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These guys are intriguing to me. Both are probably sitting on the bottoms of some league rosters or floating around waivers and I wanted to generate some discussion on their value going forward.

To me, it seems that Maclin should out perform Nicks from here on out, because he plays for a pass first team and he's the #2 WR in the offense. Nicks on the other hand is playing behind Smith and Manningham, and very well could be the 4th or 5th option in that option (you could probably make the same argument for Maclin too). But for some reason Nicks seems to be putting up consistent numbers since the return of his injury.

What do you guys see as the big difference between these two? Does either one of them carry much fantasy value going forward? Are either of these guys on your radar to target and acquire cheap? Or are they destined to be WR4-WR5 on your rosters, with the hope you can plug one in for bye weeks or injury fillers? Can either of these guys put up good numbers down the fantasy stretch to make them worthwhile?

 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.

 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
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IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
I'm not, b/c he is really and #2a/b
 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
I'm not, b/c he is really and #2a/b
Agreed. And I think his role will expand as the season goes on.
 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
I'm not, b/c he is really and #2a/b
Agreed. And I think his role will expand as the season goes on.
My concern with Nicks is the fact that he hasn't been getting in the lineup until later in the game. I have never seen him be the the go-to guy from the start, which is the kind of thing you would hope to see at least ONCE before starting to talk about a rookie as a possible breakout stud.
 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
I'm not, b/c he is really and #2a/b
Agreed. And I think his role will expand as the season goes on.
My concern with Nicks is the fact that he hasn't been getting in the lineup until later in the game. I have never seen him be the the go-to guy from the start, which is the kind of thing you would hope to see at least ONCE before starting to talk about a rookie as a possible breakout stud.
Will this be the case with Manningham's "mystery injury" though?
 
On the radio in NYC, Mike Francesa was saying they have been working Nicks back into the lineup slowly ever since his injury. He seems to think Nicks is the best of the bunch long term, and believes the Giants were just being cautious with Nicks.

Hard to say for sure, but just going by watching the games...I would take Nicks before Maclin, even for this season going forward. Maclin seems to be a bit of a one tricky pony for now and McNabb doesnt exactly have 5 seconds to wait in the pocket for Maclin to get deep, with the OL troubles.

 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
In our league Smith is #2 and Manningham is #10 for WRs. The way Manning is targeting WR, he could have three in the top 20. I don't see it as #1, #2, and #3....I see 1a, 1b, and 1c. I think they all could be playable.
 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
In our league Smith is #2 and Manningham is #10 for WRs. The way Manning is targeting WR, he could have three in the top 20. I don't see it as #1, #2, and #3....I see 1a, 1b, and 1c. I think they all could be playable.
Nicks has only been getting in the game late, as previously mentioned. On top of that he has seen elevated targets because of Manningham's injury. Nicks is a clear #3 on the Giants IMO. I think he has a better career outlook right now but for this season I'd take Maclin as he should see more consistent playing time.
 
Nicks for sure.Maclin has been Jekyll and Hyde this year, while Nicks has performed every game he has been in
:goodposting: Guy's had two starts, and is a rookie....this evaluation is unfair at the least. He caught passes on all sorts of patterns against TB...hardly a "one trick pony".I see them as similar prospects at this point, talented rookies involved in their team's passing games but not yet polished enough to be reliable on a weekly basis. Terrific dynasty stashes, inconsistant flex/bye week #3 plays for all leagues this year.
 
I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.

I think Maclin will probably be a feast-or-famine WR this season and beyond. Even if he eventually develops into a reliable #1, I don't think it will happen this season. He'll have some big games mixed in with a lot of duds.

 
Can anyone explain what happened to Maclin in Oak? Didn't see the game.

Is this basically the same role Curtis used to fulfill?

 
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I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.
Well, which one is it? I think it's pretty outlandish to think Nicks will be taking over the #1 role in NYG this year. Especially considering that his playing time has pretty much all come late in games and when Manningham has been injured. He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.I've always felt that S. Smith was going to be destined for a WR3/slot role personally, but he is clearly better than I gave him credit for. At least he is playing better than that now. There is no reason what so ever for NYG to be changing around the WR pecking order this season. Both Smith and Manningham are lighting it up. Unless both guys get injured Nicks is the WR3 at best. In the future I could see Manningham and Nicks starting with Smith out of the slot (assuming he hasn't played himself into a trade) but this thread seems to be talking about this year alone.

 
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I am an Eagles fan, and the answer is Nicks by far. You saw what Eli did with Plaxico. Here is another big receiver who was a MONSTER in preseason and has found the end zone three weeks in a row. Maclin still seems fragile to me.

 
He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.
You assume depth charts stay constant. Nicks is #3 because he is a rookie WR, and it takes time for a rookie WR and QB to get on the same page. Manningham has dropped some balls and is fighting injuries. Nicks is making the most of his opportunities and gaining the confidence of the team. Nicks is the WR3 at worst. He is quite possibly working his way into being the WR2 in the eyes of the coaches and Eli.
 
Nicks absolutely has the most upside of this crew. The sky is the limit for him.

I like the Donald Driver analogy for Steve Smith above. In that same analogy, when Driver and Javon Walker were both playing (and excelling) in Green Bay, you could compare Nicks to the Walker role. He's the closest thing the Giants have to a TO, Colston, Brandon Marshall, etc. He looks slightly timid to me in games, but that's totally expected as a rookie. He's still looked good. Give him a year or two to grow into the NFL and adjust, and he could be tremendous in that offense.

 
I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.
Well, which one is it? I think it's pretty outlandish to think Nicks will be taking over the #1 role in NYG this year. Especially considering that his playing time has pretty much all come late in games and when Manningham has been injured. He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.I've always felt that S. Smith was going to be destined for a WR3/slot role personally, but he is clearly better than I gave him credit for. At least he is playing better than that now. There is no reason what so ever for NYG to be changing around the WR pecking order this season. Both Smith and Manningham are lighting it up. Unless both guys get injured Nicks is the WR3 at best. In the future I could see Manningham and Nicks starting with Smith out of the slot (assuming he hasn't played himself into a trade) but this thread seems to be talking about this year alone.
Nicks is the WR3 at the absolute worst, not best - but more likely he is 2b to someone's 2a, or perhaps even 1c to the others 1a and 1b. He is the most talented of the bunch, he's already showing that on the field (I don't care when in the games he is showing it, it doesn't really matter), and his talent will eventually force him into a more prominent role, and that should happen sooner rather than later.
 
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I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.
Well, which one is it? I think it's pretty outlandish to think Nicks will be taking over the #1 role in NYG this year. Especially considering that his playing time has pretty much all come late in games and when Manningham has been injured. He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.I've always felt that S. Smith was going to be destined for a WR3/slot role personally, but he is clearly better than I gave him credit for. At least he is playing better than that now. There is no reason what so ever for NYG to be changing around the WR pecking order this season. Both Smith and Manningham are lighting it up. Unless both guys get injured Nicks is the WR3 at best. In the future I could see Manningham and Nicks starting with Smith out of the slot (assuming he hasn't played himself into a trade) but this thread seems to be talking about this year alone.
Nicks is the WR3 at the absolute worst, not best - but more likely he is 2b to someone's 2a, or perhaps even 1c to the others 1a and 1b. He is the most talented of the bunch, he's already showing that on the field (I don't care when in the games he is showing it, it doesn't really matter), and his talent will eventually force him into a more prominent role, and that should happen sooner rather than later.
Manningham is the most talented IMO. Nicks looks good but he is clearly cemented as the WR3 for this year. I'd agree he is no worse than that, but he isn't any better than that either. You do understand that he can be both the WR3 at best and at worst, right? Smith and Manningham are firmly locked in as the starters it seems. Both are playing exceptionally well too. If he was 2b or 1c or whatever number letter combos you want to throw out there then he would be playing more early in games.
 
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I'm counting on consistent inconsistency from both receivers all season. You'll bench them just before a huge game, then start them just before a two catch performance. Wait till next year for redraft leagues.

 
23 posts and not even one mention of Hixon.

Unless you think the guy is never going to resurface, then he's another guy that'll be competing with Nicks for targets.

That makes the absolute worst case, Smith Manningham Hixon all ahead of Nicks.

 
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I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.
Well, which one is it? I think it's pretty outlandish to think Nicks will be taking over the #1 role in NYG this year. Especially considering that his playing time has pretty much all come late in games and when Manningham has been injured. He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.I've always felt that S. Smith was going to be destined for a WR3/slot role personally, but he is clearly better than I gave him credit for. At least he is playing better than that now. There is no reason what so ever for NYG to be changing around the WR pecking order this season. Both Smith and Manningham are lighting it up. Unless both guys get injured Nicks is the WR3 at best. In the future I could see Manningham and Nicks starting with Smith out of the slot (assuming he hasn't played himself into a trade) but this thread seems to be talking about this year alone.
Nicks is the WR3 at the absolute worst, not best - but more likely he is 2b to someone's 2a, or perhaps even 1c to the others 1a and 1b. He is the most talented of the bunch, he's already showing that on the field (I don't care when in the games he is showing it, it doesn't really matter), and his talent will eventually force him into a more prominent role, and that should happen sooner rather than later.
Manningham is the most talented IMO. Nicks looks good but he is clearly cemented as the WR3 for this year. I'd agree he is no worse than that, but he isn't any better than that either. You do understand that he can be both the WR3 at best and at worst, right? Smith and Manningham are firmly locked in as the starters it seems. Both are playing exceptionally well too. If he was 2b or 1c or whatever number letter combos you want to throw out there then he would be playing more early in games.
Not sure why you would say Manningham is more talented. I believe Nicks has more upside and he has better hands.
 
thatguy said:
I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.
Well, which one is it? I think it's pretty outlandish to think Nicks will be taking over the #1 role in NYG this year. Especially considering that his playing time has pretty much all come late in games and when Manningham has been injured. He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.I've always felt that S. Smith was going to be destined for a WR3/slot role personally, but he is clearly better than I gave him credit for. At least he is playing better than that now. There is no reason what so ever for NYG to be changing around the WR pecking order this season. Both Smith and Manningham are lighting it up. Unless both guys get injured Nicks is the WR3 at best. In the future I could see Manningham and Nicks starting with Smith out of the slot (assuming he hasn't played himself into a trade) but this thread seems to be talking about this year alone.
Nicks is the WR3 at the absolute worst, not best - but more likely he is 2b to someone's 2a, or perhaps even 1c to the others 1a and 1b. He is the most talented of the bunch, he's already showing that on the field (I don't care when in the games he is showing it, it doesn't really matter), and his talent will eventually force him into a more prominent role, and that should happen sooner rather than later.
Manningham is the most talented IMO. Nicks looks good but he is clearly cemented as the WR3 for this year. I'd agree he is no worse than that, but he isn't any better than that either. You do understand that he can be both the WR3 at best and at worst, right? Smith and Manningham are firmly locked in as the starters it seems. Both are playing exceptionally well too. If he was 2b or 1c or whatever number letter combos you want to throw out there then he would be playing more early in games.
Not sure why you would say Manningham is more talented. I believe Nicks has more upside and he has better hands.
Because I think he is. I've always been a big believer in Manningham's ability. He has special ability IMO. He is ridiculously quick in and out of his cuts and has great explosion. You have to remember that had this guy not bombed his combine he would have been drafted a lot higher. You don't have to agree but Manningham's ability has been getting short changed around here for over a year.
 
IMO Nicks easily has more upside for the rest of the season. I also think his dynasty outlook is brighter. I don't have much to go on, though, other than what I've seen with my eyes. I'm fully convinced Nicks has the tools to be a legit #1 do-it-all WR. I am not yet convinced that Maclin is anything more than a deep threat, albeit a very good deep threat. But I could be very wrong.
Are you concerned with his sitting 3rd on the WR depth chart vs Maclin sitting 2nd on his WR depth chart?
I'm not, b/c he is really and #2a/b
and soon he will be the #1
 
I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.I think Maclin will probably be a feast-or-famine WR this season and beyond. Even if he eventually develops into a reliable #1, I don't think it will happen this season. He'll have some big games mixed in with a lot of duds.
Maclin is Santana Moss and Nicks is Boldin
 
I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.I think Maclin will probably be a feast-or-famine WR this season and beyond. Even if he eventually develops into a reliable #1, I don't think it will happen this season. He'll have some big games mixed in with a lot of duds.
Maclin is Santana Moss and Nicks is Boldin
Nice comparisons.
 
thatguy said:
I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.
Well, which one is it? I think it's pretty outlandish to think Nicks will be taking over the #1 role in NYG this year. Especially considering that his playing time has pretty much all come late in games and when Manningham has been injured. He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.I've always felt that S. Smith was going to be destined for a WR3/slot role personally, but he is clearly better than I gave him credit for. At least he is playing better than that now. There is no reason what so ever for NYG to be changing around the WR pecking order this season. Both Smith and Manningham are lighting it up. Unless both guys get injured Nicks is the WR3 at best. In the future I could see Manningham and Nicks starting with Smith out of the slot (assuming he hasn't played himself into a trade) but this thread seems to be talking about this year alone.
Nicks is the WR3 at the absolute worst, not best - but more likely he is 2b to someone's 2a, or perhaps even 1c to the others 1a and 1b. He is the most talented of the bunch, he's already showing that on the field (I don't care when in the games he is showing it, it doesn't really matter), and his talent will eventually force him into a more prominent role, and that should happen sooner rather than later.
Manningham is the most talented IMO. Nicks looks good but he is clearly cemented as the WR3 for this year. I'd agree he is no worse than that, but he isn't any better than that either. You do understand that he can be both the WR3 at best and at worst, right? Smith and Manningham are firmly locked in as the starters it seems. Both are playing exceptionally well too. If he was 2b or 1c or whatever number letter combos you want to throw out there then he would be playing more early in games.
Manningham (who is lightning quick) is not getting great separation and his hands are the worst of the 3. Hard to know when it will happen, but by game 1 of next year Nicks will be the #1 receiver. Smith, Manningham and don't forget Hixon will be filling out the field well.
 
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thatguy said:
I would say Nicks. I think he's the closest thing NYG has to a true #1 WR. Yes, Steve Smith is having a great year, but he won't be catching anyone off guard anymore and I think his skill set is better suited to a Bobby Engram/Donald Driver type role. I look for Nicks to eventually supplant him as the top producer here. Given how well he has played so far, it might even happen this season.
Well, which one is it? I think it's pretty outlandish to think Nicks will be taking over the #1 role in NYG this year. Especially considering that his playing time has pretty much all come late in games and when Manningham has been injured. He is clearly positioned as the WR3 at best.I've always felt that S. Smith was going to be destined for a WR3/slot role personally, but he is clearly better than I gave him credit for. At least he is playing better than that now. There is no reason what so ever for NYG to be changing around the WR pecking order this season. Both Smith and Manningham are lighting it up. Unless both guys get injured Nicks is the WR3 at best. In the future I could see Manningham and Nicks starting with Smith out of the slot (assuming he hasn't played himself into a trade) but this thread seems to be talking about this year alone.
Nicks is the WR3 at the absolute worst, not best - but more likely he is 2b to someone's 2a, or perhaps even 1c to the others 1a and 1b. He is the most talented of the bunch, he's already showing that on the field (I don't care when in the games he is showing it, it doesn't really matter), and his talent will eventually force him into a more prominent role, and that should happen sooner rather than later.
Manningham is the most talented IMO. Nicks looks good but he is clearly cemented as the WR3 for this year. I'd agree he is no worse than that, but he isn't any better than that either. You do understand that he can be both the WR3 at best and at worst, right? Smith and Manningham are firmly locked in as the starters it seems. Both are playing exceptionally well too. If he was 2b or 1c or whatever number letter combos you want to throw out there then he would be playing more early in games.
Manningham (who is lightning quick) is not getting great separation and his hands are the worst of the 3. Hard to know when it will happen, but by game 1 of next year Nicks will be the #1 receiver. Smith, Manningham and don't forget Hixon will be filling out the field well.
We'll see.
 
Manningham (who is lightning quick) is not getting great separation and his hands are the worst of the 3. Hard to know when it will happen, but by game 1 of next year Nicks will be the #1 receiver. Smith, Manningham and don't forget Hixon will be filling out the field well.
We'll see.
Sure. That is the beauty of these forums...someone will always come back months from now and show a prediction to be wrong...or maybe even right. Manningham has been inconsistent with his hands though and that is hard to argue. In another topic on the Giants I didn't feel that any of the Giant receivers would maintain a great fantasy value because I thought they were all good and would all take away from each other. This prediction is not looking good right now. The only player that I felt could stand above was Nicks. Further, Manningham after doing nothing before the start of this year showed inconsistent hands and that scared me away from him. he is still showing those hands, but he is also showing the quickness that made him a high draft pick. My belief is that skill set best aligns with a slot receiver with Nicks and Smith on the outside. Hixon, who I also like will do most of the return duties which saps some of his energy and then would be the 4th guy.I also wonder if the Giants offense would not be better off in more of a spread eliminating the fullback and sometimes eliminating the TE. I am not a big fan of Hedgecock as he has NO game outside of blocking and his blocking isn't that great to justify his position. Let Eli read the play and go with either 3 or 4 WR sets. Jacobs or Bradshaw would be the solo back. Jacobs is excellent in pass blocking so he could stay in and Bradshaw would put a little more pressure in the passing game with better receiving ability.
 
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I am getting sick of this Nicks guy scoring TD's in mop up duty. This time in the second quarter with the game tied at 7....

 

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