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Agreed, except Ginn instead of Meachem.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Agreed, except Rice instead of Ginn or Meachem.
obviously behind Calvin. I would say overall close to Bowe, ahead of Rice/Meachem/Davis/Gonzalez (although Rice has close to the same upside) Strictly as a receiver definitely ahead of Ginn. Kelly is a pretty rare talent - he moves like a 6'1 200" smooth strong WR, but adds the height, strength, and unstoppable game in the air of a big receiver.
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Ginn?
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Are we talking about a fantasy perspective? Cause Ginn was the 1st WR taken last year.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Just because he was doesn't mean he should have been
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Let's remember the question here guys. "if he were in last year's draft"We know he wouldn't go ahead of C.Johnson. But would a team take him before pick 9? I don't think so.Just because he was doesn't mean he should have been
Would he go before Meachem, Bowe, Gonzo? I don't know. But that's the question. Not who will be the better fantasy WR.
News to me.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Ginn wasn't a 1st rounder last year, just because Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron are mental defects doesn't mean Ted Ginn's a 1st rounder let alone top 10.Let's remember the question here guys. "if he were in last year's draft"We know he wouldn't go ahead of C.Johnson. But would a team take him before pick 9? I don't think so.Just because he was doesn't mean he should have been
Would he go before Meachem, Bowe, Gonzo? I don't know. But that's the question. Not who will be the better fantasy WR.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Yeah, I slipped up. But I know he wasn't (look at my post above yours). I just didn't feel the need to go edit it.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
But he was. That's the fact of it all. The question is where would Kelly fit if he were in last years draft. Ginn went 9th. Unless you think Kelly would be taken before Ginn at 9 then you can't say he would (or should) go before Ginn.Do you guys understand this?Ginn wasn't a 1st rounder last year, just because Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron are mental defects doesn't mean Ted Ginn's a 1st rounder let alone top 10.Let's remember the question here guys. "if he were in last year's draft"We know he wouldn't go ahead of C.Johnson. But would a team take him before pick 9? I don't think so.Just because he was doesn't mean he should have been
Would he go before Meachem, Bowe, Gonzo? I don't know. But that's the question. Not who will be the better fantasy WR.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
hard to judge.. hes needs to be draft 1st.
LILB811
Footballguy
Better than Rice?I haven't seen much of Kelly, but if what you say is true, that certainly will get my attention.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Thats huge... if what you guys are saying... and with the hype of the RBs.. Kelly can be a nice late Rd steal.
He was worth a 1st round pick due to having dual talents (WR + return man), just like D.Jackson this year. As far as FF purposes their draft position is inflated, but in the real NFL having a dynamic return guy who is also a big play WR is a very valuable weapon.Now if Ginn didn't play a role in the return game and we were judging him solely as a WR i can see the argument for saying he wasn't worth a 1st round pick, but that isn't reality. If Miami passed on him quite a few other teams would have taken him in the 1st.
Kelly's hands are unreal. One drop in the last two years.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I believe Ginn, like Hester, will never be an effective WR in the NFL, meaning he's not a dual threat. He has straight line speed, that's it. The difference between Ginn and DeSean Jackson is Jackson is a solid route runner. He can excel in the NFL as a dual threat as he possesses more qualities than just straight line speed.
I'm just saying Miami wasn't the only one who thought Ginn was a 1st round pick, in fact i don't think i saw any mocks where he didn't go in the 1st prior to the draft.So you think he's a worthless WR, that's fine, but then that means most teams in the NFL had "mental" defects, not just Mueller and Cam. Ginn is a dangerous weapon in the return game and was regarded as a solid WR prospect as well. But like i said without his return ability he wouldn't have went so high.People exploded more that Miami took Ginn over Quinn, if Ginn goes at pick 12-20 i don't think we woulda heard much if any criticism.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I never meant to imply that a GM who took him around pick 20 was a "mental defect," just that Mueller and Cam were for taking him where they did given the options they had available. I didn't value Ginn as a 1st rounder and from what I read last year there were plenty of NFL franchises who felt similarly. There were some who disagreed and they're entitled to that, but top 10? Miami was alone.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
where do u guys see him being drafted?
I figure the 1st 7 picks will be 4 or 6 RBs with Ryan being in the Mix... so I'm guessing 1.07 is about right unless someone is high on him.
I figure the 1st 7 picks will be 4 or 6 RBs with Ryan being in the Mix... so I'm guessing 1.07 is about right unless someone is high on him.
With the depth of the wide receiver pool this year where many talents will be available in the second round, it wouldn't surprise me to see a run of 7-8 running backs before Ryan or a wideout comes off the board. And I'm not so sure that Kelly will be the first wide receiver off the board when rookie drafts roll around.
Rodeojones
Footballguy
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Check out
Great catches at:
:08 snatches underthrown ball
:24 catches underthrown TD in the air with defender in his face, lands in bounds.
:54 WOW. amazing sideline grab, both feet inbounds.
1:27 catch and big hit, holds on
1:32 catch with defender hanging all over him
1:37 again
1:42 also WOW. Running 1 handed grab of underthrown ball
jwb
Footballguy
He's in the mix to get drafted by me at 5 in one of my leagues - yea, it might be high, but he's in the mix. It depends on where he goes, and where Rice and F Jones go, too. I could use another good WR, and don't need the RB quite as much in this league (option to start only 1).
OC Zed
Footballguy
I'm already preparing myself for when the Bills disappoint me by taking someone else at #11.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
While those quotes are fairly descriptive, it is important to remember that Bradford was one of the most accurate QB's in college football. I think the first TD was intentionally thrown there (toward the back shoulder) and those sideline balls were very well thrown.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Heh, just because they were well-thrown so that defenders couldn't get them, most WR's don't catch them. Regardless of how accurate those throws are, those are some mad skills to haul them in.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
That may be so, but there's no denying that on several of those throws he had to adjust to underthrown balls, particularly on some of his down field catches.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
HEre we just have to agree to disagree a bit. I would say that most wr's strongly considered as first round picks would have a similar highlight reel- excluding the first and last catches. I think most GM's would draft any wr in the first round that they did not believe could make those catches.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Ted Ginn?
Troy Williamson? Mike Williams? Matt Jones? Michael Jenkins? Rashaun Woods?
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Tedd Ginn can catch the ball and would be expected to make most of those catches by his catch. His online highlight reel is more likely to be filled with multiple kickoff and punt returns for touchdowns. I will say that it is likely that his draft stock was boosted by the amazing success of Devin Hester and his impact on the Bears. His expected immense impact of the special teams moved him up the board as much or more than his receiving ability.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
Again -I said most. Certainly Williamson and Jones were drafted as raw, elite athletes. Most GMs aren't drafting a wr in the first if they don't believe he can make those catches, unless they have freakish measurables.Mike Williams had great hands. Michael Jenkins had good hands in college. When he left Ohio state, he was had more receiving yards than anyone in their history. He also had a pretty clutch catch on fourth and 14 in the national title game and was as productive as a senior as Kelly was this year. Rashaun Woods was a terrific college wr and had great hands. Most of those players lacked the work ethic to improve.Edit to add: I think Kelly has great hands. I am just saying that those youtube highlights show truly special hands on only about two plays. I thought Kelly was unbelievable in 2006. This year I was a little disappointed, with his production and that he often didn't seem to be the best wr on his team.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
how fast is he, didn't run at the combine.
EBF
Footballguy
My guess is about 4.45. Maybe even a little faster. He's not blazing, but he can run.
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prymetyme25
Footballguy
I understand what you are saying but it's not about him catching the ball it how he catches the ball. He's a hands guy with great body control. Those kind of guys are the guys that a GM can draft without worry. Its the body catchers you have to worry about. This guy is Colston-like with an extra gear. Honestly I'm surprised he isn't getting more pub.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
With the RB crop this year, this guy should be going quite late amongst rooks.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
from pick 6 to 10 you really might have to consider this guy over the rbs depending on situation. In one D-League I have 1 and 9 and I'm thinking I might have to take this guy regardless of what rb is on the board.
I'm hoping you're right, but you aren't. I'd take him at 1.04.
me too.Unless he just can't run at his pro day, he should be WR1 in the draft (maybe Jackson goes first, but that's as a WR/PR/KR), go in the top 20, be anointed the future #1 for whatever team takes him, and go in the top 5 of rookie drafts, right after the #4 RB if that guy lands in a good situation, after if he doesn't.In some rookie drafts, people will go RB crazy, and he might fall to 7 or 8, but that's as far as he falls.Christo said:Chunky Soup said:I'm hoping you're right, but you aren't. I'd take him at 1.04.
