Mark Ingram, RB, New Orleans Saints (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

 

[Grahamburn]

Objection: Relevance.

 

[Sabertooth]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

 

[TheFanatic]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

That's great that you are so high on the guy. Doesn't make him a superstud in the NFL. Neither does his draft position or his Heisman. He still has to do it on the field. And yes, a great deal of the draft is luck and folly. Tom Brady drafted in the 6th, Jerry Rice wasn't a 1st rounder, etc., etc. I could go all day long on this. I like Ingram a ton myself, but I'm not anointing someone who has yet to even play a preseason game better than anyone in the league, much less a guy that dominated the league only last year. But if that's your thing, then by all means, run with it. And if you do, there's a kid playing tailback in my hometown that I'm pretty sure is better than Bo Jackson ever was. You'll see. Really shifty and fast, great vision, relentless worker, and actually has webbed fingers which gives him the best hands the NFL will ever know. Right now he's thinking of donating some of his unneeded organs to people that need them so he can be lighter and faster. The kid is committed and a can't miss HOFer in the NFL. I'm predicting NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and MVP in 2015. He's that special.

 

[nysportsfan]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

That's great that you are so high on the guy. Doesn't make him a superstud in the NFL. Neither does his draft position or his Heisman. He still has to do it on the field. And yes, a great deal of the draft is luck and folly. Tom Brady drafted in the 6th, Jerry Rice wasn't a 1st rounder, etc., etc. I could go all day long on this. I like Ingram a ton myself, but I'm not anointing someone who has yet to even play a preseason game better than anyone in the league, much less a guy that dominated the league only last year. But if that's your thing, then by all means, run with it. And if you do, there's a kid playing tailback in my hometown that I'm pretty sure is better than Bo Jackson ever was. You'll see. Really shifty and fast, great vision, relentless worker, and actually has webbed fingers which gives him the best hands the NFL will ever know. Right now he's thinking of donating some of his unneeded organs to people that need them so he can be lighter and faster. The kid is committed and a can't miss HOFer in the NFL. I'm predicting NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and MVP in 2015. He's that special.

Jerry was a first rounder, pick 16. Carry on.

 

[TheFanatic]

This guy sits in great position to break out big time this season. IMO Thomas is the mentor and breather guy only as long as reports are good about Ingram's blocking. His talent, style and track record are clearly a couple steps ahead of Pierre, which counts a lot more than the comparison with Arian the Barbarian.

I agree on all points... Great post...

 

[Sabertooth]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

That's great that you are so high on the guy. Doesn't make him a superstud in the NFL. Neither does his draft position or his Heisman. He still has to do it on the field. And yes, a great deal of the draft is luck and folly. Tom Brady drafted in the 6th, Jerry Rice wasn't a 1st rounder, etc., etc. I could go all day long on this. I like Ingram a ton myself, but I'm not anointing someone who has yet to even play a preseason game better than anyone in the league, much less a guy that dominated the league only last year. But if that's your thing, then by all means, run with it. And if you do, there's a kid playing tailback in my hometown that I'm pretty sure is better than Bo Jackson ever was. You'll see. Really shifty and fast, great vision, relentless worker, and actually has webbed fingers which gives him the best hands the NFL will ever know. Right now he's thinking of donating some of his unneeded organs to people that need them so he can be lighter and faster. The kid is committed and a can't miss HOFer in the NFL. I'm predicting NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and MVP in 2015. He's that special.

I agree with that. I'd also say that nothing Arian Foster did last year matters one lick. He's already dinged this year. So this year he's already behind where he was in camp last year. I don't play in any leagues that give points for past seasons. Is it an indicator? Sure, and about as strong as there is. However he's scored no more points than Brandon Jackson or Jerome Harrison this season.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sorry about derailing thread. Back to Ingram.

I'd say that 210 carries is reasonable here. With the amount of draws and the way coverages are forced to account for Brees, I think 4.7 ypc is reasonable. I do think his ability to fight through traffic and his bowling ball physique will make him a TD threat every game. I'm predicting 10. He can catch, but Sproles is there as well. I think 30 receptions is reasonable.

210 carries 987 yards

30 receptions 300 yards

10 total touchdowns

These tend to be on the low side for projections for me. That would put his stats just a shade above Fred Jackson from last season. Right in that RB15 area. I don't feel comfortable projecting him much lower than that.

 

[Getinthemix]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

That's great that you are so high on the guy. Doesn't make him a superstud in the NFL. Neither does his draft position or his Heisman. He still has to do it on the field. And yes, a great deal of the draft is luck and folly. Tom Brady drafted in the 6th, Jerry Rice wasn't a 1st rounder, etc., etc. I could go all day long on this. I like Ingram a ton myself, but I'm not anointing someone who has yet to even play a preseason game better than anyone in the league, much less a guy that dominated the league only last year. But if that's your thing, then by all means, run with it. And if you do, there's a kid playing tailback in my hometown that I'm pretty sure is better than Bo Jackson ever was. You'll see. Really shifty and fast, great vision, relentless worker, and actually has webbed fingers which gives him the best hands the NFL will ever know. Right now he's thinking of donating some of his unneeded organs to people that need them so he can be lighter and faster. The kid is committed and a can't miss HOFer in the NFL. I'm predicting NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and MVP in 2015. He's that special.

If you are going to go on all day long, could you at least bring facts?

 

[Sabertooth]

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XXXXXXXXX was a major acquisition for the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX in the first round of this draft. He was a bargain for a team that was in dire need of a running back to rotate in with XXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXX gives this team the home run threat that the running game was sorely lacking last season.

Spoiler

This is Kiper's recap of Beanie Wells post-draft. I looked for Ingram's for comparison but it is insider content

 

[NeverEnough]

Can we get back to projections? Geez.

 

[TheFanatic]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

That's great that you are so high on the guy. Doesn't make him a superstud in the NFL. Neither does his draft position or his Heisman. He still has to do it on the field. And yes, a great deal of the draft is luck and folly. Tom Brady drafted in the 6th, Jerry Rice wasn't a 1st rounder, etc., etc. I could go all day long on this. I like Ingram a ton myself, but I'm not anointing someone who has yet to even play a preseason game better than anyone in the league, much less a guy that dominated the league only last year. But if that's your thing, then by all means, run with it. And if you do, there's a kid playing tailback in my hometown that I'm pretty sure is better than Bo Jackson ever was. You'll see. Really shifty and fast, great vision, relentless worker, and actually has webbed fingers which gives him the best hands the NFL will ever know. Right now he's thinking of donating some of his unneeded organs to people that need them so he can be lighter and faster. The kid is committed and a can't miss HOFer in the NFL. I'm predicting NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and MVP in 2015. He's that special.

If you are going to go on all day long, could you at least bring facts?

Sue me, I was on a roll...

 

[Sabertooth]

Can we get back to projections? Geez.

I think Beanie Wells' rookie season is a reasonable jumping off point for several reasons.

 

[Apeman]

From Rotoworld:

Ingram and Pierre Thomas will split carries?

Beat writer Jeff Duncan says that regardless of who starts between Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas, "the final number of reps will likely be similar between the two."

Per Duncan, the two backs have alternated reps with the first team throughout camp. And while Ingram has been the star, a committee-style backfield under Sean Payton certainly would be no surprise. The key, however, is that Ingram is locked in as the goal-line back. The rookie is a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/209806/ingram-and-pierre-thomas-will-split-carries

With my auction tonight, I think I like this news as a guy who will be aggressively targeting Ingram. The key to me is the goal-line role, and when push comes to shove I think Ingram's talent will win out in terms of number of carries.

But hopefully this drives his price down a bit.

 

[TheFanatic]

From Rotoworld:Ingram and Pierre Thomas will split carries?Beat writer Jeff Duncan says that regardless of who starts between Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas, "the final number of reps will likely be similar between the two."Per Duncan, the two backs have alternated reps with the first team throughout camp. And while Ingram has been the star, a committee-style backfield under Sean Payton certainly would be no surprise. The key, however, is that Ingram is locked in as the goal-line back. The rookie is a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns. http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/209806/ingram-and-pierre-thomas-will-split-carriesWith my auction tonight, I think I like this news as a guy who will be aggressively targeting Ingram. The key to me is the goal-line role, and when push comes to shove I think Ingram's talent will win out in terms of number of carries.But hopefully this drives his price down a bit.

My coach speak radar is going WHHHIIIRRRR-WHHHIIRRRR right now....

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Why even bother saying something like "he's a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns." No he isn't. Hardly anyone is, even annually good fantasy RBs.

 

[Doug B]

From Rotoworld:

Ingram and Pierre Thomas will split carries?

Beat writer Jeff Duncan says that regardless of who starts between Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas, "the final number of reps will likely be similar between the two."

Per Duncan, the two backs have alternated reps with the first team throughout camp. And while Ingram has been the star, a committee-style backfield under Sean Payton certainly would be no surprise. The key, however, is that Ingram is locked in as the goal-line back. The rookie is a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns.

http://www.rotoworld...l-split-carries

A lot of people will read that as "the final number of rushing attempts will likely be similar ...", just like the Rotoworld headline writer did. They'll ignore that Ingram's role will likely allow him to smoke Thomas in fantasy points over the course of the season.

 

[Apeman]

From Rotoworld:

Ingram and Pierre Thomas will split carries?

Beat writer Jeff Duncan says that regardless of who starts between Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas, "the final number of reps will likely be similar between the two."

Per Duncan, the two backs have alternated reps with the first team throughout camp. And while Ingram has been the star, a committee-style backfield under Sean Payton certainly would be no surprise. The key, however, is that Ingram is locked in as the goal-line back. The rookie is a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns.

http://www.rotoworld...l-split-carries

A lot of people will read that as "the final number of rushing attempts will likely be similar ...", just like the Rotoworld headline writer did. They'll ignore that Ingram's role will likely allow him to smoke Thomas in fantasy points over the course of the season.

Wow. Good point. Count me among those who jumped to conclusions. Gimme some Ingram.

 

[Funkley]

Blah blah......all I needed to read was "And while Ingram has been the star......" Plenty of time to leave Thomas even further behind by game 1. Wish we drafted sooner in my league.

 

[firstseason1988]

Blah blah......all I needed to read was "And while Ingram has been the star......" Plenty of time to leave Thomas even further behind by game 1. Wish we drafted sooner in my league.

Got him in the 5th in my draft in June as my RB3/flex. I stated in the draft pick comment, "his ADP will be well up from here by the time the season starts."

 

[Doug B]

Why even bother saying something like "he's a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns." No he isn't. Hardly anyone is, even annually good fantasy RBs.

Well, there are some things in Ingram's favor:1) He has the Saints' goal-line role right now.2) He also has the Saints' red-zone RB role right now -- IOW, they're not just going to wave Ingram in when the ball's inside the 3.3) The Saints traded their best goal-line RB of the Payton era to the Dolphins. Yep, Reggie Bush actually was deadly and efficient inside the 5.4) The Saints RBs, combined, scored 28 rush/rcv TDs in 2008, and 26 in 2009. When the RB corps is not a MASH unit and Sean Payton can allocate the rush/pass percentages the way he prefers, there's plenty of opportunity for a RB to rack up TDs.5) Pierre Thomas himself scored 12 TDs in 2008 (in 160 touches!) despite playing part time and sharing a backfield with two goal-line backs par excellence in Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush....I would say that a healthy, 16-game-playing Ingram is reasonably in line for double-figure TDs.

 

[ffguru56]

Why even bother saying something like "he's a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns." No he isn't. Hardly anyone is, even annually good fantasy RBs.

I agree that the expected tds from a player can fluctuate dramatically from year to year even when most factors surrounding that player and team don't change, but to dismiss someone's expectations because you feel it's irrelevant is counterproductive in evaluating that player. No one knows for sure how well Ingram will play. No one truly knows how well Adrian Peterson and Arian Foster will play either. But based on their past history in the league one can make an educated guess. Since Ingram doesn't have a history then speculation can only be relied upon. Without speculation then no rookie can be evaluated.Plus it's always relevant to hear the opinions of a player by others, regardless if they are viewed as reasonable. It doesn't mean you can't easily dismiss it. If I claim LeSean McCoy to have 1600+ yards rushing this year most people will disagree that it will happen, but it could and it's not farfetched. Now if a large group of people believe this to be a possibility then it most certainly will affect one's view towards him moreso.I'm just saying that everyone's opinion is relevant to a person that may know nothing about Ingram and is trying to develop an opinion of the player. Obviously providing as many facts and reasons to back up your opinion warrants a better evaluation, but it still holds merit.I also feel Ingram could easily get 10 touchdowns. My speculation isn't based on anything except factors that can easily change and can't be controlled, even by the player, coach, or team itself at times.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Obviously you can construct arguments for him scoring that many TDs. It is not strictly "unreasonable." But neither is it a "safe bet."

 

[Hoart Petterson]

Rich man's Wali Lundy.

 

[Doug B]

Obviously you can construct arguments for him scoring that many TDs. It is not strictly "unreasonable." But neither is it a "safe bet."

I can agree that Ingram will need things to break his way to fulfill his upside. Not having an NFL track record, he certainly can't take a productive red-zone workload for granted.I know that's not an earth-shattering take. But, you know, he actually NEEDS the basic things to come through for him -- staying healthy, avoiding fumbles, having a high conversion rate on short-yardage carries, avoiding egregious mental mistakes so the coaches stay confident in him. Having said that, the door of opportunity is open for him -- Ingram needs only to walk through it.

 

[Funkley]

Doug has me liking Ingram in the 2nd round.

 

[Doug B]

Doug has me liking Ingram in the 2nd round.

In my live leagues, I'm resigned to Ingram falling in the first 20 picks thanks to drafting in New Orleans

 

[Funkley]

Lol

 

[TheFanatic]

The latest.....from RotoworldIngram and Pierre Thomas will split carries? Beat writer Jeff Duncan says that regardless of who starts between Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas, "the final number of reps will likely be similar between the two."Per Duncan, the two backs have alternated reps with the first team throughout camp. And while Ingram has been the star, a committee-style backfield under Sean Payton certainly would be no surprise. The key, however, is that Ingram is locked in as the goal-line back. The rookie is a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns. Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune Aug 18, 10:47 AM

See Post 165 that put this up more than an hour ago... But thanks for making it bigger so we could see it better...

 

[OnTheReg]

I'm thinking Ingram is the ideal RB3 right now. As the season goes on, he is going to get more and more carries, and Pierre less and less. Then flip whoever your RB2 is.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

That's great that you are so high on the guy. Doesn't make him a superstud in the NFL. Neither does his draft position or his Heisman. He still has to do it on the field. And yes, a great deal of the draft is luck and folly. Tom Brady drafted in the 6th, Jerry Rice wasn't a 1st rounder, etc., etc. I could go all day long on this. I like Ingram a ton myself, but I'm not anointing someone who has yet to even play a preseason game better than anyone in the league, much less a guy that dominated the league only last year. But if that's your thing, then by all means, run with it. And if you do, there's a kid playing tailback in my hometown that I'm pretty sure is better than Bo Jackson ever was. You'll see. Really shifty and fast, great vision, relentless worker, and actually has webbed fingers which gives him the best hands the NFL will ever know. Right now he's thinking of donating some of his unneeded organs to people that need them so he can be lighter and faster. The kid is committed and a can't miss HOFer in the NFL. I'm predicting NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and MVP in 2015. He's that special.

If you are going to go on all day long, could you at least bring facts?

Sue me, I was on a roll...

One in a row is a roll?

 

[TheFanatic]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

That's great that you are so high on the guy. Doesn't make him a superstud in the NFL. Neither does his draft position or his Heisman. He still has to do it on the field. And yes, a great deal of the draft is luck and folly. Tom Brady drafted in the 6th, Jerry Rice wasn't a 1st rounder, etc., etc. I could go all day long on this. I like Ingram a ton myself, but I'm not anointing someone who has yet to even play a preseason game better than anyone in the league, much less a guy that dominated the league only last year. But if that's your thing, then by all means, run with it. And if you do, there's a kid playing tailback in my hometown that I'm pretty sure is better than Bo Jackson ever was. You'll see. Really shifty and fast, great vision, relentless worker, and actually has webbed fingers which gives him the best hands the NFL will ever know. Right now he's thinking of donating some of his unneeded organs to people that need them so he can be lighter and faster. The kid is committed and a can't miss HOFer in the NFL. I'm predicting NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and MVP in 2015. He's that special.

If you are going to go on all day long, could you at least bring facts?

Sue me, I was on a roll...

One in a row is a roll?

I was rambling... Encompassed more than just the Rice reference...

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm thinking Ingram is the ideal RB3 right now. As the season goes on, he is going to get more and more carries, and Pierre less and less. Then flip whoever your RB2 is.

That's the way I usually treat rookie RB's. I don't like starting them the first few weeks. The guys destined to be studs as rookies will shine earlier than later. They might get a start after a week or two. I definitely see this guy starting consistently by mid season. This guy and DThomas I feel have the best chance to be true work horse RB's. I like Pierre a lot, but the guy can't stay healthy. He is what he is, great for spot duty but don't rely on him. Ivory will be a non factor and Sproles will do about what REggie Bush does in Miami, gimmick and 3rd down stuff. I can't wait to see what this kid does in week 1...

 

[Scooby1974]

The latest.....from RotoworldIngram and Pierre Thomas will split carries? Beat writer Jeff Duncan says that regardless of who starts between Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas, "the final number of reps will likely be similar between the two."Per Duncan, the two backs have alternated reps with the first team throughout camp. And while Ingram has been the star, a committee-style backfield under Sean Payton certainly would be no surprise. The key, however, is that Ingram is locked in as the goal-line back. The rookie is a safe bet for 10-plus touchdowns. Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune Aug 18, 10:47 AM

See Post 165 that put this up more than an hour ago... But thanks for making it bigger so we could see it better...

He is Da Man...so he is, of course, entitled to do whatever he wants.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

I'm thinking Ingram is the ideal RB3 right now. As the season goes on, he is going to get more and more carries, and Pierre less and less. Then flip whoever your RB2 is.

That's the way I usually treat rookie RB's. I don't like starting them the first few weeks. The guys destined to be studs as rookies will shine earlier than later. They might get a start after a week or two. I definitely see this guy starting consistently by mid season. This guy and DThomas I feel have the best chance to be true work horse RB's. I like Pierre a lot, but the guy can't stay healthy. He is what he is, great for spot duty but don't rely on him. Ivory will be a non factor and Sproles will do about what REggie Bush does in Miami, gimmick and 3rd down stuff. I can't wait to see what this kid does in week 1...

In my (non-PPR, rb heavy draft) he'll be a late 2nd-early 3rd round pick. I'm thinking I'll have to use my late 2nd on him to ensure that I get him. If I talk myself into jumping on him there, I agree with your logic and think I'll have to pair him with someone like Beanie as my RB2/3, and maybe start Beanie the first few weeks until Ingram really gets kicking.

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm thinking Ingram is the ideal RB3 right now. As the season goes on, he is going to get more and more carries, and Pierre less and less. Then flip whoever your RB2 is.

That's the way I usually treat rookie RB's. I don't like starting them the first few weeks. The guys destined to be studs as rookies will shine earlier than later. They might get a start after a week or two. I definitely see this guy starting consistently by mid season. This guy and DThomas I feel have the best chance to be true work horse RB's. I like Pierre a lot, but the guy can't stay healthy. He is what he is, great for spot duty but don't rely on him. Ivory will be a non factor and Sproles will do about what REggie Bush does in Miami, gimmick and 3rd down stuff. I can't wait to see what this kid does in week 1...

In my (non-PPR, rb heavy draft) he'll be a late 2nd-early 3rd round pick. I'm thinking I'll have to use my late 2nd on him to ensure that I get him. If I talk myself into jumping on him there, I agree with your logic and think I'll have to pair him with someone like Beanie as my RB2/3, and maybe start Beanie the first few weeks until Ingram really gets kicking.

I'm in a similar boat, except I'm more assured of having him. I have the first two picks in a rookie draft so it will be similar with me except I'll be platooning him with Blount behind MJD who are both arleady on my roster. Considering MJD's knee, I might be starting Ingram and Blount a lot this year...

 

[guderian]

This guy sits in great position to break out big time this season. IMO Thomas is the mentor and breather guy only as long as reports are good about Ingram's blocking.

His talent, style and track record are clearly a couple steps ahead of Pierre, which counts a lot more than the comparison with Arian the Barbarian.

Can you unpack this a bit? Thomas has 2800 total yards and a 4.7 career ypc and he's deadly with a screen pass. Ingram has zero yards in the NFL, so how can we conclude that his "track record" is "clearly a couple steps ahead of Pierre"???

 

[RBM]

This guy sits in great position to break out big time this season. IMO Thomas is the mentor and breather guy only as long as reports are good about Ingram's blocking.

His talent, style and track record are clearly a couple steps ahead of Pierre, which counts a lot more than the comparison with Arian the Barbarian.

Can you unpack this a bit? Thomas has 2800 total yards and a 4.7 career ypc and he's deadly with a screen pass. Ingram has zero yards in the NFL, so how can we conclude that his "track record" is "clearly a couple steps ahead of Pierre"???

I love Ingram but agree with this. You cant say track record when talking about a rookie

 

[ProBowler88]

bump now that they have Sproles?

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I see Ingram and Ryan Mathews as being available at roughly the same draft position. Their backups are required as well: Thomas or Tolbert, and they are pretty close in ADP right now as well. Anyone have thoughts on which pair is the better draft value? I'm leaning toward Mathews/Tolbert myself. Love more thoughts on this though, since I dont see how you'd want to take all 4 in a single team.

 

[Doug B]

Love more thoughts on this though, since I dont see how you'd want to take all 4 in a single team.

All 4 of them on a best-ball team would be sick But seriously: of the four backs you mention, IMHO, Ingram is the one most likely to finish with legit FFB RB1 stats. I am pretty injury-averse, so Matthews and Thomas concern me somewhat.

 

[Doug B]

bump now that they have Sproles?

Not really ... Sproles is filling a role that Ingram wouldn't have had to take on. Without a Bush-like player on the offense, Payton adjusts by ratcheting up the plays for the slot WR and the second TE (Lance Moore and David Thomas last year).

 

[FantasyMan]

The rookie hype is in full swing, this happens every year.

At the end of the year, it's never the guy everyone thinks it'll be. Give me some Daniel Thomas.

 

[Sabertooth]

The rookie hype is in full swing, this happens every year.At the end of the year, it's never the guy everyone thinks it'll be. Give me some Daniel Thomas.

Delone Carter from the Colts has a chance too. Addai is the very definition of placeholder at this point.

 

[timschochet]

I don't think we need to compare Ingram to Daniel Thomas or Delone Carter, because they're not being drafted in the same tier. Instead, let's compare Ingram to the other RBs who will probably be available right around the same time:

Ahmed Bradshaw

Peyton Hillis

LeGarrette Blount

Jahvid Best

Michael Turner

According to Dodd's most recent list, at least some of these guys are going to be available around the time you may choose to draft Ingram. Which of them would you draft ahead of Ingram?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I don't think we need to compare Ingram to Daniel Thomas or Delone Carter, because they're not being drafted in the same tier. Instead, let's compare Ingram to the other RBs who will probably be available right around the same time:Ahmed BradshawPeyton HillisLeGarrette BlountJahvid BestMichael TurnerAccording to Dodd's most recent list, at least some of these guys are going to be available around the time you may choose to draft Ingram. Which of them would you draft ahead of Ingram?

I'd draft all ahead of Ingram except maybe Best and Bradshaw.How is Dodd's number projections going to affect your league drafts? I don't think a single guy in my league will draft Ingram ahead of any other RB listed here.

 

[timschochet]

I don't think we need to compare Ingram to Daniel Thomas or Delone Carter, because they're not being drafted in the same tier. Instead, let's compare Ingram to the other RBs who will probably be available right around the same time:Ahmed BradshawPeyton HillisLeGarrette BlountJahvid BestMichael TurnerAccording to Dodd's most recent list, at least some of these guys are going to be available around the time you may choose to draft Ingram. Which of them would you draft ahead of Ingram?

I'd draft all ahead of Ingram except maybe Best and Bradshaw.How is Dodd's number projections going to affect your league drafts? I don't think a single guy in my league will draft Ingram ahead of any other RB listed here.

The point is that if you trust Dodds, then you can let at least some of these guys get drafted and then you take Ingram instead. Specifically, Dodds seems to think that you should pass on Michael Turner in favor of Ingram. But I don't know what the exact thinking is behind this.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't think we need to compare Ingram to Daniel Thomas or Delone Carter, because they're not being drafted in the same tier. Instead, let's compare Ingram to the other RBs who will probably be available right around the same time:Ahmed BradshawPeyton HillisLeGarrette BlountJahvid BestMichael TurnerAccording to Dodd's most recent list, at least some of these guys are going to be available around the time you may choose to draft Ingram. Which of them would you draft ahead of Ingram?

I'd draft all ahead of Ingram except maybe Best and Bradshaw.How is Dodd's number projections going to affect your league drafts? I don't think a single guy in my league will draft Ingram ahead of any other RB listed here.

The point is that if you trust Dodds, then you can let at least some of these guys get drafted and then you take Ingram instead. Specifically, Dodds seems to think that you should pass on Michael Turner in favor of Ingram. But I don't know what the exact thinking is behind this.

I can see it possibly in PPR but even then its tough to do. I wouldn't do it.

 

[Doug B]

Specifically, Dodds seems to think that you should pass on Michael Turner in favor of Ingram. But I don't know what the exact thinking is behind this.

I buy into Dodds' take. The Cliff Notes version of the reasons:a) Ingram's situation & youth (see posts #165-172 upthread)b) Turner's body is an old 29 - broken down?

 

[T with T]

Can you guys take this "talent" squabble outside and keep this thread focused on the beast named Ingram?

I just hope I'm not missing something with him. I've been on the Ingram bandwagon since he won his Heisman. Now I sit with the #1 and #2 picks in my rookie draft and he almost seems too good to be true. I think he's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson honestly. Lightyears ahead of last year's class...and this year's to be quite honest.

Hes not better then matthews or Best to name two from 2010. I can name 5 rbs from 08 he isn't better then, JC, Cj3, Ray rice, Mendenhall, Mcfadden, Forte to name a few. I will give you 09 but comeon Knowshon was the best out of that class and that is just a joke.