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Malcolm Gladwell: Football to Become "Ghettoized" (1 Viewer)

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In a new documentary, acclaimed author Malcolm Gladwell says football will become “ghettoized” -- attracting only those “whom the risks are acceptable” because of the threat posed by head injuries.

Gladwell is interviewed in the new film “United States of Football” which documents the head trauma issue from youth football to the NFL. The film by Sean Pamphilon opens across the country in theaters on Friday.

Because of that threat of head injuries, “we will go to a middle position where we will disclose the risks and essentially dare people to play …,” says Gladwell, best-selling author of The Tipping Point and Outliers;. “That's what the Army does. So we leave the Army for kids who have other options, for whom the risks are acceptable.

“That's what football is going to become. It's going to become the Army. That's a very, very different situation. That's a ghettoized sport, not a mainstream American sport.”
Source: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/23380419/author-malcolm-gladwell-says-football-will-become-ghettoized

What do you think? Agree or disagree? I think Gladwell's being a bit dramatic but he has a point.

At any rate, it's obviously a very sensitive topic to the league and Goodell -- just look at the two pieces of news that came out recently. One was a big deal -- the $765m settlement with former players -- and one didn't get as much attention: the NFL pressuring ESPN to drop out of an investigation about concussions, which you can read more about at:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130825/media-circus-espn-nfl-frontline/

 
A) Why the hell is a self-help author talking about football?

B) Last time I checked the Army didn't hand out multi-million dollar contracts to recruits.

What Gladwell is saying has essentially already happened, and is kind of a steady state from college to pro sports. For a lot of people, sports represent the best chance at financial success. This has been true for not only football and modern sports but basically for all of history. There have always been mercenaries, professional gladiators, boxers, and others who rely on physical rather than mental prowess to make their way in the world.

I disagree that kids with other routes available will all opt out of football. I think we solve this concussion problem before that happens. All we really have to do is change helmets from a hard plastic to a softer, hard rubber material that is better at absorbing impact and delivers softer blows when a player lowers his head.

 
I don't see it happening to any significant degree.

There have always been people who didn't play football because of the risk being too much for them or their parents. Will there be a few more now? Yes.

Will high school football continue to be a religion in Texas, including outside of the ghetto? Yes.

Will the NFL continue to be the preeminent sport in the US, with kids growing up wanting to play it? Yes.

While kids might enjoy playing soldier, most kids don't grow up throughout their adolescence actually wanting to be one. An exception being military families where "ghettoization" plays no role.

A slew of boys grow up wanting to be football players. That isn't going to change largely. There is going to have to be a ghastly incidence rate (i.e. 50% of former players are affected) for a serious medical condition for it to change that. I think over time we'll just adjust to what is found, rules will change and players adjust and technology show up to improve matters (as it did the last time people predicted the death knell of football back in the Teddy Roosevelt days), and life will go on.

 
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Happened to boxing. No reason it couldn't happen to football.

Especially if the science shows there's no way to play NFL football that doesn't result in brain trauma.

 
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Its happening. My brother is in highschool- THREE of the best players in their district (supposedly pretty much locks for college ball) quit the game and switched to lacrosse (schools actually already offered them rides- apparently lacrosse players can sign intent at 16 for some reason). Now that doesnt mean any of them had a shot at the pros, but point being the talent pool of possibilities is definately already being diminished as safer sports become more attractive. Of course if college football were to decline enough in talent and its popularity sag, the 'safer sports' wont have the money to offer scholarships.

Regardless- there is no doubt that concussion syndrome is a topic of conversation with parents and coaches these days in pretty much every school district. I dont know that it will ever get to the point of boxing, but its definately not going to draw the same numbers and especially demographics in years to come.

That being said- boxing isnt the only example. Hockey has always been considered a brutal sport, but its really a rich kid or at least middle class sport (its an expensive sport to play). Of course hockey barely moves the needle in the spectrum of pro sports, so maybe that isnt an endorsement.

 
Happened to boxing. No reason it couldn't happen to football.

Especially if the science shows there's no way to play NFL football that doesn't result in brain trauma.
Good points. I agree. I think that's why you saw the NFL settle with the former players. And that's why the league pressured ESPN out of that concussion investigation. To me that second action was the more telling one. ESPN grabs a large audience; a lot of viewers would've seen any negatives that came out of the investigation.

Seems like the NFL is trying hard to hush the concussion talk either to buy time to refute it or address it or, worse, because it knows there isn't anything it can do but keep it out of the news as much as possible.

 
Why not hard rubber helmets instead of hard plastic ones? Problem is these helmets don't absorb any shock at the outermost layer. It's the helmet used as point of first contact that causes them most of the time, no?

 
I could see it going that way. I played when I was in high school, but if I have kids I will encourage them to focus on basketball or soccer instead.

 
Why not hard rubber helmets instead of hard plastic ones? Problem is these helmets don't absorb any shock at the outermost layer. It's the helmet used as point of first contact that causes them most of the time, no?
Oh yea. I knocked myself silly a couple times in high school leading with my helmet.

 
I could see it going that way. I played when I was in high school, but if I have kids I will encourage them to focus on basketball or soccer instead.
I have a 15 month old atm, but his mother and I have already discussed him playing football at the youth/high school level. I never played organized football as I was always playing Soccer, but her family grew up in a super small town where football rules all. Her parents still go to the high school games (pretty much the whole town does), even though both their kids have graduated high school 10+ years ago. Her brother played for a D1 school, and is now a high school coach. So it's ingrained in her. I would really prefer our son not play that early, but she acts like it's not even an option. So it'll be interesting in a few years.

Which brings me to my question, how many have kids and have held them out of youth / middle school / high school football for concussion reasons, and how many have let them play anyhow?

 
I can see his point. However if our corrupt government keeps going the way its going it won't matter because most youths will fall into the "ghetto" category anyway.

 
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In a new documentary, acclaimed author Malcolm Gladwell says football will become “ghettoized” -- attracting only those “whom the risks are acceptable” because of the threat posed by head injuries.

Gladwell is interviewed in the new film “United States of Football” which documents the head trauma issue from youth football to the NFL. The film by Sean Pamphilon opens across the country in theaters on Friday.

Because of that threat of head injuries, “we will go to a middle position where we will disclose the risks and essentially dare people to play …,” says Gladwell, best-selling author of The Tipping Point and Outliers;. “That's what the Army does. So we leave the Army for kids who have other options, for whom the risks are acceptable.

“That's what football is going to become. It's going to become the Army. That's a very, very different situation. That's a ghettoized sport, not a mainstream American sport.”
Source: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/23380419/author-malcolm-gladwell-says-football-will-become-ghettoized

What do you think? Agree or disagree? I think Gladwell's being a bit dramatic but he has a point.

At any rate, it's obviously a very sensitive topic to the league and Goodell -- just look at the two pieces of news that came out recently. One was a big deal -- the $765m settlement with former players -- and one didn't get as much attention: the NFL pressuring ESPN to drop out of an investigation about concussions, which you can read more about at:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130825/media-circus-espn-nfl-frontline/
I don't expect to see much drop-off in terms of talent.

I don't know where he defines the tipping point in terms of people who will endure the risk, but I know that the lure of millions of $'s to young men who think themselves invincible and lack maturity to appreciate distant and future consequences will keep the meat grinder fed. We think guys that can't keep from knocking up multiple baby-mamas will make a well reasoned decision to lower their potential earning capacity?

Not to mention that the options available to a lot of NFL players remains the same regardless. When they were only in college because of a football scholarship and leave for the NFL before they get a degree, what would their options be if there is no NFL or if the pay were lower?

Think about it. Andre Johnson (insert 90% of the names in the NFL) isn't going to play professional football because of the concussion risks because he has such better options available to him? These guys can't keep the $ after they earn earn it. What are their chances of earning it in the first place without football?

What you might see though is fewer kids playing little league ball, thus you end up with rawer college players and rookies. But if the money is there, the talent will be as well.

 
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A couple comments: Gladwell isn't a self help author. Boxing hasn't become this way, boxing has always been this way.

 
The lower tier college programs may be affected. Easy to see where kids who could go to ivy league schools won't play, so their pool is less. not that they have the top recruits anyway, but schools like northwestern / big conference, lower prestige, higher academic standards, will have more problems.

 
He didn't mean ghettoized as being predominately black. I still don't understand why people think the NFL is some band of gangsters and thugs. Most of the players are good people and lots of very religious people with crazy work ethic.

He meant the pool of children playing football is reduced due to wealthier families choosing to keep their kids out of football.

 
He didn't mean ghettoized as being predominately black. I still don't understand why people think the NFL is some band of gangsters and thugs. Most of the players are good people and lots of very religious people with crazy work ethic. He meant the pool of children playing football is reduced due to wealthier families choosing to keep their kids out of football.
This is the point, they already do for a large degree.

 
I could see it going that way. I played when I was in high school, but if I have kids I will encourage them to focus on basketball or soccer instead.
I have a 15 month old atm, but his mother and I have already discussed him playing football at the youth/high school level. I never played organized football as I was always playing Soccer, but her family grew up in a super small town where football rules all. Her parents still go to the high school games (pretty much the whole town does), even though both their kids have graduated high school 10+ years ago. Her brother played for a D1 school, and is now a high school coach. So it's ingrained in her. I would really prefer our son not play that early, but she acts like it's not even an option. So it'll be interesting in a few years.

Which brings me to my question, how many have kids and have held them out of youth / middle school / high school football for concussion reasons, and how many have let them play anyhow?
You refer to your son as an atm? How much money do you expect to make off him ?

 
I could see it going that way. I played when I was in high school, but if I have kids I will encourage them to focus on basketball or soccer instead.
I have a 15 month old atm, but his mother and I have already discussed him playing football at the youth/high school level. I never played organized football as I was always playing Soccer, but her family grew up in a super small town where football rules all. Her parents still go to the high school games (pretty much the whole town does), even though both their kids have graduated high school 10+ years ago. Her brother played for a D1 school, and is now a high school coach. So it's ingrained in her. I would really prefer our son not play that early, but she acts like it's not even an option. So it'll be interesting in a few years.

Which brings me to my question, how many have kids and have held them out of youth / middle school / high school football for concussion reasons, and how many have let them play anyhow?
Youth cheerleading had a lot more injuries than football from my 10yrs involved with my kids
 
ghet·to·ized, ghet·to·iz·ing, ghet·to·iz·es

1. To set apart in or as if in a ghetto; isolate.
2. To make into or similar to a ghetto: "He left a city ghettoized and strangled by highways and the auto"(New York).

(tr) to confine or restrict to a particular area, activity, or category to ghettoize women as housewivesghettoization , ghettoisation n



I do not think the author realizes that our global economy is "ghettoizing" everyone.

White flight is a term that originated in the United States, starting in the mid-20th century, and applied to the large-scale migration of whites of various European ancestries from racially mixed urban regions to more racially homogeneous suburban or exurban regions. The term has more recently been applied to other migrations by whites, from older, inner suburbs to rural areas, as well as from the US Northeast and Midwest to the milder climate in Southeast and Southwest, but this is a change from its original cause and meaning.[1][2][3]

The term has also been used for large scale post-colonial emigration of whites from Africa,[4][5][6][7][8] driven by levels of violent crime and anti-colonial state policies.[9]

Following World War II, there was pent-up housing demand in the US, and widespread suburban development took place. In addition, some working-class and middle-class white families felt pressure from increases in minority populations and overcrowding in cities.[citation needed] They moved out to the suburbs, aided by GI loans for purchase, federally subsidized highway construction, and other facilities that made commuting to work easier.[citation needed]

In the 1970s, attempts to achieve effective desegregation by means of forced busing in some areas led to more families' moving out of former areas.[10][11] Migration of middle-class white populations was observed during the 1950s and 1960s out of cities such as Detroit andCleveland, although racial segregation of public schools had ended there long before the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Brown v. Board of Education. More generally, some historians suggest that white flight occurred in response to population pressures, both from the large migration of blacks from the rural South to northern cities in the Great Migration and the waves of new immigrants from southern and eastern Europe.[12] However, some historians have challenged the phrase "white flight" as a misnomer whose use should be reconsidered. In her study of Chicago's West Side during the post-war era, historian Amanda Seligman argues that the phrase misleadingly suggests that whites immediately departed when blacks moved into the neighborhood, when in fact, many whites defended their space with violence, intimidation, or legal tactics.[13]

The business practices of redlining, mortgage discrimination, and racially restrictive covenantscontributed to the overcrowding and physical deterioration of areas where minorities chose to congregate. Such conditions are considered to have contributed to the out-migration of other populations. The limited facilities for banking and insurance, due to a perceived lack of profitability, and other social services, and extra fees meant to hedge against perceived profit issues increased their cost to residents in predominantly non-white suburbs and city neighborhoods.[14][15] According to the environmental geographer Laura Pulido, the historical processes of suburbanization and urban decentralization contribute to contemporaryenvironmental racism.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
The author is presumably a journalist (not going to give this a click or support it in any way) using a sensational term to get readers while remaining seemingly ignorant of the reality of our societies continued development into a more "ghettoized" state world wide.

This likely belongs in the FFA


 
Why not hard rubber helmets instead of hard plastic ones? Problem is these helmets don't absorb any shock at the outermost layer. It's the helmet used as point of first contact that causes them most of the time, no?
Because softer helmets would "stick" to surfaces vs glance off. Broken necks and whiplash would go up and concussions may not even go down as players heads would be jerked violently opposite their momentum.

 
They don't need softer helmets... they need selfdestructive ones... that collapse to some degree for more serious impacts, on impact and are then replaced after the play. Like volvos.

 
ghet·to·ized, ghet·to·iz·ing, ghet·to·iz·es

1. To set apart in or as if in a ghetto; isolate.
2. To make into or similar to a ghetto: "He left a city ghettoized and strangled by highways and the auto"(New York).

(tr) to confine or restrict to a particular area, activity, or category to ghettoize women as housewivesghettoization , ghettoisation n



I do not think the author realizes that our global economy is "ghettoizing" everyone.

White flight is a term that originated in the United States, starting in the mid-20th century, and applied to the large-scale migration of whites of various European ancestries from racially mixed urban regions to more racially homogeneous suburban or exurban regions. The term has more recently been applied to other migrations by whites, from older, inner suburbs to rural areas, as well as from the US Northeast and Midwest to the milder climate in Southeast and Southwest, but this is a change from its original cause and meaning.[1][2][3]

The term has also been used for large scale post-colonial emigration of whites from Africa,[4][5][6][7][8] driven by levels of violent crime and anti-colonial state policies.[9]

Following World War II, there was pent-up housing demand in the US, and widespread suburban development took place. In addition, some working-class and middle-class white families felt pressure from increases in minority populations and overcrowding in cities.[citation needed] They moved out to the suburbs, aided by GI loans for purchase, federally subsidized highway construction, and other facilities that made commuting to work easier.[citation needed]

In the 1970s, attempts to achieve effective desegregation by means of forced busing in some areas led to more families' moving out of former areas.[10][11] Migration of middle-class white populations was observed during the 1950s and 1960s out of cities such as Detroit andCleveland, although racial segregation of public schools had ended there long before the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Brown v. Board of Education. More generally, some historians suggest that white flight occurred in response to population pressures, both from the large migration of blacks from the rural South to northern cities in the Great Migration and the waves of new immigrants from southern and eastern Europe.[12] However, some historians have challenged the phrase "white flight" as a misnomer whose use should be reconsidered. In her study of Chicago's West Side during the post-war era, historian Amanda Seligman argues that the phrase misleadingly suggests that whites immediately departed when blacks moved into the neighborhood, when in fact, many whites defended their space with violence, intimidation, or legal tactics.[13]

The business practices of redlining, mortgage discrimination, and racially restrictive covenantscontributed to the overcrowding and physical deterioration of areas where minorities chose to congregate. Such conditions are considered to have contributed to the out-migration of other populations. The limited facilities for banking and insurance, due to a perceived lack of profitability, and other social services, and extra fees meant to hedge against perceived profit issues increased their cost to residents in predominantly non-white suburbs and city neighborhoods.[14][15] According to the environmental geographer Laura Pulido, the historical processes of suburbanization and urban decentralization contribute to contemporaryenvironmental racism.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
The author is presumably a journalist (not going to give this a click or support it in any way) using a sensational term to get readers while remaining seemingly ignorant of the reality of our societies continued development into a more "ghettoized" state world wide.

This likely belongs in the FFA
Seems like a normal word with a normal definition to me. Don't be wordist.

 
They don't need softer helmets... they need selfdestructive ones... that collapse to some degree for more serious impacts, on impact and are then replaced after the play. Like volvos.
I wonder if some sort of foam outer shell that was replaced after every series would work?

But part of the problem isn't even due to the helmets, it's just the colliding over and over again and all of those micro collisions adding up as the brain sloshes around and crashes into the cranium over and over again. Linemen don't have the violent collisions but still have one of the highest rates of brain damage later because of the cumulative damage. Better helmets won't change that.

 
ghet·to·ized, ghet·to·iz·ing, ghet·to·iz·es



1. To set apart in or as if in a ghetto; isolate.

2. To make into or similar to a ghetto: "He left a city ghettoized and strangled by highways and the auto"(New York).


(tr) to confine or restrict to a particular area, activity, or category to ghettoize women as housewives

ghettoization , ghettoisation n

I do not think the author realizes that our global economy is "ghettoizing" everyone.

White flight is a term that originated in the United States, starting in the mid-20th century, and applied to the large-scale migration of whites of various European ancestries from racially mixed urban regions to more racially homogeneous suburban or exurban regions. The term has more recently been applied to other migrations by whites, from older, inner suburbs to rural areas, as well as from the US Northeast and Midwest to the milder climate in Southeast and Southwest, but this is a change from its original cause and meaning.[1][2][3]

The term has also been used for large scale post-colonial emigration of whites from Africa,[4][5][6][7][8] driven by levels of violent crime and anti-colonial state policies.[9]

Following World War II, there was pent-up housing demand in the US, and widespread suburban development took place. In addition, some working-class and middle-class white families felt pressure from increases in minority populations and overcrowding in cities.[citation needed] They moved out to the suburbs, aided by GI loans for purchase, federally subsidized highway construction, and other facilities that made commuting to work easier.[citation needed]

In the 1970s, attempts to achieve effective desegregation by means of forced busing in some areas led to more families' moving out of former areas.[10][11] Migration of middle-class white populations was observed during the 1950s and 1960s out of cities such as Detroit andCleveland, although racial segregation of public schools had ended there long before the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Brown v. Board of Education. More generally, some historians suggest that white flight occurred in response to population pressures, both from the large migration of blacks from the rural South to northern cities in the Great Migration and the waves of new immigrants from southern and eastern Europe.[12] However, some historians have challenged the phrase "white flight" as a misnomer whose use should be reconsidered. In her study of Chicago's West Side during the post-war era, historian Amanda Seligman argues that the phrase misleadingly suggests that whites immediately departed when blacks moved into the neighborhood, when in fact, many whites defended their space with violence, intimidation, or legal tactics.[13]

The business practices of redlining, mortgage discrimination, and racially restrictive covenantscontributed to the overcrowding and physical deterioration of areas where minorities chose to congregate. Such conditions are considered to have contributed to the out-migration of other populations. The limited facilities for banking and insurance, due to a perceived lack of profitability, and other social services, and extra fees meant to hedge against perceived profit issues increased their cost to residents in predominantly non-white suburbs and city neighborhoods.[14][15] According to the environmental geographer Laura Pulido, the historical processes of suburbanization and urban decentralization contribute to contemporaryenvironmental racism.[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
The author is presumably a journalist (not going to give this a click or support it in any way) using a sensational term to get readers while remaining seemingly ignorant of the reality of our societies continued development into a more "ghettoized" state world wide.

This likely belongs in the FFA
Gladwell has 3 or 4 best selling books and his books are quite interesting. Ofcourse the headline is meant to grab your attention, but he usually makes interesting out of the box points.

 
The author is presumably a journalist (not going to give this a click or support it in any way)
Given that all of Gladwell's books have been New York Times best sellers, I think he'll be just fine without that extra click of support.

You must be an outlier.


 
http://gladwell.com/

Gladwell is one of the leading...'thinkers', for lack of a better word of this generation. I know corporations pay him in the mid-high 5 figures (may now be six figures) to secure him to speak. So he's no lightweight...when he talks/observes, people listen.

There's a scene in the Robert DeNiro directed movie, A Bronx Tale. It plays out as such.

Young Calogero: Bill Mazeroski, I hate him. He made Mickey Mantle cry. The papers said the Mick cried.
Sonny: Mickey Mantle? That's what you're upset about? Mantle makes $100,000 a year. How much does your father make? If your dad ever can't pay the rent and needs money, go ask Mickey Mantle. See what happens. Mickey Mantle don't care about you. Why care about him?

I think deciding whether football is a sport you allow your son to play and whether you stay a fan of NCAA/NFL football are two entirely different debates. While I am OK with my son playing football, it has no bearing on the fact that I've been a lifelong football fan.

And as a lifelong football fan, I'm OK with whatever risks players take by stepping on a football field or any sports arena for that matter because as Sonny said - Mickey Mantle don't care about me.

 
Especially if the science shows there's no way to play NFL football that doesn't result in brain trauma.
I don't think the science shows that at all.

The etiology of CTE is still very much in question.

 
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I could see it going that way. I played when I was in high school, but if I have kids I will encourage them to focus on basketball or soccer instead.
I have a 15 month old atm, but his mother and I have already discussed him playing football at the youth/high school level. I never played organized football as I was always playing Soccer, but her family grew up in a super small town where football rules all. Her parents still go to the high school games (pretty much the whole town does), even though both their kids have graduated high school 10+ years ago. Her brother played for a D1 school, and is now a high school coach. So it's ingrained in her. I would really prefer our son not play that early, but she acts like it's not even an option. So it'll be interesting in a few years.

Which brings me to my question, how many have kids and have held them out of youth / middle school / high school football for concussion reasons, and how many have let them play anyhow?
Youth cheerleading had a lot more injuries than football from my 10yrs involved with my kids
Twisted ankles, broken arms. Not permanent brain damage.

 
The author is presumably a journalist (not going to give this a click or support it in any way)
Given that all of Gladwell's books have been New York Times best sellers, I think he'll be just fine without that extra click of support.

You must be an outlier.
Well that proves my point since he writing for an audience that is "ghettoizing" the rest of us normal folks.

 
Especially if the science shows there's no way to play NFL football that doesn't result in brain trauma.
I don't think the science shows that at all.

The etiology of CTE is still very much in question.
Right but the evidence seems to be going that way. Most damning study showed that young players diagnosed with concussions had better diagnostics after HS, controlled for everything else. Why? Because due to being diagnosed they were playing less football. Think about that. It would appear that all that recognition and treatment has accomplished is stopping further damage that is inherent in the game by not playing the game as much. If that bears out...

 
I don't think as high a percent of kids play football as they used to.

I think there's a lot that see their parents and think "I'm gonna be 5 foot 9 and weigh what? 180? there's no way I'm in the NFL" and then don't want the two-a-days and all the work football demands.

The concussion bit is interesting. Parents now order Riddell helmets and have the teams logo put on and feel safer that their kid has a new helmet and not some old beatup one players wore 20 years ago as some high schools seem to have. It's ironic that the same type of helmet gives them reassurance. IIRC 400 bucks maybe 500, not a small purchase. Started a few years ago and seniors sell to the underclassmen when they graduate but not all, some like to hold onto them as a momento(sp?).

 
Especially if the science shows there's no way to play NFL football that doesn't result in brain trauma.
I don't think the science shows that at all.

The etiology of CTE is still very much in question.
absolutes are hard to discuss. There's some evidence, yet others do have brain trauma.

Every now and then some random author will write how there is no indication the players are any safer since leather helmets. I've always found that statistically interesting

 
In this context, Ghetto implies self-segregation, but not necessarily by any particular group/race/ethnicity/religion. For example, my grandparents grew up in a Swedish ghetto in St. Paul, MN when they immigrated to the U.S. That ghetto has shifted in populace many times. Before the Swedes, it was German. After the Swedes, Polish. Then Hispanic. Then Hmong. Now Somalian.

In Gladwell's argument, he clearly means Socio-economic class ghettoization. Rural white communities often fit this model very well.

 
McGarnicle said:
Gladwell is a pervert and a drunk, I wouldn't listen to anything he says.
If we're going to stop listening to perverts and drunks, I may as well sew my lips shut and be done with it.

 
treat88 said:
Especially if the science shows there's no way to play NFL football that doesn't result in brain trauma.
I don't think the science shows that at all.

The etiology of CTE is still very much in question.
This is ignored too often. The sky may not be falling for the reasons we think - or it may not be nearly as bad as we think. I'm not saying "something's" not happening. I'm saying we still don't know exactly what, or more importantly - why. But it's the NFL so it's right in the spotlight, and the media loves the spotlight.

 
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Gladwell is a decent writer but unfortunately he is a horrible pseudo-scientist who spins statistics. If he was a fantasy football fan on this site he'd no doubt get a handfull of rolling eyes and waste a lot of our collective time on dramatic nonsense that he attempts to support with poor use of stats.

He takes a position on a popular topic and then works the stats to confirm his speculation. The speciulation is interesting and attention grabbing and he blows it out of proprtion which stokes the fire of the debate and sounds more scientific ... all before his research can be reviewed critically. When it finally is he is off speculating again on something else.

Steve Tasker said:
Absolutely love Gladwell, and he has written some good articles on concussions in the past. Good stuff.
 
Does anyone really think a 15-year-old kid will quit playing football because he is concerned about long term affects?

What kid worries about long term affects of anything?

 
Gladwell is a decent writer but unfortunately he is a horrible pseudo-scientist who spins statistics. If he was a fantasy football fan on this site he'd no doubt get a handfull of rolling eyes and waste a lot of our collective time on dramatic nonsense that he attempts to support with poor use of stats.

He takes a position on a popular topic and then works the stats to confirm his speculation. The speciulation is interesting and attention grabbing and he blows it out of proprtion which stokes the fire of the debate and sounds more scientific ... all before his research can be reviewed critically. When it finally is he is off speculating again on something else.
This X 1000

 
Bri said:
treat88 said:
Especially if the science shows there's no way to play NFL football that doesn't result in brain trauma.
I don't think the science shows that at all.

The etiology of CTE is still very much in question.
absolutes are hard to discuss. There's some evidence, yet others do have brain trauma.Every now and then some random author will write how there is no indication the players are any safer since leather helmets. I've always found that statistically interesting
Players are very much safer with helmets. It's as though concussions now are worse than a subdural hemorrhage. But, such is the current state of mass concussion hysteria.

 

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