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Male Teen Has Consensual Sex with Female Teen. He Gets 25 Years as Sex (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
Footballguy
No younger male likes strict liability in these circumstances. Society has deemed it acceptable to place strict liability on younger males in these circumstances. There seems to be a power disparity here.
This is a hybrid legal entanglement of the evangelicals and progressives of the 1900-1930 period of our country, and it's going to take a long time to undo. Mandatory minimum sentencing going the way of the dodo and sex offender registries with flexibility are places to start, statutorily.
This sucks. Nobody likes this anymore except for blowhard politicians and PACs and conservative parents of all political stripes.
This is a hybrid legal entanglement of the evangelicals and progressives of the 1900-1930 period of our country, and it's going to take a long time to undo. Mandatory minimum sentencing going the way of the dodo and sex offender registries with flexibility are places to start, statutorily.
This sucks. Nobody likes this anymore except for blowhard politicians and PACs and conservative parents of all political stripes.
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Cjw_55106
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FBG lawyers probably say the age of consent is 16. She wasnt 16, therefore, can not consent.
whoknew
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Cjw_55106
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
This might make it better, if imperfect. The kid got ninety days, 25 years on the sex offender registry. Still sucks, and is still a perversion of justice, but not as bad as jail for twenty-five years.
cheat's headline cut out.
The auto-correct keeps changing chet to cheat. Which is awesome, considering how the Blackhawks cheated again to win it all.
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Al O'Pecia
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Not only is it appropriate, but it's awesome.
chet
Footballguy
He also can't live in a house with internet or a smart phone for 5-years. That means he basically has to live by himself. If this were my kid, I'd get him out of the country and use my UK or Canada passport.This might make it better, if imperfect. The kid got ninety days, 25 years on the sex offender registry. Still sucks, and is still a perversion of justice, but not as bad as jail for twenty-five years.
cheat's headline cut out.
The auto-correct keeps changing chet to cheat. Which is awesome, considering how the Blackhawks cheated again to win it all.
Judge is a complete ##########.
James Daulton
Footballguy
If the girl admits to lying, how did the kid break the law? Do you have to ask for ID before you bang some random now? I assume the responsibility is on the banger to verify the age of the bangee?
This has to be the bible belt, yes?
This has to be the bible belt, yes?
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
That part is messed up. You cant function as a college student without the internet.He also can't live in a house with internet or a smart phone for 5-years. That means he basically has to live by himself. If this were my kid, I'd get him out of the country and use my UK or Canada passport.This might make it better, if imperfect. The kid got ninety days, 25 years on the sex offender registry. Still sucks, and is still a perversion of justice, but not as bad as jail for twenty-five years.
cheat's headline cut out.
The auto-correct keeps changing chet to cheat. Which is awesome, considering how the Blackhawks cheated again to win it all.
Judge is a complete ##########.
3C's
Footballguy
He didn't know she was 14. I was over 18 and my wife under when we first "hooked up." Not unusual for 18+yo males to have sex with 17yo girls. No way should they have their life ruined because of it.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Um, yeah. I've met one or two judges that had some sense. The rest were a bunch of dopes obviously posted as some kind of political reward or something.
chet
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
How long before we find out this judge is serial finger blaster?
Foosball God
Foos
Seems ripe for appeal no?
3C's
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Cjw_55106
Footballguy
From the article:
Tfamily is about to try to withdraw the original plea deal Zach agreed to, because, he says, "The prosecutor violated the plea."
You see, in Michigan there is a leniency provision for first-time offenders under age 21. It keeps them off the registry. As part of the plea deal, the prosecutor had agreed not to take a position pro or con on whether to apply the provision to Zach. But when it came time for sentencing, the prosecutor reminded the judge that he had denied leniency in similar cases twice before.
That struck defense lawyer Scott Grabel as not exactly neutral. "He did us a favor," says Grabel, "because now we have a basis to withdraw the plea."
I chatted with Grabel yesterday, too. He says that if the case is tried anew, he would like to hold off for another six-to-nine months, because by then it's possible that the Michigan Supreme Court will have decided to allow defendants to use she lied about her age as a component of their defense.
Rick James
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feel bad for the guy but 14 year olds are still in junior high...he couldn't tell the difference? come on
3C's
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
X a brazillion
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Lots of 17 year-olds don't have much upstairs and those that have been around very well may mow the grass down below.
chet
Footballguy
My 13yo daughter has been served alcohol before. No way can you tell in some cases.
Foosball God
Foos
3C's
Footballguy
I'd assume most 10yo girls aren't going to look 17 but it's not a stretch for a 14/15yo.
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Rick James
Footballguy
Lots of 17 year-olds don't have much upstairs and those that have been around very well may mow the grass down below.
looks alone, yeah a lot of 14 year olds can pass for 17+, but I feel like I could spot a 14-year-old just by having one conversation with her.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
I'm sure it was his first 14 year-old he boffed. 
Foosball God
Foos
You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
OKLots of 17 year-olds don't have much upstairs and those that have been around very well may mow the grass down below.looks alone, yeah a lot of 14 year olds can pass for 17+, but I feel like I could spot a 14-year-old just by having one conversation with her.
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
I mean how long ago was it ok for a 14-year-old girl to marry in the U.S.? It's still allowed in most of the second and third world. As soon as females are sexually mature there are gonna be bees flying to the honey, same as it ever was.
Bonfire
Footballguy
Though it's hard to compare things like this, here's another link to a story that's similar IMO. 'Rape' culture seems to be trending to the point where if you have a penis, you are at fault regardless.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/amherst-student-was-expelled-for-rape-bu
I don't recall which talking head, but remember it was put forth that individuals (~99% men) accused of rape should be considered guilty until proven innocent. Under the 'logic' that no victim would ever make an accusation unless it had actually happened, as the crime is so horrible.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/11/amherst-student-was-expelled-for-rape-bu
I don't recall which talking head, but remember it was put forth that individuals (~99% men) accused of rape should be considered guilty until proven innocent. Under the 'logic' that no victim would ever make an accusation unless it had actually happened, as the crime is so horrible.
AcerFC
Footballguy
You want to argue how old is too old, fine, I get it. We dont want 40 year olds raping little girls
But there has to be some common sense in sentencing by judges. The kid made a mistake. Ruining his whole life for it seems like a stretch when the girl lied and the mother asked for the case to be dropped. I get that you dont drop cases when every victims parents ask you to, but cmon
And yes, my attitude would probably change if the male was older
But there has to be some common sense in sentencing by judges. The kid made a mistake. Ruining his whole life for it seems like a stretch when the girl lied and the mother asked for the case to be dropped. I get that you dont drop cases when every victims parents ask you to, but cmon
And yes, my attitude would probably change if the male was older
chet
Footballguy
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Actually, the way things are going, I can actually SEE this being taught in today's classrooms in school...You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?
"Guys... once you're over 18, things get more complicated as you may be meeting girls who are very close to the legal age. There have been a number of cases, now where some kid's life has been ruined because some judge with #### for brains makes an 18 or 19 year-old for having sex with his under-age girlfriend. So make sure you know the laws in your state...
"Girls... guys can get into big trouble if they don't check your credentials before they so much as touch your genital areas and it turns out you aren't legal. So you girls should expect to get carded. Bear with the guys on this.
"People... if you are going steady with someone now and one of you are getting close to age 18, be especially careful..."
johnnycakes
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
I'm able to put myself back to my 18/19yo partying self and can't imagine meeting a girl at a party and asking her for ID before we go somewhere to ####.You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?
Foosball God
Foos
I wouldn't have either, but it's a different world. I know I'll be talking to my son about being extra careful.I'm able to put myself back to my 18/19yo partying self and can't imagine meeting a girl at a party and asking her for ID before we go somewhere to ####.You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Between this and the Amherst college story, it will soon be a very good idea to have a portable copy machine to get a copy of the id and a signed affadavit indicating her consent.I'm able to put myself back to my 18/19yo partying self and can't imagine meeting a girl at a party and asking her for ID before we go somewhere to ####.You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?
johnnycakes
Footballguy
You must be soft on crime.
3C's
Footballguy
Certainly, but I know I still wouldn't stop in the heat of the moment to ask for ID. Even now, knowing what I know.I wouldn't have either, but it's a different world. I know I'll be talking to my son about being extra careful.I'm able to put myself back to my 18/19yo partying self and can't imagine meeting a girl at a party and asking her for ID before we go somewhere to ####.You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
But there is no way you talk to her as she's bragging about her new bike with the basket with a flower on it that she got for Christmas and telling you who her favorite NKOTB/Back Street Boy/One Direction guy is and not at least think that talking a little further might be a good idea. I think anyone that starts sticking it anywhere that will have them at parties without even getting a feel for the age involved, is certainly rolling the dice on jail time.I'm able to put myself back to my 18/19yo partying self and can't imagine meeting a girl at a party and asking her for ID before we go somewhere to ####.You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?
To whoever said he can't be a college student without internet/smart phone: Maybe thinning the college applicants by weeding out those that make bad decisions works in this case. There were enough idiots like that in college. Many shouldn't have been there as their primary focus was clearly not on studying.
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