I Am the Stig
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@Saints: Pierre Thomas, Curtis Lofton & Keenan Lewis are probable for Monday. Injury Report: http://t.co/rXor357K1n #BALvsNO http://t.co/m7FYVkqw8i
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just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Come on man! Try harder!
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Getting hit in the backfield.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Holy Run D
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
He lost himself some $$$$ with those runs. The Crow woulda gotten them in.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
its not gonna be a stellar night...the pass is the way to beat the Ravens
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
7 rushes for 0. Glad my game doesn't mean anything this week.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
not very angry this week
steelerfan1
Footballguy
how confident are we feeling about ingram against the steelers next week?
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Bad game but he still commanded the majority of RB carries 11-5 over PT and managed 2 catches on top of that. He got several opportunities inside the 5 and just failed to convert. Could have been a 2 TD night but the fact that it wasn't is on him (particularly on that reception) NO couldn't establish anything on the ground and were playing from behind a lot so Evil Payton took over abandoned the run game a little early.
Still like him ROS and will start him with confidence.
Still like him ROS and will start him with confidence.
rdrouyn
Footballguy
Steelers run D is not great, so I think he will be fine.
People freaked out about the 10 for 15 against Detroit and he was fine afterwards.
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HittinHard
Footballguy
Not worried,the Ravens D is pretty strong against the run.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
The problem is when PT is in BAL simply teed off and blitzed Brees. I hate these one dimensional backs, there is no mystery to what the play is.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Pierre isnt one dimensional, to be honest he looked more explosive than Ingram.
Ingram 11 for 27 and 2 catches for 15 yards.
Thomas 5 for 19 and 6 catches for 37 yards
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
As an Ingram owner it pains me to say it, but I'd agree. PT looked like the better RB last night. To be fair, it appeared to me that Ingram was getting blown up in the backfield a lot more than PT was, but that Oline in general looked very, very weak. Being a new Brees owner via trade, it kind of shocked me TBH.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Seems he hasn't been the same runner the past few weeks (since he hurt his shoulder). I think you have to look for better options and as he's going to be very TD dependent.
The RBs aren't really one dimensional- the play calling is (although they seem to be incorporating Ingram into the passing game a little bit at least).
Update?at any concern about Ingram losing touches because of PT.
Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram
He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Update?
Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram
He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload
Chaka
Footballguy
They ran the ball the second fewest times they had all season and Ingram led in carries 11-5.Update?
Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram
He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload
Your point?
I guess explosion is a relative term...as PT wasnt at all explosive in my book. More like efficiently slow.
As noted in a previous post...Brees' pass to Ingram at the 2 didnt put MI in a good spot, but he sure didnt look very athletic in hauling it in.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
You know his point as all he said was "update" and you kind of look like it upset you with your comment. I think its funny after your comment that you claim not to know his point.They ran the ball the second fewest times they had all season and Ingram led in carries 11-5.Update?
Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram
He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload
Your point?
The point is and you know this, Thomas has an impact on Ingram. Not a debate, its pretty much fact as Thomas got more snaps and has just two touches less then Ingram but had better results.
By my math, Thomas has an impact on Ingram.
Chaka
Footballguy
You are free to interpret my response however you like but I never said PT wouldn't have an impact on Ingram. What I said is that Ingram will lose touches and that I think Ingram losing touches to PT is a good thing. I thought I was clear about that. What is not good is what happened to the Saints offense last night.You know his point as all he said was "update" and you kind of look like it upset you with your comment. I think its funny after your comment that you claim not to know his point.They ran the ball the second fewest times they had all season and Ingram led in carries 11-5.Update?
Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram
He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload
Your point?
The point is and you know this, Thomas has an impact on Ingram. Not a debate, its pretty much fact as Thomas got more snaps and has just two touches less then Ingram but had better results.
By my math, Thomas has an impact on Ingram.
The Ravens dominated the Saints line, Payton abandoned the run and both backs had poor games on limited touches. [SIZE=14.2857141494751px]Ingram was going to have a bad game last night regardless of whether PT was in the game or not. And let's be fair about it Payton gave Ingram several opportunities to turn a bad night into a great fantasy night, Ingram just failed to capitalize (particularly on that reception, I fault the line just as much as Ingram for the failed goal line dive).[/SIZE]
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Correct- you said it would be a good thing for Ingram, and went so far as to laugh at people who thought otherwise.You are free to interpret my response however you like but I never said PT wouldn't have an impact on Ingram. What I said is that Ingram will lose touches and that I think Ingram losing touches to PT is a good thing. I thought I was clear about that. What is not good is what happened to the Saints offense last night.You know his point as all he said was "update" and you kind of look like it upset you with your comment. I think its funny after your comment that you claim not to know his point.They ran the ball the second fewest times they had all season and Ingram led in carries 11-5.Update?
Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram
He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload
Your point?
The point is and you know this, Thomas has an impact on Ingram. Not a debate, its pretty much fact as Thomas got more snaps and has just two touches less then Ingram but had better results.
By my math, Thomas has an impact on Ingram.
The Ravens dominated the Saints line, Payton abandoned the run and both backs had poor games on limited touches. [SIZE=14.2857141494751px]Ingram was going to have a bad game last night regardless of whether PT was in the game or not. And let's be fair about it Payton gave Ingram several opportunities to turn a bad night into a great fantasy night, Ingram just failed to capitalize (particularly on that reception, I fault the line just as much as Ingram for the failed goal line dive).[/SIZE]
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
he never seems angry when thomas is in the game -- maybe the guy's givin' him footrubs, or something
I own Ingram- I'm certainly not piling on, just being realistic. Having other RBs take away touches from him is the opposite of a good thing.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I wasn't expecting much against Baltimore. I'll still roll him out through the fantasy playoffs.
Long term: I will let someone else draft him next year because I can see others overpaying based on his 2014 performance. I'm happy with his production this year given how cheap he was draft day, but I haven't seen anything I would reach for next year.
Long term: I will let someone else draft him next year because I can see others overpaying based on his 2014 performance. I'm happy with his production this year given how cheap he was draft day, but I haven't seen anything I would reach for next year.
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
rdrouyn
Footballguy
His shoulder has been hurt since the Carolina game, I believe. He's had good games since, so i think you are wrong.
Futz
Footballguy
Listen guys, he didn't all of sudden become a RB2 or 3. He had a very predictable bad game and many of us suggested to sit him this past week. He's not matchup proof because he just doesn't get enough receptions. Pittsburgh provides a middle of the road matchup and he's back on the starting radar and should continue to remain there.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
So, people are now acting concerned even though Ingram is still likely to get 2/3 of the RB carries, a couple catches, and the goal-line work on one of the most explosive offenses in the league with a great schedule down the stretch.
Really? I found it encouraging that the Saints gave him 3 cracks from the goal-line early on. Granted, he got hit in the backfield on them, but it's clear he's the guy who'll be called on to score from there.
Ingram wasn't going to hold up getting the workload he's gotten the past month, and even the most optimistic Ingram owners knew that. Thomas was on the field more yesterday because they were playing from behind and he's the pass catching back. Just like Cadet was when Thomas was out. The only difference was that Thomas got a few carries in those situations while Cadet didn't.
If the Saints are up or even in a game, I'd expect Ingram to have an even bigger share of the workload, and he'll still be very successful if the O-line isn't manhandled like they were last night.
Really? I found it encouraging that the Saints gave him 3 cracks from the goal-line early on. Granted, he got hit in the backfield on them, but it's clear he's the guy who'll be called on to score from there.
Ingram wasn't going to hold up getting the workload he's gotten the past month, and even the most optimistic Ingram owners knew that. Thomas was on the field more yesterday because they were playing from behind and he's the pass catching back. Just like Cadet was when Thomas was out. The only difference was that Thomas got a few carries in those situations while Cadet didn't.
If the Saints are up or even in a game, I'd expect Ingram to have an even bigger share of the workload, and he'll still be very successful if the O-line isn't manhandled like they were last night.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Watch out for games where the Saints are likely to be playing from behind, and especially if also against a good rush D. Doesn't seem like that combo is left ahead in the next four games, but they are facing four offenses that they could easily be playing catch up or keep up with in games, meaning more passing and more PT cruiser (if healthy).
CAR/CHI look safer than PIT/ATL in terms of the catch up / keep up concept. Batten down the hatches if you've been riding Ingram hard the last month.
CAR/CHI look safer than PIT/ATL in terms of the catch up / keep up concept. Batten down the hatches if you've been riding Ingram hard the last month.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
the same people who were panicking when he was playing lights out are the same ones still panicking now that P.T is back...go figurechad in Indy
Footballguy
I don't think the Colts are gonna go anywhere near Ingram after the debacle of Richardson....I hope. I just don't see him as a big talent. Don't think he has great vision and isnt a threat to take it to the house ever. His career long is only 35 yds. He's a decent RB, but that's all I see.
