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Manning adds Garcon to route-tree routine (1 Viewer)

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To comprehend the exclusive nature of Peyton Manning's route-tree routine prior to a game, consider the number of

receivers who have been allowed into his "circle of trust" with any regularity the past 13 seasons.

Marvin Harrison. And Reggie Wayne.

That's it.

"There's only two guys," coach Jim Caldwell noted Thursday afternoon. "Early on when I first arrived (in 2002), it was Marv and it was Reggie."

But lately, there has been a third. Pierre Garcon began sharing repetitions with Wayne several weeks ago.

"(Manning) told me to come out there and join them," Garcon said. "Just running routes versus 'air' and getting loose. It's cool."

Perhaps it's a coincidence, but since being involved with Manning's pregame work, Garcon has achieved a level of productivity that had been missing. He has had at least five catches in each of the past five games and had six for 93 yards and two touchdowns in the Colts' 30-28 win at Tennessee on Dec. 9.

Garcon provided one of the defining plays against the Titans in the fourth quarter when he turned a short second-down reception into a 43-yard catch-and-run. It set up Adam Vinatieri's 47-yard field goal that sealed the victory.

"Things are just going my way now," Garcon said. "I am a little bit healthier and things are starting to click."

Garcon missed two games, including a 31-28 loss at Jacksonville on Oct. 3, and was limited in practice by hamstring issues.

The lack of practice prompted Manning to approach his third-year receiver.

"I just said any chance we have to throw more to Pierre is worth it," Manning said.

Manning stopped short of attributing Garcon's improved play to the pregame work, "but it sure doesn't hurt."

Manning begins his routine approximately 90 minutes before the game. He runs through the route tree: a hitch, a slant, an out, a comeback. He'll throw fades to the corner of the end zone, and work on a 'scramble' drill with the receiver adjusting his route in the back of the end zone.

"That's part of what he does in getting himself ready for a ballgame, (the) comfort level," Caldwell said. "Oftentimes during a game, you'll see those exact same throws. It does indeed help."

Indy Star

http://www.indystar.com/article/20101217/S...=mod%7Cmostview

 
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When Garcon made that unreal 1 handed catch a few weeks ago I became a believer. Guy is a sick athlete. Why'd he drop to the 6th round?

 
When Garcon made that unreal 1 handed catch a few weeks ago I became a believer. Guy is a sick athlete. Why'd he drop to the 6th round?
He's made quite a few sick catches this year, but he's also dropped a tonne of easy passes. Considering he played college ball in Division 3, being a 6th round pick is pretty impressive.
 
When Garcon made that unreal 1 handed catch a few weeks ago I became a believer. Guy is a sick athlete. Why'd he drop to the 6th round?
He's made quite a few sick catches this year, but he's also dropped a tonne of easy passes. Considering he played college ball in Division 3, being a 6th round pick is pretty impressive.
Sure handed lately though-- last 3 games, I don't think he missed a catchable ball.
 
Collie is better and would have better numbers if he was healthy all season.

In his first 6 games:

44 catches, 503 yards, 6 TD's.

Projected over 16 games:

117 catches, 1,340 yards, 16 TD's.

 
It's hard to believe this is an actual story. Seems like pure fluff. If any of them felt it would result in actual improvement on Garçon's game, they'd probably have invited him to join these sessions long ago.

 
It's hard to believe this is an actual story. Seems like pure fluff. If any of them felt it would result in actual improvement on Garçon's game, they'd probably have invited him to join these sessions long ago.
Really? I think it's pretty significant seeing as how Peyton has only allowed two other WRs on the team to participate in this. Two. Ever. The drill seems to be for Peyton's benefit which is why he's allowed to select his company. Now that Wayne is on the downside of his career it will be interesting to see if Garcon can step up and become the go to #1 guy as I still think Peyton has a few good years left in him.
 
It's hard to believe this is an actual story. Seems like pure fluff. If any of them felt it would result in actual improvement on Garçon's game, they'd probably have invited him to join these sessions long ago.
Really? I think it's pretty significant seeing as how Peyton has only allowed two other WRs on the team to participate in this. Two. Ever. The drill seems to be for Peyton's benefit which is why he's allowed to select his company. Now that Wayne is on the downside of his career it will be interesting to see if Garcon can step up and become the go to #1 guy as I still think Peyton has a few good years left in him.
:hifive: You may well be right. Just seems goofy to me that he wouldn't invite other receivers to join in if it truly had a noticeable positive impact on their chemistry.
 
It's hard to believe this is an actual story. Seems like pure fluff. If any of them felt it would result in actual improvement on Garçon's game, they'd probably have invited him to join these sessions long ago.
Really? I think it's pretty significant seeing as how Peyton has only allowed two other WRs on the team to participate in this. Two. Ever. The drill seems to be for Peyton's benefit which is why he's allowed to select his company. Now that Wayne is on the downside of his career it will be interesting to see if Garcon can step up and become the go to #1 guy as I still think Peyton has a few good years left in him.
:shrug: You may well be right. Just seems goofy to me that he wouldn't invite other receivers to join in if it truly had a noticeable positive impact on their chemistry.
He's only had 2 in 13 years. So clearly he's picky about who practices this way. He's got Tamme, Blair White, Collie and Garcon to choose from to develop chemistry. Garcon was his choice. To me it means 2 things...1. He trusts Garcon. If you think he was added because he DIDN'T trust him and needed extra time, you would have to apply that reasoning to Harrison and Wayne.2. Garcon is becoming the #2 in Manning's mind. Collie can still produce well as the #3, but if he wanted Collie and Wayne to be #1 and #2, Collie would have been invited.I know this sounds like 'fluff'. But Manning is perhaps the smartest, most intentional QB in the league. And he's proven he can feed WR's for years and years. This means some good things in the years to come.
 
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To comprehend the exclusive nature of Peyton Manning's route-tree routine prior to a game, consider the number of

receivers who have been allowed into his "circle of trust" with any regularity the past 13 seasons.

Marvin Harrison. And Reggie Wayne.

That's it.

"There's only two guys," coach Jim Caldwell noted Thursday afternoon. "Early on when I first arrived (in 2002), it was Marv and it was Reggie."

But lately, there has been a third. Pierre Garcon began sharing repetitions with Wayne several weeks ago.

"(Manning) told me to come out there and join them," Garcon said. "Just running routes versus 'air' and getting loose. It's cool."

Perhaps it's a coincidence, but since being involved with Manning's pregame work, Garcon has achieved a level of productivity that had been missing. He has had at least five catches in each of the past five games and had six for 93 yards and two touchdowns in the Colts' 30-28 win at Tennessee on Dec. 9.

Garcon provided one of the defining plays against the Titans in the fourth quarter when he turned a short second-down reception into a 43-yard catch-and-run. It set up Adam Vinatieri's 47-yard field goal that sealed the victory.

"Things are just going my way now," Garcon said. "I am a little bit healthier and things are starting to click."

Garcon missed two games, including a 31-28 loss at Jacksonville on Oct. 3, and was limited in practice by hamstring issues.

The lack of practice prompted Manning to approach his third-year receiver.

"I just said any chance we have to throw more to Pierre is worth it," Manning said.

Manning stopped short of attributing Garcon's improved play to the pregame work, "but it sure doesn't hurt."

Manning begins his routine approximately 90 minutes before the game. He runs through the route tree: a hitch, a slant, an out, a comeback. He'll throw fades to the corner of the end zone, and work on a 'scramble' drill with the receiver adjusting his route in the back of the end zone.

"That's part of what he does in getting himself ready for a ballgame, (the) comfort level," Caldwell said. "Oftentimes during a game, you'll see those exact same throws. It does indeed help."

Indy Star

http://www.indystar.com/article/20101217/S...=mod%7Cmostview
10/10 too bad we didn't get this nugget a few weeks back when garcon started doing this and was gettable...

 
I can't figure out why people are still banging the it's-someone-else-not-Garcon-in-Indy drum. Garcon can do things that no one else on the team can do. He can make the ridiculous one-hand grab 3' off the ground. He can break four tackles and rumble fifty yards. He can decleat linebackers. And despite the fact that he's a few months past 24 and not even three full seasons removed from playing football powers Marietta College and Otterbein he's the established #2 in Indy. And now maybe Manning has decided to groom him for Reggie's shoes when Wayne moves on. The signs are subtle, I admit! But I think that Garcon guy may have a pretty bright future.

Collie's a nice complementary piece - a slot guy who's savvy and solid enough to take advantage of the holes created by others. (And for my money that's the best long-term tell on players - what can they make happen on their own.) Not saying he won't have some good seasons, but I think his fortunes are a lot more subject to change and come with a much lower long-term ceiling than Garcon's if Garcon keeps developing.

IMO. YMMV. Reasonable people can disagree. And etc.

 
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Perhaps it's a coincidence, but since being involved with Manning's pregame work, Garcon has achieved a level of productivity that had been missing. He has had at least five catches in each of the past five games and had six for 93 yards and two touchdowns in the Colts' 30-28 win at Tennessee on Dec. 9.
The tree was Moore's creation, the true genius behind the Indy passing offense all along. I'm not saying Manning's a system QB, but the fact that it took him until midseason to bring Garcon into the loop probably doesn't speak well to his leadership ability.
 
I can't figure out why people are still banging the it's-someone-else-not-Garcon-in-Indy drum. Garcon can do things that no one else on the team can do. He can make the ridiculous one-hand grab 3' off the ground. He can break four tackles and rumble fifty yards. He can decleat linebackers. And despite the fact that he's a few months past 24 and not even three full seasons removed from playing football powers Marietta College and Otterbein he's the established #2 in Indy. And now maybe Manning has decided to groom him for Reggie's shoes when Wayne moves on. The signs are subtle, I admit! But I think that Garcon guy may have a pretty bright future.Collie's a nice complementary piece - a slot guy who's savvy and solid enough to take advantage of the holes created by others. (And for my money that's the best long-term tell on players - what can they make happen on their own.) Not saying he won't have some good seasons, but I think his fortunes are a lot more subject to change and come with a much lower long-term ceiling than Garcon's if Garcon keeps developing. IMO. YMMV. Reasonable people can disagree. And etc.
agreed - the piece is about Garcon and then someone HAS to jump in and compare him to Collie?? WHY??? they dont even play the same position . . .
 
Perhaps it's a coincidence, but since being involved with Manning's pregame work, Garcon has achieved a level of productivity that had been missing. He has had at least five catches in each of the past five games and had six for 93 yards and two touchdowns in the Colts' 30-28 win at Tennessee on Dec. 9.
The tree was Moore's creation, the true genius behind the Indy passing offense all along. I'm not saying Manning's a system QB, but the fact that it took him until midseason to bring Garcon into the loop probably doesn't speak well to his leadership ability.
wow fred - you are MUCH better than this . . .
 
Collie is better and would have better numbers if he was healthy all season.In his first 6 games:44 catches, 503 yards, 6 TD's.Projected over 16 games:117 catches, 1,340 yards, 16 TD's.
SHHHH - are you trying to let the other owners in my leagues know about this for 2011?
 
It's hard to believe this is an actual story. Seems like pure fluff. If any of them felt it would result in actual improvement on Garçon's game, they'd probably have invited him to join these sessions long ago.
Really? I think it's pretty significant seeing as how Peyton has only allowed two other WRs on the team to participate in this. Two. Ever. The drill seems to be for Peyton's benefit which is why he's allowed to select his company. Now that Wayne is on the downside of his career it will be interesting to see if Garcon can step up and become the go to #1 guy as I still think Peyton has a few good years left in him.
:lmao: You may well be right. Just seems goofy to me that he wouldn't invite other receivers to join in if it truly had a noticeable positive impact on their chemistry.
:lmao: I agree and I don't understand how excluding some (most) receivers can possibly be good for their development or the overall good of the team :lmao:
 
I can't figure out why people are still banging the it's-someone-else-not-Garcon-in-Indy drum. Garcon can do things that no one else on the team can do. He can make the ridiculous one-hand grab 3' off the ground. He can break four tackles and rumble fifty yards. He can decleat linebackers. And despite the fact that he's a few months past 24 and not even three full seasons removed from playing football powers Marietta College and Otterbein he's the established #2 in Indy. And now maybe Manning has decided to groom him for Reggie's shoes when Wayne moves on. The signs are subtle, I admit! But I think that Garcon guy may have a pretty bright future.Collie's a nice complementary piece - a slot guy who's savvy and solid enough to take advantage of the holes created by others. (And for my money that's the best long-term tell on players - what can they make happen on their own.) Not saying he won't have some good seasons, but I think his fortunes are a lot more subject to change and come with a much lower long-term ceiling than Garcon's if Garcon keeps developing. IMO. YMMV. Reasonable people can disagree. And etc.
very well put.
 
I can't figure out why people are still banging the it's-someone-else-not-Garcon-in-Indy drum. Garcon can do things that no one else on the team can do. He can make the ridiculous one-hand grab 3' off the ground. He can break four tackles and rumble fifty yards. He can decleat linebackers. And despite the fact that he's a few months past 24 and not even three full seasons removed from playing football powers Marietta College and Otterbein he's the established #2 in Indy. And now maybe Manning has decided to groom him for Reggie's shoes when Wayne moves on. The signs are subtle, I admit! But I think that Garcon guy may have a pretty bright future.Collie's a nice complementary piece - a slot guy who's savvy and solid enough to take advantage of the holes created by others. (And for my money that's the best long-term tell on players - what can they make happen on their own.) Not saying he won't have some good seasons, but I think his fortunes are a lot more subject to change and come with a much lower long-term ceiling than Garcon's if Garcon keeps developing. IMO. YMMV. Reasonable people can disagree. And etc.
very well put.
 
Perhaps it's a coincidence, but since being involved with Manning's pregame work, Garcon has achieved a level of productivity that had been missing. He has had at least five catches in each of the past five games and had six for 93 yards and two touchdowns in the Colts' 30-28 win at Tennessee on Dec. 9.
The tree was Moore's creation, the true genius behind the Indy passing offense all along. I'm not saying Manning's a system QB, but the fact that it took him until midseason to bring Garcon into the loop probably doesn't speak well to his leadership ability.
Really bostonfred? Bias much? Wouldn't have anything to with your love for 'bostonQB' would it? You wanna bring up questionable leadership? You wanna bring up a 'system' QB? I just did... It's Brady. You forgetting spygate? How smug are you? I'm not saying Brady wouldn't have EVENTUALLY won championships in that Belicheat system but KNOWING what the D is running and being able to call their blitzes AFTER halftime sure helps. Can't stand it when stuff like that gets swept under the rug. Tom led crooks... cheats...and yeah I'm biased too cause ur dang team KILLS my dang team everytime.... here's wishing the broncos (not this yr) or chargers would meet and beat the Pats in the Playoffs cause Lord knows they have the Steelers' number. The Steelers, however, have the chargers and broncos number so I'd like them to do the heavy lifting and then sit back and watch Pittsburgh win #7
 
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The tree was Moore's creation, the true genius behind the Indy passing offense all along. I'm not saying Manning's a system QB, but the fact that it took him until midseason to bring Garcon into the loop probably doesn't speak well to his leadership ability.
Stop being ridiculous. Please.
 
The tree was Moore's creation, the true genius behind the Indy passing offense all along. I'm not saying Manning's a system QB, but the fact that it took him until midseason to bring Garcon into the loop probably doesn't speak well to his leadership ability.
Stop being ridiculous. Please.
I was actually hoping you'd chime in. This post was an homage to you, specifically. It is exactly how you sound every time you talk about Brady being a system QB.
 
The tree was Moore's creation, the true genius behind the Indy passing offense all along. I'm not saying Manning's a system QB, but the fact that it took him until midseason to bring Garcon into the loop probably doesn't speak well to his leadership ability.
Stop being ridiculous. Please.
I was actually hoping you'd chime in. This post was an homage to you, specifically. It is exactly how you sound every time you talk about Brady being a system QB.
Wow... the trap springs closed! :goodposting:
 

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