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Marion Barber = Joseph Addai (1 Viewer)

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Both were committee RBs in college.

Both have had injury issues affect their performance.

Both had their teams draft an RB to share time with them in the first round (who have injury issues as well).

Both have career YPC in the low 4's (4.1, 4.3)

Both average 7-8 rushing TDs per season.

Both are good blockers and receivers.

Differences:

Barber plays behind a great run blocking OL in a good offense.

Addai plays behind a horrible OL in a good offense.

Barber has never rushed for 1,000 yards (in 4 seasons), Addai has twice (in 3 seasons).

So, why is it everyone on this board expects Brown to take the job away from Addai, but any suggestion that Barber will lose the starting role is scoffed at? Cerainly it's not stats...

Note: I'm not arguing Addai > Barber, or vice versa... rather that their situations are so similar, and yet they are viewed so differently... there's this board wide hatred for Addai, and love for Barber. Why?

 
Felix Jones = Leon Washington; I was going to say John Avery, but that may been much of a stretch.

Both are fast

Both play in RBBC

Both tend to get dinged up

Now why people think Shonn Greene is the Jets RB of the future, but Choice is not in Dallas (when considering Jones) is just baffling to me.

 
i'm not sure how the Indy OL is horrible?? maybe we can't judge their run blocking abilities by their pass blocking abilities, but how many times has manning been sacked this season? using that to judge i'd say they're the best.

 
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werdnoynek said:
i'm not sure how the Indy OL is horrible?? maybe we can't judge their run blocking abilities by their pass blocking abilities, but how many times has manning been sacked this season? using that to judge i'd say they're the best.
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run blocking and pass blocking are polar opposites as far as OL blocking goes. As far as the Colts go in this regard, you can see a few articles:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/267298-...erious-problems

http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/10/30/110...-questions-with

NN: Donald Brown seems to be making a bigger impact in the rushing attack than Joseph Addai. Is he on his way to becoming the #1 guy, or is it likely to stick as a 2-person running back by committee?

SB: Looks are deceiving, and no. He isn't going to replace Addai. Donald Brown is an electric back with some serious speed. We haven't seen breakaway running like Brown's since the days of Marshall Faulk. As wonderful and awesome as Edgerrin James and Dominic Rhodes were, they never had great breakaway speed. Brown has that.

What Brown doesn't have is durability, nor does he have that sense to "feel" his way through traffic. Edge, Rhodes, and Addai are masters of that. This season, with an offensive line that has been very spotty in terms of run blocking, Addai has had to fight for more yards. He's done all the tough running. Addai ahs also been outstanding in pass block blitz pick-up and cathcing the ball out of the backfield. Brown still isn't there in those things yet.

What I do see is that the two work very well as a tandem, which is why Brown was drafted. We say this a lot at Stampede Blue, because the numbers and the stats seem to back it up: The days of the 25-30 carry a game running back are over. Emmitt smith wouldn't last 16 games in today's NFL. Safeties are too big, too fast, and hit to hard for one back to carry an offense's load anymore. Teams absolutely must have two quality backs who split carries. Otherwise, one of the backs will wear down (example: Michael Turner with the Falcons).
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Interview article
Polian also on Monday discussed:

* The continued early-season development of the offensive line: "I think it helps to have continuity. It's probably in an area that we wished had performed a little bit better in terms of overall production over the four games. There is room to improve, but it is getting better. It was better Sunday – it was not consistent, but it was better Sunday in pass protection than it has been in a while. You can see the picture starting to come together. The run game still has a ways to go, but (Senior Offensive Line Coach) Howard (Mudd) is working on that. I know it will improve. The one thing about football is teams never stay the same. They either get better or they get worse. We have been getting better. The offensive line has been getting better over time. That curve is up and as long as they all stay healthy, it sort of accentuates that growth and accentuates that improvement. Hopefully, it will stay that way. As long as we can stay fairly healthy and stay consistent and become more consistent than we've been, particularly in the running game, then we're going to be a better football team. We're going to get better as the season goes on and we'll have a better chance to meet our standard of performance each week."
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switz said:
werdnoynek said:
i'm not sure how the Indy OL is horrible?? maybe we can't judge their run blocking abilities by their pass blocking abilities, but how many times has manning been sacked this season? using that to judge i'd say they're the best.
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run blocking and pass blocking are polar opposites as far as OL blocking goes. As far as the Colts go in this regard, you can see a few articles:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/267298-...erious-problems
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thanks for the info! i definitely stand corrected.
 
I don't know about anybody else, but I soured on Addai last season when I drafted him too high got burnt by it. I didn't know he was having much of a season until last week when I saw how good his PPR points are looking. (I think he was the #7 RB) He looks healthy, Brown is out for a couple of weeks (oh, the irony) and his QB & GM have consistently said positive things about'm.

I think people (myself included) who draft rookies pretty high get set on drinking the Kool-Aid until they get their return. Brown looks like he'll be in line to be a great back in Indy, just not in this year's committee.

Addai is fantasy football's Rodney Dangerfield.

 
In the last two years Barber has over 1200 total yards

The last 3 years he's had TD totals of 16,12, and 9

Aside from his rookie season and some injured games last year he averages around 4.8 yards/carry. In other words, when healthy, he's a PPG monster

Addai was fantastic in 07-08. Other than that year he's solid but not spectacular

 
switz said:
Similarities:

Both were committee RBs in college.

Both have had injury issues affect their performance.

Both had their teams draft an RB to share time with them in the first round (who have injury issues as well).

Both have career YPC in the low 4's (4.1, 4.3)

Both average 7-8 rushing TDs per season.

Both are good blockers and receivers.

Differences:

Barber plays behind a great run blocking OL in a good offense.

Addai plays behind a horrible OL in a good offense.

Barber has never rushed for 1,000 yards (in 4 seasons), Addai has twice (in 3 seasons).

So, why is it everyone on this board expects Brown to take the job away from Addai, but any suggestion that Barber will lose the starting role is scoffed at? Cerainly it's not stats...

Note: I'm not arguing Addai > Barber, or vice versa... rather that their situations are so similar, and yet they are viewed so differently... there's this board wide hatred for Addai, and love for Barber. Why?
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:thumbup: Most people tend to think this will be the Choice/Jones show next season
 
I could be wrong but I suspect if you offered Barber straight up, most Addai owners would take that trade in a heartbeat. On the flip side, if you offered Addai straight up, most Barber owners would reject that.

 
great. here is another way for switz to bait people in to express his manlove on felix.

its 2009 which is barber time

2010 most likely felix time

won't change no matter how many felix posts are out there.

 
Ditka is God said:
I could be wrong but I suspect if you offered Barber straight up, most Addai owners would take that trade in a heartbeat. On the flip side, if you offered Addai straight up, most Barber owners would reject that.
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I don't disagree, I just wonder why
bill bates hits hard said:
great. here is another way for switz to bait people in to express his manlove on felix.
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Nah, this isn't about Jones or Choice or Brown or Hart or..., rather the similarity in Addai and Barber's siuations, yet one is hated the other is lauded... :shrug:
 
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Ditka is God said:
I could be wrong but I suspect if you offered Barber straight up, most Addai owners would take that trade in a heartbeat. On the flip side, if you offered Addai straight up, most Barber owners would reject that.
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That may be true but that in no way means the players themselves are any different...just the perception of them.
 
I don't know Switz... Interesting. I was never high on Barber though. To me he is a guy that needs someone else... Maybe Addai does too?

 
the reason Barber is getting love a lot more than Addai (just a guess) is his running style. He's tough, hard nosed runner while Addai is soft. For some reason, I guess some folks think that he is more of a football player and toughness lead to better fantasy numbers....i dunno....

Felix 150 yds and 2 TDs vs. the seahawks. The Felix era begins this Sunday. :thumbup:

 
thehornet said:
Let's just start by saying they are nothing alike as running backs.
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not only that, but addai just looks much difference tahn he did a couple years ago. "he lost a step" is one of the most cliched assertions on this board but i think it really does apply in this case. addai is serviceable nfl rb. he is nothing like the exceptionally quick and powerful one cut back of a few years ago.
 
OK, i get your point. Barber was probably taken in the 2nd/early 3rd round this year, while Addai went much later, maybe in the 4th, 5th or 6th round. And so far, Addai has been much more consistent. In my league here's a look at their weekly points (PPR):

Week 1- 16.7 13.9
Week 2- 4.9 23.5
Week 3- 16.1 0
Week 4- 22.6 14.8
Week 5- 24 5.3
Week 6- bye bye
Week 7- 13.7 5.8Addai had 2 nice games, 3 average, and 1 stinker while Barber had 1 nice game, 2 average, and 2 stinkers, plus Barber missed a game to injury. So far Addai has been healthy IMO due to sharing time with Brown. Barber strained his quad in the one game he got 20 touches... other than that, every game has been less than 20 touches. Addai has had games of 23, 24, and 21 touches.

And that's pretty much where the things in Addai's favor end. As for running style, everyone knows Barber runs with more passion than Addai. He gives maximum effort, while Addai just sort of does his job. Both are good blockers and receivers. Here's the worst thing for Addai:

2006 4.8
2007 4.1
2008 3.5
2009 3.3Yards per carry declining significantly in every year. Is that a factor of decreasing run blocking ability of the OL? Possibly. But Donald Brown is averaging 4.6 ypc on about half as many touches as Addai.

Barber's TD totals have been declining for the past 3 years, but is that a factor of his ability decreasing? I don't think so, I would argue it's a factor of circumstance.

Maybe Barber's better treatment around here is due to the fact that 1) he gives more effort, so even when he doesn't score as many fantasy points, at least you know he's playing his heart out and 2) he was drafted higher and that has some residual effect. As an Addai owner in multiple leagues, I've been very happy with him this year, he's been a great RB3. As a Barber owner in 1 league, I'm pretty disappointed, he has NOT been a quality RB1/2, and because I have on my roster all THREE dallas running backs to cover him. serious waste of roster space.

 
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awesomeness said:
One of them can do plays like this. The other can't.

I'll leave it to switz to figure out which player falls into which of the above category.
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yeah that run was amazing. barber's contract/intensity/GL ability will have him opening and closing games for the foreseeable future.god knows what felix would have hurt on that run. :cry:

during week 2 against NY , barber looked unstoppable. he was running with speed , vision and bouncing runs ouitside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KszNK7s66HM

the guy got hurt taking a run to the house. he made a sick move on terrell thomas (giants #24) and fell. he ran like that all day. thats barber at his best. i know this was an Addai thread as well but seems like barber was getting questioned here.

 
bill bates hits hard said:
awesomeness said:
One of them can do plays like this. The other can't.

I'll leave it to switz to figure out which player falls into which of the above category.
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yeah that run was amazing. barber's contract/intensity/GL ability will have him opening and closing games for the foreseeable future.god knows what felix would have hurt on that run. :lmao:

during week 2 against NY , barber looked unstoppable. he was running with speed , vision and bouncing runs ouitside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KszNK7s66HM

the guy got hurt taking a run to the house. he made a sick move on terrell thomas (giants #24) and fell. he ran like that all day. thats barber at his best. i know this was an Addai thread as well but seems like barber was getting questioned here.
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Good job, you selected the 1 good game Barber has had this year. Other than week 2, he's been average to worse.They should really just put him back in the roll he had in 2006 and 2007. Play him exclusively at the goal line and in the 4th quarter. IMO it's a waste to play him in any other roll. Notice how this highlight is from the 4th quarter?

Felix and Choice can make 40 yard runs without pulling a quad (at least, usually, in the case of Felix).

 
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switz said:
Similarities:Both were committee RBs in college.Both have had injury issues affect their performance.Both had their teams draft an RB to share time with them in the first round (who have injury issues as well).Both have career YPC in the low 4's (4.1, 4.3)Both average 7-8 rushing TDs per season.Both are good blockers and receivers.Differences:Barber plays behind a great run blocking OL in a good offense.Addai plays behind a horrible OL in a good offense.Barber has never rushed for 1,000 yards (in 4 seasons), Addai has twice (in 3 seasons).So, why is it everyone on this board expects Brown to take the job away from Addai, but any suggestion that Barber will lose the starting role is scoffed at? Cerainly it's not stats...Note: I'm not arguing Addai > Barber, or vice versa... rather that their situations are so similar, and yet they are viewed so differently... there's this board wide hatred for Addai, and love for Barber. Why?
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the short answer is MB has been a TD machine in the past. he's now been battling injuries. Addai got the "soft" label by always being dinged up. he's now healthy and playing well. both guys need to be close to 100% to be effective, imo. what i mean by this is, neither guy is gonna run away from too many defenders, and when dinged up it really shows. they lose that wiggle that allows them to get into the 2nd level of defenders.both guys at 100% i'll take MB.as for the Cowboys backfield, i think it's becoming apparent that Choice is the guy that could be the every down back. MB and Felix have not proven they can stay on the field. having all 3 is a luxury, but if i had to choose 1, i think it's Choice. he just seems to have "it". i know it's been said before, hell i've said it before, but he reminds me of Emmitt.
 
Brown was drafted this year. Its like this every year with a RB. DWill was the guy last year everybody threw the towel on. They tried to throw the towel away on Mendenhall only in his second year. As dumb as bandwagoners are, I just see it as opportunity. I drafted Addai in the majority of my leagues this year.

As far as Barber its actually the same thing, only people were on the Barber wagon because Barber had just come off a big year. It will always be what have you done for me lately around here. The ability to actually judge a guys talent and situation based on now and the future will always be clouded by the past. Most people only look at yesterday and expect tommorrow to be exactly the same. Those of us actually able to look at a broader picture will always have the advantage.

Who cares what everybody else thinks? The more sheep that are following each other around, the easier it is for a hunter to find a meal.

 
switz said:
werdnoynek said:
i'm not sure how the Indy OL is horrible?? maybe we can't judge their run blocking abilities by their pass blocking abilities, but how many times has manning been sacked this season? using that to judge i'd say they're the best.
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run blocking and pass blocking are polar opposites as far as OL blocking goes. As far as the Colts go in this regard, you can see a few articles:
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I know sensationalism is fun and all (at least until someone dies a horrible and gruesome death!), but back in the land of reality, Indy's offensive line is far from horrible, even if judged strictly on run blocking. It's not fantastic, but it's not horrible. It's not in the same neighborhood as horrible. It's not even in the same STATE as horrible.Some objective statistics: Indy is 17th in the league in adjusted line yards (which is like yards per carry, except all long gains are counted as 10 yard gains under the assumption that that's more a result of the RB than the line). On 3rd or 4th down with 2 or fewer yards to go, Indy converts 77% of the time, good for 4th in the league. 22% of their runs go for no gain or a loss, which ranks 21st in the NFL.Also, run blocking and pass blocking are NOT polar opposites. They require different techniques, and some players are more suited for one than the other, but in the end it all comes down to blocking your man. Elite blockers tend to be better at their weaker blocking skill than poor blockers are at their better blocking skill. There isn't anyone in the league who is the best pass blocker and the worst run blocker, which is what you'd expect if they were truly POLAR OPPOSITES. Like I said, I know that sensationalism is fun, but if you overuse it, the terrorists win.As for the difference between Addai and Barber... it's simple. Barber is more talented. Yes, both played in an RBBC in college... but Barber is more talented. Yes, both have had injury issues... but Barber is more talented. Both are good blockers and receivers... but Barber is more talented. I think you can see where I'm going with this. Barber's been injured so far this year, which has really reduced his output. If I had to choose between Barber and Addai, though, I'd choose Barber... because he's more talented. Sometimes it really is that simple, regardless of what kind of offense he ran in college or whether his teammate has been injury prone. If you want a bit more substance... Barber's averaging 4.8 ypc this season. Addai's averaging 3.3. That pretty much sums it up.Also, despite your efforts to make it seem like Addai and Barber were comparable TD threats, I think most people can see through that. Barber averages a TD per 20.2 rushing attempts. Addai averages one for every 25.9 rushing attempts. Addai has scored 8, 15, and 7 TDs in the last 3 years (most of that time spent as the lead back). Barber has scored 16, 12, and 9 (most of that time spent as a 3rd down/short yardage RB). 16 > 15, 12 > 8, 9 > 7. Barber's worst TD season would rate as Addai's second best. That's another big difference, because even IF both guys are relegated to a timeshare role (and I don't buy it, because Barber's been PHENOMENAL this year while healthy, while Addai's been pretty bad- 4.8 ypc vs 3.3 ypc), then Barber holds more value because his timeshare role includes getting all of the TDs.
 
SSOG said:
switz said:
werdnoynek said:
i'm not sure how the Indy OL is horrible?? maybe we can't judge their run blocking abilities by their pass blocking abilities, but how many times has manning been sacked this season? using that to judge i'd say they're the best.
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run blocking and pass blocking are polar opposites as far as OL blocking goes. As far as the Colts go in this regard, you can see a few articles:
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I know sensationalism is fun and all (at least until someone dies a horrible and gruesome death!), but back in the land of reality, Indy's offensive line is far from horrible, even if judged strictly on run blocking. It's not fantastic, but it's not horrible. It's not in the same neighborhood as horrible. It's not even in the same STATE as horrible.Some objective statistics: Indy is 17th in the league in adjusted line yards (which is like yards per carry, except all long gains are counted as 10 yard gains under the assumption that that's more a result of the RB than the line). On 3rd or 4th down with 2 or fewer yards to go, Indy converts 77% of the time, good for 4th in the league. 22% of their runs go for no gain or a loss, which ranks 21st in the NFL.Also, run blocking and pass blocking are NOT polar opposites. They require different techniques, and some players are more suited for one than the other, but in the end it all comes down to blocking your man. Elite blockers tend to be better at their weaker blocking skill than poor blockers are at their better blocking skill. There isn't anyone in the league who is the best pass blocker and the worst run blocker, which is what you'd expect if they were truly POLAR OPPOSITES. Like I said, I know that sensationalism is fun, but if you overuse it, the terrorists win.As for the difference between Addai and Barber... it's simple. Barber is more talented. Yes, both played in an RBBC in college... but Barber is more talented. Yes, both have had injury issues... but Barber is more talented. Both are good blockers and receivers... but Barber is more talented. I think you can see where I'm going with this. Barber's been injured so far this year, which has really reduced his output. If I had to choose between Barber and Addai, though, I'd choose Barber... because he's more talented. Sometimes it really is that simple, regardless of what kind of offense he ran in college or whether his teammate has been injury prone. If you want a bit more substance... Barber's averaging 4.8 ypc this season. Addai's averaging 3.3. That pretty much sums it up.Also, despite your efforts to make it seem like Addai and Barber were comparable TD threats, I think most people can see through that. Barber averages a TD per 20.2 rushing attempts. Addai averages one for every 25.9 rushing attempts. Addai has scored 8, 15, and 7 TDs in the last 3 years (most of that time spent as the lead back). Barber has scored 16, 12, and 9 (most of that time spent as a 3rd down/short yardage RB). 16 > 15, 12 > 8, 9 > 7. Barber's worst TD season would rate as Addai's second best. That's another big difference, because even IF both guys are relegated to a timeshare role (and I don't buy it, because Barber's been PHENOMENAL this year while healthy, while Addai's been pretty bad- 4.8 ypc vs 3.3 ypc), then Barber holds more value because his timeshare role includes getting all of the TDs.
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Great analysis, SSOG. I agree with you.Why do you think Addai was a 1st round pick and Barber was a 4th rounder if Barber is so much talented ?
 
All kidding aside, I think Addai is closer to Karim Abdul-Jabbar than Barber. Like Karim, Addai does have a nose for the end zone, yet both are/were "3 yards and a cloud of dust"-type runners (and not in the good, Eddie George way either). While I see Barber as someone needing a complementary back to make him effective (like we are seeing with Jacobs now), I still see Barber as having much more potential to be dominant in a given game. Take that with the fact that Barber just runs harder (therefore opening up more opportunities for himself) and is not a bad pass catcher at all, I just see more from Barber. Maybe, this year, their situations are the same, but I think it is a 7 week coincidence more than anything else.

 
schurov said:
Great analysis, SSOG. I agree with you.Why do you think Addai was a 1st round pick and Barber was a 4th rounder if Barber is so much talented ?
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Are we really using draft position to judge talent? Teams never get it wrong who has talent coming out of college? Where was Brady drafted again? Maroney?I think Switz has an interesting question if you JUST look at this year. Addai is putting up a better FF year. But a RB is judged on his career. MBIII as others have pointed out has been the 'goto' guy in DAL for a while now... when they need tough yards or to run out the clock... he's the man. Addai hasn't been that guy. People see him as soft/fragile--for good reason. IMO if MBIII, Choice or F Jones were in IND--Addai would be the backup.
 
karmarooster said:
bill bates hits hard said:
awesomeness said:
One of them can do plays like this. The other can't.

I'll leave it to switz to figure out which player falls into which of the above category.
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yeah that run was amazing. barber's contract/intensity/GL ability will have him opening and closing games for the foreseeable future.god knows what felix would have hurt on that run. :lmao:

during week 2 against NY , barber looked unstoppable. he was running with speed , vision and bouncing runs ouitside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KszNK7s66HM

the guy got hurt taking a run to the house. he made a sick move on terrell thomas (giants #24) and fell. he ran like that all day. thats barber at his best. i know this was an Addai thread as well but seems like barber was getting questioned here.
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Good job, you selected the 1 good game Barber has had this year. Other than week 2, he's been average to worse.They should really just put him back in the roll he had in 2006 and 2007. Play him exclusively at the goal line and in the 4th quarter. IMO it's a waste to play him in any other roll. Notice how this highlight is from the 4th quarter?

Felix and Choice can make 40 yard runs without pulling a quad (at least, usually, in the case of Felix).
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point was, barber WHEN HEALTHY is by far the best back on the team. week one and two he was healthy and was very productive.
 
Brown was much more highly touted as a complete back. He comes accross as a guy that was drafted to be an "every down" back. Felix fills the "change of pace" role so well, it is very easy to see him staying in that role.... especailly considering how easy he seems to get hurt.

Maybe it's mostly perception, but sometimes perceptions is reality.

 
bill bates hits hard said:
karmarooster said:
bill bates hits hard said:
awesomeness said:
One of them can do plays like this. The other can't.

I'll leave it to switz to figure out which player falls into which of the above category.
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yeah that run was amazing. barber's contract/intensity/GL ability will have him opening and closing games for the foreseeable future.god knows what felix would have hurt on that run. :bag:

during week 2 against NY , barber looked unstoppable. he was running with speed , vision and bouncing runs ouitside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KszNK7s66HM

the guy got hurt taking a run to the house. he made a sick move on terrell thomas (giants #24) and fell. he ran like that all day. thats barber at his best. i know this was an Addai thread as well but seems like barber was getting questioned here.
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Good job, you selected the 1 good game Barber has had this year. Other than week 2, he's been average to worse.They should really just put him back in the roll he had in 2006 and 2007. Play him exclusively at the goal line and in the 4th quarter. IMO it's a waste to play him in any other roll. Notice how this highlight is from the 4th quarter?

Felix and Choice can make 40 yard runs without pulling a quad (at least, usually, in the case of Felix).
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point was, barber WHEN HEALTHY is by far the best back on the team. week one and two he was healthy and was very productive.
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I'll take a healthy Barber over Addai.
 
schurov said:
[Great analysis, SSOG. I agree with you.Why do you think Addai was a 1st round pick and Barber was a 4th rounder if Barber is so much talented ?
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I believe they were both rated as second round talents coming out of college. Barber slipped simply because that draft was extremely deep at RB. Addai went a little early because the Colts really needed a back and were drafted at the end of the first. The Colts were targetting Maroney.
 
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What can be expected of Barber this week against SEA?

With the backfield healthy, will he see enough touches to remain a productive fantasy starter?

I just acquired him in a trade and don't know what to expect with him coming off the thumb injury...

 
schurov said:
Great analysis, SSOG. I agree with you.Why do you think Addai was a 1st round pick and Barber was a 4th rounder if Barber is so much talented ?
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Because, as smart as front office guys are, sometimes they get it wrong. And because there's a lot about how an RB performs that can't be measured. There's no "effort" drill at the combine.Draft position is only relevant until you see the guy on the field- after that, actual production and "the eye test" trumps it.
 
SSOG said:
schurov said:
Great analysis, SSOG. I agree with you.Why do you think Addai was a 1st round pick and Barber was a 4th rounder if Barber is so much talented ?
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Because, as smart as front office guys are, sometimes they get it wrong. And because there's a lot about how an RB performs that can't be measured. There's no "effort" drill at the combine.Draft position is only relevant until you see the guy on the field- after that, actual production and "the eye test" trumps it.
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