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Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.
 

Oh Criminy. I remember you won a prop freebie and couldn’t cash out.
My gambling journey was short but displayed my ability to fully commit to something. The funny thing is I actually got decent at it. Most days I placed three fifty dollar bets hoping to win two. I knew it was a problem when I was researching home and away rebounding splits on players going up against a team that has 3 players or more born overseas. Ha ha

***Kids. Gambling bad***

Man, I just remember you thinking you won and then you hadn't. I'm kind of impressed you stuck the **** with it and cashed out, baby!!!

Good work.
 

Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.

I know you're kind of prone to conspiracies and clandestine Oz-behind-the-curtain stuff, but you're not out of place here. I didn't know they were doing this with games when I heard about the scandal. This is becoming a monthly event.

I don't trust these ****ers anymore. Why would I?

I mean, that thing with the smashing of the videotapes by the NFL upthread. It used to be my goodwill and faith was rock solid. This ****? They've given me fiat goodwill in place of my bedrock beliefs. Watch it inflate and totally lose value. And then when that **** loses all belief, it's like the Weimar wheelbarrows of currency, only for sport.

These greedy morons. They're not just killing the goose that laid the golden egg, they're putting their hands up their own asses and trying to pull one through their taint after it's dead.
 
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Oh Criminy. I remember you won a prop freebie and couldn’t cash out.
My gambling journey was short but displayed my ability to fully commit to something. The funny thing is I actually got decent at it. Most days I placed three fifty dollar bets hoping to win two. I knew it was a problem when I was researching home and away rebounding splits on players going up against a team that has 3 players or more born overseas. Ha ha

***Kids. Gambling bad***
It took me about 18 months to get my fill of it. Same sort of scenario with winning early and not taking the money out. It wasn't big money, but I turned $50 into almost $500 playing NCAA/NFL football and thought I cracked the code to profits. Ended up losing all $500. Put in another $250 worth with some bonuses and did ok with it. Football ended and I tried my luck with Basketball and baseball, but those were uneducated bets. I was just guessing. Small amounts each day, but kept me engaged with the box scores each night.

Football season came around this year and I had probably $200 left in the account. Lost it all in the first two weeks and have zero interest in putting in more money to continue. I can see the dangers though.

technically I still have $50 bucks invested that Cade Klubnik wins the Heisman. Silly me.
 

Oh Criminy. I remember you won a prop freebie and couldn’t cash out.
My gambling journey was short but displayed my ability to fully commit to something. The funny thing is I actually got decent at it. Most days I placed three fifty dollar bets hoping to win two. I knew it was a problem when I was researching home and away rebounding splits on players going up against a team that has 3 players or more born overseas. Ha ha

***Kids. Gambling bad***
It took me about 18 months to get my fill of it. Same sort of scenario with winning early and not taking the money out. It wasn't big money, but I turned $50 into almost $500 playing NCAA/NFL football and thought I cracked the code to profits. Ended up losing all $500. Put in another $250 worth with some bonuses and did ok with it. Football ended and I tried my luck with Basketball and baseball, but those were uneducated bets. I was just guessing. Small amounts each day, but kept me engaged with the box scores each night.

Football season came around this year and I had probably $200 left in the account. Lost it all in the first two weeks and have zero interest in putting in more money to continue. I can see the dangers though.

technically I still have $50 bucks invested that Cade Klubnik wins the Heisman. Silly me.
Thought it was a decent bet. If you believed Clempson would do as well as the polls, he would have had a very good shot at it.

I've made a lot off of these promos out there, but matched betting doesn't make sense with the new tax laws/limits/bans. Still have some fun but never bet more than $15 on anything that is a real gamble.
 
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It took me about 18 months to get my fill of it. Same sort of scenario with winning early and not taking the money out. It wasn't big money, but I turned $50 into almost $500 playing NCAA/NFL football and thought I cracked the code to profits. Ended up losing all $500. Put in another $250 worth with some bonuses and did ok with it. Football ended and I tried my luck with Basketball and baseball, but those were uneducated bets. I was just guessing. Small amounts each day, but kept me engaged with the box scores each night.

Football season came around this year and I had probably $200 left in the account. Lost it all in the first two weeks and have zero interest in putting in more money to continue. I can see the dangers though.

technically I still have $50 bucks invested that Cade Klubnik wins the Heisman. Silly me.
Our stories kinda sum up the problem. Two normal, level headed adults can easily get caught up in it. Caught up in it hard. At one point in my journey, I thought I could make gambling like this a steady income. I was sucked in. The problem then becomes how many can get sucked in and just can't just walk away? We were both lucky.
 

Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.

I know you're kind of prone to conspiracies and clandestine Oz-behind-the-curtain stuff, but you're not out of place here. I didn't know they were doing this with games when I heard about the scandal. This is becoming a monthly event.

I don't trust these ****ers anymore. Why would I?

I mean, that thing with the smashing of the videotapes by the NFL upthread. It used to be my goodwill and faith was rock solid. This ****? They've given me fiat goodwill in place of my bedrock beliefs. Watch it inflate and totally lose value. And then when that **** loses all belief, it's like the Weimar wheelbarrows of currency, only for sport.

These greedy morons. They're not just killing the golden goose, they're putting their hands up their own asses and trying to pull their taint through it like it's a golden egg.
Totally agree, the NFL doesn't need this. They have a license to print money. Maintaining the integrity of the game should be their focus right now. That probably means cleaning up some of the officiating. Will the NFL actually care enough to do it? Probably not.
 

Oh Criminy. I remember you won a prop freebie and couldn’t cash out.
My gambling journey was short but displayed my ability to fully commit to something. The funny thing is I actually got decent at it. Most days I placed three fifty dollar bets hoping to win two. I knew it was a problem when I was researching home and away rebounding splits on players going up against a team that has 3 players or more born overseas. Ha ha

***Kids. Gambling bad***
It took me about 18 months to get my fill of it. Same sort of scenario with winning early and not taking the money out. It wasn't big money, but I turned $50 into almost $500 playing NCAA/NFL football and thought I cracked the code to profits. Ended up losing all $500. Put in another $250 worth with some bonuses and did ok with it. Football ended and I tried my luck with Basketball and baseball, but those were uneducated bets. I was just guessing. Small amounts each day, but kept me engaged with the box scores each night.

Football season came around this year and I had probably $200 left in the account. Lost it all in the first two weeks and have zero interest in putting in more money to continue. I can see the dangers though.

technically I still have $50 bucks invested that Cade Klubnik wins the Heisman. Silly me.
Thought it was a decent bet. If you believed Clempson would do as well as the polls, he would have had a very good shot at it.

I've made a lot of these promos out there, but matched betting doesn't make sense with the new tax laws/limits/bans. Still have some fun but never bet more than $15 on anything that is a real gamble.
On paper Clemson looked legit. Couple first round DL picks, 3 NFL quality WRs... Klubnik only had to be average, but that whole program is a mess at the moment.
 

Oh Criminy. I remember you won a prop freebie and couldn’t cash out.
My gambling journey was short but displayed my ability to fully commit to something. The funny thing is I actually got decent at it. Most days I placed three fifty dollar bets hoping to win two. I knew it was a problem when I was researching home and away rebounding splits on players going up against a team that has 3 players or more born overseas. Ha ha

***Kids. Gambling bad***
It took me about 18 months to get my fill of it. Same sort of scenario with winning early and not taking the money out. It wasn't big money, but I turned $50 into almost $500 playing NCAA/NFL football and thought I cracked the code to profits. Ended up losing all $500. Put in another $250 worth with some bonuses and did ok with it. Football ended and I tried my luck with Basketball and baseball, but those were uneducated bets. I was just guessing. Small amounts each day, but kept me engaged with the box scores each night.

Football season came around this year and I had probably $200 left in the account. Lost it all in the first two weeks and have zero interest in putting in more money to continue. I can see the dangers though.

technically I still have $50 bucks invested that Cade Klubnik wins the Heisman. Silly me.
Thought it was a decent bet. If you believed Clempson would do as well as the polls, he would have had a very good shot at it.

I've made a lot of these promos out there, but matched betting doesn't make sense with the new tax laws/limits/bans. Still have some fun but never bet more than $15 on anything that is a real gamble.
On paper Clemson looked legit. Couple first round DL picks, 3 NFL quality WRs... Klubnik only had to be average, but that whole program is a mess at the moment.
Yeah. As a South Carolina alum/season ticket holder I was preparing myself for another deep playoff run by Clemson for the same reasons :lol:

Not sure why they've fallen apart. Hopefully that Wesco Jr. guy transfers...
 

Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.

I know you're kind of prone to conspiracies and clandestine Oz-behind-the-curtain stuff, but you're not out of place here. I didn't know they were doing this with games when I heard about the scandal. This is becoming a monthly event.

I don't trust these ****ers anymore. Why would I?

I mean, that thing with the smashing of the videotapes by the NFL upthread. It used to be my goodwill and faith was rock solid. This ****? They've given me fiat goodwill in place of my bedrock beliefs. Watch it inflate and totally lose value. And then when that **** loses all belief, it's like the Weimar wheelbarrows of currency, only for sport.

These greedy morons. They're not just killing the golden goose, they're putting their hands up their own asses and trying to pull their taint through it like it's a golden egg.
Totally agree, the NFL doesn't need this. They have a license to print money. Maintaining the integrity of the game should be their focus right now. That probably means cleaning up some of the officiating. Will the NFL actually care enough to do it? Probably not.

The worst part of it is that I don't think it's fixed at this point but if they don't do something about it it's never coming back. And the problem is . . . well there are a few things. The owners are nepo kids and they're not very bright. I'm sorry to curse; I'm going to talk like I'm talking at a bar to an old friend and I've been a bit crude lately, but this deserves it.

The kids that inherited their parents' teams have no clue what to do and they're wealthy but cash poor and illiquid. And they're not bright. I've heard them talk, dude.

I mean, Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft are your lead owners??? Geriatric Jones and the Dessicated Asian hand job King? Those are your public-facing representatives? That's as bad as our current poltiical climate. It's actually just a touch better because I'm not expecting a proposal to replace the Lincoln Memorial with a giant planetarium that has the coolest light show and makes its giant aquarium all glow-in-the-dark.

I don't know. I don't think the 32 owners have the wherewithal to get this done and stop it. They're completely wedded to it.

Have you guys heard about the sports futures markets? Hell of a story. Unbelievable. Check the regulatory angle. LOL. it's actually not funny.

 
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Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.

I know you're kind of prone to conspiracies and clandestine Oz-behind-the-curtain stuff, but you're not out of place here. I didn't know they were doing this with games when I heard about the scandal. This is becoming a monthly event.

I don't trust these ****ers anymore. Why would I?

I mean, that thing with the smashing of the videotapes by the NFL upthread. It used to be my goodwill and faith was rock solid. This ****? They've given me fiat goodwill in place of my bedrock beliefs. Watch it inflate and totally lose value. And then when that **** loses all belief, it's like the Weimar wheelbarrows of currency, only for sport.

These greedy morons. They're not just killing the golden goose, they're putting their hands up their own asses and trying to pull their taint through it like it's a golden egg.
Totally agree, the NFL doesn't need this. They have a license to print money. Maintaining the integrity of the game should be their focus right now. That probably means cleaning up some of the officiating. Will the NFL actually care enough to do it? Probably not.

The worst part of it is that I don't think it's fixed at this point but if they don't do something about it it's never coming back. And the problem is . . . well there are a few things. The owners are nepo kids and they're ****ing dumb as ****. I'm sorry to curse; I'm going to talk like I'm talking at a bar to an old friend and I've been a bit crude lately, but this deserves it.

The kids that inherited their parents' teams have no ****in' clue what to do and they're wealthy but cash poor and illiquid. And they're not bright. I've heard them talk, dude.

I mean, Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft are your lead owners??? Geriatric Jones and the Dessicated Asian hand job King? Those are your public-facing representatives? That's as bad as our current poltiical climate. It's actually just a touch better because I'm not expecting a proposal to replace the Lincoln Memorial with a giant planetarium that has the coolest light show and makes its giant aquarium all glow-in-the-dark.

I don't know. I don't think the 32 owners have the wherewithal to get this done and stop it. They're completely wedded to it.

Have you guys heard about the sports futures markets? Hell of a story. Unbelievable. Check the regulatory angle. LOL. it's actually not funny.

That's the first I've read about Kalshi but I see how that opens a whole new can of worms. I'm a bit confused by the prediction contracts... So a user needs another user to buy the opposing side of that contract in order for the "wager" to be placed. Does this mean every prediction on this platform is a 1 for 1 bet and it requires an even number of betters on each side to work?

Say 100 users wager the Bears beat the Ravens. But only 90 user wager the Ravens beat the Bears. Would that mean the wager is cancelled for 10 of the bears users since there is no house to cover the differences?

Crazy stuff and lol on the NFL owners. They are a unique bunch.
 

Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.

I know you're kind of prone to conspiracies and clandestine Oz-behind-the-curtain stuff, but you're not out of place here. I didn't know they were doing this with games when I heard about the scandal. This is becoming a monthly event.

I don't trust these ****ers anymore. Why would I?

I mean, that thing with the smashing of the videotapes by the NFL upthread. It used to be my goodwill and faith was rock solid. This ****? They've given me fiat goodwill in place of my bedrock beliefs. Watch it inflate and totally lose value. And then when that **** loses all belief, it's like the Weimar wheelbarrows of currency, only for sport.

These greedy morons. They're not just killing the golden goose, they're putting their hands up their own asses and trying to pull their taint through it like it's a golden egg.
Totally agree, the NFL doesn't need this. They have a license to print money. Maintaining the integrity of the game should be their focus right now. That probably means cleaning up some of the officiating. Will the NFL actually care enough to do it? Probably not.

The worst part of it is that I don't think it's fixed at this point but if they don't do something about it it's never coming back. And the problem is . . . well there are a few things. The owners are nepo kids and they're ****ing dumb as ****. I'm sorry to curse; I'm going to talk like I'm talking at a bar to an old friend and I've been a bit crude lately, but this deserves it.

The kids that inherited their parents' teams have no ****in' clue what to do and they're wealthy but cash poor and illiquid. And they're not bright. I've heard them talk, dude.

I mean, Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft are your lead owners??? Geriatric Jones and the Dessicated Asian hand job King? Those are your public-facing representatives? That's as bad as our current poltiical climate. It's actually just a touch better because I'm not expecting a proposal to replace the Lincoln Memorial with a giant planetarium that has the coolest light show and makes its giant aquarium all glow-in-the-dark.

I don't know. I don't think the 32 owners have the wherewithal to get this done and stop it. They're completely wedded to it.

Have you guys heard about the sports futures markets? Hell of a story. Unbelievable. Check the regulatory angle. LOL. it's actually not funny.

That's the first I've read about Kalshi but I see how that opens a whole new can of worms. I'm a bit confused by the prediction contracts... So a user needs another user to buy the opposing side of that contract in order for the "wager" to be placed. Does this mean every prediction on this platform is a 1 for 1 bet and it requires an even number of betters on each side to work?

Say 100 users wager the Bears beat the Ravens. But only 90 user wager the Ravens beat the Bears. Would that mean the wager is cancelled for 10 of the bears users since there is no house to cover the differences?

Crazy stuff and lol on the NFL owners. They are a unique bunch.

Oh, bro. I just got the explanation. It works like futures contracts do. I don't expect you to know that. In fact, I have learned it three times in this life (I said i was an econ major and I was indeed a ****ty one) and I have forgotten or not understood how it works every time, so that ain't an insult.

I'll explain it here. I have a diagram if you want.

It's a wager, but it's a little different than betting a spread or a money line. You'd bet how certain you are (what you think is the probability of) either an affirmative or negative answer to a question relating to sports.

You would technically buy what they call a contract for the the amount that reflected your certainty in the outcome of the question at hand. Say we have an event that we think will happen in sports. What you do is you buy a contract for that probabilistic amount, or what Kalshi calls your "limit order," in its "order book" and then they match your contract in the order book with a contrasting contract that reflects the purchaser believes in or thinks a different outcome will happen than you do. So, say they ask a question about a future sports event or if a club will satisfy a certain proposition in the affirmative or the negative. For example, "Will the Chiefs make the playoffs?" where if they do, or the answer is "yes," then the price "settles" at $100. If they don't, or the answer is "no," then the price "settles" at $0.

So you have two outcomes: yes or no.

You then name a price between $1 and $99 dollars, depending on how probable you think the outcome is. In other words, I think the Chiefs have a 60% chance of making the playoffs, so I buy a "yes" contract at $60. Somebody else thinks that there's less than a sixty percent chance of KC in the playoffs so they buy a "no" contract at $40. It adds to a $100 now and the clearing house, or Kalshi, has the money.

The Chiefs make the playoffs. The event is "yes" and I win, so I get paid the $100 that happens when the event settles at "yes." So I make $40.

That's how it works. But you have to get matched by Kashi in their "order book" to a contrasting bet. I think it is usually $.01 to $.99 or $1 to $99 where the event "settles" at 1 or 0, or in the latter case, 0 or 100. I also think you can buy a bunch of shares at whatever price.

What's in it for Kalshi. They get paid either a rate or a commission on each contract they sell. Their matching service and their built-in clientele are their ostensible cosideration to you.
 
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Not to be preaching, but I think the glorification of online gambling is a bad thing. Seemed to be better when gambling was left for Vegas and Atlantic City, plus some illegal parlays. My stepson wasn’t a gambler previously, but now he plays weekly. I don’t think it’s out of control, but that can change quickly. It’s just too darn easy to do. While I love many things about the internet, there are just as many negatives. Not just with gambling either. It controls too much of our lives and people aren’t as productive or creative as they once were.

As an addict - It's intentional. The NFL knows it can't sell you meth, so it will bring on board anything it knows has a chance to get someone hooked on dopamine surrounding the league. Some apps have weekly or monthly limits and limits to how much you can put in during a certain time limit. And changing the settings once you put them in makes you wait a week, which is more than enough time to feel guilty and change them back. I use Fanduel personally.

As to your old man shouting at the clouds internet bit - I'm going to totally disagree. The internet is what you make of it. Look at puppy videos and you get an algorithm of cuteness. Look for vices and you get vices. The problem is the internet makes access to either instantaneously, and people are more likely to think through a negative action if they have to actively get up and go to acquire their vice.
for creativity... My man you just need to look for it. My kid watches the "brain rot" and it's truly someofff the most off the wall nonsense that comes from ridiculously unchecked creativity. I know very little about video making, but from what I doknow is theree are people working hours to make an AI shark with shoes do... Whatever it does.

We might be too old to understand most of it, but there is more access to creativity than ever before. Just off the top of my head - check outa best offAs Harry Mack compilation. Hell, even fricken skibi toilet becomes a kaiju movie after the first handful of shorts.


Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.

I know you're kind of prone to conspiracies and clandestine Oz-behind-the-curtain stuff, but you're not out of place here. I didn't know they were doing this with games when I heard about the scandal. This is becoming a monthly event.

I don't trust these ****ers anymore. Why would I?

I mean, that thing with the smashing of the videotapes by the NFL upthread. It used to be my goodwill and faith was rock solid. This ****? They've given me fiat goodwill in place of my bedrock beliefs. Watch it inflate and totally lose value. And then when that **** loses all belief, it's like the Weimar wheelbarrows of currency, only for sport.

These greedy morons. They're not just killing the golden goose, they're putting their hands up their own asses and trying to pull their taint through it like it's a golden egg.
Totally agree, the NFL doesn't need this. They have a license to print money. Maintaining the integrity of the game should be their focus right now. That probably means cleaning up some of the officiating. Will the NFL actually care enough to do it? Probably not.
In all reality, the NFL has shown it can weather any controversy and still make a profit. Remember the guys who burned their jerseys over Keapernick? How much do you want to bet that most of them have bought another one since?

You can prove that the entire game is rigged and you give the NFL a few years to rebrand as the WWE of professional sports and it'll be bigger than before. The idea of "the NFL is scripted" has been something I've heard for twenty years at least.

@rockaction the phrase "fiat good will" is probably the best thing I've heard this month. I'm going to need to drop that in a conversation.
 
Not to be preaching, but I think the glorification of online gambling is a bad thing. Seemed to be better when gambling was left for Vegas and Atlantic City, plus some illegal parlays. My stepson wasn’t a gambler previously, but now he plays weekly. I don’t think it’s out of control, but that can change quickly. It’s just too darn easy to do. While I love many things about the internet, there are just as many negatives. Not just with gambling either. It controls too much of our lives and people aren’t as productive or creative as they once were.

As an addict - It's intentional. The NFL knows it can't sell you meth, so it will bring on board anything it knows has a chance to get someone hooked on dopamine surrounding the league. Some apps have weekly or monthly limits and limits to how much you can put in during a certain time limit. And changing the settings once you put them in makes you wait a week, which is more than enough time to feel guilty and change them back. I use Fanduel personally.

As to your old man shouting at the clouds internet bit - I'm going to totally disagree. The internet is what you make of it. Look at puppy videos and you get an algorithm of cuteness. Look for vices and you get vices. The problem is the internet makes access to either instantaneously, and people are more likely to think through a negative action if they have to actively get up and go to acquire their vice.
for creativity... My man you just need to look for it. My kid watches the "brain rot" and it's truly someofff the most off the wall nonsense that comes from ridiculously unchecked creativity. I know very little about video making, but from what I doknow is theree are people working hours to make an AI shark with shoes do... Whatever it does.

We might be too old to understand most of it, but there is more access to creativity than ever before. Just off the top of my head - check outa best offAs Harry Mack compilation. Hell, even fricken skibi toilet becomes a kaiju movie after the first handful of shorts.


Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I actually wasn't trying to. Knowing what we know NOW about Rozier, that clip does look fishy. Historically if a person said Rozier was throwing that game, it's brushed off and laughed at as a semi-unrealistic possibility. In today's world that same claim now has some meat to it and could be worth looking into.

Players are still going to have bad games, but now when allegations are made they won't be as easily dismissed.

Hearing the NCAA is going to let college athletes bet on professional sports starting Nov 1st, I worry about what we will see creep into game. While NCAA athletes can't bet on college, it doesn't mean there won't be a situation where their play can't get them out of gambling losses.

I know you're kind of prone to conspiracies and clandestine Oz-behind-the-curtain stuff, but you're not out of place here. I didn't know they were doing this with games when I heard about the scandal. This is becoming a monthly event.

I don't trust these ****ers anymore. Why would I?

I mean, that thing with the smashing of the videotapes by the NFL upthread. It used to be my goodwill and faith was rock solid. This ****? They've given me fiat goodwill in place of my bedrock beliefs. Watch it inflate and totally lose value. And then when that **** loses all belief, it's like the Weimar wheelbarrows of currency, only for sport.

These greedy morons. They're not just killing the golden goose, they're putting their hands up their own asses and trying to pull their taint through it like it's a golden egg.
Totally agree, the NFL doesn't need this. They have a license to print money. Maintaining the integrity of the game should be their focus right now. That probably means cleaning up some of the officiating. Will the NFL actually care enough to do it? Probably not.
In all reality, the NFL has shown it can weather any controversy and still make a profit. Remember the guys who burned their jerseys over Keapernick? How much do you want to bet that most of them have bought another one since?

You can prove that the entire game is rigged and you give the NFL a few years to rebrand as the WWE of professional sports and it'll be bigger than before. The idea of "the NFL is scripted" has been something I've heard for twenty years at least.

@rockaction the phrase "fiat good will" is probably the best thing I've heard this month. I'm going to need to drop that in a conversation.

Bro, I sincerely hope you use it and if you're so moved I give you full permission in spirit and soul to take credit for creating it. :)

I absolutely love what you wrote in the first part of your answer, and I put the particular part in boldface font because I don't know about algorithms on social media (X/Twitter was showing me awful, awful violence I had NOT consented to nor even indicated I would like by my choices—I mean, we were talking like real-life deaths and murders) but as far as choosing where we go, we not only have a choice but we have the responsibility not to do those things to ourselves and then to others.

It starts somewhere and nobody is pushing those hands down on the keyboard. I think we have that buzzword "agency," but more old-school and (I personally think) accurate is that we have free will, whether you believe it is a gift from God or that it comes from being human. I know most people are determinists these days if they're up to snuff in analytic philosophy, but I have to dissent from that. I would probably weakly but hopefully go with God as the source of it.

Anyway, I just appreciate the compliment and take care, my friend.
 
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Not to be preaching, but I think the glorification of online gambling is a bad thing. Seemed to be better when gambling was left for Vegas and Atlantic City, plus some illegal parlays. My stepson wasn’t a gambler previously, but now he plays weekly. I don’t think it’s out of control, but that can change quickly. It’s just too darn easy to do. While I love many things about the internet, there are just as many negatives. Not just with gambling either. It controls too much of our lives and people aren’t as productive or creative as they once were.
Agreed. I've NEVER been into gambling. I'll bet on Super Bowls but really thats about it. Couple years ago the Mercole Hardman super bowl TD won me 2 grand. Tried to cash out with online site I used and because I used first time bonuses I needed to place 5 grand in bets to cash out. I spent the next 3 months betting on NBA player props. It really took over. Wasn't pretty. The hi and lows of it. Hit my 5 grand in bets and cashed out. Havent played since. During that time I really began to understand what gambling like that can do. It consumes you. If your not careful it can take over and just destroy everything important to you. Imo

I like the phone betting. I hated calling the bookie each week and getting the spreads, then calling back to put the bet in, then waiting for the payment.
 
Meh. This scandal only confirms what I already suspected. I don't bet on sports, I don't go to casinos, and I haven't watched an NBA game in over a decade, and even then, only very rarely. Obviously, the NBA and the betting industry are generating lots of money without me, but I hope this takes a sizable bite out of their profits.

I truly hope this serves as a wake-up call for a whole lot of people.
 
Meh. This scandal only confirms what I already suspected. I don't bet on sports, I don't go to casinos, and I haven't watched an NBA game in over a decade, and even then, only very rarely. Obviously, the NBA and the betting industry are generating lots of money without me, but I hope this takes a sizable bite out of their profits.

I truly hope this serves as a wake-up call for a whole lot of people.

We were having dinner out here on the West Coast and of course we turn on the Dodgers paying the Blue Jays in the World Series like all West Coasters do. I go to check my phone and the box score.

I click the hyperlink on the phone to get to the game's box score and as I scroll no more than to what cannot be more than two phone screens (regular iPhone) I am greeted with "Live Odds" From ESPNBET, which (I guess?) I'll give them credit that it doesn't link directly (the squares with the odds and money line would be easy to hyperlink to . . . anywhere you want!) to their betting service, but these guys are all so in bed with it and getting proprietary with it.

Let it all sink in. The NFL could save itself, but who is going to step up and do it? One of the nepo kids? Jerruh and Bob? The commissioners? Those paid tools of the owners?

It's turtles all the way down, man.
 
Anybody see perp walks and mug shots of the 31 other arrestees? Ya know, these high-ranking members of the La Cosa Nostra. I was looking around but all I keep seeing are the three dudes from the NBA, a bunch of mob stories from the 1980s, and the movie trailer for Goodfella's.
 
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