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manning, favre, rodgers, brees leading mvp race (1 Viewer)
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The Westin
Footballguy
I'd take Brees. The guy is always underrated. Could be the best QB in the league. He doesn't have any dominant offensive weeapons but the guy just gets it done....Colston and Shockey are good but not great. All the others listed above have very strong offensive weapons to lean on...Manning with Wayne, Favre with Peterson, Rodgers with Jennings/Driver. Just my opinion
Elvis Dumervil is a bad, bad man.
Edit: if 10 sacks in 7 games while spearheading arguably the biggest single-season defensive turnaround in NFL history isn't enough to get a defensive player on the MVP ballot, then we need to just make it official and rename it the "OOPoY award" (OTHER Offensive Player of the Year). Darren Sharper deserves some love, too.
Edit: if 10 sacks in 7 games while spearheading arguably the biggest single-season defensive turnaround in NFL history isn't enough to get a defensive player on the MVP ballot, then we need to just make it official and rename it the "OOPoY award" (OTHER Offensive Player of the Year). Darren Sharper deserves some love, too.
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The Westin
Footballguy
Excellent Point, completely overlooked that
Colston is as talented as Reggie Wayne and Greg Jennings. In fact, I'm not entirely convinced that either of those two WRs are among the 10 most talented WRs in the NFL today.ETA: In no particular order: Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Roddy White, Randy Moss, Steve Smith, Vincent Jackson, Chad Ochocinco, Desean Jackson, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin... not saying that all of these guys are necessarily more talented than Wayne, but it certainly wouldn't be a stretch.
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The Westin
Footballguy
I don't know about that. I think Wayne is on a different level. I've seen Brees make anyone who steps into that lineup at WR looks like a star. I think Colsten is good, don't get me wrong....I just think Brees makes him look great.
I edited my original post to include some names I'd take over Wayne.Also, like Peyton Manning hasn't made everyone who stepped into Indy look like a star, too? Anthony Gonzalez, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Dallas Clark... prior to that, Marvin Harrison, Brandon Stokley, Marcus Pollard...
The Westin
Footballguy
I guess we just gauge Wayne differently then. I think he's great and better than most you listed above. Both QB's are great, no doubt....i Just think has Brees done it with less
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
Colstons not great?What games have you been watching?
In the Colston threads I have made all the points...When he plays his stats are right there with the greats!
LOL, at Colston is not great! lmao
Oh and how well is Jennings doing this year?
I love how even tho he is a good ppr back, u put ADP as the wr weapon in Min, lol!
Do you watch football yourself, or just listen to what analysts say? Ohhh...Ur a big Merrill Hoge fan I get it!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Rodgers is not an MVP candidate IMHO, just hasn't come up that big despite his numbers in the 2 games against Favre...0-2 against Favre does not=MVP.
I can see those talking about Favre, especially since he is 40, and he has 16 TDs vs 3 Int, the Vikings must feel great as they finally have the QB position locked down. Favre is on pace for almost 4,000 yds and 32 TDs, those are MVP numbers for sure.
Manning is on pace for about the same numbers. He has a major reshuffle in terms of coaches, not many were touting the Colts as SB favorites this year and they still have a long way to go, but they might have the division wraped up by week 10-11 at the pace they are going.
Brees does not get enough love. NO would not be where they are without him, that's a fact.
I can see those talking about Favre, especially since he is 40, and he has 16 TDs vs 3 Int, the Vikings must feel great as they finally have the QB position locked down. Favre is on pace for almost 4,000 yds and 32 TDs, those are MVP numbers for sure.
Manning is on pace for about the same numbers. He has a major reshuffle in terms of coaches, not many were touting the Colts as SB favorites this year and they still have a long way to go, but they might have the division wraped up by week 10-11 at the pace they are going.
Brees does not get enough love. NO would not be where they are without him, that's a fact.
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
I like Brees for now. Manning and the Colts haven't really faced any elite teams yet. The four game stretch coming up Texans-Patriots-Ravens-Texans will be a good test for them.
Favre's on pace for 3850/32, and no way in hell are those MVP numbers. A QB has thrown for more yards 46 times since 2000 alone (an average of more than 5 a year), and while 32 TDs is rarer, it's still been done 14 times since 2000. Also, Manning's not on pace for the same numbers, unless you consider 5090/34 to be the same numbers as 3850/32. FWIW, Brees is on pace for 4530/37.I can't see Favre winning it unless Manning and Brees slack off considerably down the stretch.
Brees is the lead horse in this race. No talk of Big Ben as MVP?
djcolts
Footballguy
I think that if it is close between Brees and Peyton, Brees will win. And I won't complain one bit.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
How is Rodgers even in this discussion?
Schaub is a just as good of a candidate; similar numbers (2342 yards 16/7 100.5 rating to 1989 yards 14/2 110.4 for Rodgers), and the Texans have a better record 5-3 to 4-3; and you never hear Schaub and MVP in the same sentence.
Schaub is a just as good of a candidate; similar numbers (2342 yards 16/7 100.5 rating to 1989 yards 14/2 110.4 for Rodgers), and the Texans have a better record 5-3 to 4-3; and you never hear Schaub and MVP in the same sentence.
djcolts
Footballguy
It is hard to get excited about a candidate who's no better than 5th or 6th in the race - and that would exclude all defensive players.
djcolts
Footballguy
He's not. That was a homer pick.
The Westin
Footballguy
Calm down dude, did you cry while writing this?No I don't think Colston can be considered great yet. When he's in he's been good, but when he's out the offense doesn't skip a beat. And I credit Brees for that. Jennings isn't doing well stat-wise this year, and that's a reason I put Jennings/Driver. I think the combo of those two qualify as pretty good weapons.
And I put Peterson was not on there because of anything to do with receiving skills. Peterson is on there because every defense Favre goes up against gameplans to stop Peterson. So #1 - Favre benefits greatly from that and #2d I have a hard time voting a guy as MVP when he's not even the MVP of his own team.
My point was simply, Brees should be MVP because no matter who the hell the guy is throwing to he makes things happen. It doesn't matter if Colston is in or his primary receiver is Lance Moore. He still puts up points. My opinion is Reggie Wayne is better than Colston...I think there are many on here that would agree with that.
So calm down princess, not everyone has Colston's balls hanging from their chin quite like you do
Demian
Footballguy
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Manster
Footballguy
rodgers??? why is he in the mix? i guess cause you're a GB fan?
Tau837
Footballguy
at Rodgers being listed at all, much less ahead of Brees. Green Bay is 4-3, while the other 3 QBs are a combined 20-1. Rodgers is not even in the conversation at this point.That said, it's too early to have this discussion IMO. A lot will change over the next several weeks.
moleculo
Footballguy
without Favre, this is an 8-8 team that if it catches some breaks, they are 10-6...borderline playoff caliber. With Favre, they are quite possibly the best team in the NFC.I'm not saying the same isn't true for Brees/Manning because IMO it absolutely is; I'm just laying the case that Favre should be in the running for sure.
Tau837
Footballguy
I think it's a bit early to be using such hyperbole as the bolded. Lots of season left.Also, I think it is absolutely true that Peyton Manning's play has been more valuable to the Colts this season than Elvis Dumervil's play has been to the Broncos. Dumervil has 10 sacks but Manning has averaged 318 passing yards and more than 2 passing TDs per game. Frankly, it's not close IMO. And this example is why it's rare for a defensive player to win... it's typically not the case that the best defensive player makes the same or greater impact as the best offensive player.
ETA: I just used Manning as an example. I think both Brees and Favre should be in the discussion at this point, and I think both have been more valuable to their teams than Dumervil. And I think it's pretty obvious Brees has been more valuable than Sharper, so I wouldn't include him in the discussion.
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RBM
Footballguy
Manning or Brees, and that should be the only discussion.
Rodgers shouldnt be in the mix at all, on a 4-3 mediocre team. Peterson is the MVP of the Vikes, not Favre.
Other guy I could see getting in the mix is Roethlisberger. That is looking like probably the best division in the league, so if they win it and he continues to carry the offense, he might warrant some consideration.
Rodgers shouldnt be in the mix at all, on a 4-3 mediocre team. Peterson is the MVP of the Vikes, not Favre.
Other guy I could see getting in the mix is Roethlisberger. That is looking like probably the best division in the league, so if they win it and he continues to carry the offense, he might warrant some consideration.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Peyton and Brees are definitely 1a and 1b right now.
And while I am not a Dallas fan, Romo should be in the talk right now. He is having a great season despite not having Owens anymore and having a lot of injuries at RB.
And while I am not a Dallas fan, Romo should be in the talk right now. He is having a great season despite not having Owens anymore and having a lot of injuries at RB.
Manster
Footballguy
i wasnt gonna mention Romo, but it's wide open. the season is young. we'll see how things play out.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I presume you are talking NFL MVP here and not FF MVP - perhaps subtitle would help
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
if favre keeps this up and the viks go 13-3 or better he'll get the mvp or a split of it.
Tau837
Footballguy
I think your statement on Favre might be a bit strong. In 2007, he threw for 4155 yards and 28 TDs, with a 95.7 QB rating as the Packers went 13-3, and he was 2nd in MVP voting. Granted, he only got 1 vote as Brady got 49 of 50... but had Brady not had his historic season that year, there is a very strong chance Favre would have won. His numbers this year currently project to be better than in 2007... down on yardage but more TDs, fewer turnovers, better QB rating... and maybe a better record, too.My point is saying "no way in hell" seems a bit over the top.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Jackstraw
Footballguy
You have to give Rodgers some credit due to the fact he's putting up great numbers while basically running for his life.Just Win Baby said:at Rodgers being listed at all, much less ahead of Brees. Green Bay is 4-3, while the other 3 QBs are a combined 20-1. Rodgers is not even in the conversation at this point.That said, it's too early to have this discussion IMO. A lot will change over the next several weeks.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
And no running game whatsoever.You have to give Rodgers some credit due to the fact he's putting up great numbers while basically running for his life.Just Win Baby said:
I really like Rodgers, great QB. He is not however an MVP candidate as of now.And no running game whatsoever.You have to give Rodgers some credit due to the fact he's putting up great numbers while basically running for his life.Just Win Baby said:at Rodgers being listed at all, much less ahead of Brees. Green Bay is 4-3, while the other 3 QBs are a combined 20-1. Rodgers is not even in the conversation at this point.That said, it's too early to have this discussion IMO. A lot will change over the next several weeks.
SanAntonioHolmes
Footballguy
And why are we not giving Roethlisberger credit?You have to give Rodgers some credit due to the fact he's putting up great numbers while basically running for his life.Just Win Baby said:
Cawbird
Footballguy
I'm going to throw in a deep sleeper here for grins and giggles..............
Ray Rice
We only have AD on the MVP 'ballot' for RB, so I'm going to add Rice. He is getting the bulk of the carries right now and making things happen for that offense. If he continues to rack up the yardage and add some more TD's, I could see him making a case for MVP if Balt makes the playoffs with their tough remaining schedule.
Ray Rice
We only have AD on the MVP 'ballot' for RB, so I'm going to add Rice. He is getting the bulk of the carries right now and making things happen for that offense. If he continues to rack up the yardage and add some more TD's, I could see him making a case for MVP if Balt makes the playoffs with their tough remaining schedule.
Tau837
Footballguy
We're talking MVP here... no he doesn't get enough credit for these reasons you have cited that he deserves to be in the MVP discussion. It is really too early to have this discussion, however, so he could get himself into the discussion if he continues playing well and the Packers win most of the rest of their games.And no running game whatsoever.You have to give Rodgers some credit due to the fact he's putting up great numbers while basically running for his life.Just Win Baby said:
LOL, really? Grant is the top 10 running back in yards. You think New England has a running game? They would love to have Grant instead of the committee of washed up nobodies. I would bet Grant would beat out Addai (4.3 ypc vs. 3.3 ypc). OK, New Orleans has a running game, but it hasn't been healthy.And no running game whatsoever.You have to give Rodgers some credit due to the fact he's putting up great numbers while basically running for his life.Just Win Baby said:at Rodgers being listed at all, much less ahead of Brees. Green Bay is 4-3, while the other 3 QBs are a combined 20-1. Rodgers is not even in the conversation at this point.That said, it's too early to have this discussion IMO. A lot will change over the next several weeks.
Zow
Footballguy
Not sure why Rodgers is in the discussion when compared to the other guys (Rodgers has good numbers, but he isn't winning as much as the others), but it's a toss-up among Favre, Manning, and Brees. I don't see a wrong answer there. All 3 playing out of their minds and equally valuable to their teams.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
The Carolina Panthers defense finished last in the league in 2001. Jack Del Rio was hired as defensive coordinator to the Panthers in 2002, and the defense finished 2nd best in the league. That was a great turnaround, and what landed him a head coaching job at Jacksonville.
Comer
Footballguy
Brees and Manning are way way ahead of Raipestberger. I would go Manning slightly over Brees but,Farve 40 or not has been impressive.And why are we not giving Roethlisberger credit?You have to give Rodgers some credit due to the fact he's putting up great numbers while basically running for his life.Just Win Baby said:at Rodgers being listed at all, much less ahead of Brees. Green Bay is 4-3, while the other 3 QBs are a combined 20-1. Rodgers is not even in the conversation at this point.That said, it's too early to have this discussion IMO. A lot will change over the next several weeks.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
The guy was NFC offense player of the month, he's in the discussion.
omally
Footballguy
To go from last to second best within a season was amazing. They had a great mixture of young and old talent back then. They had Peppers, Rucker, Jenkins, Morgan, Witherspoon, Fields, Minter, Buckner, Grant, Cousin, Howard, McDaniel (I might be forgetting some). Most of those guys played the following season (2003) when they went to the Super Bowl. Mark Fields couldn't play though because he had cancer. Sam Mills who was the linebackers coach at the time also had cancer that year too.RIP Sam
For MVP at this point, I think it's close between Brees, Favre, and Manning.
Tau837
Footballguy
Not with a 4-3 record, when Peyton, Brees, and Favre all have great numbers and their teams are 20-1. A lot can change over the next several weeks, of course, but as of right now he is not in the discussion.
