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MANZIEL STARTS. OFFICIAL (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Soulfly3
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Thought experiment:
QB A (let's call him "Matt") throws for 250 yards, 2 TDs and no picks. A very solid performance in other words, the kind you'd be happy to get out of any QB short of a Rodgers / Peyton-level stud.
QB B (let's call him "Johnny") has a rough day, passing for only 160 yards and one TD, and throwing 2 INTs to boot. Oh, but he adds 60 yards on the ground and runs one in on a bootleg.
Guess what? In almost any league that doesn't award 6 points for passing TDs, Johnny and Matt finish within one or two fantasy points of each other. In some formats, Johnny actually outscores Matt.
If you're trusting your playoff life to a replacement-level caliber QB, one who can make plays with his legs is, oddly, a lower-risk play than a better passer who can't.
QB A (let's call him "Matt") throws for 250 yards, 2 TDs and no picks. A very solid performance in other words, the kind you'd be happy to get out of any QB short of a Rodgers / Peyton-level stud.
QB B (let's call him "Johnny") has a rough day, passing for only 160 yards and one TD, and throwing 2 INTs to boot. Oh, but he adds 60 yards on the ground and runs one in on a bootleg.
Guess what? In almost any league that doesn't award 6 points for passing TDs, Johnny and Matt finish within one or two fantasy points of each other. In some formats, Johnny actually outscores Matt.
If you're trusting your playoff life to a replacement-level caliber QB, one who can make plays with his legs is, oddly, a lower-risk play than a better passer who can't.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I think Johnny is going to have a good game. He will also likely throw an INT or 2. His rushing yards are going to make him a FF starter.
mikel0254
Footballguy
I've been going back and forth with Johnny or Sanchez. The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward Johnny. The upside is massive. Unfortunately so is the downside in his first start...
I've got to make the same choice. All the rankings say go with Sanchez but Johnny is playing a Cincinnati team weak against the run. I'm sure there will be a number of running plays planned for Johnny along with a few deep balls aimed at Gordon. Sanchez wasn't a world beater against Dallas last time. I'm still thinking about it but I may pull the trigger and go Johnny. 200yds passing w/1TD, 80yds rushing w/1TD. would be 25 pts in my scoring system. I'd take that.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Once Johnny starts using his legs (hopefully very early in the game), Gordon should find a little more room. I think we'll get at least one 50+ yard TD to Gordon this week. Add that to whatever else he does through the air and on the ground...and I see a definite QB1 this week.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yawn. Most of us already lost who played Gordon anyway.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Ended up winning by 2. Jordy gave me the scare of a lifetime tho, thought my opponent was gonna close a 29pt gap (nonPPR)
But now.... *bliss*
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Is he a safe bet to get at least 35 yds rushing?
Soulfly3
Footballguy
With coverage dropping back to cover Gordon and Cameron on deep routes, 35 seems a safe bet.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I read where Browns OC Kyle Shanahan is also scheming in some read-option to utilize Manziel's running capability so unless the kid gets hurt early I think 35 rushing yards is reasonably attainable.
Also did you see this?
Before Manziel the Browns Bengals game was only getting limited TV exposure but after the Manziel announcement the viewership was changed and now 200 million more Americans are going to have the Browns Bengals game.
Jeesh. I know the kid is popular but man this is insane.
Go to the link to see how the viewership map changed overnight:
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014-bengals-browns-week-15/2014/12/11/7378129/bengals-browns-broadcast-coverage-johnny-manziel-announcement
MAC_32
Footballguy
yea, but it's a six team league in which you can start up to four quarterbacks.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
The only way I start Manziel is if I'm tanking for a better pick in my dynasty league.
SanDawg
Footballguy
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I'm giving serious consideration to benching Russell Wilson for him. I got lucky last week and need a high ceiling play this week. My gut says Wilson won't need to do much to win and will be in cruise control.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I was coming on here to post the same dilemma. I have Wilson going aganst my opponent who has Brady, Gronk, Foster and Hikton as his best players. I'm most likely not going to play Julio even if he's active--I smell decoy. Add to this, I played Mason (and Rams D) last night and now I feel like a serious, serious underdog. Wilson's numbers are never good against SF although last time he seemed to close to throwing a couple more TDs. If I'm not mistaken though, Wilson has never had more than 35 rushing yards against them. So, yeah, panic is setting in and I'm considering JFF.chad in Indy said:
In another league where I'm not considered an underdog, I believe I'm rolling with Sanchez over both Wilson and Manziel.
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I'll third this Wilson vs Manziel dilemma. Crazy as it seems, I'm leaning Manziel right now. Agonizing.
ragnarok628
Footballguy
Considering Manziel over Rivers and Stafford. 
wormburner
Footballguy
Same options. Anybody else consider the possibility the 49ers bail on Harbaugh and start mailing it in? I'm still leaning Wilson at this point.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
GridironMenace
Footballguy
I'm considering Manziel over Stafford. It's looney tunes, I know, but the upside is harder to ignore.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
starting johnny over tebow, with confidence.
Han Solo
Footballguy
I have him penciled in as my first qb in my start 2 qb league. Had cam and Brady. Now have Johnny "football championship" with Brady. I think he could have a clunker but he also could be spectacular. Team I'm playing has Rodgers, Murray, lynch, foster, Maclin, Nelson...it is just a sick team. I need to swing for the fences and hope for some bad performances from his stars.
steelerfan1
Footballguy
not saying johnny is cam newton, but cincy did allow cam to have his only 100 yard rushing game of the season and with burfect out it does present opportunity for a mobile qb.
Tong Po
Footballguy
My gut prediction for Manziel today is that he's gonna hit Gordon on 1 long TD, but only throw for like 150-180 total yards and a couple of picks. But I also think he rushes for 75 yards and a score. All of which I think equates to a fairly solid fantasy day, depending on your scoring system.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
:X
Jack White
Footballguy
What's your favorite memory of the Johnny Football era?
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Okay, how about 90/0/3 with 30 rushing yards and a fumble?Mr. Retukes said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He looks just awful.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Sounds like they were counting down the days for two different reasons.Ignore Gordon.
If you're in tune to CLE sports, specifically the Browns, you're likely aware these two have been counting down the days until they started together.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Watching this game, the WRs have had multiple drops and the O-line has been mentally gone. Manziel not doing anything either but execution has been really bad
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see if the WRs are officially credited with "drops". Some of these passes are outside of the range of catchability.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
VA703
Footballguy
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
#2 is a perfect number for him. I'll think of him next time I leave something in the toilet. It'll probably be bigger than him.
