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NBA Coach and Player among those arrested.
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Major Sports Gambling Scandal (2 Viewers)
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NBA Coach and Player among those arrested.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
i'm just going to assume that every time i've lost at poker this was the reason
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I dont think the NBA Audience cares.
Donaghy would have kneecapped MLB or the NHL. I think it would have markedly hurt the NFL. The NBA, it barely made a blip.
Basketball is the easiest team sport to fix, but the only real way any sport can be fixed in modern constructs is betting player prop unders.
The MLB Relievers on the Indians did a very innocuous form of it that was only uncovered by algorithmic activity.
Football has too many players involved to reliably rig, hockey theres so many guys changing shifts.
You can be an MLB pitcher, a QB but in basketball you have so few players you can manipulate it.
I haven't taken the NBA seriously in years as a league myself.
rschroeder1
Footballguy
I think it is worth noting that the major professional leagues have a very vested interest in the general public believing that players and coaches engaged in this behavior are the bad actors.
Numerous professional teams have partnerships agreements for their "own" sportsbooks - the Commanders have one inside their stadium, Cardinals have one on the stadium complex, and I'm sure there's more I don't know of across the NFL. Other notable examples outside the NFL include the sportsbook literally attached to Wrigley Field.
There are tons of opportunities for teams, and the league as a whole, to engage in subtle manipulation of the betting market, but for some reason this never gets questioned.
Numerous professional teams have partnerships agreements for their "own" sportsbooks - the Commanders have one inside their stadium, Cardinals have one on the stadium complex, and I'm sure there's more I don't know of across the NFL. Other notable examples outside the NFL include the sportsbook literally attached to Wrigley Field.
There are tons of opportunities for teams, and the league as a whole, to engage in subtle manipulation of the betting market, but for some reason this never gets questioned.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
If you wanted a quick fix, really restrict or ban player props
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Too much $$ is being made
Terpman22
Footballguy
Footballdaz
Footballguy
SHOCKER
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Bad gambling rackets have been going on since sports were being played. They got caught. Nothing will change. All names involved in this will be banned for life. NBA moves on. It's an ugly stain, but will fade. It's sad when a league would prolly prefer the names that are being mentioned to be involved in spousal abuse instead of gambling. Smh
rockaction
Footballguy
I stopped paying any attention when Stern put the kibosh on any inquiry into any other ref when Donaghy and another NBA ref, around the time of the investigation, exchanged 10,000 texts with each other in a month back when you had to either have a dedicated BlackBerry or hit each number three times to get a letter. 10,000! In a month. His story as to why it was that number?
They were close friends, he said.
Fellas, do you write your friends 10,000 texts in a month? Has that ever been your modus operandi?
Stern said there was nothing to investigate and no other ref was involved. Only Donaghy, damn it! Shut up you stupid plebes we rule you!!!
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
You can't beat the algorithm these days
Any unusual betting patterns are flagged.
A huge handle dropped on Terry Rozier unders on some sleepy February night, its gonna show.
Any unusual betting patterns are flagged.
A huge handle dropped on Terry Rozier unders on some sleepy February night, its gonna show.
rockaction
Footballguy
Did anybody ever notice that MN corner this year against Cincinnati? The pick-six and then the forced fumble, scoop, and score? That dude?
Did y’all know that that guy—that particular CB—had been suspended for an entire year by the NFL for gambling not just on the NFL, but for gambling on his own team??
A full year. Nobody said peep one about it that I knew of, and they were giving a background story in some of the outlets.
LOL.
Did y’all know that that guy—that particular CB—had been suspended for an entire year by the NFL for gambling not just on the NFL, but for gambling on his own team??
A full year. Nobody said peep one about it that I knew of, and they were giving a background story in some of the outlets.
LOL.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Don't start.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I noticed him getting turned into bacon this past weekend though
rockaction
Footballguy
Okay. Eh, you are going to need to be less general in your command, Sgt. Schultz. What am I starting?
rockaction
Footballguy
I am not going down the “NFL is fixed” route, if that’s the concern. I do not believe that for a minute, and I wouldn’t put so many waking hours into this if I didn’t think it was on the level.
I’m unhappy with how in bed the owners and leagues are with this stuff, and I don’t see it getting much better, which I find sad and depressing because it’s one more piece of evidence that only money talks and anyone looking for something a little beyond the average producer/consumer dynamic can either get bent or grow up.
:(
I’m unhappy with how in bed the owners and leagues are with this stuff, and I don’t see it getting much better, which I find sad and depressing because it’s one more piece of evidence that only money talks and anyone looking for something a little beyond the average producer/consumer dynamic can either get bent or grow up.
:(
BoltNlava
Footballguy
you know. Just don't.
yeah..join the conga line. We feel the same way.
rockaction
Footballguy
Would you like to discuss this?
Who are you and what gives you any right to speak to me that way?
eta* you actually have every right. It’s up to you whether you want to be a complete you-know-what or approach a semblance of coolness
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rockaction
Footballguy
You are completely out of ****ing line.
I’m re-reading it and I get it, but you ought to be really careful telling grown men how to speak or what to do.
Caution.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I wish I knew the study, it may not even be hard data but the good teams are usually home in playoffs and there was research on a level the officials were predisposed to favor the home team, even subconsciously, so as not to have 80,000 people boo them. It wasn't an overt conspiratorial pattern just a product of being human.
That said, if the league isn't fixed in some moments at some times, they leave ample room to question in what can or cannot be challenged. And that goes for college football too. We had a year or two of "you can challenge anything that happens on the field" and that went away quick. We all see obvious PI's, holds and facemarks that dont get called so thats a soft middle to manipulate contests, in theory anyway.
Not the NFL but Notre Dame lost to Texas this year on a 4th and 15 pass when the guard tackled the defensive lineman. It was not a questionable call (I do believe you could call holding on basically every play), this was clear view, etc. Its not called, A&M throws a TD and thats that. No explanation, no questions.
The fact we dont hear from "New York" when they make game altering calls in the games says something.
rockaction
Footballguy
Okay, I think we all have different dispositions, and I don't want to be a relativist and say that people who see fixes everywhere are alright by me because I think that is tedious and untrue, but then there are things where reasonable people are . . . confused? I do not know why the NFL smashed the videotapes of the Patriots recording Mangini's Jets. I'm a Jets fan and I didn't really care, but what sort of evidentiary standard is it when the NFL is smashing the evidence of their member club investigations? Goodell had the nerve to tell Arlen Specter (yes, grandstander extraordinaire, but still a sitting Senator back before that was inherently disgraced) that the matter was closed. The NFL had smashed the evidence and it was over. I'll pull the letter.
This is the LA Times synopsis of the issue.
Goodell's explanation doesn't sway Specter
WASHINGTON -- For Roger Clemens and Major League Baseball, Wednesday marked a conclusion of sorts in Congressional involvement.
www.latimes.com
This is just stunning reading it all over again. I got ChapGPT to find it. Check this correspondence out.
So, yeah, they **** around and they find out why nobody trusts them. How could anyone with an IQ above seventy buy Goodell's explanation? Because he didn't want to give the Patriots a competitive advantage??? They were recording everyone and everywhere and that dour ******* got away with and now karma is coming back, baby, and all I can do is smile about him and Jordon. Love it.
But I digress. What the hell is this explanation?
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Footballdaz
Footballguy
It's why I stopped betting on any sport. I don't trust any of what goes on.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Welcome my son....welcome to the machine.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Not like MLB who just blames the translator.
Jewell
Footballguy
Perhaps both cover-ups to protect the sport’s golden child. We’ll never know for sure, but we can speculate.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I know he already won the championship, but if the baseballing "gods" do exist, he allows the Jays the hoist the trophy this season, in Toronto, right in ohtani's grill.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Billups has always been a really good guy. I've known of him a really long time. The last so many years, no, but I mean high school and like twenty? years he was so adored and respected.
Without a doubt there's still another shoe to drop. What turned him? What happened? What did he go through?
Good guy or not, he did bad and I'm not excusing it in anyway. I'm simply saying there's another part of this story to come.
A really good amount of people have said the same shock the last 24 hours. I hope it's a cue to the investigators. I want to know. Also I'm afraid what that might reveal for the sport too. There has to be more here
Without a doubt there's still another shoe to drop. What turned him? What happened? What did he go through?
Good guy or not, he did bad and I'm not excusing it in anyway. I'm simply saying there's another part of this story to come.
A really good amount of people have said the same shock the last 24 hours. I hope it's a cue to the investigators. I want to know. Also I'm afraid what that might reveal for the sport too. There has to be more here
Yes they were
Guys sitting and others subbed out
It really would be a badly predictable movie if it were.
The Mafia involved makes me think of movies.
Card shufflers that can scan decks and special contacts that can read cards. The poker angle is like a second ball of wax.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
They should give these guys more money, would stop all this.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Really makes this performance by Terry Rozier look fishy in hindsight.
rockaction
Footballguy
Sorry, Terp. I missed this because my screen seemed to turn red for a minute and I didn't know what I was lookin' at or where it was coming from. It was crimson and orange flames started shooting up in back of me—would have made for a weird zoom call.
Yes, String Bean (Mushmouth) and the president from Idiocracy beat MNs secondary all over the field last week. I did not check to see if it was Rodgers. Your Eagles were all were sorta just highlights because even though I roster two of them this year (Hurts and Goedert), I don't fantasy scout any of your players. I know Goedert so I just check the injury report and pray; Hurts is in a redraft I just have fun with; and the only guys that are truly available in my main league, which is a dynasty IDP, are the EDGEs and a DT or two, but they all rotate so much that the volume isn't there to make them viable. I guess I could try and go after the WRs but I don't have the assets to give away willy-nilly and they are totally erratic and variant. I wouldn't pay anywhere near market for your RB. That's crazy. I was skeptical of that guy this year that came around the FBG boards and was talking about touches and all that but I eventually believed him and he turned out totally correct. Saquon is not moving well and looks freaking cooked, which is ironic because now Jalen's gotta throw it.
Anyway, hope you enjoyed your thrashing of Minnesota. Who would have thought Sam Darnold leaving a team would nuke its chances at the postseason (and I took a huge mea culpa on Sam but it was too soon—they're massively protecting him up there in Seattle with their neutral passing rate).
Max Power
Footballguy
The bar is now set. Anyone who has a real poor showing in a game needs to be investigated. 99% of the time it's probably a bad game, but sports can't afford that 1%.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
1) he clearly gambled and should be suspended for a long time, if not barred - we know why he isn't, and that's fine. he's the poster boy. I get it.
2) I think he/his agent used the Jays to make a few (many few) extra millions.
That's all.
Rozier made $160M with the Celtics, Hornets, and Miami. Did he spend it all and need more? Maybe. Did he wanna help friends - maybe. Gambling debts, who knows.
Another angle: should the NBA have told the Heat about the investigation before the trade to Miami? We gave up a draft pick and assumed his contract.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Ya man, I wasn't being serious.
Dizzy
Footballguy
The "prop bet" is absolutely perfect for corruption. Look at the NFL... they push these bets at nauseum on all the sports and fantasy shows and even in pre-game. The Drake London "over 70.5 yds receiving" in SNF was touted as the "gift of the year" for gamblers. WR1 on a hot offense in a possible shootout vs banged up defense. But, OHHH.. too bad... I guess ATL didn't have Drake in their passing plans this week. Better luck next week when we'll give you a new lead-pipe lock!
Even if the players are hard to "get to"... it would be much easier to get to the... well, it would explain a LOT about how it seems the officiating has gotten much worse in recent years.
This is wild. I went to Alief middle school in Houston with Damon Jones, who was arrested for leaking Lebron James injury status + participated in the poker ring scandal,
We were on the basketball team together in 7th and 8th grade. He was our leading scorer.
To this day I still talk with my friends about how I personally knew an NBA player.
We were on the basketball team together in 7th and 8th grade. He was our leading scorer.
To this day I still talk with my friends about how I personally knew an NBA player.
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Lansdowne
Footballguy
I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek with your comment, but that second turnover specifically… Rozier was already running back on defense the moment the ball left his hands. FYI the game was from March of earlier this year. I’ve heard Celtics fans ripping him for his poor Game 7 performance against the Cavs in 2018, but that was well before the advent of online sports gambling. It was actually just Rozier being ***. But that clip I shared looked too blatant.
I know. I was just putting the actual numbers out there for thought. My nephew worked at Smith & Wolensky at South Point in Miami Beach (great view of cruise ships and downtown Miami) about 20 years ago and he saw NBA players spend huge amounts on over-priced alcohol regularly, legal but stupid spending. There are lots of other ways to waste money. Maybe Rozier needed the $.
The NBA clearance of Rozier could spell trouble in regards to the trade to the Heat. At issue: draft pick, salary, even Silver's job. See Barry Jackson below.
>>The labor agreement gives Adam Silver the immediate power to suspend or expel Rozier from the league if NBA has reason to believe the charges against him are true. Expelling him immediately would remove his salary from Heat's cap. Silver is under no obligation to wait for this to be adjudicated. The sticky thing is the NBA already cleared Rozier, a decision that seems dubious, at the very least. They're obviously rethinking that conclusion.
As @BobbyMarks42
noted, Rozier is owed 24 payments of $1,110,126, beginning Nov. 15. So if Silver doesn't void Rozier contract/expel him from league by Nov. 15, the Heat is out $1.1 M. And they'll continue to be out $1.1 M regularly until the commissioner makes a decision.<<
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not to be preaching, but I think the glorification of online gambling is a bad thing. Seemed to be better when gambling was left for Vegas and Atlantic City, plus some illegal parlays. My stepson wasn’t a gambler previously, but now he plays weekly. I don’t think it’s out of control, but that can change quickly. It’s just too darn easy to do. While I love many things about the internet, there are just as many negatives. Not just with gambling either. It controls too much of our lives and people aren’t as productive or creative as they once were.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Agreed. I've NEVER been into gambling. I'll bet on Super Bowls but really thats about it. Couple years ago the Mercole Hardman super bowl TD won me 2 grand. Tried to cash out with online site I used and because I used first time bonuses I needed to place 5 grand in bets to cash out. I spent the next 3 months betting on NBA player props. It really took over. Wasn't pretty. The hi and lows of it. Hit my 5 grand in bets and cashed out. Havent played since. During that time I really began to understand what gambling like that can do. It consumes you. If your not careful it can take over and just destroy everything important to you. Imo
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh Criminy. I remember you won a prop freebie and couldn’t cash out.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
My gambling journey was short but displayed my ability to fully commit to something. The funny thing is I actually got decent at it. Most days I placed three fifty dollar bets hoping to win two. I knew it was a problem when I was researching home and away rebounding splits on players going up against a team that has 3 players or more born overseas. Ha ha
***Kids. Gambling bad***
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