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Mangini on notice (1 Viewer)

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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...apse_as_er.html

Woody Johnson had just witnessed the final insult in an unfathomable collapse that began four weeks ago, and he was clearly disgusted. In a brief interview outside the Jets' locker room Sunday night after a season-ending, 24-17 loss to the Dolphins at the Meadowlands, the owner ripped his team of underachievers and put Eric Mangini on notice.

"It's extremely frustrating. I'm disappointed in the season," said Johnson, who rarely shows any public anger. "We have a lot of talent. I'm unhappy with what turned out. I hate to disappoint the fans. I feel badly for them. They deserved more and we wanted to give it to them."

For a mild-mannered owner like Johnson, that amounted to flinging a chair through a pane of glass. It may not bode well for Mangini, whose status was discussed last week in high-level organizational meetings. Johnson was mum on his onetime Boy Wonder, declining to give him a vote of confidence after the Jets' fourth loss in five games, the worst meltdown in the team's star-crossed history.

Asked if Mangini will return next season, Johnson said, "We're going to look at that. I'm going to get my guys together and we'll look at everything. . . . We're going to make these decisions in a rational way."

Johnson said he hopes to make a decision this week. It could take weeks, maybe months to figure out how out the Jets went from an 8-3 Super Bowl contender to a 9-7 also-ran, officially eliminated at 7:04 p.m., when the Ravens beat the Jaguars to secure the final wild-card spot. Johnson doled out nearly $160 million for veteran acquisitions, including future Hall of Famer Brett Favre, and it ended with a Nightmare on L Street. The only thing missing were cameo appearances by A.J. Duhe and Dan Marino, Dolphin villains from their haunted past.

Of all the Jets' bloody endings - it's now 40 straight years without a Super Bowl - this may have been the worst. They lost to their old quarterback, Chad Pennington, who outplayed their new old quarterback, who threw three interceptions, admitted he was plagued by shoulder pain through the season and sounded like he was ready to head back to his farm in Mississippi.

"I'm sure everybody's going to say he's old and washed up. Maybe they're right," said Favre, 39, who will have an MRI exam today on his throwing shoulder and is leaning toward retirement (again), according to several people close to him.

The Jets lost to a team they had beaten five straight times, a team that was 1-15 a year ago. Now the Dolphins are the AFC East champions, an amazing turnaround, and the Jets could be on the verge of a housecleaning.

A subdued, emotionless Mangini, 23-25 in three seasons (0-1 in the playoffs), said he hasn't discussed his future with ownership, but he expects to return. "That's my anticipation," he said. His contract, with only one year remaining, will have to be addressed even if he stays.

As it turned out, the Jets would've missed the playoffs even if they had won. They needed a Patriots loss to the Bills or a Ravens loss, and neither happened. The day was a total loss. So was the season.

"I'm trying to wrap my mind around this whole thing, just the collapse we had," tackle Damien Woody said. "One minute, we're 8-3. Next minute, we're done, season over. It's hard to fathom right now. Shoot, you could look at it like we lost five games. The Buffalo game was a gift."

Linebacker Calvin Pace was livid.

"It's embarrassing, to be honest with you," he said. "We don't really have anyone to blame but ourselves. Everybody in this room should take a look in the mirror and see why we'll be sitting at home."

Guard Brandon Moore scoffed at the suggestion that the team nosedived because it bought into the hype of its five-game winning streak.

"That's the easy way out," he sniffed. "That's like trying to blame coaches for losing. If you can't handle winning, you're never going to win anything."

The Jets' decline coincided with Favre's late-season slump, a five-game stretch in which he threw for nine interceptions and only two touchdowns. Favre (20-for-40, 233 yards) showed some spunk yesterday, but he killed the team with his second interception, returned 25 yards for a touchdown by defensive end Phillip Merling. His third interception came on a potential game-tying touchdown in the fourth quarter.

How's that quarterback switch looking now?

Pennington, fired by the Jets after the Favre trade, made his old team look silly. Showing that it doesn't take a big arm or a Hall of Fame resume to win a division title, he passed for 200 yards and two touchdowns, dissecting a sometimes-confused Jets defense.

What else is new? The Jets blew 6-0 and 17-14 leads, coming apart like a jigsaw puzzle in a windstorm.

"The hardest part is the finality of it, especially when you expect to go on," Favre said somberly.

Mangini addressed the team after the game, but he didn't mention his future. Asked to summarize Mangini's message, guard Alan Faneca said, "Basically, this feeling sucks, but we'll regroup."

But maybe with a different coach and a different quarterback.

 
on WFAN , Carton and Boomer were talking about a presser that Woody and Tannenbaum were going to have this morning.. curiously absent from the press conference, is Mangini..

not sure what it means...

;)

 
I still say there's absolutely no chance Mangini is gone....

The Jets whole talk has been about being consistent with their front office - 5 weeks ago Mangini and Woody were in the Hot tub driniking Sambuca.... You don't go from that to firing a guy. And they signed up for this season knowing it was a long shot to add all those pieces and go far - That said, the coaching had left a lot to be desired.

No way IMO does Mangini go - The Defensive Cooridinator goes... Just like they did with Herm.

Mangini gets probably 2 more years...

That said, next years schedule is a doozy - That'll be tough for the whole AFC east.

So, long term, it might be a tough road for this HC.

 
on WFAN , Carton and Boomer were talking about a presser that Woody and Tannenbaum were going to have this morning.. curiously absent from the press conference, is Mangini..not sure what it means... :rolleyes:
i posted the ny post blog....he's a goner:excited:
 
I still say there's absolutely no chance Mangini is gone....The Jets whole talk has been about being consistent with their front office - 5 weeks ago Mangini and Woody were in the Hot tub driniking Sambuca.... You don't go from that to firing a guy. And they signed up for this season knowing it was a long shot to add all those pieces and go far - That said, the coaching had left a lot to be desired.No way IMO does Mangini go - The Defensive Cooridinator goes... Just like they did with Herm.Mangini gets probably 2 more years...That said, next years schedule is a doozy - That'll be tough for the whole AFC east.So, long term, it might be a tough road for this HC.
:thumbdown: WOW.... Word is heating up..Call me Shocked - I just didn't think you did that after 3 years, 2 winning seasons....Woody better have Cowher or someone else on the hook to make a move like that....WOW....
 
I still say there's absolutely no chance Mangini is gone....The Jets whole talk has been about being consistent with their front office - 5 weeks ago Mangini and Woody were in the Hot tub driniking Sambuca.... You don't go from that to firing a guy. And they signed up for this season knowing it was a long shot to add all those pieces and go far - That said, the coaching had left a lot to be desired.No way IMO does Mangini go - The Defensive Cooridinator goes... Just like they did with Herm.Mangini gets probably 2 more years...That said, next years schedule is a doozy - That'll be tough for the whole AFC east.So, long term, it might be a tough road for this HC.
:mellow: WOW.... Word is heating up..Call me Shocked - I just didn't think you did that after 3 years, 2 winning seasons....Woody better have Cowher or someone else on the hook to make a move like that....WOW....
I gotta agree with you here - UNLESS they have Cowher already lined up I think this is a bad move by the Jets organization.I guess Woody and his PSL's has to appease the fans in someway - don't think this is the right move. Starting over by hiring some no name coordinator will take a couple of years to put together.
 
Look who's complaining about Mangini

Now that the Jets have gone down in flames and started their offseason, we can begin debating two questions in earnest. The first is whether Eric Mangini will be fired for steering the team from 8-3 to 9-7, while the second involves Brett Favre's future. The answer to the second may be contingent on the first.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports today that the veteran quarterback who has made a marketing career out of being just one of the boys doesn't actually like being treated like one of the boys. According to Glazer, the quarterback is chafing at the amount of meetings and quizzes Mangini has for his team. Perhaps most damaging, Favre's play wasn't treated with any deference, unlike his days with the Packers.

With the Jets, however, the sources say that Favre has been called to what they dub "the principal's office" and grilled about making bad throws that turned into interceptions. Those same sources say this is not just done in private. Mangini will also grill Favre about his throws in front of the team, just like everybody else.
Given the amount of bad throws Favre made down the stretch, it must have been a rough December.The Jets shouldn't fall into the trap of trying to accomodate Favre. If Mangini goes, fine, but the brass must make the decision about the new coach based on all 53 players, not just one who may or may not be taking another NFL snap.
 
My dad is a Jets fan so I follow them somewhat liberally but from what I saw this year, there wasn't one throw that Favre made, that Pennington would not have been able to.

Most fans were finished with Pennington, and while I think they jumped the gun as most fans in NY do(I am a yankees fan so I have been guilty of this as well), I do not blame them for wanting someone new lining up under center.

Problem I had is by bringing in the veteran gunslinger, I dont think their offensive identity changed much over the course of the past two seasons....same ol' Jets.

If you were going to take the offensive approach that NY took this season(dink/dunk), management/coaching should have told the fans to suck it up and live with Pennington and his mistake free quarterbacking . Now if the plan was to open up the play calling and start bombing the ball down field and they suddenly found out that Favre couldn't get it done....well, then you were warned well before acquiring him.

 
Look who's complaining about Mangini

Now that the Jets have gone down in flames and started their offseason, we can begin debating two questions in earnest. The first is whether Eric Mangini will be fired for steering the team from 8-3 to 9-7, while the second involves Brett Favre's future. The answer to the second may be contingent on the first.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports today that the veteran quarterback who has made a marketing career out of being just one of the boys doesn't actually like being treated like one of the boys. According to Glazer, the quarterback is chafing at the amount of meetings and quizzes Mangini has for his team. Perhaps most damaging, Favre's play wasn't treated with any deference, unlike his days with the Packers.

With the Jets, however, the sources say that Favre has been called to what they dub "the principal's office" and grilled about making bad throws that turned into interceptions. Those same sources say this is not just done in private. Mangini will also grill Favre about his throws in front of the team, just like everybody else.
Given the amount of bad throws Favre made down the stretch, it must have been a rough December.The Jets shouldn't fall into the trap of trying to accomodate Favre. If Mangini goes, fine, but the brass must make the decision about the new coach based on all 53 players, not just one who may or may not be taking another NFL snap.
This is what Favre has turned into. He hasn't been treated this way since Holmgren. McCarthy held him accountable as well, but I think he kid gloved him a bit more than this. Careful what you wish for Brett.
 
Chemical X said:
Tanner9919 said:
on WFAN , Carton and Boomer were talking about a presser that Woody and Tannenbaum were going to have this morning.. curiously absent from the press conference, is Mangini..not sure what it means... :shrug:
i posted the ny post blog....he's a goner:hot:
Why did you start a new thread when "Mangini on notice" was at the top of page 1 and posted hours before yours?
 
Chemical X said:
Tanner9919 said:
on WFAN , Carton and Boomer were talking about a presser that Woody and Tannenbaum were going to have this morning.. curiously absent from the press conference, is Mangini..not sure what it means... <_<
i posted the ny post blog....he's a goner:confused:
Why did you start a new thread when "Mangini on notice" was at the top of page 1 and posted hours before yours?
Wow.. you sure are protective
 
Chemical X said:
Tanner9919 said:
on WFAN , Carton and Boomer were talking about a presser that Woody and Tannenbaum were going to have this morning.. curiously absent from the press conference, is Mangini..not sure what it means... <_<
i posted the ny post blog....he's a goner:confused:
Why did you start a new thread when "Mangini on notice" was at the top of page 1 and posted hours before yours?
Wow.. you sure are protective
just curiousrecently was chatting with some folks that don't post news here anymore and used to all the time so ...well I'm curious
 

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