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Marinelli = Lions coach (1 Viewer)
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Shermanator
Footballguy
Marawho?
B Maverick
Footballguy
Marinelli spent the past 10 seasons in Tampa Bay as defensive line coach. His unit helped establish an NFL record with 69 straight games with at least one sack from 1999 to 2003. He had the title of assistant head coach added in 2002.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Anything's better than Haslett.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
So what's the standard rule of thumb?? When a defensive-minded coach is hired, the offense will be conservative?? QB - 
RB - 
WR - TE - 
RB - WR - TE - 
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Because the results with Duece were so terrible?
SofaKings.
Footballguy
A defensive coach. That will certainly help the offense. Bye Chuck Rogers.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I must admit I'm really impressed with the hirings thus far. While some of these guys will inevitably fail [some on their own failings, others due to circumstance], the GMs have all [to date] universally gone with young new faces in the hopes of finding greatness versus settling for someone they know is "safe."
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Cappy,The Bucs are used to losing position coaches [Herm, Lovie, etc...] but have had Monte Kiffin as the key underpinning and constant. With Kiffin remaining, how would you rate the significance of losing Marinelli and your DB coach [to Minnesota] in the same year? Any idea of who they'll replace them with?
Woodrow
My thought exactly. Haslett hurt Deuce?JBecause the results with Duece were so terrible?
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Hi Jason,Can you expound on that?
That seems to me to be the conventional wisdom with everyone. Greenberg loving Mangini this morning saying he'd rather have the devil he doesn't know than the devil he does.
It's like the love hot rookies get every year to me. I fell for it with Spurrier.
I'm sure some of these guys will do fine. I don't think any of the former head coaches out there are the next Belichick but I don't know that a Bill Belichick type story isn't out there as well with a guy that has experience already.
Why do you applaud the new face so strong?
J
Capella
Footballguy
Tomlin isn't as significant as Marinelli -- out of all the recent departures, I'd rate him the least important after Lovie, Herm and Rod (not in that order). He's been on the job for a few years, but it's an experienced defensive backfield. Always has been.From everything I've seen/read over the years, Marinelli is going to be incredibly hard to replace. Look at that D-line every year -- no matter who they stick in there, they get production. Chris Hovan has said Marinelli was the reason he came here, and was the reason why he had such a great year. Many players have expressed the same sentiment.
He's been courted for a coordinator job for years, but the Bucs have blocked him. They knew they were going to lose him eventually, guess now is the time.
No idea who'll they will replace these guys with. And it will be tough to fill two spots. In similar news, they blocked a team from interviewing Joe Barry (linebackers coach) for a coordinator spot. Rumor has it he may pick up the Dline duties Rod leaves behind.
Not sure who else they'll look for.
I just hope he is up for the most difficult coaching task in his life. I've been watching this Lions organization literally- suck the life blood out of those who have tried before. The streak of "NO" head coach ever going on from the Lions to be a Head coach again is still intact... Marinelli better understand what he is up against.
Capella
Footballguy
One other thing -- people talk about the Belichek/Parcells 'family tree' and with good reason -- but the Dungy/Kiffin "Tampa 2" branch is starting to extend out pretty far.Kiffin-Tampa D guruDungy-Indy HCMarinelli-Detroit HCHerm-KC HCLovie-Chi HCTomlin-Minny DCThat's four head coaches and two DC's. Pretty solid.
Hi Shonuf,Can you expound on that please? Thanks.Yes...actually he did.My thought exactly. Haslett hurt Deuce?JBecause the results with Duece were so terrible?
J
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Not saying this - or any HC job - is easy, but I think following a SB champ, or even a consistent winner (Hi Packers) would be a much more difficult task.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hey Joe,As you know, I follow the coaching carousel fairly intently [and write the stuff up for the site
] and I've long felt that GMs too often take the "safe" route rather than hiring the guy that most impresses them. Obviously my own experience as an Eagles fan colors my viewpoint here. Andy Reid had never been an NFL coordinator or head coach, but the Eagles chose him as head coach over a list of much more mature coaches. Lurie said Reid just blew him away with his level of professionalism, preparedness and organization. Lurie got SHREDDED for the hire, but obviously five division titles, five 11 win seasons and a SB trip later, people recognize it was the right move.I believe wholeheartedly that when a GM hires a first-time coach the onus becomes squarely on him, especially when it's not their first hire. So for guys like Bradway [replacing Herm] and Millen [replacing Marty Morhinweg and Mooch], they HAD to get these hires right. IT would've been a LOT easier to hire an established veteran [like a Jim Fassel or Wade Phillips] who were available and were former head coaches and justify that move. With the young guys, it could be a DISASTER. You're probably not going to get a disaster by hiring Martz or Fassel or Phillips.
But the upshot is you could also be hiring a truly great mind. There's no formula, but I've no doubt the success of Reid, John Fox, Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith and Jon Gruden has GMs willing to take chances on young minds now more than ever.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Personally, I think this is a good hire. I wanted Marinelli or Singletary to be the next head coach. I am loving all that I hear and read about Marinelli. This may be a step in the right direction.
Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
Note to Mike, Roy, Charles: the honeymoon is over. Report to boot camp at 5 a.m. sharp. Bring a barf bag. Maybe two--signed, your new HC.
Thanks Jason. You write for the site?.... Good thoughts and I agree wholeheartedly with the risk factor. And for sure I don't disagree if a guy is incredible in the interview. I just see lots of the thing with Greenberg with people wanting anyone but the guy they've got. Change for change's sake.Hey Joe,As you know, I follow the coaching carousel fairly intently [and write the stuff up for the site
I believe wholeheartedly that when a GM hires a first-time coach the onus becomes squarely on him, especially when it's not their first hire. So for guys like Bradway [replacing Herm] and Millen [replacing Marty Morhinweg and Mooch], they HAD to get these hires right. IT would've been a LOT easier to hire an established veteran [like a Jim Fassel or Wade Phillips] who were available and were former head coaches and justify that move. With the young guys, it could be a DISASTER. You're probably not going to get a disaster by hiring Martz or Fassel or Phillips.
But the upshot is you could also be hiring a truly great mind. There's no formula, but I've no doubt the success of Reid, John Fox, Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith and Jon Gruden has GMs willing to take chances on young minds now more than ever.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I wonder a little about a guy as old as Marinelli that's never been a HC before at any level. One thing for Reid, that was due. Another for a guy that's been around that long. I hope he does well.
J
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also I feel, it gives Millen another 2 to 3 years, for his coach to get "seasoned"Thanks Jason. You write for the site?.... Good thoughts and I agree wholeheartedly with the risk factor. And for sure I don't disagree if a guy is incredible in the interview. I just see lots of the thing with Greenberg with people wanting anyone but the guy they've got. Change for change's sake.Hey Joe,As you know, I follow the coaching carousel fairly intently [and write the stuff up for the site
I believe wholeheartedly that when a GM hires a first-time coach the onus becomes squarely on him, especially when it's not their first hire. So for guys like Bradway [replacing Herm] and Millen [replacing Marty Morhinweg and Mooch], they HAD to get these hires right. IT would've been a LOT easier to hire an established veteran [like a Jim Fassel or Wade Phillips] who were available and were former head coaches and justify that move. With the young guys, it could be a DISASTER. You're probably not going to get a disaster by hiring Martz or Fassel or Phillips.
But the upshot is you could also be hiring a truly great mind. There's no formula, but I've no doubt the success of Reid, John Fox, Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith and Jon Gruden has GMs willing to take chances on young minds now more than ever.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I wonder a little about a guy as old as Marinelli that's never been a HC before at any level. One thing for Reid, that was due. Another for a guy that's been around that long. I hope he does well.
J
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Greeny is intolerable so I'll agree with you there. Greeny is simply projecting man-love for Mangini because he's a Belichick disciple.But as history has shown us, a handful of Belichick coaches are going to end up fair to middling as head coaches. The Bill Walsh tree had its Morhinweg's. So if you presume Nick Saban is a proven stud, Charlie Weis is the real deal, Kirk Ferentz is well regarded, Pat Hill has done a nice job at Fresno...chances are someone [or two] from the tree will be an outright failure. Personally, of all the hires thus far, I'm most circumspect on Mangini and Payton. With Payton, I just haven't seen enough from him to project his being good...that's not to say he won't be, but I just get nervous about a guy who's known primarily as an offensive mind who got play-calling duties taken from him in New York and Dallas [bill took back final play calling say in 2005].Thanks Jason. You write for the site?.... Good thoughts and I agree wholeheartedly with the risk factor. And for sure I don't disagree if a guy is incredible in the interview. I just see lots of the thing with Greenberg with people wanting anyone but the guy they've got. Change for change's sake.Hey Joe,As you know, I follow the coaching carousel fairly intently [and write the stuff up for the site
I believe wholeheartedly that when a GM hires a first-time coach the onus becomes squarely on him, especially when it's not their first hire. So for guys like Bradway [replacing Herm] and Millen [replacing Marty Morhinweg and Mooch], they HAD to get these hires right. IT would've been a LOT easier to hire an established veteran [like a Jim Fassel or Wade Phillips] who were available and were former head coaches and justify that move. With the young guys, it could be a DISASTER. You're probably not going to get a disaster by hiring Martz or Fassel or Phillips.
But the upshot is you could also be hiring a truly great mind. There's no formula, but I've no doubt the success of Reid, John Fox, Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith and Jon Gruden has GMs willing to take chances on young minds now more than ever.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I wonder a little about a guy as old as Marinelli that's never been a HC before at any level. One thing for Reid, that was due. Another for a guy that's been around that long. I hope he does well.
J
As to Mangini, I watched the entire Jets interview and heard him on the radio commuting home and was REALLY nonplussed. Now, to be fair, Bill Belichick is a terrible interview, and so is Andy Reid so maybe that's a good sign. But Mangini was a walking cliche and I SERIOUSLY doubt he'll be able to hire really talented staff given his age and where he's coming from. I don't doubt Mangini as a defensive mind, let's not forget both Romeo Crennel and Nick Saban wanted Manging as their defensive coordinator last year, however, I do wonder how he'll get a staff put together in New York with the Pats, Dolphins, Browns and Notre Dame also gobbling up minds from the same coaching tree.
That's probably a good point, none. As long as Millen has "those" pictures of whoever it is they're of, he'll be ok though.Jalso I feel, it gives Millen another 2 to 3 years, for his coach to get "seasoned"Thanks Jason. You write for the site?.... Good thoughts and I agree wholeheartedly with the risk factor. And for sure I don't disagree if a guy is incredible in the interview. I just see lots of the thing with Greenberg with people wanting anyone but the guy they've got. Change for change's sake.Hey Joe,As you know, I follow the coaching carousel fairly intently [and write the stuff up for the site
I believe wholeheartedly that when a GM hires a first-time coach the onus becomes squarely on him, especially when it's not their first hire. So for guys like Bradway [replacing Herm] and Millen [replacing Marty Morhinweg and Mooch], they HAD to get these hires right. IT would've been a LOT easier to hire an established veteran [like a Jim Fassel or Wade Phillips] who were available and were former head coaches and justify that move. With the young guys, it could be a DISASTER. You're probably not going to get a disaster by hiring Martz or Fassel or Phillips.
But the upshot is you could also be hiring a truly great mind. There's no formula, but I've no doubt the success of Reid, John Fox, Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith and Jon Gruden has GMs willing to take chances on young minds now more than ever.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I wonder a little about a guy as old as Marinelli that's never been a HC before at any level. One thing for Reid, that was due. Another for a guy that's been around that long. I hope he does well.
J
i remember hearing about those...those are the pictures Wayne Fontes left in the desk....That's probably a good point, none. As long as Millen has "those" pictures of whoever it is they're of, he'll be ok though.Jalso I feel, it gives Millen another 2 to 3 years, for his coach to get "seasoned"Thanks Jason. You write for the site?.... Good thoughts and I agree wholeheartedly with the risk factor. And for sure I don't disagree if a guy is incredible in the interview. I just see lots of the thing with Greenberg with people wanting anyone but the guy they've got. Change for change's sake.Hey Joe,As you know, I follow the coaching carousel fairly intently [and write the stuff up for the site
I believe wholeheartedly that when a GM hires a first-time coach the onus becomes squarely on him, especially when it's not their first hire. So for guys like Bradway [replacing Herm] and Millen [replacing Marty Morhinweg and Mooch], they HAD to get these hires right. IT would've been a LOT easier to hire an established veteran [like a Jim Fassel or Wade Phillips] who were available and were former head coaches and justify that move. With the young guys, it could be a DISASTER. You're probably not going to get a disaster by hiring Martz or Fassel or Phillips.
But the upshot is you could also be hiring a truly great mind. There's no formula, but I've no doubt the success of Reid, John Fox, Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith and Jon Gruden has GMs willing to take chances on young minds now more than ever.
It'll be interesting to see how it goes. I wonder a little about a guy as old as Marinelli that's never been a HC before at any level. One thing for Reid, that was due. Another for a guy that's been around that long. I hope he does well.
J
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Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
Wayne Fontes actually made it to the NFC championship game and took the Lions to the playoffs 5 times. Not sure why he gets smacked around so much.
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Marinelli may not be the last Bucs assistant to leave. LB coach Joe Barry (Marinellis son-in-law) said he expects Marinelli and the Lions to ask the Bucs for permission to speak to him about their defensive coordinator's job.The Arizona Cardinals sought to interview Barry for their defensive coordinator opening a year ago, and the Packers recently asked the Bucs for permission to speak to Barry about their vacant coordinator job.Barry, who has a year left on his contract, was denied the opportunity to interview for both positions, but he said he hopes the Bucs will allow him to speak with the Lions."It would be nice if they [the Bucs] looked at it differently this time," Barry said. "It'd be great, because Rod and I have always talked about working together, him as head coach and me as his coordinator. I'm keeping my fingers crossed."
gump
Footballguy
I can give you a description straight from an employee of the Bucs who went to practices:Rod is a complete HARD ###! His coaching style is an in-your-face combo of screaming at you and teaching you at the same time. He is completely relentless with his yelling/teaching, and could be heard over everyone else on the field.
And when I say "in-your-face", I mean literally 6 inches from your face.
Considering the egos these players have now, and the money they make, for a guy to be that big of a screamer and still be BELOVED by the players he coached says very good things, IMO.
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