Mark Ingram, RB, New Orleans Saints (2 Viewers)

[LawFitz]

I think there is a much higher probability of Ingram's touches increasing by the time the fantasy playoffs come around than decreasing. This is the single best argument for where he is being drafted in redraft formats IMO.

Early this season, the my thought is he makes a decent to low grade RB2 in fantasy thanks getting the biggest share of RB TDs. Later in the season however, the skies the limit under a wide variety of decently likely scenarios that put him in a position for a bigger share of the overall RB touches, which would make him an RB1 for fantasy during our playoffs.

 

[Abraham]

Fair point. Serious question: is there a recent example of a "bell cow" back getting a significantly higher % of his team's carries in the playoffs compared to the regular season? I honestly haven't looked but would guess that the ratios don't change a lot.

 

[T with T]

You guys expect your 3rd and 4th round rb picks to finish in the top 15 among his position? Tough crowd. The "if he stays healthy" argument is universal as is the "the coach doesn't care about your fantasy success" argument. Coaches care Bout winning. The titans don't spell Chris Johnson with javon ringer more then a few plays let game because getting Johnson te ball more increases their chance for success. Sean Payton isn't going to say, "you know, if we give Chris ivory the ball half a dozen times that will keep mark healthy for January". No, he's going to say "give Ingram the ### #### ball and run it down their throats!" Thinking that by mid season there is going to be a four way rbbc is deluded. If Ingram isn't getting the ball 18-25 times a game after week 8 then I will eat my playbook.

What is the reasoning behind Jamaal Charles getting 230 carries and 6.4 yards a clip and Jones getting 15 more carries at 3.7 ypc... I guess Jones gave them a better chance to win, Because it wasn't like Charles was hurt or couldn't handle an extra carry or so in some of them games. Sorry to get off subject of M. Ingram, but that doesn't always work is what im saying. I agree Ingram is by far the best back on the team and I hope he has 15-20 carries a game but Its unlikely unless Thomas gets hurt.

 

[T with T]

Fair point. Serious question: is there a recent example of a "bell cow" back getting a significantly higher % of his team's carries in the playoffs compared to the regular season? I honestly haven't looked but would guess that the ratios don't change a lot.

I think he was talking about Fantasy playoffs Homer, DOHHHH

 

[Insein]

You guys expect your 3rd and 4th round rb picks to finish in the top 15 among his position? Tough crowd.

If you're drafting a RB in round 3, you're basically saying he's an RB2 for most teams unless you go RB-RB-RB. I'd want my RB2 to finish in the top 15 of RBs for sure or else my team isn't that great.

 

[Sabertooth]

This discussion is just masturbation at this point.

 

[Insein]

This discussion is just masturbation at this point.

As is 99% of the shark pool before week 1 (and after I guess).

 

[Sabertooth]

This discussion is just masturbation at this point.

As is 99% of the shark pool before week 1 (and after I guess).

I don't think this is accurate. I get a lot of information. But at this point in this thread, nothing is being gained at all.

 

[Insein]

This discussion is just masturbation at this point.

As is 99% of the shark pool before week 1 (and after I guess).

I don't think this is accurate. I get a lot of information. But at this point in this thread, nothing is being gained at all.

True. But before week 1, there's always back and forth debate with no real substance. Its when the games are played that it becomes a bit more real. I just remember last year how "can't miss" Ryan Matthews was supposed to be and all the people justifying the 1st round ADP for him. That's why I'm leery on "can't miss" rookie running backs. Someone else can take that risk with a high draft pick. If he falls to round 5 or 6, then we'll see.

 

[Doug B]

I don't think this is accurate. I get a lot of information. But at this point in this thread, nothing is being gained at all.

The point of these kinds of threads is not so much to change the minds of the participants, although that can happen occasionally.The point, as I see it, is to give lurkers looking for Ingram info some food for thought. I look at posting in this kind of thread as arguing in front of a silent jury. Likewise, I go to a lot of these threads about other players so that I can get arguments (a) from both sides, and (b) from local fans of a given players.

 

[TheFanatic]

I agree with Hucks. Imagine that. I'm not feeling the hype for Ingram. He may be pretty good for a rookie RB but he's not going to be top 15 for fantasy. People can talk all they want but the Saints have 4 starting caliber RB's. I just don't see them going overboard with Ingram because they don't have to.

Not until Ivory comes off the PUP list. And he will be on it to open the season. Don't think he factors much into 2011.

PT has never been able to carry the load for a full season, Sproles hasn't either and Ingram is a rookie. I think it would be safer to say they have two guys that can do great spot duty, a guy on the PUP and a guy who has never played in the NFL. Even if someone traded up to get him, doesn't mean he can handle the pro game. The Saints may think so, but he still has to do it. The Bills didn't trade up to get Spiller, but took him 9th overall. How did that turn out? Look at a guy like Cedric Benson. He was terrible early on compared to draft position. He looks good now, but initially he sucked. The Saint's have some guys who have filled in for the starter fairly well, but never done it for 16 games.

 

[Stoli]

"RB Saints" is a fantasy football factory, provided the RB stays healthy. Bush had a bunch of fantasy-worthy stretches, as did Thomas, as did Ivory (though in a different situation). Even when splitting, Thomas has always been a solid enough play as a No. 2 RB provided he's not hurt or ineffective (as he was last year). Look at the Super Bowl year, for example. The Saints lead rusher was usually pretty obvious, even though it indeed was a RBBC.I'm listing total touches based on who was the guy thought to be the lead dog entering any given game.Week 1 - Bell - 28-143 (Thomas out, Bush the COP)Week 2 - Bell 18-95-1(Thomas out, Bush COP)Week 3 - Thomas 14-126-2 (Bell hurt, Bush COP)Week 4 - Thomas 23-132-1 (Bell out, Bush COP)Week 5 - Thomas 15-72 (Bell back, Bush healthy)Week 6 - Thomas 9-44 (All healthy, Saints in comeback mode)Week 7 - Thomas 16-100-2 (all healthy Wk 14)Week 8 - Thomas 18-81-1 Week 9 - Thomas 12-42Week 10 - Thomas 14-103-0Week 11 - Thomas 14-87-1Week 12 - Thomas 14-82Week 13 - Thomas - 19-100Week 14 - Thomas 11-70 (Bush got hurt during the game)Week 15 - Thomas 6-60-1 (played about a quarter before getting hurt; he'd have been the guy starting going in if you played anyone. Bush was out.)Week 16 - Bell 17-28 (Week 17 scrub-fest with playoff position clinched)There are some clunkers, sure. But even when Payton was using the full blown "committee" from week 5-13, Thomas was still a guy that averaged double figure fantasy points. Mike Bell was completely ineffective after week 2 that year - he averaged over 4 a carry once the rest of the year ... and six times got less than 3 ypc ... and still got double-digit carries to lead the team. When Payton had Deuce, he got 270 touches in 15 games. He tried to trade up to get Beanie Wells, gushed about Bell all preseason, and now trades up to get Ingram. Even his developmental guys like Ivory and before him Lynell Hamilton, projected more as bruisers, power backs.Call it whatever you will, but Payton is obviously a guy that highly values having a powerful RB that can move the chains and convert short yardage. He really seems to favor those whenever he has them, which goes counter to what you'd think as his offenses are thought of as finesse and pass happy. If Ingram can add value in the receiving game ... and to be fair, I don't know if that's in the cards right now ... he has a chance to get a 'lot' of work.Maybe Sean Payton is a true RBBC guy, who wants to split right down the middle, maybe not. He's never had a clear cut top rusher. With Deuce, they had just drafted Bush, so both were going to get work. With Thomas/Bush et al, neither were sturdy enough to take 20 carries a game. But personally, I'd be surprised if, by midseason, Thomas is getting near equal work. I don't think they make that kind of trade up if they didn't think they'd get a significant return.

I would just like to say thank you for this post. I think it means a lot more coming from someone that has clearly followed the team closely for years.

 

[LawFitz]

Ingram (knee) missed practice on Tuesday after experiencing some swelling in his knee, reports the New Orleans Times-Picayune. According to the report, the move was only precautionary, but Ingram will likely miss practice Wednesday as well, though he should return within a couple of days.

Spin:

The report did not specify which knee Ingram was experiencing the swelling, but it can be assumed that the discomfort was felt on his surgically-repaired left knee. Though Dr. James Andrews gave him a clean bill of health, there was some concern about the degenerative arthritis in his knees that caused him to slip a bit on draft day. Keep an eye on the situation for if Ingram was forced to miss any time, Pierre Thomas would receive a huge boost.

Well this is fairly concerning. Can Alabama homers shed some light on the college knee issues?

 

[[icon]]

I don't think this is accurate. I get a lot of information. But at this point in this thread, nothing is being gained at all.

The point of these kinds of threads is not so much to change the minds of the participants, although that can happen occasionally.The point, as I see it, is to give lurkers looking for Ingram info some food for thought. I look at posting in this kind of thread as arguing in front of a silent jury. Likewise, I go to a lot of these threads about other players so that I can get arguments (a) from both sides, and (b) from local fans of a given players.

 

[[icon]]

Ingram (knee) missed practice on Tuesday after experiencing some swelling in his knee, reports the New Orleans Times-Picayune. According to the report, the move was only precautionary, but Ingram will likely miss practice Wednesday as well, though he should return within a couple of days.

Spin:

The report did not specify which knee Ingram was experiencing the swelling, but it can be assumed that the discomfort was felt on his surgically-repaired left knee. Though Dr. James Andrews gave him a clean bill of health, there was some concern about the degenerative arthritis in his knees that caused him to slip a bit on draft day. Keep an eye on the situation for if Ingram was forced to miss any time, Pierre Thomas would receive a huge boost.

Well this is fairly concerning. Can Alabama homers shed some light on the college knee issues?

[NOTADOCTOR]IMO a degenerative arthritic condition is something that would certainly affect a player's dynasty value... however I don't see it as a risk to his playing time in Redraft leagues. The surgery itself was minor scoping by andrews to repair a minor injury incurred on the field of play in college. It didn't appear to have any lingering issues from what I recall (watched almost every Bama game as a SEC junkie)

[/NOTADOCTOR]

 

[Doug B]

Also, Sean Payton is like the anti-Coughlin when it comes to injury treatment and prevention. Payton lets guys rest away soreness when it's helpful to do so.

 

[T with T]

This discussion is just masturbation at this point.

As is 99% of the shark pool before week 1 (and after I guess).

I don't think this is accurate. I get a lot of information. But at this point in this thread, nothing is being gained at all.

True. But before week 1, there's always back and forth debate with no real substance. Its when the games are played that it becomes a bit more real. I just remember last year how "can't miss" Ryan Matthews was supposed to be and all the people justifying the 1st round ADP for him. That's why I'm leery on "can't miss" rookie running backs. Someone else can take that risk with a high draft pick. If he falls to round 5 or 6, then we'll see.

which is exactly what I did, I grabbed Ingram round 5 and took JC and Best in a ppr... Ingram can play great flex with rb1 upside if he gets majority of carries, goalline and stays healthy. Ingram is a very tough runner, made to be a bell cow, more durable then matthews, so he could thrive, like the man said, its hard to see until the season starts, all we have is what we have seen so far.

 

[T with T]

I agree with Hucks. Imagine that. I'm not feeling the hype for Ingram. He may be pretty good for a rookie RB but he's not going to be top 15 for fantasy. People can talk all they want but the Saints have 4 starting caliber RB's. I just don't see them going overboard with Ingram because they don't have to.

Not until Ivory comes off the PUP list. And he will be on it to open the season. Don't think he factors much into 2011.

PT has never been able to carry the load for a full season, Sproles hasn't either and Ingram is a rookie. I think it would be safer to say they have two guys that can do great spot duty, a guy on the PUP and a guy who has never played in the NFL. Even if someone traded up to get him, doesn't mean he can handle the pro game. The Saints may think so, but he still has to do it. The Bills didn't trade up to get Spiller, but took him 9th overall. How did that turn out? Look at a guy like Cedric Benson. He was terrible early on compared to draft position. He looks good now, but initially he sucked. The Saint's have some guys who have filled in for the starter fairly well, but never done it for 16 games.

Your goin to compare Benson to Ingram, geez that is wrong.

 

[Insein]

This discussion is just masturbation at this point.

As is 99% of the shark pool before week 1 (and after I guess).

I don't think this is accurate. I get a lot of information. But at this point in this thread, nothing is being gained at all.

True. But before week 1, there's always back and forth debate with no real substance. Its when the games are played that it becomes a bit more real. I just remember last year how "can't miss" Ryan Matthews was supposed to be and all the people justifying the 1st round ADP for him. That's why I'm leery on "can't miss" rookie running backs. Someone else can take that risk with a high draft pick. If he falls to round 5 or 6, then we'll see.

which is exactly what I did, I grabbed Ingram round 5 and took JC and Best in a ppr... Ingram can play great flex with rb1 upside if he gets majority of carries, goalline and stays healthy. Ingram is a very tough runner, made to be a bell cow, more durable then matthews, so he could thrive, like the man said, its hard to see until the season starts, all we have is what we have seen so far.

Round 5 is about fair to take a shot on the guy. You should have at least 2 solid RB's by that point that Ingram wouldn't break you if he busted. Any higher and they can have him.

 

[RBM]

Anybody know if he is playing tonight?

 

[doegerle]

Anybody know if he is playing tonight?

Ingram (knee) will play Sunday night in Oakland, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reports.

 

[rascal]

I must have missed LHUCKS projections in this thread? ...and I'm not talking about one of his infamous "ranges" where he goes out on a giant limb by saying "Ingram will get between 160 and 220 touches and will rush for somewhere in the neighborhood of 640 and 1100 yards for 5-10 touchdowns."

215 Carries 870 yards, 9 TDs15 receptions 120 yards, 1 TD990 Total Yards, 10 TDsPutting him near Emmit Smith's rookie numbers.Good production for a rookie runningback, terrible production for an overhyped RB being reached on in the second and third round. I like my second and third rounders to have a high ceiling...not a low one.P.S. projecting static totals for ff purposes is an antiquated methodology

I'll take 200 fantasy points out of my #3 RB/flex. Not picking on you Llucks, just that I agree with your projection.

 

[T with T]

I must have missed LHUCKS projections in this thread? ...and I'm not talking about one of his infamous "ranges" where he goes out on a giant limb by saying "Ingram will get between 160 and 220 touches and will rush for somewhere in the neighborhood of 640 and 1100 yards for 5-10 touchdowns."

215 Carries 870 yards, 9 TDs15 receptions 120 yards, 1 TD990 Total Yards, 10 TDsPutting him near Emmit Smith's rookie numbers.Good production for a rookie runningback, terrible production for an overhyped RB being reached on in the second and third round. I like my second and third rounders to have a high ceiling...not a low one.P.S. projecting static totals for ff purposes is an antiquated methodology

I'll take 200 fantasy points out of my #3 RB/flex. Not picking on you Llucks, just that I agree with your projection.

1100 rush yards 200 rec yards 30 catches 10-12 tds... 232 fantasy points for a rookie in ppr... he will be top 15. I have him a potential 1500 yard from scrimmage 12 td guy with 30-40 catches.. the first was a floor for him I believe.

 

[rascal]

I thought Ingram had the GL duties wrapped up? Why is Pierre getting them?

 

[VikingFrog]

I thought Ingram had the GL duties wrapped up? Why is Pierre getting them?

Seem to be rotating series right now with a dash of Sproles here and there.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I thought Ingram had the GL duties wrapped up? Why is Pierre getting them?

Why did you think that? Because a couple of people on here blindly assumed it and talked about it as if it were fact?Sean Payton doesn't seem to believe in goaline backs. He's never used them even when he was in situations where most people would assume there was an obvious pick for the goaline guy. Even when he had big Ron Dayne and Tiki Barber he didn't use the much larger Dayne as the goaline guy.

 

[Football Jones]

I thought Ingram had the GL duties wrapped up? Why is Pierre getting them?

Ingram will be the GL back & much, much more (eventually). This is only preseason so they don't necessarily follow regular season patterns, but he may have got his bell rung on one of his previous runs (what someone else said).BTW, people are making way too much of a possible RBBC. You see now why they resigned Thomas (because of Ivory's injury). If Ingram were to go down (without Thomas), they would basically be left with a 3rd down back (Sproles). When Ingram gets totally acclimated, make no mistake he'll be their feature back. He's simply much more talented than Thomas (even though Thomas is a decent RB). I readily admit it could take a little time before they give Ingram the vast majority of touches, though.

 

[Rick James]

I must have missed LHUCKS projections in this thread?

...and I'm not talking about one of his infamous "ranges" where he goes out on a giant limb by saying "Ingram will get between 160 and 220 touches and will rush for somewhere in the neighborhood of 640 and 1100 yards for 5-10 touchdowns."

215 Carries 870 yards, 9 TDs15 receptions 120 yards, 1 TD

990 Total Yards, 10 TDs

Putting him near Emmit Smith's rookie numbers.

Good production for a rookie runningback, terrible production for an overhyped RB being reached on in the second and third round. I like my second and third rounders to have a high ceiling...not a low one.

P.S. projecting static totals for ff purposes is an antiquated methodology

Not sure where you're seeing this. Grabbed him in the 5th round of my big league this weekend. I've seen him go early 4th before, never 2nd/3rd.

 

[oukurt]

I must have missed LHUCKS projections in this thread?

...and I'm not talking about one of his infamous "ranges" where he goes out on a giant limb by saying "Ingram will get between 160 and 220 touches and will rush for somewhere in the neighborhood of 640 and 1100 yards for 5-10 touchdowns."

215 Carries 870 yards, 9 TDs15 receptions 120 yards, 1 TD

990 Total Yards, 10 TDs

Putting him near Emmit Smith's rookie numbers.

Good production for a rookie runningback, terrible production for an overhyped RB being reached on in the second and third round. I like my second and third rounders to have a high ceiling...not a low one.

P.S. projecting static totals for ff purposes is an antiquated methodology

Not sure where you're seeing this. Grabbed him in the 5th round of my big league this weekend. I've seen him go early 4th before, never 2nd/3rd.

Reminds me of people bashing others for taking Peterson in the 2nd-3rd round in his rookie season. The upside on this guy is through the roof especially considering its the Saints offense. I prefer going for the homerun pick rather than the safe Matt Forte, Ahmad Bradshaw pick in the 3rd. Recent drafts show him not lasting into the 5th round.

 

[VikingFrog]

I must have missed LHUCKS projections in this thread?

...and I'm not talking about one of his infamous "ranges" where he goes out on a giant limb by saying "Ingram will get between 160 and 220 touches and will rush for somewhere in the neighborhood of 640 and 1100 yards for 5-10 touchdowns."

215 Carries 870 yards, 9 TDs15 receptions 120 yards, 1 TD

990 Total Yards, 10 TDs

Putting him near Emmit Smith's rookie numbers.

Good production for a rookie runningback, terrible production for an overhyped RB being reached on in the second and third round. I like my second and third rounders to have a high ceiling...not a low one.

P.S. projecting static totals for ff purposes is an antiquated methodology

Not sure where you're seeing this. Grabbed him in the 5th round of my big league this weekend. I've seen him go early 4th before, never 2nd/3rd.

Reminds me of people bashing others for taking Peterson in the 2nd-3rd round in his rookie season. The upside on this guy is through the roof especially considering its the Saints offense. I prefer going for the homerun pick rather than the safe Matt Forte, Ahmad Bradshaw pick in the 3rd. Recent drafts show him not lasting into the 5th round.

I had to take him in the fourth, and this was weeks ago. Running backs were flying off the board and I was upside down drafting. Took him before Best, Felix, Ryan Matthews, and Fred Jackson.Did I take him too early? Maybe. But I'm shooting for the home run at Running back as well and I think he has that potential. If I was drafting today I'd probably take Felix at that spot after seeing his preseason performances, but I had not, so I did not.

 

[unckeyherb]

I took him in the 3rd of our 2 man keeper (5th round redraft) and was told I reached. Crazy people. I have tempered thoughts, but I think 1200 yards from scrimmage, 30ish catches and 8 TDs are realistic and great for my RB3. I also think that is his floor and the ceiling is very high.

 

[oukurt]

I took him in the 3rd of our 2 man keeper (5th round redraft) and was told I reached. Crazy people. I have tempered thoughts, but I think 1200 yards from scrimmage, 30ish catches and 8 TDs are realistic and great for my RB3. I also think that is his floor and the ceiling is very high.

I love the experts that tell you how you are reaching while they just keep following who the Draft Dominator tells them who to pick. It is funny. Those projections are close to what I have. Very attainable. I am very comfortable having him as my RB 2. Will see.

 

[rizzler]

Very small sample size, but Ingram is only averaging 2.9ypc this preseason.

Not very exciting.

He has the potential to be a TD machine, but tonight may have shown that this may not be the complete truth either (rotation at goalline)

A situation to monitor for sure.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Got Ingram at 5.1 tonight (12 team, non-ppr, redraft). Consider me on the bandwagon.

I do regret taking Winslow instead of Pierre in the 9th though. I think Ingram is tough and will play through minor injuries, and is much more talented than Thomas, but at that point in the draft, he was my only RB I could still get insurance for.

 

[oukurt]

Got Ingram at 5.1 tonight (12 team, non-ppr, redraft). Consider me on the bandwagon.I do regret taking Winslow instead of Pierre in the 9th though. I think Ingram is tough and will play through minor injuries, and is much more talented than Thomas, but at that point in the draft, he was my only RB I could still get insurance for.

good point. My current slow draft is in the 9th round. I am hoping Pierre makes it to me. I would feel better having the handcuff here and I am not a big handcuff guy.

 

[degenerate]

got both for $12 total (10 and 2) in my 10 team $200 cap .5ppr auction as my rb3

 

[Kenny Powers]

Got Ingram at 5.1 tonight (12 team, non-ppr, redraft). Consider me on the bandwagon.I do regret taking Winslow instead of Pierre in the 9th though. I think Ingram is tough and will play through minor injuries, and is much more talented than Thomas, but at that point in the draft, he was my only RB I could still get insurance for.

good point. My current slow draft is in the 9th round. I am hoping Pierre makes it to me. I would feel better having the handcuff here and I am not a big handcuff guy.

I was actually surprised to see Pierre go there, but it was after his ADP now that I look back at it. I really wasnt targetting Ingram, but when he fell to me, I couldnt pass him up. And in a fluid draft, it was hard to really think about Pierre. I was able to get McGahee about 20 picks after Pierre went (and without Ingram, I def prefer Willis) and Ricky Williams a couple rounds after that.I think Pierre is solid, but I am honestly surprised his ADP is this high. If I didnt own Ingram, Id have little interest in him.

 

[rascal]

FWIW, in my 10 team auction league I got Ingram for $18 out of a $200 budget. Somebody else decided to go all the way to $15 for Pierre.

 

[Short Corner]

Got Ingram at 5.1 tonight (12 team, non-ppr, redraft). Consider me on the bandwagon.I do regret taking Winslow instead of Pierre in the 9th though. I think Ingram is tough and will play through minor injuries, and is much more talented than Thomas, but at that point in the draft, he was my only RB I could still get insurance for.

good point. My current slow draft is in the 9th round. I am hoping Pierre makes it to me. I would feel better having the handcuff here and I am not a big handcuff guy.

I was actually surprised to see Pierre go there, but it was after his ADP now that I look back at it. I really wasnt targetting Ingram, but when he fell to me, I couldnt pass him up. And in a fluid draft, it was hard to really think about Pierre. I was able to get McGahee about 20 picks after Pierre went (and without Ingram, I def prefer Willis) and Ricky Williams a couple rounds after that.I think Pierre is solid, but I am honestly surprised his ADP is this high. If I didnt own Ingram, Id have little interest in him.

His ADP is 5.03 and he fell to you at 5.01?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Got Ingram at 5.1 tonight (12 team, non-ppr, redraft). Consider me on the bandwagon.I do regret taking Winslow instead of Pierre in the 9th though. I think Ingram is tough and will play through minor injuries, and is much more talented than Thomas, but at that point in the draft, he was my only RB I could still get insurance for.

good point. My current slow draft is in the 9th round. I am hoping Pierre makes it to me. I would feel better having the handcuff here and I am not a big handcuff guy.

I was actually surprised to see Pierre go there, but it was after his ADP now that I look back at it. I really wasnt targetting Ingram, but when he fell to me, I couldnt pass him up. And in a fluid draft, it was hard to really think about Pierre. I was able to get McGahee about 20 picks after Pierre went (and without Ingram, I def prefer Willis) and Ricky Williams a couple rounds after that.I think Pierre is solid, but I am honestly surprised his ADP is this high. If I didnt own Ingram, Id have little interest in him.

His ADP is 5.03 and he fell to you at 5.01?

Good point, RBs go early in my league though, no one slides very far, and I took him as a RB3 behind Peterson and DeAngelo. At that point, I wanted upside, and Ingram IMO has much more of that than any other RBs going at that point of the draft. Also, there was no value at WR or QB, so it was an easy pick. By the sound of it though, in leagues with smart fantasy players, he's going a round if not more earlier than that ADP anyway. Maybe I thought he "fell" to me because the 4 picks before my turn were Maclin, Dez, Stevie Johnson, and Welker and I was astonished that DWill and Ingram both landed in my lap, but the RBs who also went in the 5th were BJGE, Hightower, Knowshon, Benson, and Grant so I feel pretty good with Ingram at that point. Knowshon and Hightower (who I thought had at least another round to go) are the only 2 that even approach Ingram IMO.

 

[C-Bound]

Very small sample size, but Ingram is only averaging 2.9ypc this preseason.Not very exciting. He has the potential to be a TD machine, but tonight may have shown that this may not be the complete truth either (rotation at goalline)A situation to monitor for sure.

Exactly. Ingram hasn't played a real down in the NFL yet. Talent, blah blah, etc. Pierre has done it already and done it well on a PPG basis. Ingram's got a long way to go at this point.

 

[Sabertooth]

Very small sample size, but Ingram is only averaging 2.9ypc this preseason.Not very exciting. He has the potential to be a TD machine, but tonight may have shown that this may not be the complete truth either (rotation at goalline)A situation to monitor for sure.

Exactly. Ingram hasn't played a real down in the NFL yet. Talent, blah blah, etc. Pierre has done it already and done it well on a PPG basis. Ingram's got a long way to go at this point.

This sounds like sour grapes to me.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I am loving the Ingram hate. Keep em' comin guys!

Word on Ingram's draft value last week was you couldn't get him if you waited till the 4th round. Now he'll be available in the 5th and maybe 6th by the time my labor day draft comes. Ingram is crazy value, even though I snagged him in the middle 5th round a couple weeks ago, he may get cheaper. Pierre Thomas is just another average back that is no better than Julius Jones or Chris Ivory. Way overrated by this board, and strictly a handcuff. I want no parts of Thomas in the 9th round. Too expensive for a handcuff that offers no flex play upside on his own. However, I do want to secure Darren Sproles around the 12th round, as he'll be a decent flex play any given week with his receiving skills in my PPR league.

 

[C-Bound]

Very small sample size, but Ingram is only averaging 2.9ypc this preseason.Not very exciting. He has the potential to be a TD machine, but tonight may have shown that this may not be the complete truth either (rotation at goalline)A situation to monitor for sure.

Exactly. Ingram hasn't played a real down in the NFL yet. Talent, blah blah, etc. Pierre has done it already and done it well on a PPG basis. Ingram's got a long way to go at this point.

This sounds like sour grapes to me.

Nope just too early to annoint him in redrafts.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

His ADP is 5.03 and he fell to you at 5.01?

I'd stay 5.01 is a steal at this point in the preseason. The secret is out on the kid. I'm sick of Rotoworld showering praise on him all the time. It's killing any value you can get for him.

Mark Ingram rushed six times for seven yards and a touchdown and added two receptions for 24 yards against the Raiders in the third preseason game.

Ingram and Darren Sproles played the first series, Pierre Thomas came on with Sproles for the second series, and Ingram came back for the third before Drew Brees was pulled. Ingram showed impressive RAC ability on a third-and-long screen pass that picked up a first down. Both Ingram and Thomas scored 1-yard touchdowns, though by all accounts Ingram will be the primary red-zone back. A tough runner with excellent vision and the ability to shoot through small holes, Ingram is a darkhorse candidate to lead the NFL in TDs as a rookie.

 

[Rick James]

Very small sample size, but Ingram is only averaging 2.9ypc this preseason.Not very exciting. He has the potential to be a TD machine, but tonight may have shown that this may not be the complete truth either (rotation at goalline)A situation to monitor for sure.

Exactly. Ingram hasn't played a real down in the NFL yet. Talent, blah blah, etc. Pierre has done it already and done it well on a PPG basis. Ingram's got a long way to go at this point.

This sounds like sour grapes to me.

Nope just too early to annoint him in redrafts.

again, the guy is going 4th/5th round....no one's "announting him", Mr. Pierre Thomas owner.

 

[shader]

My projections are 1,000 yards rushing, 200 receiving and 13 touchdowns.

His upside is FAR higher.

Pierre Thomas goes down, this is a 1500 yard, 15-18 touchdown back in this system.

 

[Funkley]

I wouldnt count on him being there in the 4th/5th. He went middle of the 3rd in my 12 team on Saturday and 2-3 other guys said they were taking him next.

 

[Short Corner]

I wouldnt count on him being there in the 4th/5th. He went middle of the 3rd in my 12 team on Saturday and 2-3 other guys said they were taking him next.

I got him at 5.12. I don't think the value is there in the 2nd-3rd. Would rather take guys with higher floors at that point.

 

[Rick James]

I wouldnt count on him being there in the 4th/5th. He went middle of the 3rd in my 12 team on Saturday and 2-3 other guys said they were taking him next.

I got him at 5.12. I don't think the value is there in the 2nd-3rd. Would rather take guys with higher floors at that point.

same, well 5.11, for me