Malcolm Smith - Super Bowl MVP? (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

congrats to Smith but isn't this a little bit of an odd choice?

 

[Hooper31]

No matter who was picked it was going to be awkward. Many were deserving. He had the pick 6, recovered a fumble, and was among the leaders in tackles.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It's all part of "the fix".

 

[travdogg]

Yeah, I thought he was about my 5th choice or so. I would have given it to Chancellor if a defender got it. I was expecting Wilson though, since several QB's have won it with worse numbers. Plus they did score 43 points. Harvin was an option too.

 

[The Commish]

Yeah, I thought he was about my 5th choice or so. I would have given it to Chancellor if a defender got it. I was expecting Wilson though, since several QB's have won it with worse numbers. Plus they did score 43 points. Harvin was an option too.

QBs will often win it when they march their teams down the field for wins despite what their numbers were prior to the last drive. The defense set them up for the win and special teams iced it on the first play of the second half. Wilson probably would have been moved up the order had the offense not had to settle for field goals early in the game.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Yeah, I thought he was about my 5th choice or so. I would have given it to Chancellor if a defender got it. I was expecting Wilson though, since several QB's have won it with worse numbers. Plus they did score 43 points. Harvin was an option too.

QBs will often win it when they march their teams down the field for wins despite what their numbers were prior to the last drive. The defense set them up for the win and special teams iced it on the first play of the second half. Wilson probably would have been moved up the order had the offense not had to settle for field goals early in the game.

I thought Wilson was a shoe in, he was clutch on a couple of 3rd downs in the 1st Q that that got them some pts.

 

[Boston]

As long as it went to a defensive player I was fine whether it be Smith, Chancellor or someone like Avril...they totally overwhelmed the #1 offense in football...

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Both of Wilson's TD throws came in the 2nd half when the game was already over. Seattle defensive player definitely deserved to win it. Smith and Chancellor each had 10 tackles and a pick, but Smith returned his for a 70 yard TD that broke the game open, so it seems pretty reasonable that he got it.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Cliff Avril is credited with the saftey, and he hit Peyton on both of his INTs

 

[buck naked]

As long as it went to a defensive player I was fine whether it be Smith, Chancellor or someone like Avril...they totally overwhelmed the #1 offense in football...

Agreed. I'm glad it went to a defensive player, as the defense dominated this game. Plus in 20 years Malcolm Smith will be a hard answer to a trivia question.

 

[coolnerd]

I think it reflected the side that dominated the game. It was a total effort but. He two onvious big plays versus constant havoc that avril. Displayed

 

[RBM]

Smith was the right choice. The pick 6 was the game.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Smith was the right choice. The pick 6 was the game.

The pick 6 was as much Avril as Smith though. Avril had Peyton uncomfortable back there all game long. Even on the rare play where he wasn't harassing Peyton he was still affecting the play by having gotten into their heads.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Could have been a team defense award.

Awesome ensemble work swarming to the ball all night.

Avril was an X-factor.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Both of Wilson's TD throws came in the 2nd half when the game was already over. Seattle defensive player definitely deserved to win it. Smith and Chancellor each had 10 tackles and a pick, but Smith returned his for a 70 yard TD that broke the game open, so it seems pretty reasonable that he got it.

Was anyone else happy to see a QB running up the score throwing TD's against Peyton Manning?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I thought MVP had to go a defensive player or maybe two of them as co-MVPs.

Besides the two takeaways and the game-clinching score, was Smith covering Julius Thomas a good bit of the game?

Personally I would have said Kam Chancellor and maybe as co-MVP with another defensive player like Avril, Wagner or Smith.

 

[ScottyDog]

We'll let Russell get it next year.

 

[The Commish]

Yeah, I thought he was about my 5th choice or so. I would have given it to Chancellor if a defender got it. I was expecting Wilson though, since several QB's have won it with worse numbers. Plus they did score 43 points. Harvin was an option too.

QBs will often win it when they march their teams down the field for wins despite what their numbers were prior to the last drive. The defense set them up for the win and special teams iced it on the first play of the second half. Wilson probably would have been moved up the order had the offense not had to settle for field goals early in the game.

I thought Wilson was a shoe in, he was clutch on a couple of 3rd downs in the 1st Q that that got them some pts.

Yeah...I've seen this "clutch on 3rd down in the first quarter" stuff in several places. I've never seen it before ever in these kinds of threads ESPECIALLY when folks are talking about stats for a whole game not being on par etc....guess it's a new trend. Seems silly to me. I'd be much more inclined to give him the award based on the year he had than a few plays in the first quarter that, win or lose, had little impact other than to not shut the door completely.

 

[-fish-]

Smith had 9 tackles, a fumble recovery and a pick 6. Hard to argue he didn't deserve it.

Chancellor had 10 tackles and an int.

 

[Warhogs]

I thought the MVP was the Denver coaching staff. They came out and looked flat in all aspects of the game. It can't be easy getting your team to play down to such a low level in the superbowl.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Seattle had a bunch of guys who could have gotten MVP. Smith is as good a choice as anybody.

 

[Two Deep]

It was pretty funny when they were up in their football space ship thing and Strahan said let the games MVP Malcom Smith have the Lombardi Trophy.........I swear I heard the crowd respond with a collective WHO!

 

[KellysHeroes]

has a DE ever been MVP before?

 

[habsfan]

Both of Wilson's TD throws came in the 2nd half when the game was already over. Seattle defensive player definitely deserved to win it. Smith and Chancellor each had 10 tackles and a pick, but Smith returned his for a 70 yard TD that broke the game open, so it seems pretty reasonable that he got it.

Was anyone else happy to see a QB running up the score throwing TD's against Peyton Manning?

It wasn't "against Manning" and it wasn't running up the score. If you have a team down in a championship game, you keep them down - simple as that.

 

[cstu]

His pick 6 was a dagger in the heart of the Broncos. That forced them to go for it on 4th down before the half. I think it was a good choice.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

has a DE ever been MVP before?

Ed Jones and Randy White, vs the Broncos.

 

[BoltNlava]

Side note: No one wanted the free truck.

 

[Pipes]

has a DE ever been MVP before?

Ed Jones and Randy White, vs the Broncos.

Richard Dent

 

[kurtrudder]

Cliff Avril is credited with the saftey, and he hit Peyton on both of his INTs

yeah he was my choice but like a few others have said, as long as it went to a Seahawks defensive player, then justice was served

 

[Papa Georgio]

I was glad Wilson didn't get it. I like him and all but I don't think he was a difference maker in the game simply because he didn't need to be. The Seattle D and Special teams won the game. I was happy to see it go to someone on the defense. For my money the best offensive player was Harvin (if you include his kickoff return in that as well). I thought he would be a very awkward choice since he only completed one game all year.

 

[Riversco]

Russell Wilson is an excellent QB and if the defense was below average more people would see it. When he forced to thread the needle and make the big throw he usually succeeds. With this defense he is not often asked to do so.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Smith was the right choice. The pick 6 was the game.

The pick 6 was as much Avril as Smith though. Avril had Peyton uncomfortable back there all game long. Even on the rare play where he wasn't harassing Peyton he was still affecting the play by having gotten into their heads.

I kind of thought that too. Avril was at least as instrumental in that play happening as Smith was, probably more. My question boils down this way. Would/could that play have happened with a different LB from the team in there at the time? Probably? Would that same play have happened if some other DE was in there? I doubt it.

Doesn't show up in the score sheet that way, But those are my guesses.

That said, I don't have a lot of heartburn with Smith either. He played a great game. They all did. A team D mvp was appropriate, but I don't think that's feasible.

 

[Two Deep]

I was glad Wilson didn't get it. I like him and all but I don't think he was a difference maker in the game simply because he didn't need to be. The Seattle D and Special teams won the game. I was happy to see it go to someone on the defense. For my money the best offensive player was Harvin (if you include his kickoff return in that as well). I thought he would be a very awkward choice since he only completed one game all year.

I don't know about that, I saw Wilson scramble around keeping plays alive, converting 3rd downs at an uncanny rate, and throwing strikes throughout the game.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Russell Wilson is an excellent QB and if the defense was below average more people would see it. When he forced to thread the needle and make the big throw he usually succeeds. With this defense he is not often asked to do so.

Good points but it goes along with his "FF rep" which is he doesn't have to score a lot so he doesn't.

 

[cstu]

Smith was the right choice. The pick 6 was the game.

The pick 6 was as much Avril as Smith though. Avril had Peyton uncomfortable back there all game long. Even on the rare play where he wasn't harassing Peyton he was still affecting the play by having gotten into their heads.

I kind of thought that too. Avril was at least as instrumental in that play happening as Smith was, probably more. My question boils down this way. Would/could that play have happened with a different LB from the team in there at the time? Probably? Would that same play have happened if some other DE was in there? I doubt it.

Doesn't show up in the score sheet that way, But those are my guesses.

That said, I don't have a lot of heartburn with Smith either. He played a great game. They all did. A team D mvp was appropriate, but I don't think that's feasible.

This is true, but the fact is he did make the INT and ran it in for a TD. Maybe another LB gets tackled and the Seahawks settle for a FG. That would make it 18-0, in which case the Broncos kick the FG before halftime and are only down 2 scores and a conversion. He was far from a slam dunk choice but I think he did make the most important play of the game.

 

[seahawk 17]

I am fine with the choice, but after watching the game twice I can tell you that Chancellor was a freaking beast the entire game.

 

[T with T]

who cares it's rigged bull#### anyway.. They could pick anyone does it really matter... You guys sit their and watch rigged sports on your Tv and argue about who should be MVP lol

 

[TenTimes]

Don't forget, Kam broke D Thomas VERY early in the game. He had all the Bronco WRs playing with alligator arms the whole game. May have been more important than the pick 6.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Smith was the right choice. The pick 6 was the game.

The pick 6 was as much Avril as Smith though. Avril had Peyton uncomfortable back there all game long. Even on the rare play where he wasn't harassing Peyton he was still affecting the play by having gotten into their heads.

I kind of thought that too. Avril was at least as instrumental in that play happening as Smith was, probably more. My question boils down this way. Would/could that play have happened with a different LB from the team in there at the time? Probably? Would that same play have happened if some other DE was in there? I doubt it.

Doesn't show up in the score sheet that way, But those are my guesses.

That said, I don't have a lot of heartburn with Smith either. He played a great game. They all did. A team D mvp was appropriate, but I don't think that's feasible.

This is true, but the fact is he did make the INT and ran it in for a TD. Maybe another LB gets tackled and the Seahawks settle for a FG.

That's kind of my point. He caught a floater more less right to him, then he ran past a 340 pound guard into the endzone. There was no one anywhere nearby to tackle him. Once the ball was tipped, you may as well have put 6 points on the board. He was in the right place so I'll gladly give him credit for that. But it terms of value to the team, that particular play was extremely valuable, but the player for that part of the play was more or less interchangeable, while the player that got to Manning was not. Like I said, you put a different LB in there, that same thing happens. Put a different DE in there, I'm not so sure.

I recognize that most folks aren't going to look at it that way, but to me Avril's consistent pressure on Manning probably had a bigger impact on the game than a bunch of mop-up tackles and a trot into the end zone. To be fair, that might be underselling Smith's overall game, but Avril (and Chancellor) were both dominant.

 

[proninja]

I am fine with the choice, but after watching the game twice I can tell you that Chancellor was a freaking beast the entire game.

Halfway through this season I thought Kam was good but a bit overrated by Seahawk fans.

After his play down the stretch, I no longer feel that way. He good.

 

[TenTimes]

I am fine with the choice, but after watching the game twice I can tell you that Chancellor was a freaking beast the entire game.

Halfway through this season I thought Kam was good but a bit overrated by Seahawk fans.

After his play down the stretch, I no longer feel that way. He good.

Brandon who? I do miss the guy though..

 

[proninja]

I am fine with the choice, but after watching the game twice I can tell you that Chancellor was a freaking beast the entire game.

Halfway through this season I thought Kam was good but a bit overrated by Seahawk fans.

After his play down the stretch, I no longer feel that way. He good.

Brandon who? I do miss the guy though..

I like Browner, but don't see a way he's around next year. Remember that Saints thread where everyone called us crazy because we pointed out that Maxwell was pretty good?

 

[Eminence]

The Broncos were about to score at least a FG, instead the Seahawks scored 7 points. He was responsible for a 10 pt swing which was greater than the amount of points the Broncos scored all game (8).

From that perspective, he gets MVP because his one play would have been enough to seal the deal.

 

[CalBear]

I was glad Wilson didn't get it. I like him and all but I don't think he was a difference maker in the game simply because he didn't need to be. The Seattle D and Special teams won the game. I was happy to see it go to someone on the defense. For my money the best offensive player was Harvin (if you include his kickoff return in that as well). I thought he would be a very awkward choice since he only completed one game all year.

I don't know about that, I saw Wilson scramble around keeping plays alive, converting 3rd downs at an uncanny rate, and throwing strikes throughout the game.

Here's the first half:

3rd and 9 at DEN 30(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to J.Kearse to DEN 18 for 12 yards (M.Adams).

3rd and 6 at DEN 14(Shotgun) R.Wilson scrambles left end pushed ob at DEN 9 for 5 yards (D.Ihenacho). Seattle challenged the first down ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1.)

3rd and 7 at SEA 31(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to G.Tate ran ob at SEA 40 for 9 yards.

3rd and 4 at SEA 46(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to D.Baldwin to DEN 48 for 6 yards (C.Bailey).

3rd and 5 at DEN 43(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass deep left to D.Baldwin to DEN 6 for 37 yards (C.Bailey).

3rd and 14 at DEN 14(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short middle to J.Kearse (N.Irving).

3rd and 4 at DEN 5(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to G.Tate (T.Carter). PENALTY on DEN-T.Carter, Defensive Pass Interference, 4 yards, enforced at DEN 5 - No Play.

Second half:

3rd and 17 at SEA 19(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to G.Tate to SEA 19 for no gain (W.Woodyard).

3rd and 7 at SEA 45 R.Wilson pass short right to L.Willson pushed ob at DEN 43 for 12 yards (M.Adams).

3rd and 2 at DEN 40(Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to D.Baldwin pushed ob at DEN 34 for 6 yards (C.Bailey).

3rd and 1 at DEN 30 R.Turbin right tackle to DEN 30 for no gain (D.Trevathan, S.Phillips).

4th and 1 at DEN 30 R.Wilson pass incomplete short right to R.Turbin.

12 third and fourth downs, seven converted, four failed, one with a first down on a penalty. Fine performance but not particularly remarkable.