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Male student beats the snot out of female student. WTF? (1 Viewer)

STEADYMOBBIN 22

STEADYMOBBIN 22

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http://www.wthr.com/story/28984646/watch-ips-investigating-fight-at-northwest-high-school

Indianapolis Public Schools are investigating after cell phone video captured a violent fight involving a male student beating up a female student at Northwest High School.

The video shows a male student viciously beating a girl while a teacher demands that he stop. The beating continues for under a minute, with the male student pulling the girl's hair, throwing her to the floor and repeatedly hitting her in the face.

The video is difficult and painful to watch, yet students say what it shows is not uncommon at Northwest.

"It's normal. It's an everyday thing," said senior Audumn Jessee.

The brutal fight, recorded on video, was in the school hallway Tuesday. Students say it was just one of seven fights at school that day.

Senior Omir Gonzalez witnessed four of them personally.

"There was blood. A lot of hair that was thrown on the floor," Gonzalez recalled.

Tim Lawhorn, who lives across the street from the high school, and used to work security at the apartment complex there, says he often sees fights spill outside the school.

"It happens quite a bit out here - lot of the guys talking about fights and people planning on fighting. Several times we've had to chase them off," Lawhorn said

In this case, a boy badly beat up a girl, with students looking on.

"Look at all those guys standing around...and not attempting to do anything," Lawhorn said, while watching video of the fight.

That video shows a staff member, there when the fight started, scream at the students to stop.

But he doesn't intervene physically.

"The reason why that staff member did not mess in was because there was consideration that other people were gonna jump in and also attack," Gonzalez said.

"I understand it," Lawhorn said. "It's bad because there's nothing those staff members can do but try to do it verbally and that doesn't work."

IPS says in situations like this, staffers are not allowed to put their hands on students. Protocol and policy is to diffuse the situation verbally.

Craig Blume is with the Indiana State Teachers Association. He says under those board rules, teachers cannot physically break up fights.

"You're hired to work under that policy. You have to follow it. A willful refusal to follow a board policy rule or regulation or direct order will get you fired immediately for insubordination," Blume explained.

Without a policy change, Blume says the teachers' response won't change. Getting physically involved, he says, could mean a lawsuit, the loss of their job and further injuries.

"If he'd gotten involved and gotten injured, and then the kid got up and started beating on some other students, is he negligent because he allowed himself to get hurt and didn't protect the rest of the students? Somebody will, a lawyer certainly will make a case out of that any way you go," Blume said. "It's not like the old days for teachers. It's a tough call and really a scary situation. You have an interest in protecting the students but you also have an interest in making sure you don't get harmed."

In Tuesday's fight, students eventually intervened.

But it took awhile.

Some say the kids need to do more to protect each other and lessen the violence in school.

"Basically just be a hero. Go stop it," Lawhorn said. "Don't allow people to do that, not in your presence. Then maybe the message will spread to other students, too."

Eyewitness News spoke with the victim's mother. She told us her daughter is okay and was treated at school for minor injuries. She also says she's upset that the boys in that video just stood around and watched while girls tried to stop the fight.

What's unclear from the video - how close IPS police officers were to the incident and how quickly they responded.

Meanwhile, an IPS spokesperson says they're arranging disciplinary action and, along with IPS Police, are working with the prosecutor on any possible charges.

Eyewitness News has obtained video of a fight in the hallway at Northwest High School. WTHR confirmed that the incident occurred Tuesday.

IPS Schools issued this statement concerning the teacher's actions:

"Northwest Community High School protocol calls for staff members to diffuse the situation verbally, then signal for support from administration and school police. School and district administrators are arranging appropriate disciplinary action, and IPS Police officers are collaborating with the prosecutor's office to determine any potential legal actions. Indianapolis Public Schools' lead administrators are investigating today's situation at Northwest to ensure our students are served in the best possible ways."
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The only boy vs girl fights I ever saw were between that nerdy poor white trash kid vs the REALLY butch black girl who likely initiated it. Never once a full beat down like that. And I went to some REALLY tough schools.

I mean dude looks like he's gonna choke her out.

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
The only boy vs girl fights I ever saw were between that nerdy poor white trash kid vs the REALLY butch black girl who likely initiated it. Never once a full beat down like that. And I went to some REALLY tough schools.

I mean dude looks like he's gonna choke her out.
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In 5th grade this short white boy called a very large black girl the n-word. She absolutely pummeled him and broke his arm

 
Wow... That was tough to watch. What a friggin tough guy. It's just another example of the family structure break down in the urban community. I was raised that if I hit a girl, my father was going to kick the crap out of me. Was unacceptable. I have taught my sons the same thing. You are a man. If you can't handle a woman without beating the snot out of her, well then you are not much of a man.

If there is any positive to take from this one, I'm POSITIVE that kid will be off the streets and in jail within a few years of hitting 18.

 
If my minor child got beaten and there was a teacher there who did not intervene, you bet your ### I'd be on the phone with a lawyer that day to start proceedings against the school. In loco parentis indeed. Unbelievable.

 
The teachers cannot physically break up a fight?

I guess I can see why the policy was put in place but this seems like a case when the teacher should have ignored the policy.

 
Psychopav said:
If my minor child got beaten and there was a teacher there who did not intervene, you bet your ### I'd be on the phone with a lawyer that day to start proceedings against the school. In loco parentis indeed. Unbelievable.
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Blame the lawyers. The teacher isnt supposed to break up a fight because they could injure a kid or "feel up" a student in the process and be sued.
 
I agree. There is policy and then there is the right thing to do. Unfortunately lawyers have made it so difficult to do the right thing anymore.

 
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Arizona Ron said:
The teachers cannot physically break up a fight?

I guess I can see why the policy was put in place but this seems like a case when the teacher should have ignored the policy.
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The teacher union representative in the video said that if a teacher stepped in physically, he could/would be immeidately fired for insubordination. Very poor policy IMO, but the teacher was in an unfortunate spot.

 
With that said, I break up every fight at school no matter what. Only thing that would deter me is a weapon.

 
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?

 
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.

 
Sabertooth said:
I agree. There is policy and then there is the right thing to do. Unfortunately lawyers have made it so difficult to do the right thing anymore.
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I hate it when lawyers, without clients, acting on their own, not in front of judges or juries, make policy for society. Those bastards.

 
zamboni said:
Arizona Ron said:
The teachers cannot physically break up a fight?

I guess I can see why the policy was put in place but this seems like a case when the teacher should have ignored the policy.
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The teacher union representative in the video said that if a teacher stepped in physically, he could/would be immeidately fired for insubordination. Very poor policy IMO, but the teacher was in an unfortunate spot.
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When I was trained in the early 90s, I was taught to use passive restraint.Teachers have an obligation to protect their students, and that obligation supercedes board policy imo. If I were the parent, and there were any medical bills at all, I would sue. If I were the teacher, I would have gotten involved, and if they fired me I'd hope that someone would take up my cause. Either way, standong there doing nothing while that kid is beating on the girl's face is unacceptable. If that were an mma fight it would have been stopped. That kid could have easily done lethal damage in that situation. That state teachers association guy is also unbelievable. Are they going to just roll over and play politics with this until some kid dies?

 
Yeah, my school policy is verbally try to drop it. Never intervene.

In 15 years, I have seen one fight. I got them to stop. #suburban school problems

 
Sabertooth said:
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.
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Huh? If you see two 15 year old gang members fighting in a mall, are you going to go try to break it up, or are you going to call the cops/security?

 
I wonder what social interaction set this off and who the initial physical aggressor was. I know many will say it does not matter, or that I am morally repugnant for wondering about that, believing I may be moving in the direction of justification of behavior, yet still I am curious.

 
Acer, did you watch the video? If you were that male teacher, would you have pulled that kid off her and yelled dor someone to get help, or just held to verbal intervention?

 
GroveDiesel said:
Sabertooth said:
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.
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Huh? If you see two 15 year old gang members fighting in a mall, are you going to go try to break it up, or are you going to call the cops/security?
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Bystander in a mall /= classroom teacher.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Sabertooth said:
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.
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Huh? If you see two 15 year old gang members fighting in a mall, are you going to go try to break it up, or are you going to call the cops/security?
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I'm going to grab a Wetzel's pretzel or a Cinnabon, enjoy the show, and laugh about the people who paid for Mayweather/Paquiao who did not see as good of a fight as I am watching right then and there.

 
I watched a girl beat the piss out of her boyfriend in the boys bathroom in HS.

I guess he cheated? She was huge. It was...hard to watch.

 
Psychopav said:
Acer, did you watch the video? If you were that male teacher, would you have pulled that kid off her and yelled dor someone to get help, or just held to verbal intervention?
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I didnt watch it. I stepped into the one boy vs boy, I would have to imagine I.would do the same for a girl getting beat up. It could cost me my job but don't think I could sit.on the sideline
 
Probably an unrealistically high expectation of parents to expect a vestigal chivalrous instinct to suddenly flare up within the male students to stop this fight. The boys have been trained since kindergarten that boys and girls are equals, and for all they know equal rights means equal fights. I doubt they have been given examples of exceptions to the the equal rule.

 
Psychopav said:
GroveDiesel said:
Sabertooth said:
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.
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Huh? If you see two 15 year old gang members fighting in a mall, are you going to go try to break it up, or are you going to call the cops/security?
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Bystander in a mall /= classroom teacher.
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Why?

 
If I was that girl's father (she probably doesn't have one) that boy regardless of his age would be eating through a straw for the rest of his life.

 
spreagle said:
Probably an unrealistically high expectation of parents to expect a vestigal chivalrous instinct to suddenly flare up within the male students to stop this fight. The boys have been trained since kindergarten that boys and girls are equals, and for all they know equal rights means equal fights. I doubt they have been given examples of exceptions to the the equal rule.
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Thats the beauty of the society that we have created. Everything (especially in school) is black and white. There are no exceptions. We've seen the nonsense when kids have been expelled for "weapons" made out of paper and threats when fingers were put in the shape of a gun by second graders. I havent watched, not will i watch the video. My babble really has nothing to do with the fight, just an overall observation.

 
Craziest thing to me is that many in the article say it goes on all the time. Like there were 7 or so fights that day? Makes me sad. :(

 
GroveDiesel said:
Psychopav said:
GroveDiesel said:
Sabertooth said:
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.
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Huh? If you see two 15 year old gang members fighting in a mall, are you going to go try to break it up, or are you going to call the cops/security?
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Bystander in a mall /= classroom teacher.
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Why?
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Why do you think they are equivalent situations?
 
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