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What the hell are you basing this on? Only because I think you're out of your mind for thinking Best is better. Arguments can be made for the others, even though the jury is far from ready to rule on them with the kid not having played in an NFL game yet. But Best?? Thats laughable
why don't you like it?Ingram hyper perhaps??
Well this is an Ingram thread, so yes.
The fact you had to explain that in this thread is funny. After all it is LHucks, he is comic relief around here.
Matthews and Best? :swingandamiss: Neither one of those guys have done anything in their careers as of yet.
I just got Ingram 5th in my redraft ppr league as my rb3 and I really hope all the Ingram lovers here are right and he gets 1200 yards rushing and 10-12 tds. I guess its possible if he gets 250 carries but who knows if that will happen. I had to grab him in the 5th, he had more upside then Benson imo.
the 5 backs form 08 I mentioned in JC, CJ3, Rice, Mendy, Mcfadden and u can even make it 6 throw in Forte. Best was injured last year and when hes healthy he is a beast. He still had 186 points in ppr leagues with two turf toes.
yea that is scary, but then I started to see that thomas is a bum and injury prone. even splitting carries he could still get 10 but I just hope we are wrong about distribution, I know payton is weird with Rbs. he uses 3 at least. I would love to see Ingram explode and be top ten in ppr.
Again, what are you basing this on?
Ingram grades out as a rookie entering this season better than Charles, Rice, Mendenhall, Forte and Johnson.He grades out MUCH higher than Best or Moreno. Why don't you let him play 2-3 years before comparing him to anyone in the 08 draft class.This may be the dumbest post I've read on FBG's forums.And just to save everyone time, I'm not saying he will end up being better than Johnson or whoever. I will say that I think he'll have a longer more productive career than the majority of the guys you named. Is he going to have the explosive 80 yard plays that Charles and Johnson have? No, absolutely not. It's not his game.Is he going to put up 70 receptions that Matt Forte gets? No, it's not his game.Mendenhall and Forte are guys that have ran below 4 ypc, so let's not act like they're exactly monsters who are untouchable.Mark Ingram's vision is as good as any back. He has a low center of gravity, balance, and is a hard back to bring down. He's fast for his size and hits holes. Remember that he's going to a team with a killer offense. I would bet that ends up putting more TD's into the endzone than the vast majority, if not all of the guys you mentioned above.
COming out of college, he does/did not grade-out better than CJ or Mendy, just saying. It's almost splitting hairs, but those guys were elite prospects.
Best probably would have 'graded out' a lot higher, at least in terms of draft position, if not for his injury concerns. Those concerns are legit, but if we're just talking ability, the jury is still out.
They were all selected in the same range. They weren't considered anymore elite than Ingram. Neither of them had the illustrious college career as Ingram.
Best was viewed as and still is viewed as a committee guy. He can do more things, but is nowhere near the runner that Ingram is.
I think he's viewed as a committee guy due to valid concerns about his durability. In that way, Ingram has him beat. But as far as a talent ... Best has made some crazy looking runs that I don't see many being able to pull off. Again, I think the jury is way out on him, but to each his own. FWIW, I think Ingram is one of the safer picks in the draft. The guy earlier hit the nail on the head: N.O. RBs split a LOT of touchdowns in 08 and 09 when the team's offense was rolling. Even if Sproles and Thomas eat into the TD share, we're talking 27 TDs over those 2 seasons? Give Sproles 6 and Thomas 8 (which I think is generous given how Ingram has looked running near the endzone this preseason), and that still leaves 13 for Ingram. Is he going to get all of the carries? No. But if he can get even 220-240 and average a healthy YPC, he's going to be worth than the third-fifth rounder its costing you.
I'm not sure what you're rolling your eyes at. Thomas scored 12 times in less than 160 touches in 08 and nine times in a little less than 200 in 09. If Ingram is the 'lead guy' and the go-to guy in short yardage, as it looks he'll be and which Thomas never really was, it seems like a safe bet. Also, Thomas has been hurt every season in his career so far. You're mocking people for expecting two things that are extremely likely to happen, if history indicates anything.I'm still trying to figure out how Ingram is going to get 240 carries when he's splitting with Thomas and Sproles.oh I forgot, we're banking on a Thomas injury and double digit TDs.
Good points, but I'd counter with1) They gave Thomas that deal before the lockout. And I agree, he's not a bum. But I'd also say he's not Payton's ideal RB at all, given the fact that they've tried to replace him a number of times (he couldn't get on the field despite his productivity early on; they brought in Bell and looked to be making him their first option before his injury in 09; they tried to pull the same move with Ingram on Beanie Wells a few years back. Also, he and Thomas butted heads last year. I think they view him as a good, productive player who isn't reliable as far as staying healthy and has a few weaknesses like short yardage and a lack of breakaway speed. 2.) They're not going to look to give Ingram 300 carries; I don't think Payton wants to burn him out. But I do think that if he proves himself to be one of the league's better backs, he can absolutely garner a McAllister-esque workload in the 200+ carry range. 3.)Agreed. He's getting a solid workload in the preseason, but I'm not sure exactly how much pass pro he's had to do. This is a good point though.
I disagree with this. CJ was considered too small and a second round prospect. Graded similar to CJ Spiller. Mendenhall was graded better. However I didn't like either as much as Ingram.
???He has nowhere near the straight line speed of Lewis. I think Ingram is closer to MJD than Lewis.
This is the point people just keep ignoring. This isn't Chris Ivory here. This is one of the best college RB prospect to come out in a few years.
No they weren't. Especially CJ. The Titans were laughed at for drafting CJ and he was thought of as merely a 3rd down speed back.
Im thinking Ingram is more like Emmit Smith.
I can see that as well.
I agree with everything here except the bolded.
Also not buying that they are going to ride their new toy into the ground and the other guys will carry the load if/when he goes down. I think they will be leaned on quite heavily to lessen the load and increase the chances that Ingram is healthy when it counts. It is also in NO's best interest to keep him under his rookie contract as long as possible. +EV for the organization to keep everyone involved than the alternative.
LMAO. Total brain fart. No coffee yet.I agree with everything here except the bolded.
How is 200 carries riding him into the ground? Nobody is suggesting much more than that? Do you think they are so enamored with him that they will be afraid to use him? I don't get it. If that's the case, they should pull Brees any time they get a 14 point lead.
I think we are close to agreeing. BTW the first two projections I found in this thread had him at 250 and 260 carries. Along with a few posts claiming he is 2nd-3rd round material, that is essentially what I am disagreeing with. I have no problem taking him at his ADP, however at the back end of the draft I won't be in a position to do so. I also think that his value will increase as the season goes on due to pass protection issues. With that in mind, I will pass on him for the other backs I have in the same tier and attempt to 'buy low' in the first few weeks of the season.How is 200 carries riding him into the ground? Nobody is suggesting much more than that?
How many for Thomas are you projecting?
Um, the Saints have stated there is going to be a split.
This is what I am projecting, with Thomas getting more targets and Ingram getting more gl touches.
It's a mirage...Ingram is going to be the bellcow as a rookie because he's the next Emmit Smith.
P.S Emmit Smith's rookie numbers weren't spectacular.
Pretty much the entire NFL runs "a split" of some kind. The question is "How will the touches be allocated? Both in number and in on-field situation?"
Master of the obvious statement here.Clearly I was implying something closer to a full blown RBBC.
such as? 3rd round is early to take ingram (3.11/3.12 maybe/4.1/4.2) mathews disappointed last year in the same spot more/less. i think ingram can put up decent rb3 numbers with 210 carries and 20 catches. I think around 1100-1250 total yards and 10 TDs is nice production from a rb3.
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