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No you pretty much don't if you want to go pro. The NFL doesn't really bring in players with no college experience. This isn't basketball.I missed the part where someone was holding a gun to the kids head forcing him to sign up. Dont likethe rules, you DO have a choice.Ok, there are rules............................ The rules are stupid and there is no logical reason to keep them.
I'm not defending him per se. I am saying it is ridiculous that the NCAA can make millions off his name but he can't. I am saying the guy who video taped the signings may have a legal problem depending on what state he was in.
Well, we probably don't know what you mean. Who constitutes "your" college team and how do you get the money out of the game? Eliminate scholarships and televising games?I'm not sure what's so funny.
That part doesn't get mentioned because it's irrelevant. Even the colleges aren't using it as part of their defense.I missed the part where someone was holding a gun to the kids head forcing him to sign up. Dont likethe rules, you DO have a choice.
Manziel isn't the story, except to people who can only deal with simple story lines. The rules are the story and they're not just being challenged on message boards by Yankee23 and roadkill and others, they're being challenged in federal court and plenty of legal analysts think the plaintiffs can win. JFF's situation just brings the conflict into the foreground, a conflict that's way more interesting to discuss than whether the Heisman Trophy winner is an idiot or not.
I've said for years that it's akin to organized crime. Only a matter of time until the conferences go their own way IMO, a loosely organized federation of awesomeness.
Ridiculous rules undermine the legitimacy of all your rules. These particular rules exist to serve a cartels interest in maintaining a monopoly that allows them to benefit from the work/talent of others without reasonable remuneration to those individuals.
the rules suck and should be changed
All his teammates will take solace in your thoughts as his autograph session ruins their season
Rules that restrain trade are not only ridiculous, they are illegal. But they aren't ruled illegal until a judges rules.
O'Bannon definitely does not have a slam dunk but it will be interesting to see the grounds upon which a judge would rule that the athletes can continue to be restricted in receiving ouside income. One analyst talked about the greater harm to others, like schools and fans, should the structure of college sports be negatively altered but it seems to me that the defendants would have a difficult time convincing the judge that that outcome is even inevitable.
Umm, they still have a choice Einstein. they may not like the consequences of said decision, but no one is forcing them to sign onNo you pretty much don't if you want to go pro. The NFL doesn't really bring in players with no college experience. This isn't basketball.I missed the part where someone was holding a gun to the kids head forcing him to sign up. Dont likethe rules, you DO have a choice.
I don't care about his teammates - actually, strike that - this is what they should do. The team should set up tables that run the length of the field, and invite sports memorabilia collectors and anyone else that wants to come in. Have all the players for the entire team sit at the table and simply sign anything put in front them of them for $1.00 per signature. The entire team. Let's see the NCAA suspend an entire team. And if they do, fine. Let's see Texas A&M go after the NCAA and use the SEC as the hammer behind them.
The burden is on the defendants to prove just that.
When in the 80's Oklahoma/Georgia defeated the NCAA in Supreme Court, securing every colleges' right to pursue their own free trade without restraint by the NCAA, for the very reason listed above, it was only a matter of time before the players would win the same argument for the exact same reasons.
So their choice is not to pursue their chosen profession or to sign an agreement that penalizes them financially? Is that their choice?Umm, they still have a choice Einstein. they may not like the consequences of said decision, but no one is forcing them to sign onNo you pretty much don't if you want to go pro. The NFL doesn't really bring in players with no college experience. This isn't basketball.I missed the part where someone was holding a gun to the kids head forcing him to sign up. Dont likethe rules, you DO have a choice.
Even if thy choose to sign, the contract is void and unenforceable unless it is reasonable. If the rules are stupid with no logical reason to keep them, then it's a tough argument to make to establish they are reasonable. If they are not reasonable then they are void and unenforceable. The fact that the player signed it is moot.Umm, they still have a choice Einstein. they may not like the consequences of said decision, but no one is forcing them to sign onNo you pretty much don't if you want to go pro. The NFL doesn't really bring in players with no college experience. This isn't basketball.I missed the part where someone was holding a gun to the kids head forcing him to sign up. Dont likethe rules, you DO have a choice.
I think that 90% of the public agrees that the rule is stupid. But not as stupid as he is for knowingly breaking it.
C'mon, Alabama kids. A real No. 1 team would lead the way by doing this. Use your status to strike a blow against The Man.
Seriously, how awesome would it be if all the headcoaches of the SEC held a joint press conference with a simple statement:
A statement not worthy of being a part of the discussion. I'm willing to be most of the people that support the NCAA here don't even know why the NCAA exists.
The NCAA was created at the request of the POTUS because numerous college students died (and the President's son broke his nose) playing this new form of rugby called "football".
Yeah it wouldn't change that much. Except that it would be way cooler.We kicked around the idea of what a super conference with unlimited booster support would look like two years ago, courtesy of Sinn Fein.
The schools most frequently mentioned form a list that looks pretty much like an average year's Top 25 to me.
I think that's true to some degree of every player that has violated the rules. No matter who does it, there are plenty of "NCAA football fans" who will naturally take the "serves him right" stance because he plays for the "other" team.roadkill1292 said:
Pretty much. Because college football as it stands right now has nothing to do with competative balance. There are 120 teams in the Div 1 eligible pool of teams that can play for the national championship. Except that, right off the bat, the national championship is limited to the power conferences, and maybe if one outlier team can be good for an extended period of time and get hot at the right time they may be able to be in the discussion long enough to be allowed to think about it. But if the team isn't in the power conferences, they pretty much have no chance.We kicked around the idea of what a super conference with unlimited booster support would look like two years ago, courtesy of Sinn Fein.
The schools most frequently mentioned form a list that looks pretty much like an average year's Top 25 to me.
Can't he just bet $10 million and then refuse to play?
What BS rules could they make? If the O'Bannon suit succeeds, then schools will not be able to restrict the individual marketing deals that athletes can make, regardless of other contracts -- like scholarships -- they may sign directly with the school. The gist of the suit is that schools are not allowed to restrict the normal and legal business practices of their scholarship athletes, practices that every other university student are free to engage in. So if the schools lose, what really is illegal?
Isn't the current rulebook full of dumb things like you can only call a recruit on every other Tuesday when it's raining outside? Hell, signing day is a dumb rule. Let the kids sign whenever they want.
