cantstop1999
Footballguy
do you guys really think he can hold on to the job? i can't believe t.bell is going to lose to a rookie. i was very impressed with what t.bell did when giving the chance. what do you think ?
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Tatum isn't involved in the starter conversation.He has a specific role in the Denver system that probably won't change.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Maybe.Depends on how well Mike Bell does. The Broncos can keep him ultra cheap. If he performs well then they might continue to use him for a few years. If he performs VERY well and starts asking for more money then maybe they will trade him to someone else and go with a new guy.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
anybody remember Q.Griffin?
The Denver RB situation - buyer beware.
The Denver RB situation - buyer beware.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
Don't listen to the coach-speak or Denver fans. Tater will splatter 1,500 and 20 over the NFL by week 14. 
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
if you can get Tatum in the 10th round, more power to you! if you take him earlier, well ...Don't listen to the coach-speak or Denver fans. Tater will splatter 1,500 and 20 over the NFL by week 14.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
thats right aroud where i got him.if you can get Tatum in the 10th round, more power to you! if you take him earlier, well ...Don't listen to the coach-speak or Denver fans. Tater will splatter 1,500 and 20 over the NFL by week 14.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Mike Anderson is the starter?! No way. I picked him in the 5th in a late August draft and road him to the championship game.
zamboni
Footballguy
That's what I think it comes down to. Tatum may give you that home run play every now and then, but he still seems to lack that ability to consistently churn out yards.
SSOG
Moderator
Let's play a little game. Q: What do Quentin Griffin, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, Ron Dayne, and Mike Bell all have in common?A: They were all Denver's #1 RB ahead of Tatum Bell within the past two years.Ron Dayne and Mike Bell further LEAPFROGGED TBell, going directly from #3 to #1 on the depth chart. Tatum Bell has *NEVER IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER* every been listed as anything other than the #2 RB while healthy. I don't get why it's so hard to understand that maybe... just maybe... he's second on the depth chart because he's... you know... the second RB.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
You guys are funny
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
I think everybody realizes this now, as there is little resistance posed on the matter. I had Mike Anderson last year and rode him for every point he was worth while laying witness to the legions of TBell supporters scream their lungs out after he had that cluster of monster games.However, let's just say hypothetically Mike Bell turns into a Quentin Griffin. He doesn't have it. He fades away. Will Denver then drag Dayne out there for 20 carries a game? I have a hard time believing that. I think if Mike Bell fizzles, it would be a more even split between Dayne and Tater and Tater could be a nice producer. It seems very clear he's never going to be a full-load type back, but I think that situation would present his maximum value and maybe make him a viable fantasy RB. That's just my logical take, but personally I'd take anything SSOG says as gospel because of his seemingly daily scrutinization of the Broncs.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Doea anyone else have the slight feeling that either Mike or Tatum could be this years LJ? A mid round pick, that if giving the starting job outright could have similar effects on fantasy teams. Might be a bit of a reach, but you never know.
SSOG
Moderator
If Mike Bell washes out, then I'm predicting whoever is #3 on the depth chart to leap Tatum and become the #1. Currently, I believe that's Dayne, but with the turf toe he's in serious risk of getting cut and replaced with Cobbs or Nash.No matter who is starting for Denver won't be getting 20 carries a game. I forsee something like an 18/12 split between the RB1 and Tatum Bell. Obviously if that doesn't work, Shanny will reassess the situation, but I think he's fully planning on giving Tatum Bell about 12 carries a game, and giving the rest to his "Mike Anderson Type", whether that's MBell, Dayne, Nash, or Cobbs.
Anderson and Tatum never alternated series. That was KC who had their RBs alternate. Denver used its RBs situationally- i.e. Anderson would get 5 carries, then Tatum would get two in a row on the same drive, and then Anderson would get another 3, and then Tatum would get one, and then Anderson would get one, and then Tatum would get 3 or 4. That sort of thing- a seemingly random mix predicated on down, distance, and a desire to keep the opponent off-balance.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
The starter will be Daybelnascobbel. No worries.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
To answer the original question... Sure, why not?
fsufan
Footballguy
i agreeI see T. Bell as the starter by week 4
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Well since you see history as repeating itself that would actually mean Cecil Sapp will be the starter because he is the no.2 FB like Droughns.
delusional
Footballguy
Honestly i jsut think shanny doesnt like him period lol
SSOG
Moderator
Cool. Any theories as to why pretty much every single Denver RB has been listed as #1 overall except for TBell? Or any explanations for why the #3 RB keeps leaping past TBell into the #1 spot? Any explanation for why Shanny keeps saying TBell is a CoP back and they'll limit his carries, or for the fact that TBell has never gotten more than 17 carries in a game, or for the fact that Sundquist says that TBell wears down, or for the fact that TBell himself says that Denver isn't giving him a shot at the starting job?I mean, I really don't see a single blessed scrap of real-world evidence to support that viewpoint, so I'm hoping maybe you can clue me in a little bit.
fsufan
Footballguy
other than I have T. Bell in 4 leagues, no
None_More_Black
Footballguy
As an owner of both t.bell and mike anderson last year, t.bell will be a steal this year. You would think that anderson would have gotten all the goal line love last year, but if t.bell was in last year, he got goal line carries. (not terribly effective). I know m.anderson was the touchdown machine, just saying that tatum got his chances. Tatum bell finished at rb 21 last year and I think that this is his floor as m.bell is not m.anderson. I am looking to draft them both as a handcuff, but I would take t.bell over M.bell if I had to choose. My guess on the situation is 60/40 split. (t.bell over mike bell.) T.bell will be top fifteen. Very similar to the situation in dallas.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
I took him in the 8th.thats right aroud where i got him.if you can get Tatum in the 10th round, more power to you! if you take him earlier, well ...Don't listen to the coach-speak or Denver fans. Tater will splatter 1,500 and 20 over the NFL by week 14.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I dealt him away for Heath Miller.
no.
no.
ren hoek
Footballguy
That league give you points for starting guys named Heath?
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Any change in the Mike Bell convo after tonight? Cobbs looked decent, all be it against the 2nd d. I htink Bell still gets the majority this year. But Cobbs isnt looking so bad anymore either. A little wrench in the works...
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I would be shocked if it isn't a committee this year. I'd expect Mike Bell to start fast and fade if he is given a heavy workload in the beginning of the season. What people will never understand is that it takes a very rare human being to run the ball 300 times in the NFL...I doubt Mike Bell is one of them after watching him for the last four years at my alma mater.I'm steering clear of the Denver situation as I don't see a consisten fantasy impact player in this group.
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David Dodds
Administrator
Didn't everyone see the couple of graphics they threw on the screen. Something like TBell's number for his first 11 carries averaged 6 ypc. Carries 12+ averaged like 2 ypc. And they also showed a graphic where games later in the year were also much worse. Call it voodoo etc, but Shanahan believes it is true. He thinks Tatum Bell is a great homerun threat that wears down with more carries.
Only one thing could change Shanahan's mind:
1. Tatum Bell has a workhorse game where this does not happend.
and then he repeats that with another chance. But seriously you guys don't think Bell has been given these chances in all of the practices Shanahan has seen? Hence the role he has. I personally don't think Shanahan will EVER get Tatum Bell 20 carries. Because in his mind, he already knows what will happen.
I know this all sucks for fantasy purposes, but I think Bell squared would be very hard to gameplan against in the NFL. and besides us loving workhorse backs, I am not certain that this particular RBBC is not a good thing for the Denver offense. It sure seemed to work well last year.
Only one thing could change Shanahan's mind:
1. Tatum Bell has a workhorse game where this does not happend.
and then he repeats that with another chance. But seriously you guys don't think Bell has been given these chances in all of the practices Shanahan has seen? Hence the role he has. I personally don't think Shanahan will EVER get Tatum Bell 20 carries. Because in his mind, he already knows what will happen.
I know this all sucks for fantasy purposes, but I think Bell squared would be very hard to gameplan against in the NFL. and besides us loving workhorse backs, I am not certain that this particular RBBC is not a good thing for the Denver offense. It sure seemed to work well last year.
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None_More_Black
Footballguy
Although m.shanahan might adhere to this statistic,(and really that's all that matters)I think it is meaningless beacause of sample size. Dude had a great game against philly last year in the fourth. Bell is a homerun hitter so his ypc is going to be all over the place. (if denver is up in the second half they will be stacking run) The man got a full worload in college so I don't think fatigue is an issue. He is just not a pounder, but neither was portis.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
Shanahan has been a football coach longer than most of us have been alive, and has evaluated hundreds of RBs. He knows what he is doing. His football world didn't begin the day any of decided to get interested in fantasy football, he's proven very successful, and he doesn't care that one out of twelve of us have a vested interest in one guy or the other. He's paid millions to have a successful football team. Those who think they know better who should be playing how much, or think he's playing some sort of mind games, need to realize that it just doesn't work that way. Shanahan is preparing his team to be ready to win football games, nothing more and nothing less, and he's very good at it. He's preparing Mike Bell to start and Tatum Bell to be a CoP guy, and that's that. You can't wish it away.
Or it's a name thing. Anderson. Bell. Shanahan. All named Mike. Hmmm....
Or it's a name thing. Anderson. Bell. Shanahan. All named Mike. Hmmm....
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Jack Ham & Eggs
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Quentin Griffin
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Shhhh Couch Tater your giving up secret recipe for success as Rb which of course has everything to do with being named Mike.
Wrong about Q-TIP.Wrong about Dayne.Wrong about Clarett. Burned a high 2nd rnd pick on Bell, and he hasn't panned out.Signed Dayne, hasn't done much for this team.Q-TIP was the man, woops, he fumbles like crazy.Clarett has crazy talent, woops he's an idiot.Shannys recent track record with RBs is suspect at best.He's a genius when it comes to offensive scheme. Judging talent? Questionable. Denver has not had a bunch of great drafts. In fact, they used 1st rnd picks on trying to fill the CB/WR position, and failed badly. Ratface knows offense. If Mike Bell is the best RB they have, then that pretty much says his Tatum Bell draft, Dayne signing were both mistakes. So I don't want to hear how he's a genius when it comes to talent evaluation. That is not his strong suit; in fact that's his only major weakness. 2 months ago Dayne was the starter. Will Mike Bell pan out? Who knows. He replaced Dayne without hesitation. He replaced Q-TIP. Replace Droughns. Replaced MA. Replaced Portis. If Mike Bell starts 4 games then never plays again, it wouldn't be a big story. He's an undrafted rookie RB. There's about 50 of them still looking for work. If Mike Bell lights up the league, good for him. This is why the Dayne hype was flawed. Dayne is horrible. Ratface isn't stupid. He'll run with his best option. If that's Tatum Bell, Tatum Bell will be starting. If that's Mike, he'll start Mike. If it's Cobbs, he'll start Cobbs. Ratface will start whoever gives him the best chance to win, end of story. And if you look at his recent history, he'll replace his starting RB usually every year. Mike Bell is where Dayne was 2 months ago. If he keeps it up, plays well in the regular season, I'm sure he will still be the starter. If he struggles, Ratface will replace him without hesitation. This is a team built to win now. The Denver RB situation is a mess. And in Dynasty, it's a waste of time and roster spots. Sell high on Mike Bell, and let someone else use 5 roster spots on Denver RBs.
SSOG
Moderator
Dude, it was a committee LAST year, remember? Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell still finished 10th and 22nd.What people will never understand is that a Denver RB doesn't need to run the ball 300 times in the NFL to have fantasy value. Mike Anderson was a top-10 RB last season with just 240 carries.
Great, then you wouldn't mind laying a little wager on it. I'd bet you $100 dollars at 5:1 odds in my favor that Mike holds off Tatum. According to your 15% figure, I'm giving you one sweetheart of a deal here.
What does Quentin Griffin have to do with anything at all? Quentin Griffin sucked, and Tatum Bell still didn't become the #1 RB.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
you can figure it out...I'm comparing Mike Bell to Quentin Griffin because of their obvious similarities. The purpose in doing so is to invalidate CP's above comment.
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jerseydevil20
Footballguy
Mike AndersonTatum Bell =
Mike Bell
Is this the ultimate Skeletor joke? Has anyone verified that Mike Bell is an actual person?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Mike Bell-RB- Broncos Aug. 27 - 10:27 pm et
Mike Bell rushed for 20 yards on nine carries in Sunday's game.
Mike added one catch for four yards. Tatum Bell carried ten times for 36 yards, including a one-yard touchdown on Denver's first goal-line carry of the night. The Broncos rotated the Bells every other possession.
Cedric Cobbs-RB- Broncos Aug. 27 - 10:34 pm et
As expected, Cedric Cobbs was Denver's third tailback Sunday night.
Ron Dayne and Damien Nash are hurt. Cobbs was productive on his seven carries, gaining 54 yards, including an explosive up-the-gut 26-yard scamper for a score. He also made a 12-yard catch.
Mike Bell rushed for 20 yards on nine carries in Sunday's game.
Mike added one catch for four yards. Tatum Bell carried ten times for 36 yards, including a one-yard touchdown on Denver's first goal-line carry of the night. The Broncos rotated the Bells every other possession.
Cedric Cobbs-RB- Broncos Aug. 27 - 10:34 pm et
As expected, Cedric Cobbs was Denver's third tailback Sunday night.
Ron Dayne and Damien Nash are hurt. Cobbs was productive on his seven carries, gaining 54 yards, including an explosive up-the-gut 26-yard scamper for a score. He also made a 12-yard catch.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
It seems your want to say that a coach has to have a 100% starter rate on every player that comes to camp. Pretty weird argument. I was talking about Shanahan successfully choosing the right players to make starters. Please don't take the argument into an entirely different realm.Dayne and Clarett were never made starters nor was either ever promised a thing. Dayne was competing this year in camp, the coach made clear it was an open competition, and after about a week it was dteremined Mike Bell had surpassed him. There's no "Wrong about Dayne" there. Clarett was a disaster from the beginning. He was never made the starter. There's no "Wrong about Clarett" there either. T Bell was drafted in the 2nd but never promised anything (as for him not panning out, he's got a 5+ YPC precisely because he has been used in the way he should be. How is that not panning out?). You seem to be getting confused between Sundquist's job of bringing guys in and Shanahan's job of evaluating who will be successful in his system once they've practiced for him, and choosing the right one as starter.So, it appears your (and LHUCKS) whole foundation for Shanahan NOT being successful in deciding who his starter should be is Q Griffin. Apparently, Griffin's short stay as starter outweighs all the success that these RBs had: Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, Clinton Portis. Just throw out the name 'Quentin Griffin' and all the rest is meaningless. That's brilliant. I wonder why it is, too, that no one remembers Griffin's 28-136 in week 16 of '03, or his 23-156-2 in week 1 of '04. Nope, they only want to remember weeks 2-4 of '04 when he did poorly (JAX, SD, TB) and then was pulled in favor of Droughns for game 5. So, it's on the basis of three games in '04 that you guys have decided Shanny's ability to evaluate RBs is now 'suspect at best'. Unbelievable.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Didn't we already go through this once with Dayne?
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
This topis is about Tatum Bell owners not learning to let go.. I loved Bell once.. When he was prety much given the starters job and blew it. Now I don't see him being anything more then a 3rd down back or change of speed. I dealt Bell last year early on for Marvin Harrison when he was like the #20th WR for the year.. I have never looked back. In my 12 team keeper league took Mike in the 5th.. With the keepers thats like the 10th round redraft. I feel he is a steal there.. Tatum will not do anything unless Mike gets hurt..
