or lack the funding of the fundamentalist schools?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

Which is worse? Raw bigotry or raw ignorance?

BUT BUT BUT... THEY'RE NOT LIKE US!!!11!!!!!!!

OK, let's get back on track. Any state that gives tax-payer money to schools that promote religious teachings is violating the Constitution.

This is true but kind of irrelevant to the instant case.The Louisiana voucher program doesn't give money to private religious schools. It gives it to parents, who in turn can give it to private religious schools. Which is precisely the scheme that all modern establishment clause cases have held constitutional since Everson in 1947.

Six of one...

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

Which is worse? Raw bigotry or raw ignorance?

BUT BUT BUT... THEY'RE NOT LIKE US!!!11!!!!!!!

OK, let's get back on track. Any state that gives tax-payer money to schools that promote religious teachings is violating the Constitution.

This is true but kind of irrelevant to the instant case.The Louisiana voucher program doesn't give money to private religious schools. It gives it to parents, who in turn can give it to private religious schools. Which is precisely the scheme that all modern establishment clause cases have held constitutional since Everson in 1947.

Six of one...

Well, I'm sympathetic to your view, but that's never been how the First Amendment has been interpreted. Keep in mind that all but 11 states passed so-called "Blaine Amendments" to their constitutions banning the use of public funds to support sectarian schools, but the US Constitution has never been interpreted that way. Louisiana was one of the 11 exceptions, and most Blaine Amendments are not enforced (and may well be considered unconstitutional themselves).

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The problem with Louisiana schools is that they are full of Louisianans.

is this what it has come to? raw bigotry?

Which is worse? Raw bigotry or raw ignorance?

BUT BUT BUT... THEY'RE NOT LIKE US!!!11!!!!!!!

OK, let's get back on track. Any state that gives tax-payer money to schools that promote religious teachings is violating the Constitution.

This is true but kind of irrelevant to the instant case.The Louisiana voucher program doesn't give money to private religious schools. It gives it to parents, who in turn can give it to private religious schools. Which is precisely the scheme that all modern establishment clause cases have held constitutional since Everson in 1947.

Six of one...

Well, I'm sympathetic to your view, but that's never been how the First Amendment has been interpreted. Keep in mind that all but 11 states passed so-called "Blaine Amendments" to their constitutions banning the use of public funds to support sectarian schools, but the US Constitution has never been interpreted that way. Louisiana was one of the 11 exceptions, and most Blaine Amendments are not enforced (and may well be considered unconstitutional themselves).

Ahhh...I see. Thank you for the inff course, IMO, that's bull####.

 

[Dexter]

Out of curiosity, could a group of atheists launch a private school teaching the exact opposite of these creation schools, demeaning creationism as much as the schools above demean evolution? Could this group then get school voucher money for kids to attend on the tax payer's dime? If this isn't happening, is it because atheists are just lazy or lack the funding of the fundamentalist schools?

So you mean teach actual science?

 

[SacramentoBob]

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Carter, R-Baton Rouge, said the Islamic school withdrew its request to participate in the voucher program. "They're not interested. The system works," he said.

WTH?

 

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Good for Zack Kopplin.

Activist Zack Kopplin announced Monday he was re-launching his campaign to repeal a law that allows public schools to teach creationism as science in Louisiana.

In a statement published Monday, Kopplin said he believes "that this spring we can muster the votes we need to pass" a repeal of the Louisiana Science Education Act. State Sen. Karen Carter Peterson (D) has filed a bill to repeal the law.

Peterson proposed identical legislation in 2011 and in 2012, but the bills were killed in committee.

The LSEA, signed into law by Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal in 2008, purportedly promotes critical thinking and open discussion about scientific theories such as evolution and global warming. Proponents of the law said it encouraged academic freedom, but critics were quick to point out that it allows local school boards to approve supplemental classroom materials that espouse creationism.

State Sen. Ben Nevers (D) said in 2008 he proposed the law at the urging of the Louisiana Family Forum, a conservative Christian group.

"They believe that scientific data related to creationism should be discussed when dealing with Darwin's theory," he explained.

 

[joffer]

Bobby Jindal is an effing coward

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-evolution

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal dodged three questions on Tuesday about whether he personally believes the theory of evolution explains the presence of complex life on Earth.

"The reality is I'm not an evolutionary biologist," the Republican governor and possible 2016 presidential hopeful told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

"What I believe as a father and a husband is that local schools should make decisions on how they teach," he said. "And we can talk about Common Core and why I don't believe in a national curriculum. I think local school districts should make decisions about what should be taught in their classroom. I want my kids to be exposed to the best science, the best critical thinking..."

The reporter interrupted Jindal, a Rhodes scholar who studied biology and public policy at Brown University, to press him on the original question of whether he believes the theory of evolution reflects the best scientific thinking about life on Earth.

"I will tell you, as a father, I want my kids to be taught about evolution in their schools, but secondly, I think local school districts should make the decision," he said.

Pressed a third time on what he personally thinks, Jindal again sidestepped.

"I told you what I think. I think that local school districts, not the federal government, should make the decision about how they teach science, biology, economics. I want my kids to be taught about evolution; I want my kids to be taught about other theories."

At the same event, Jindal called the Obama administration "science deniers" upon rolling out a national energy policy blueprint.

 

[NCCommish]

Bobby Jindal is an effing coward

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-evolution

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal dodged three questions on Tuesday about whether he personally believes the theory of evolution explains the presence of complex life on Earth.

"The reality is I'm not an evolutionary biologist," the Republican governor and possible 2016 presidential hopeful told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

"What I believe as a father and a husband is that local schools should make decisions on how they teach," he said. "And we can talk about Common Core and why I don't believe in a national curriculum. I think local school districts should make decisions about what should be taught in their classroom. I want my kids to be exposed to the best science, the best critical thinking..."

The reporter interrupted Jindal, a Rhodes scholar who studied biology and public policy at Brown University, to press him on the original question of whether he believes the theory of evolution reflects the best scientific thinking about life on Earth.

"I will tell you, as a father, I want my kids to be taught about evolution in their schools, but secondly, I think local school districts should make the decision," he said.

Pressed a third time on what he personally thinks, Jindal again sidestepped.

"I told you what I think. I think that local school districts, not the federal government, should make the decision about how they teach science, biology, economics. I want my kids to be taught about evolution; I want my kids to be taught about other theories."

At the same event, Jindal called the Obama administration "science deniers" upon rolling out a national energy policy blueprint.

Well if he answers that he does believe in evolution he will lose the ISIS wing of the GOP. And he needs them to lose the presidency in 2 years.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Bobby Jindal is an effing coward

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-evolution

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal dodged three questions on Tuesday about whether he personally believes the theory of evolution explains the presence of complex life on Earth.

"The reality is I'm not an evolutionary biologist," the Republican governor and possible 2016 presidential hopeful told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

"What I believe as a father and a husband is that local schools should make decisions on how they teach," he said. "And we can talk about Common Core and why I don't believe in a national curriculum. I think local school districts should make decisions about what should be taught in their classroom. I want my kids to be exposed to the best science, the best critical thinking..."

The reporter interrupted Jindal, a Rhodes scholar who studied biology and public policy at Brown University, to press him on the original question of whether he believes the theory of evolution reflects the best scientific thinking about life on Earth.

"I will tell you, as a father, I want my kids to be taught about evolution in their schools, but secondly, I think local school districts should make the decision," he said.

Pressed a third time on what he personally thinks, Jindal again sidestepped.

"I told you what I think. I think that local school districts, not the federal government, should make the decision about how they teach science, biology, economics. I want my kids to be taught about evolution; I want my kids to be taught about other theories."

At the same event, Jindal called the Obama administration "science deniers" upon rolling out a national energy policy blueprint.

Pfffttt...he's a politician. First rule is suck-up to the voters even if they are backwardsass hicks.