Mark Ingram (2 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

The Saints won't be behind far enough in this game to get away from Ingram. The Bears have stunk at home all year, and oddly enough the Saints have been a better team on the road than at home this year.

On the other side though, Ingram's ceiling is a lot lower than before. When everyone was hurt his ceiling was a top 5 back any given week. Now his ceiling is probably a low end rb1 or high end rb2.

Unless Payton is going to change his ways with his running backs, which I highly doubt. I would like to see Ingram go to a good team as a back that will get about 60 percent of the backfield touches.

 

[unckeyherb]

I'm going with him over Lacy. Expecting 70ish rushing, 2-3 receptions for another 20 and about a 50/50 shot at a TD.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

18 and 16 weeks 1 and 2. I don't think having other rbs healthy caps his upside

 

[msudaisy26]

18 and 16 weeks 1 and 2. I don't think having other rbs healthy caps his upside

N it really does. Those weeks he had under 15 touches. When everyone was hurt he was getting 20 + touches and his ceiling was 20 + points.

 

[Milkman]

I think we're done here now. This guy is in a terrible 3 RB system.

 

[The Kerminator]

It was a fun ride while it lasted.

 

[Milkman]

Pray for a GL carry or two.

 

[Archer]

Pray he goes to a new team next year where they will actually use him

 

[fred_1_15301]

Well hopefully they run it a lot in the 2nd half. Ugh

 

[humpback]

Can't get out of NO fast enough.

 

[Milkman]

Meh even when he gets out he's not that talented. He could still go to a great situation though.

 

[Steelers4Life]

The stretch of games where they fed him the ball while Thomas and Robinson were hurt will ultimately earn him a nice opportunity and a decent payday after this season is over.

 

[humpback]

Meh even when he gets out he's not that talented. He could still go to a great situation though.

He's plenty talented.

 

[msudaisy26]

What are some good landing spots for him?

 

[Milkman]

Meh even when he gets out he's not that talented. He could still go to a great situation though.

He's plenty talented.

Cool story bro.

 

[humpback]

Meh even when he gets out he's not that talented. He could still go to a great situation though.

He's plenty talented.

Cool story bro.

Great contribution from you, as usual.

 

[Bojang0301]

What are some good landing spots for him?

Giants, Cowboys, Seahawks, Cardinals, Vikings

 

[humpback]

What are some good landing spots for him?

Things changes so quickly so it depends on what happens in other spots, but for instance if Murray leaves Dallas, that would be ideal. Indy, Seattle (if the move on from Lynch), Baltimore, Atlanta, Minnesota, San Diego, etc. would all be pretty good.

 

[Reegus]

Meh even when he gets out he's not that talented. He could still go to a great situation though.

He's plenty talented.

Cool story bro.

Great contribution from you, as usual.

That's all milkman does is goes into different player threads and #####.

 

[msudaisy26]

I disagree about the Vikings, but the rest sound good. What about the Ravens?

 

[msudaisy26]

I like the Atlanta idea too.

 

[Bojang0301]

I disagree about the Vikings, but the rest sound good. What about the Ravens?

Vikings would be perfect... Yes McKinnon looked good but also still has some learning curve and got hurt. Norv would be great for Ingram.

 

[Steelers4Life]

I like the Atlanta idea too.

Love that one. San Diego and Baltimore too.

Anywhere that'll actually utilize a power running game and let him get into a rhythm every game will be just fine.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Pierre in at the goal line. Unreal

 

[humpback]

Pierre in at the goal line. Unreal

I wouldn't be shocked if he flips out at some point. Robinson was in at the goal line on their 1st TD, and then when he comes in on 2nd down this time, they pass. He finally got a carry on 3rd down, but was swarmed in the backfield by half the defense. Zero targets in the passing game either.

 

[msudaisy26]

I hated that play call. Out if the gun and run a misdirection? That isn't what Ingram is good at.

Sean Payton's shtick of thinking he is smarter than everyone else is getting old.

 

[stbugs]

I hated that play call. Out if the gun and run a misdirection? That isn't what Ingram is good at.

Sean Payton's shtick of thinking he is smarter than everyone else is getting old.

Reminded me of CJ Anderson yesterday. 9 yard run on first down (averaged over 5 ypc on that drive) and then 2 bad passes and a FG. Next drive, they decide to run 3 plays at the 1, but instead of going extra OL like they had been doing well the past few weeks, they put Thompson and CJ in the backfield and Thompson never "blocked" on 2nd and 3rd, so it was like they lost an extra blocker trying to be cute with the misdirection.

If you have a hammer, just hammer it and give the guys their opportunities without playing around.

 

[stbugs]

It would be nice if they threw the ball to Ingram more like they had been doing. The Bears are playing run against Ingram every play and he had no chance on that play.

 

[humpback]

at any concern about Ingram losing touches because of PT.

Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram

He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload

Update?

They ran the ball the second fewest times they had all season and Ingram led in carries 11-5.

Your point?

Update?

 

[humpback]

Up by 16 with ~5:30 left in the game, they pass on 1st down, then give the fullback his 3rd carry of the season on 2nd down, then throw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 2.

 

[chauncey]

:towel:

 

[BigSteelThrill]

17-59-1

Consider: the defense sold out enough to the run to have Brees 22 of 24 at one point.

 

[Steelers4Life]

I understand that the Bears have a league average run defense and a piss poor pass defense. But Payton's play calling is awful and his unwillingness to stick to the running game will ultimately cost them when it matters.

Ingram's going to go somewhere with an offense geared towards the power running game. Not sure why the Saints drafted him when they clearly don't despite Ingram showing what he could do with more carries earlier this year.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Colts should cut Richardson, sign Ingram, draft OL, profit.

Although as a Luck owner I kind of hope they don't.

 

[Milkman]

Indy would be ideal. Just have to wait and see.

 

[renesauz]

Almost anywhere would be better. Watching the game tonight was a painful reminder of the last couple of years. He's coming on and off the field every other play. When he's in, it's a run 80% of the time. When he's out, it's a pass 80% of the time. Too predictable with no chance to get in a groove. And he STILL provided a reasonable stat line.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Almost anywhere would be better.

Agree with this. And yet Ingram is like 9th in points-per-game at RB.

 

[humpback]

I understand that the Bears have a league average run defense and a piss poor pass defense. But Payton's play calling is awful and his unwillingness to stick to the running game will ultimately cost them when it matters.

Ingram's going to go somewhere with an offense geared towards the power running game. Not sure why the Saints drafted him when they clearly don't despite Ingram showing what he could do with more carries earlier this year.

It's already cost them several games this year. It just doesn't seem to matter.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I made it to the finals with him on the bench, hes gonna be my toughest call of the week, he's sharing duties now, losing some goal work, and Brees is back to throwing really nice play action stuff.

He did run hard tho, there just wasnt any room as Chi Run D was not bad.

Atl Run D, hmm..

 

[stbugs]

Almost anywhere would be better. Watching the game tonight was a painful reminder of the last couple of years. He's coming on and off the field every other play. When he's in, it's a run 80% of the time. When he's out, it's a pass 80% of the time. Too predictable with no chance to get in a groove. And he STILL provided a reasonable stat line.

Agreed, I posted above the same thing. They should pass more when he is in there. It was clear that they played run when Ingram was in there and pass when Thomas was. When Thomas had a couple runs, no Bears were in the backfield because they are expecting a pass. When Ingram went it, there were tons of Bears in the backfield. He had 3 or 4 negative runs where he had no chance to make anything. I have to start him in one league where Jennings is likely done for next week or I can't trust him regardless. Let's hope the OL does a better job blocking and they aren't quite so predictable. It seems like they should do what the Packers do, run 2 full series with Ingram and then run 1 series with Thomas, it would make them way less predictable.

 

[JFS171]

Almost anywhere would be better. Watching the game tonight was a painful reminder of the last couple of years. He's coming on and off the field every other play. When he's in, it's a run 80% of the time. When he's out, it's a pass 80% of the time. Too predictable with no chance to get in a groove. And he STILL provided a reasonable stat line.

This is exactly right... spot on. They've done it for years with Ingram. Then earlier this year when Payton was literally out of other RBs (besides Cadet and Ingram), they treated him like a workhorse, mixed up the play-calling, threw him the ball a few times, and he was dominant.

Last night was a micro chasm of his entire career in NO (and PFF has the stats if you wanna look it up). NO runs 80% of the time Ingram is in the game, and the vast majority of it is against base D or 8 in the box, cause EVERYONE knows what's happening. When Pierre's in, they are much more balanced...

It's honestly mind-boggling that everyone else sees this BUT the Saints coaching staff. I'd be furious as a NO fan.

2015 -- Indy, Atlanta, Baltimore, San Diego... those are my hopes.

 

[msudaisy26]

I disagree about the Vikings, but the rest sound good. What about the Ravens?

Vikings would be perfect... Yes McKinnon looked good but also still has some learning curve and got hurt. Norv would be great for Ingram.

If it was just McKinnon I would agree, but Asiata is a very good short yardage and pass catching back.

 

[Chaka]

at any concern about Ingram losing touches because of PT.

Ingram has been averaging 30 touches per game since PT and Robinson went out. That kind of workload is obscene and will get him killed, he needs someone to come in and spell him. PT coming back is good news for Ingram

He'll be fine and continue to produce RB1 numbers with 20 touches per game. Personally I think he will be more effective with a reduced workload

Update?

They ran the ball the second fewest times they had all season and Ingram led in carries 11-5.

Your point?

Update?

Update?

 

[humpback]

Update- Pierre and Robinson combined for 5 carries and 7 receptions for 114 total yards this week. Do you still think it is a good thing for Ingram's production that they are back?

 

[Warhogs]

I have some concern over watching last night. I have a championship game where I need to start 2 of Foster, Lacy and Ingram. Foster draws a tough run defense but I don't think I can sit him over Ingram who has a nice match-up due to my concern of the split workload. I'll be thinking on that one for a couple of days.

 

[unckeyherb]

I have some concern over watching last night. I have a championship game where I need to start 2 of Foster, Lacy and Ingram. Foster draws a tough run defense but I don't think I can sit him over Ingram who has a nice match-up due to my concern of the split workload. I'll be thinking on that one for a couple of days.

I'm in the exact same boat. Can start 2/3 of those guys with A. Brown and ODB. My choice falls to the 1/3 RB or Mike Evans at that point. Leaning towards the RBs, FWIW.

 

[Lascelle]

Am I absolutely crazy to think that Joseph Randle is a better start than Mark Ingram this week if Murray is ruled out? Even with that cake Falcons matchup? I know the consensus rankers will have Ingram higher but I can't help but be concerned.

 

[travdogg]

Am I absolutely crazy to think that Joseph Randle is a better start than Mark Ingram this week if Murray is ruled out? Even with that cake Falcons matchup? I know the consensus rankers will have Ingram higher but I can't help but be concerned.

I have both, and I'd start Ingram if it comes to that, though I also have Fred Jackson and may go in that direction.

I don't think Randle is a bad option if Murray is out, but I think he is more likely top-15 than the top-3 guy Murray is. Ingram seems top-10ish to me, especially with Atlanta's borderline non-existent run defense.

 

[robertd52]

I too am a Ingram owner, likely deciding between him and FJax (### #### spiller activated this week!!!!)

Obviously everything stated is spot on....their predictable, decent run D from bears, not a ton of holes to get in game. That said, I thought he ran generally hard. I wouldn't call him special, but he does run with pretty good anger and is scrappy.

He did get 17 of saints 23 carries, and he has dominated the carries every game he has played this year (lowest being 50% in week 7 and 55% week 14 I believe).

First zero target game for Ingram all season in week 15, so it would seem unlikely to happen again in week 16 (averages 2 a game over 15 games).

All 15 games this year show he should get over 50% of all RB touches for Saints this week. Lots of them in bad situations. BUT, he is playing Atlanta. And NO did move the ball last week and youd think will do so against Atl too. Highest o/u game of week

Im thinking a floor of 10 (well for me anyway with .2 pc) with potential for 20+ (30s likely out of reach without great TD fortune)

Good luck....we're gonna need it.

 

[JFS171]

Forgot to mention BUF as a possible desitination, but I could see that. I know Bryce Brown is there, but it doesn't seem like he's taken the bull by the horns when FJax and Spiller were out. I'd bet Spiller is gone after this year (perhaps to the Saints?), and FJax would be another year older.

Ingram may thrive in an offense built around a power running game...