Marion Barber vs Felix Jones (new insights now?) (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I was going to set up a poll but it is difficult to set it up without knowing what the actual question is.....

I was discussing with a couple of guys in my dynasty league today about Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber and said Felix is the type of RB that has a chance to be grouped in the very good RB's in the league while the best Barber can be is a bit better than average.

I even made reference to the point that Barber should be grouped in the class of the Rudi Johnsons and R. Grants of the world as opposed to being close to the very good RB's.

Barber has had the luxury of playing with a very good offensive line and had ample red zone opportunities that have allowed for a high td total. I think is fooling people into grading Barber as a better RB than he really is.

I think Barber is one of the best short yardage guys in the league and one of the toughest guys to tackle. He is also very strong and a very good blocker, those are a couple of things that I grade Barber at as being above average. He is an average pass catcher, and although he has caught some passes it was more due to his 3rd down role and as seen this year with that reduced role his receptions took a dip to 26. Therefore his 52 receptions 2 years ago although a solid number does nothing to prove to me that he is an abover average catching RB. He has average speed, average vision, average ypc, average yardage totals and to me he just screams average.

Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

I wanted to start fresh with this thread instead of reading through pages of other things written on these 2 guys.

What do you guys think? Switz bashing is not welcome and although he appears to be Felix biast he offers a lot of very good opinion and statistical reference in the Cowboys rb situation.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I even made reference to the point that Barber should be groped in the class of the Rudi Johnsons and R. Grants of the world than he is to being in a class of very good RB's.

I wouldn't try groping Barber. He'll kick the ever loving crap outta you. I like Felix better than Barber in the future. Felix could be a SOD next year in FF.

 

[Captain Hook]

I wouldn't grope Barber at all

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I even made reference to the point that Barber should be groped in the class of the Rudi Johnsons and R. Grants of the world than he is to being in a class of very good RB's.

I wouldn't try groping Barber. He'll kick the ever loving crap outta you. I like Felix better than Barber in the future. Felix could be a SOD next year in FF.

haha i never spell check unless i am writing an essay, i edited the grop to group though

 

[Ridgelake]

I think your analysis fits what I've seen watching every game the last few years. Felix can be special if given the opportunity and health. Barber has made a name for himself as the barbarian and all that implies. But he isnt as talented overall as Felix.

Dallas changed the way it rotates the backs during the year. Early, they would rotate series with Choice coming in on 3rd downs. Over roughly the last month or so, they've gone to switching in and out when they need a rest. Doesnt matter down, distance, series, whatever. And you've seen Felix get more and more offensive touches as a result.

In a recent press conference, Wade talked about how both guys shared touches in college. Both these guys work well in rotations like they've moved to. Wade mentioned that some guys in his past needed the series approach to be most effective. But Barber and Felix just go in and out as needed whenever. He talked about how it was also tougher on defenses to change mid-series as angles and speeds change, etc.

So I think you'll see roughly a 50/50 split in the playoffs. But I would not be at all surprised to see Felix "staying fresher longer" in the playoffs (Felix getting more touches) to take advantage of his explosiveness. There are several good runs that Barber has made that I think Felix would have taken to the house. Felix getting 2/3 of the touches in the playoffs is a real possibility.

 

[thevidon]

I was going to set up a poll but it is difficult to set it up without knowing what the actual question is.....I was discussing with a couple of guys in my dynasty league today about Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber and said Felix is the type of RB that has a chance to be grouped in the very good RB's in the league while the best Barber can be is a bit better than average.I even made reference to the point that Barber should be groped in the class of the Rudi Johnsons and R. Grants of the world than he is to being in a class of very good RB's.Barber has had the luxury of playing with a very good offensive line and had ample red zone opportunities that have allowed for a high td total that I think is fooling people into grading Barber as a better RB than he really is.I think Barber is one of the best short yardage guys in the league and one of the toughest guys to tackle. He is also very strong and a very good blocker, those are a couple of things that I grade Barber at as being above average. He is an average pass catcher, and although he has caught some passes it was more due to his 3rd down role and as seen this year with that reduced role his receptions took a dip to 26 Therefore his 52 receptions 2 years ago although a solid number does nothing to prove to me that he is an abover average catching RB. He has average speed, average vision, average ypc, average yardage totals and to me he just screams average.Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.I wanted to start fresh with this thread instead of reading through pages of other things written on these 2 guys. What do you guys think? Switz bashing is not welcome and although he appears to be Felix biast he offers a lot of very good opinion and statistical reference in the Cowboys rb situation.

I think Barber is a better overall RB than Felix Jones. I think Jones has a better shot of taking it to the house when he touches the ball however. If I were a coach faced with those RB's, I would have Jones carrying the ball between the 20's at least half the time. Anytime I'm near a goal line I am going to have Barber in 100% of the time.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

I'd put Felix up there if we were talking "talent level".

 

[fridayfrenzy]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

I'd put Felix up there if we were talking "talent level".

That is your opinion, but then why would such a currently talented RB only be given 135 touches in a season?Play counts for your reference....Barber - 519 = 34.6 per gameF. Jones - 232 = 16.5 per game

 

[switz]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber

Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.

On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?

Peterson

Chris Johnson

Steven Jackson

Jones-Drew

I can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber

Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.

On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?

Peterson

Chris Johnson

Steven Jackson

Jones-Drew

I can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

I could see putting Felix into the top ten but I disagree with you on Deangelo. I would probably place Deangelo in the top 3 for talent in the NFL.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

You lost me at the last 3

 

[Ridgelake]

That is your opinion, but then why would such a currently talented RB only be given 135 touches in a season?Play counts for your reference....Barber - 519 = 34.6 per gameF. Jones - 232 = 16.5 per game

What's been the play count for the last 4 games?

 

[finito]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber

Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.

On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?

Peterson

Chris Johnson

Steven Jackson

Jones-Drew

I can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

Jonathon Stewart and DeAngelo Williams aren't as talented as Felix Jones? Ray Rice "maybe"? Oof.

 

[switz]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

 

[switz]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber

Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.

On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?

Peterson

Chris Johnson

Steven Jackson

Jones-Drew

I can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

I could see putting Felix into the top ten but I disagree with you on Deangelo. I would probably place Deangelo in the top 3 for talent in the NFL.

Even when he was getting limited carries, DeAngelo has never managed the YPC Jones has so far in his career. DeAngelo also had Jonathon Stewart drafted to take touches away because the team wasn't fully convinced he was good enough to start. I think they're close, but I have Felix above.

 

[duece2626]

That is your opinion, but then why would such a currently talented RB only be given 135 touches in a season?Play counts for your reference....Barber - 519 = 34.6 per gameF. Jones - 232 = 16.5 per game

What's been the play count for the last 4 games?

Weeks 13-16Barber: 50, 42, 39, 41 = 172Jones: 20, 19, 27, 23 = 89

 

[Canadian Content]

Well, I own both Barber and Felix in dynasty and my opinion is that Felix is the superior talent but even though I'd like to deal M.Barber, I can't pull the trigger until I see Dallas recongnize that Felix should be getting more touches.....Long term = definately Felix.... currently = ????

 

[scrumptrulescent]

.....Felix Jones being a better talent than Barber

Barber is a a good Rb, probably in the 18-25 range of NFL RB's right now. Felix has the chance though to be a top 10 talent at his position. Something that Barber can never ever attain due to not having enough talent to get there.

You say Barber is in the 18-25 range of NFL RBs, but your opinion is that Felix Jones is more talented than Barber.You think Felix Jones is in the 1-17 range of the top NFL RBs right now?

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.

On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?

Peterson

Chris Johnson

Steven Jackson

Jones-Drew

I can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

I could see putting Felix into the top ten but I disagree with you on Deangelo. I would probably place Deangelo in the top 3 for talent in the NFL.

Even when he was getting limited carries, DeAngelo has never managed the YPC Jones has so far in his career. DeAngelo also had Jonathon Stewart drafted to take touches away because the team wasn't fully convinced he was good enough to start. I think they're close, but I have Felix above.

Is this some kind of selective stat joke? If you base your "talent" argument on YPC Felix Jones blows all the others you listed away. And Felix has had a whopping 146 carries in the NFL Career YPC:

Felix = 6.5

CJ = 5.3

Deangelo = 5.1

Peterson = 4.9

MJD = 4.7

S Jax = 4.3

S Jax is awful I guess.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Pretty obvious....beause DeWill wasn't as talented in his first year as he is now.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I can't stand the word talent, it's like the word potential. I like to deal in bottom line numbers.

Marion Barber isn't a great short yardage back anymore. He isn't nearly as hard to bring down anymore, I'm seeing more and more 1 arm tackles to bring this guy down.

Felix Jones has "potential" to be a very good back. He's never been the feature back in the NFL, so it's really hard to say. I like him in a 2 back system because it helps keep him fresh. Felix is healthy and fresh at the right time for the Cowboys, if they are going to make some noise in the playoffs, he'll be one of the guys that help them get there.

Basically, between the 2 guys, Barber is on the decline in his career and Felix is on the incline. Just how much each player is on those slopes is up for some debate.

 

[switz]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Pretty obvious....beause DeWill wasn't as talented in his first year as he is now.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Pretty obvious....beause DeWill wasn't as talented in his first year as he is now.

Good rebuttal

 

[switz]

I could see putting Felix into the top ten but I disagree with you on Deangelo. I would probably place Deangelo in the top 3 for talent in the NFL.

Even when he was getting limited carries, DeAngelo has never managed the YPC Jones has so far in his career. DeAngelo also had Jonathon Stewart drafted to take touches away because the team wasn't fully convinced he was good enough to start. I think they're close, but I have Felix above.

Is this some kind of selective stat joke? If you base your "talent" argument on YPC Felix Jones blows all the others you listed away.

It IS one measurable. It's not the only one, it was simply a point of reference. I won't argue with someone who has them ranked close in terms of talent, I have them ranked close in terms of talent, and I was way off base about DeAngelo earlier in his career. I would say they are both top-10 in terms of talent. But I don't see DeAngelo as a top-3, that's all.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Wrong. 154 touches his rookie season. 167 touches his second season. And the answer is John Fox. Wonder what his carries would have been if John Gruden were his coach?

 

[switz]

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Pretty obvious....beause DeWill wasn't as talented in his first year as he is now.

Good rebuttal

It's sorta like when you are in the middle of taking a drink of water, and someone says something so ridiculous, you instantaneously spit the water out all over and laugh. It's not the greatest rebuttal, but it's the most natural reaction.

 

[Bankerguy]

I can't read these threads anymore.

It's like groundhog day...It's like groundhog day.

 

[switz]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Wrong. 154 touches his rookie season. 167 touches his second season. And the answer is John Fox. Wonder what his carries would have been if John Gruden were his coach?

Yeah, I posted carries, not touches, my mistake. So, what if Felix' coach was John Gruden, not Philllips - well known as a player's coach who favors veterans.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Wrong. 154 touches his rookie season. 167 touches his second season. And the answer is John Fox. Wonder what his carries would have been if John Gruden were his coach?

Yeah, I posted carries, not touches, my mistake. So, what if Felix' coach was John Gruden, not Philllips - well known as a player's coach who favors veterans.

Don't know about Felix, but I've heard Gruden gush about Deangelo. Gruden beat the crap out of Cadillac in his rookie year. He'd have played Deangelo as a rookie.

 

[BespokeJort]

I think he answered that. I don't view durability as "talent", otherwise Steven Jackson is not very talented. I think put in that context, most have to agree.On pure talent, speed, quickness, vision, power - all combined, Felix is already top-10 in the NFL. Who would you put above him?PetersonChris JohnsonSteven JacksonJones-DrewI can't really see much of an argument for other RBs... Ray Rice? Maybe. Jonathon Stewart or DeAngelo Williams? Not quite, but close. I'm sure a few people have handful more they prefer, but I can't see a reasonable list of 9 more talented RBs than Felix playing in the NFL right now.

To name a few.....Gore, DeWill, Stewart, Ray Rice, R. Brown, Turner, Lynch, Jacobs, Bush etc.

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Wrong. 154 touches his rookie season. 167 touches his second season. And the answer is John Fox. Wonder what his carries would have been if John Gruden were his coach?

Yeah, I posted carries, not touches, my mistake. So, what if Felix' coach was John Gruden, not Philllips - well known as a player's coach who favors veterans.

I fail to see how that would have kept him from getting injured

 

[switz]

Any new thoughts after tonights game?

 

[LOCO]

3rd rounder next year in redraft

 

[RoyDubb]

Any new thoughts after tonights game?

as a Felix dynasty owner in 4 of 8 lgs,

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

In dynasty, patience is a virute.... The only thing that this will be bad for is anyone who was planning on getting Felix for cheap in redraft next year. I know one game does not make or break it for anyone. But it feels like it is only a matter of time before Felix is considered as one of the very good rb's in this league.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Any new thoughts after tonights game?

No......I still believe he's top 10 in talent level like I stated earlier in this thread Sure am glad I got him in my playoff draft. What a weapon.

 

[Mister CIA]

Using your own logic, if DeAngelo William is so talented why did he only get 121 touches his rookies season, or only 144 his second season?Please explain.

Pretty obvious he was saving his energy for a 20 TD season.

 

[Football Jones]

There was simply too much made of Felix's injuries & too much made of the current RBBC. Sure, he could get hurt on his first touch against the Vikings next week, but anybody can get hurt in this game (especially RBs). I'm just saying for a RB who was durable in college (albeit not as a feature back), & has never had a debilitating injury, there was WAY too much focus on the couple injuries he's had in the pros. He's also just 22 years old & his body likely isn't even done maturing yet.

As far as the RBBC, dynasty leagues are about patience with a guy like Felix. His talent will eventually trump any RBBC (meaning, I do expect him to be a feature back at some point). There's no reason a RB with his skills/size can't be a feature back. It's only a matter of time before Felix is one of the top RBs in FF, IMO.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Felix is just to good that the Cowboys continue to give this guy 15 plus touches. He is so dynamic and will continue to make that offense so much better if he continues to get 15-20 touches a game. In their biggest game of the year against one of their arch rivals, they turn Felix loose with 17 touches for 178 yards and a td, to help them get their first playoff win in ages.

 

[fruity pebbles]

If he can average 15 carries a game next year which i certainly think is doable, he is in store for some very good numbers. Probably inline for around 1500 total yards and 6-8 TDs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Any new thoughts after tonights game?

I don't think anyone has ever questioned his talent. Durability has been the issue with him thus far in his short NFL career, but he seems to be holding up lately with the increased workload, so kudos to him.

 

[PantherPower]

Felix is better than Barber. But if Barber would get a hair cut...all bets would be off.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I like how people take him having a good playoff game as if he just had a top 3 fantasy season and they're now vindicated and correct.

Don't get me wrong, I've been pretty high on Felix myself, but we've been teased by playoff performance that never translated into regular season FF success WAY too many times before for this to mean too much.

Plus, these Dallas RBs are kind of like the NFC East teams themselves, in that they kind of go in cycles as to who is the "hot" one that's forgotten the next month while someone else steps up.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The thing that seperates a guy like Felix from other RB's including a guy like Barber is not only his speed, but his abilit to use his speed in ways that make him dangerous on the football field. His acceleration to top end speed is ridiculous and his ability to cut and not lose speed is also a gift that many guys with speed don't have. If it was so easy to cut and not lose speed than we would see many track guys succeeding in the NFL. Watch this guys highlights from college and watch what he has done in the pros over the last 2 years. Even in the playoff game last night on his 73 yard run the cut he makes....he does not slow down as he blows by the first DB and then pulls away from A. Samuel even though Samuel looked like he had a descent angle to catch him.

 

[lyon812]

I like how people take him having a good playoff game as if he just had a top 3 fantasy season and they're now vindicated and correct.Don't get me wrong, I've been pretty high on Felix myself, but we've been teased by playoff performance that never translated into regular season FF success WAY too many times before for this to mean too much.Plus, these Dallas RBs are kind of like the NFC East teams themselves, in that they kind of go in cycles as to who is the "hot" one that's forgotten the next month while someone else steps up.

It's less hot and more healthy. Jones and Barber in particular have fought injuries all year. When all three RBs have been healthy at once, those two are the ones that have gotten the PT.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Up next will be a big test against Minny.... For Dallas to win this game I think Felix has to have a good game.

 

[switz]

Any new thoughts after tonights game?

I don't think anyone has ever questioned his talent.

Did you read the posts discussing him when he came into the league?He's fast but he's not very good, he's more of a track guy than an RB.He played in a gimmick offense, he'll never make it in the NFL. (Look at my sig BTW)He only had success because McFadden got all the attention.Yada yada yada, MANY people questioned his talent. Very few questioned his durability because he never had durability issues in college. The durability argument came AFTER his rookie season, this preseason.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Switz, I'm buying up bushels of crow this off-season, but I'll let you serve it. If anyone's ever earned the right to shove it back down folks' throat it's you re: Felix.

 

[Txns8]

After this playoff run, is Felix Jones the #1 back in Dallas for 2010? He clearly dominated the touches for the Dallas backfield and put up very good numbers. I realize Barber was banged up, but Felix looked like he could be the power back when necessary and still keep his quickness.

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[dickey moe]

After this playoff run, is Felix Jones the #1 back in Dallas for 2010? He clearly dominated the touches for the Dallas backfield and put up very good numbers. I realize Barber was banged up, but Felix looked like he could be the power back when necessary and still keep his quickness.I'll hang up and listen.

This may be true but it was damned frustrating they didn't get Felix more involved in the game today.