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Well, he certainly deserved his 1st chance w/ the Jets. Aside from that, only one team has hired him as a head coach, and I think we can safely say he will not get a 3rd chance, maybe not even as a coordinator in the NFL. What's so confusing? Who else keeps offering him head coaching positions?
This is the most likely scenario, in my opinion.
I don't necessarily agree with this. Guy did a decent job of getting talent - just wasn't an X and Os kind of guy.
So can anyone explain what happened to him in New York?He won there, right?He won at first. And then he was winning with Favre (just as the Vikes are now) only to see Favre get hurt (Vikes, beware...), the season tank, and see himself (Mangini) get the blame (deservedly, but why?)?Edit: I realize bad things are going down in Cleveland, but, who could take that krewe and win??? Who ordered Quinn benched? Who keeps DA starting? Who ordered Edwards out of town in return for a ham sandwich? Who drafted (an admittedly good) tackle instead of Peterson? Who's making those decisions???I think it is inevitible that is gone after this year or next. Nobody likes this guy, least of all his players.When he gets the ax -- what is next for him? Is he out of the NFL? Coordinator? Does he ever make it back to the top?He has to have the worst personality in the NFL. He makes ol' Hoody Bill look like the life of the party.
I'm not confused. He has been offered 2 head coaching positions since leaving the Pats, and the first should have been the last.I dont agree with the bolded part. AT ALL. Why did he deserve the first HC job? Because he coached on SB winning Pats teams? BB ran that team then just like he runs it now. Mangini was just anothe piece in BB's chess set. DON'T kid yourself.
I agree. There is a big difference between evaluating talent and runing a professional football team.
We warned them. The funniest part was not that they didn't believe us about how much of a train wreck he is, but the fact they thought we were "bitter" for losing him.Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!! I rooted for the Miami Dolphins .... the Miami F***ing Dolphins to beat us in week 17 last year, while we still had an outside shot at the playoffs with a victory just because I hoped, not knew, but HOPED losing that game would get him fired.The day Mangini was fired ranks in my top 10 Jets moments. 
Lets not go overboard.. The man has his problems but, he did assemble most of the talent on the Jets right now for good or bad - Look at his drafts and they were mostly good. His FA moves were pretty good led by Jenkins.... I think he does have a good eye for talent. (The Gholston pick was his 1 major disaster but, was also the concensus pick and not some wild out of left field pick)He also knows the game of football - He's no Herm Edwards...As reported by Jets players - His weakness was translating that knowledge to the field and allowing players to be themseves...His other MAJOR weakness is his social skills.But, he didn't ruin the Jets - He was MAN-GENUIS in year 1, ravaged by injuries in year 2 and had the Favre experiment in year 3 when the defense 1st started to show signs with Jenkins.As for the Answer - He should definitley go the college route a la Groh and Pete Carrol.
JMJ said:TLEF316 said:We warned them. The funniest part was not that they didn't believe us about how much of a train wreck he is, but the fact they thought we were "bitter" for losing him.Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!! I rooted for the Miami Dolphins .... the Miami F***ing Dolphins to beat us in week 17 last year, while we still had an outside shot at the playoffs with a victory just because I hoped, not knew, but HOPED losing that game would get him fired.The day Mangini was fired ranks in my top 10 Jets moments.
Mangini lost me in Seattle - must win game...Wallace at QB and 4 rookie/journeyman OL in the game and Mangini was in prevent - unless you count the safety blitz where Rhodes started from the locker room! Guy was in way over his head and got as conservative as Hermie - and his awful PR did not help - Rex may be arrogant with a mediocre team but its better than hearing about the damn "process" every week and an "injury to the lower left extremety" - ugh!
To be fair - Go back and read the Cleveland thread - Cleveland fans were Apprehensive to say the least....This Was NOT like Kansas City fans defending Herm Edwards till the bitter end....JMJ said:TLEF316 said:We warned them. The funniest part was not that they didn't believe us about how much of a train wreck he is, but the fact they thought we were "bitter" for losing him.
He'll be the punchline for jokes in Cleveland (and New York) for years. He threw one of his best friends under the bus to keep his job in Cleveland and what comes around, goes around. Once he gets his walking papers from the Browns I highly doubt we'll see him as an NFL head coach and probably not even as a coordinator. He has college head coach written all over him...and a middle of the road one at that.
No doubt this is his last gig in the NFL at any level of responsibility. He won't be heard from again after this display.
If Mangini has a guaranteed contract, why would he need to throw his friend under the bus to save his job? He would get paid either way.
And yet he's keeping Quinn on the bench to save $1.3 million.
He thinks he will get another gig someday and he is saying, 'I'm great and if it wasn't for this hack GM, I would have us on top of the division'. What else would a rodent (like this guy is) say?
They have proven that they don't count as employing NFL talent.
i don't think we know that definitively.but we do know that he's shelling out quite a bit of money for Crennel and Savage for the next few years.eta: players count towards the cap. coaches do not.And yet he's keeping Quinn on the bench to save $1.3 million.
This was the first thought that popped into my head.ETA - the only question is where the Raiders will give up a 1st round pick or try to force the Browns to settle for a 2nd-rounder.-QG
NY Jets with....Edwards as coach 39-41 .488 made playoffs 3 of 5 years
Herm adpopted Parcell's playoff ready team...
Parcells last year as Jets HC was 1999, Herm didn't start until 2001The Jets didn't make the playoffs in 1999 or 2000
Right - Al Groh coached Parcells team in 2000 and went 9-7 in a year he had so little control of the team that he quit.... 1999 was the year they lost Testeverde in game 1 and then were ravaged all year by injuries But, that team was coming off 12-4 and was a favorite to win the SB. If you want to actually look at the talent Pre-injury like I'm talking about here.Again, just look at the talent - Not sure it's much of a debate at all... Look at the drafts, compare the drafts.
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. Are you forgetting that Hollywood Mangina man was on the Sopranos? The guy is a star.
As a Jets fan, I fully endorse this post! A lot of the BB disciples are getting chances at being head coaches, when they probably aren't even that great of coordinators. BB basically runs his ship tight as can be, but obviously needs warm blooded bodies because he can't be 25 places at the same time. So these bodies ride his coattails and get these jobs, and utterly prove themselves to be not qualified at all. And then once they're at that stage, its like the owners/GMs of the league don't realize quickly enough that they are not qualified enough, so these guys get recycled a few times before they fall off. Not saying all of BBs disciples fall into this category, but many do. Mangini doesn't even have the people skills to be a coach in this league. Grown men making millions of dollars don't want to hear about fines because they didn't shine their boots properly. THis is not the USMC, this is the NFL. I am in the camp of belief that he'll be completely out of the NFL come a year or two from now. But you know what, he made a bunch of cashish being the terribly mediocre coach and jerk to boot from it, so good for him. Go spend time with your kids or whatever...
Mangini was not the GM with the Jets guy...
true but it was a 2 headed monster with Tanny - Mangini had lots of input into the roster
Understood, and I agree, and most coaches will have input to their roster, based on the scheme they want to run etc. But I will hold reservation on him being a personnel guru. Then again, maybe that is his calling, being a GM as opposed to a coach. Good luck to him finding a team that will give him that job though. He has not handled his young career at this stage properly, and it will cost him everything in the long run. And by the long run I mean within a year, two at most...
I agree with the bolded above. But I think it's absurd to suggest none of the Bellichek disciples have any coaching talent. Many went to really bad situations that would have been impossible for anyone to succeed in. Would you say the same of Josh McDaniels?
Reread what I said...Not saying all of BBs disciples fall into this category, but many do.
Mangini played a huge role in getting the players he wanted - Tannenbaum, his buddy, the accountant who got him his job so they could work together to find talent, helped as well but, it was a definite shift from Bradway and whatever input Herm was able to give, if any.Guy.
