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Manchin for POTUS in 2024?? (1 Viewer)

Summer Wheat

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Lets be real.   If Biden make it though this term he will not run again at 82 years old.   Harris can`t win nor should she.

Manchin?  Could he be what we need and will he run?  A Dem POTUS who actually looks at the big picture would be awesome and good for the country.  Manchin seems like the middle man both sides could support and rally behind. Biden was going to be that guy but he is too old and tired.

What do you say?   Manchin would get my vote.  Yours?

 
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I would consider him.  I didn't know much about him until recently so I'm not going to endorse fully based upon him standing up to the Dem mob, but I certainly like what I've heard from him.

 
What do you say?   Manchin would get my vote.  Yours?


If you had no choice but to pick an established Democrat for pure functional governance,  who is not a DINO and has not been cancelled by the Party apparatus and is still considered, in the most technical sense, a contender - That would be Amy Klobuchar

War with China is all but inevitable at some point. Klobuchar is the type to shoot a 14 year old paperboy with a spear gun for going full Donovan McNabb and missing her lawn. ( Klobuchar would probably be offended that the paperboy threw it at her feet)  As soon as the CCP starts saber rattling, Klobuchar will just start launching missiles. Right near her underground coven, John Wick is outside washing her car.

Given the priorities of the Obama/Biden/Harris/Rice regime, which is to hold onto the ACA at all costs. No matter what has to be spent or who needs to die to do it, then their best hope is Michelle Obama. She doesn't have a COVID19 narrative laying on her resume and she has mostly avoided  a lot of the controversies that will hang most of the current contenders. She will do better to appeal to suburban women and she can lock in Hollywood and the black vote.

The desperation choice is Stacey Abrams. She will not survive hard vetting on her financials and her barnstorming of voter registrations will dig up some ugly optics. Her EScores, going from memory, do not test well with men in general, particularly black men. Functionally she's a high level political "bag man" that rose because of identity politics. Abrams would lose but it would still allow the establishment Democrats to claim racism when she falls.

Manchin has lots of problems but the killshot will be taking money from Big Pharma/Big Medicine, esp from his daughters company, to allow the price of EpiPens to spike. Lining your pockets to make it easier for America's children to die won't sell very well.

Who do I think will get the ticket at this point?  Gavin Newsom.

He's a Party loyalist and he can be controlled and it would align Pelosi's factions with what's left of Obama's core group. This would make Nancy Pelosi the de facto POTUS but Obama might not care if it means his namesake, the ACA, survives. Newsom could beat Trump, maybe, but he couldn't be Nikki Haley nor Ron De Santis.

If you had to absolutely pick a sleeper who could win over the American people?

John Fetterman of Pennsylvania.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fetterman

He has a simple blue collar narrative that moderates and independents and undecideds will like.  Fetterman has done a good job resisting the kind of caricature enforcer role given to George Murdoch/Tyrus which would have sunk him politically. Fetterman supports M4A so he would never get full Party support. If he got that though, he could win. But it's more likely that if he got too too popular, he would be sent jogging on the same path Seth Rich did. What becomes a major complication is Progressive policies, much of the less aggressive stances, are actually relatively popular with the general public. But hard line Progressives simply don't show up to the voting booth to the degree that is needed to make a difference. Fetterman however is unique and that's worth quite a bit of pull as distance from the current disaster zone of an administration.

Could I spin media optics and pull out a win for Fetterman?  Yes. He might be the only one where I could say that might be true for 2024. But up and down the ticket for the Democratic Party, they don't have anyone with my skill set. Not even half of it. The word got out long ago, working as a high level staffer for the Obama regime is basically career death unless you have no other options. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The first criteria for establishment Democrats and the DNC is who can be controlled. Functional governance and if the person can win over the people falls far behind.

Generally there is just no one to get practically excited about for the Democratic Party in 2024. Mostly that roster is just filled with a gaggle of sad angry incompetent narcissists who can't wait to talk about themselves and complain about their First World entitlement and blame everyone else for their failures.  If I wanted to deal with that on a regular basis, I would have become a marriage counselor.

John Fetterman is actually pretty interesting. But the core Party appartus says you can't have interesting. You can only have a human sock puppet willing to get pimped out for big donor money and special interests.

 
I don't think there is anyway he'd make it through a Democratic primary.


He has a better chance of winning the NBA scoring title then winning the dem primary...since I believe there is less then a zero chance of Biden running in 2024 the dem primary has the potential to be an all-time battle royal...you have three camps (moderate or what is left of it, the liberals and the socialists) and right now I do not see one single exciting candidate or one capable of uniting those three camps...politically this could be one of the most fascinating races in recent history as these three camps battle and has a chance to be absolutely explosive...you could really see someone come out of nowhere in this race.  

 
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Didn’t Trump get something like 70% of the vote in W. Virginia? Manchin would probably lose his home state.  And he probably has about as much chance of winning the primaries for the Democrats as Kinzinger would for the Republicans.

That being said I’d consider voting for him.

 
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Didn’t Trump get something like 70% of the vote in W. Virginia? Manchin would probably lose his home state.  And he probably has about as much chance of winning the primaries for the Democrats as Kinzinger would for the Republicans.

That being said I’d consider voting for him.
Came here to post the same thing. Kinzinger, Cheney, Romney...

 
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...politically this could be one of the most fascinating races in recent history and has a chance to be absolutely explosive...you could really see someone come out of nowhere in this race.  


This is a multiple layer problem for the DNC.

Three more years of Biden/Harris at this trajectory propels Donald Trump back into some kind of contender situation. I didn't think that was remotely possible at the end of 2020 but here we are in a place no one believed was possible. So that's a problem for  America right off the bat. This country doesn't need four more years of Donald Trump. No more aging over the top controversial lighting rods. The entire world is a target rich environment of nails and Trump believes he's the world's last hammer.

If the DNC pulls Kamala Harris for Gavin Newsom, that's a massive optical problem. You are pulling the potential for the first female black POTUS for a privileged smug white elitist that was soaked in Getty influence and money. Do you want me to say it?  If I was running media optics for RNC HQ, the best way to tagline Newsom is keep calling him a human Ken Doll. It's a quick simple dirty image that smears him to the general public and will trigger low information voters. Newsom's problems are vast but the real sticker shock will come from sleeping with another one of his staffers. That's been almost wholly suppressed in the MSM but that won't last in a true POTUS run. That also means it could be a cascade of other "incidents"  Newsom's EScores test very highly with middle age women. Basically, like Clinton, lots of suburban women might find him good looking. One cheating incident where he slept with the wife of his campaign manager in SF long ago is one thing, but a pattern of behavior will sink him to female voters. On the flip side, Harris has been outed with sleeping with Willie Brown to get ahead politically. Being seen and profiled out as a high profile calculating "side chick" is not going to help your already toxic political brand. One more dug up incident with a married man for Harris finishes her with female voters for good.

Newsom might be able to beat Donald Trump. The problem is your Party can't push intersectionality and claim racism around every corner and then pull the rug out from under Harris for the archetype of the condescending white establishment.

If you run Newsom in 2024 and he loses, then you've neutralized him for 2028. And by 2028, Nancy Pelosi might not live that long, so all that leverage behind Newsom disappears. But Newsom just barely survived recall so he has no incentive to try to stick around. If Pelosi passes away, he risks getting primaried at some point, which ends his POTUS potential. Right now DNC HQ is probably hoping Pelosi rediscovers Cross Fit and gets on Steve Nash's zero sugar diet and only gorges on Tom Brady's specially conceived avocado ice cream to live long enough to keep Newsom in play. If you neutralize Newsom and no one else emerges, the only one left with brand name value by 2028 is AOC. If your Party appartus keeps failing upwards until they accidentally make AOC a legitimate POTUS contender then the question emerges if you deserve to never win again for anything period.

Hence the other part of the problem. Getting a POTUS candidate in place takes time. It takes at minimum a full cycle but most of the time will take two cycles. The RNC already had their long term eyes on Nikki Haley back during Obama's reign. You need someone "brand name" because you need someone already established in the daily media cycle. Also big corporate interests and other special interests only care about driving big money into known quantities ( i.e. who they know can be controlled and who will push policy their way, no one wants a repeat of rebooting the political structure like dealing with JFK anymore )

If you know you are going to lose 2024 (i.e. facing Nikki Haley), then you have to send Kamala Harris up to be a human political punching bag. No point is getting someone with long term potential  smeared as a "loser" in the eyes of the public. And you can still push intersectionality when she loses, and still claim the Republican party is full of nothing but hillbilly bigots and racists who use empty Cool Whip containers as fine dining china. But that would be conceding a loss to try to hold onto Big Blue strongholds that are faltering in the hopes that 2028 will be a better play.

No matter what happens, no matter what road is taken, America just plain loses here.

When your best option for a "win" is that Gavin Newsom is a walking human political sock puppet and a then 84 year old Nancy Pelosi will shadow run this country, I'm not sure I see any real upside.

We could all be sitting in Tulsi Gabbard's second term right now. No J6. No mean tweets. No Afghanistan. No Border Crisis. No impeachment hearings. No napping on a national stage. No cackling. Some of you will label her a DINO but she appears to be a functional rational leader, albeit with too much spin on the overrated servant based leadership model, despite being a grifter like all the rest of them. Gabbard looks like someone you would be OK with having as a neighbor and having a decent adult intelligent conversation with between two driveways. Instead we get codependent caricatures built mostly on egregious shock marketing.

I don't think there's time left to have someone "come out of nowhere"  That would far better than what is likely to happen though.

If you look throughout all of recorded human history, America right now is at the point where if someone truly popular with the American people emerged and looked like a decent civil moderate intelligent contender who was also a rare non sociopath, they would likely be killed. It's gotten to the point where any hope for the average American would end in a bullet to the head.  I thought this nation wouldn't get back there after the JFK/RFK hits. But here we are. Again.

I just see a few narrow roads where the average American loses no matter what.

 
Do any Dems support him?  Would seem he would have a better shot running as Rep candidate, can least have platform as I stuck it to Joe

 
Didn’t Trump get something like 70% of the vote in W. Virginia? Manchin would probably lose his home state.  And he probably has about as much chance of winning the primaries for the Democrats as Kinzinger would for the Republicans.

That being said I’d consider voting for him.


Trump, Biden, Manchin.  If I had to pick one it would be Manchin.  Even though I don`t know a much about him he has to be better than the last two buffoons.

 
Its rude, crass, full of foul language, and about Joe Manchin. You are warned.

The Rude Pundit

Proudly lowering the level of political discourse

 
Absolutely no interest in a president who will stonewall efforts to help climate change because of his personal interest in coal

 
GordonGekko said:
We could all be sitting in Tulsi Gabbard's second term right now. No J6. No mean tweets. No Afghanistan. No Border Crisis. No impeachment hearings. No napping on a national stage. No cackling. Some of you will label her a DINO but she appears to be a functional rational leader, albeit with too much spin on the overrated servant based leadership model, despite being a grifter like all the rest of them. Gabbard looks like someone you would be OK with having as a neighbor and having a decent adult intelligent conversation with between two driveways. Instead we get codependent caricatures built mostly on egregious shock marketing.
Amen, brother.

 
There are always these DINO/RINO options that the opposing party seems to love. Whether it is Manchin, Gabbard or Kasich. Maybe we should get the Democrats to pick the Republican nominee and vice versa. Pretty much guaranteed to have 2 moderate nominees then.

 
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Summer Wheat said:
Lets be real.   If Biden make it though this term he will not run again at 82 years old.   Harris can`t win nor should she.

Manchin?  Could he be what we need and will he run?  A Dem POTUS who actually looks at the big picture would be awesome and good for the country.  Manchin seems like the middle man both sides could support and rally behind. Biden was going to be that guy but he is too old and tired.

What do you say?   Manchin would get my vote.  Yours?


Manchin would be 77 by the time he's sworn in. Biden was 78. 

I'm tired of electing the elderly to run the country. 

 
E Street Brat said:
He's a representative for WV. His entire state has an interest in coal. 
True. But the Senator founded a coal company, which his son runs, and which pays him $500K/year in dividends from his stock position. No surprise when he wants to pump the brakes on alternative energy. 

 
Coal?  

It is not what will sustain this planet. Coal mines are incredibly destructive to the environment.

Cmon W. Virginia, there are other options.

 
True. But the Senator founded a coal company, which his son runs, and which pays him $500K/year in dividends from his stock position. No surprise when he wants to pump the brakes on alternative energy. 
No way elect someone who thinks their son is an energy expert.

 
Give me Romney/Manchin 2024, and I'm good. Or reverse the ticket. Whatever. 

But that's not how we do it anymore. I'm happy with Biden. Unfortunately, he might be the last moderate/sane dude for awhile. Even if we get a decent person in the WH, they have to pay so much fealty to the AOC/Matt Gaetz's of the world that it's not really even worth it anyway.

 
... I'm happy with Biden. Unfortunately, he might be the last moderate/sane dude for awhile. ....


DIRECT HEADLINE: Biden’s ties to segregationist senator spark campaign tension

Joe Biden has described his relationship with Sen. James Eastland, a well-known segregationist, as one he "had to put up with." But letters between the two men show a different kind of relationship.

by Matt Viser and Annie Linskey, Washington Post Jun 20, 2019

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/joe-biden-james-eastland-segregation-democratic-primary-20190621.html

The recipient of ( then Congressman) Biden's entreaty was (then Senator) James Eastland, at the time a well-known (public) segregationist who had called (all) blacks "an inferior race" and once (openly) vowed to prevent blacks and whites from eating together in Washington.

DIRECT HEADLINE: Biden Rejects Calls to Apologize for Praise of Segregationist

2020 rivals slam the former vice president, who spoke fondly of the “civility” of his relationship with a Mississippi senator who once called to “abolish the Negro race”

By Tim Dickinson June 19, 2019 9:56PM ET

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-did-biden-praise-racist-senator-booker-deblasio-850220/

DIRECT HEADLINE: Biden Refuses To Apologise For Working With Racist Senators

BBC 20 June 2019

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48696126

DIRECT HEADLINE: “Apologize for What?”: Biden Doubles Down as Segregation Scandal Escalates

In Biden World, being the front-runner means never having to say you’re sorry.

By Tina Nguyen June 20, 2019

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/biden-doubles-down-as-segregation-scandal-escalates

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How would young black men in America today feel about Biden? Do you think they are happy with him? He authored the Crime Bill in 1994 and took on a VP who was linked to suppressing evidence to keep more young black men in prison.

I'm not sure love bombing known racists would qualify anyone for being "moderate" but everyone has their own free speech I suppose.

 
Give me Romney/Manchin 2024, and I'm good. Or reverse the ticket. Whatever. 

But that's not how we do it anymore. I'm happy with Biden. Unfortunately, he might be the last moderate/sane dude for awhile. Even if we get a decent person in the WH, they have to pay so much fealty to the AOC/Matt Gaetz's of the world that it's not really even worth it anyway.


Herman Talmadge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Talmadge

After (then) President Lyndon B. Johnson signed (into law) the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Talmadge, along with more than a dozen other (supporting) southern senators, (then) boycotted the 1964 Democratic National Convention.

James Eastland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eastland#Opposition_to_civil_rights

In 1944, Eastland (openly) claimed the "Negro race" was an inferior race... and like most ( to many )of his Southern colleagues ( in Congress), opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964...Eastland, along with (complicit) senators Robert Byrd, John McClellan, Olin D. Johnston, Sam Ervin, and Strom Thurmond, made (several) unsuccessful attempts to block confirmation of Thurgood Marshall to (both) the Second Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court.

Remarks by the President and the Vice President at a Memorial Service for Senator Robert C. Byrd

Office of the Press Secretary  Charleston, West Virginia 1:09 P.M. EDT

In 2010, he warmly eulogized Sen. Robert Byrd, a former Exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan, saying he was “one of my mentors” and that “the Senate is a lesser place for his going.”

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/realitycheck/the-press-office/remarks-president-and-vice-president-a-memorial-service-senator-robert-c-byrd

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Biden considered a high level KKK fixer as one of his "mentors"  He also had deep ties to two deep segregationists and racists in Congress. Eastland did his best to make sure Thurgood Marshall never made SCOTUS. Sound close to something else? How about Biden running roughshod over Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearing?

The rest of Biden's pathway?

You oppose busing.

You are caught lying about marching for civil rights and your relationship with Nelson Mandela.

Your own Vice President calls you a racist and implies you are a rapist to a national audience

You become the lackey/towelboy as a young Congressman to a couple of pure all out racists

You learn your tradecraft and carry a deep friendship with one of the highest ranking KKK heavy hitters in the country

You are the catalyst for all of the modern day legislation in our criminal justice system that targets young black men

You are caught on record saying you don't want your own children near any "racial jungles"

And finally you platform on woke, diversity, social justice, intersectionality and scream out that all your agendas will be based on identity politics methodology despite your actual record on engaging Black America and literally no one in the complicit MSM will say a single word about it.

I've never met a full bore racist I've determined as being a "moderate" 

I've never seen the sanity in a public figure literally walking around waving his middle finger in everyone's faces to let them know he's actually a deep hard line racist but low information voters will never know since everything surrounding the issue will be buried and suppressed.

You actually said if we even get a decent person in the White House. You actually said that. But OK, it's your free speech. It's your vote and your pathway towards your own political viewpoint. I won't take that from you.

But here's the question that matters - Just how much did Joe Biden take away from Black America for nearly 50 years in public office?

 

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