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Market Inefficiencies in the NFL (1 Viewer)

This year is illustrating that a top 5 pick is really not a good thing to have in today's NFL...thoughts on the article?

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...fl_free_agency/

Off the top of my homer head, Jerry Angelo seems to play by the "moneyball" rules...although the terrible pick of Benson in the top 5 speaks otherwise...
My thought is that it's not automatically bad to have a top 5 pick. The problem is, if you miss with the top 5 pick, it can set your franchise back for years. Mainly because you have to spend so much money to recover from the miss (probably on the position you drafted highly that was a "bust", got hurt, etc.) coupled with being hung with the top 5 contract is a huge double whammy - especially in a league with a salary cap. The main point about baseball GMs not being able to use their standard MO is obviously a good one, due to the financial ramifications of an early pick whiff.The other tough part is that many teams use such a high pick to draft a "franchise QB" - the highest paid position, yet hardest to extrapolate in terms of NFL success.

 
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I think the NFL and fantasy football have one huge thing in common about the draft. A high pick will probably not win you a title all alone, but a messed up high pick can destroy your team.

 
I think NFL General Managers play moneyball all the time, they just have a different set of ground rules, including a salary cap. They are always deciding how much to commit to a backup player vs. addressing a weakness at a starting position, how long to structure contracts, whether to go young or go after veterans or mix the two. They often have to make a judgment about how much to overpay to keep a particular person off the market if the team is weak at backup for that position.

In many respects I think baseball and football have similar scouting issues in that scouts like to evaluate what they can quantify, like speed, strength, etc. but it is harder to evaluate football skill, the ability to learn, determination of a player after he gets a big money contract, etc.

Moneyball in baseball is about drafting college players when the market overvalues high school players based on "projectability", then going back to drafting high school players when the market overreacts the other way. It's about paying for the skill of getting on base when the market is neglecting that and overpaying for power instead. When he lost Jason Giambi, he knew he couldn't afford a player with a .400 OBP and .550 SLG, so he got a first baseman (Scott Hatteburg) who could replace the OBP and looked to get the power at other positions (for example Jermaine Dye). The net cost was a lot less than trying to buy a free agent slugging first baseman.

Similary, Bill Walsh used to draft players who were thought of as not big enough or strong enough or fast enough at a position, but he saw other advantages. For example he would draft a running back who was thought to be not big enough, but who could catch, and use the back on passing downs. Or he'd draft a run stuffing defensive lineman and a pass rushing lineman, and platoon them as the play dictated. He greatly increased specialization on players. Obviously he didn't invent this, but he seemed to advance it more than others.

There is a problem with committing big money at the top of the NFL draft to a rookie -- $30 million guaranteed to a top pick has to be compared with what it would buy on the free agent market instead. I think some day soon we will see "signability" picks where the team makes a deal with a player at a number before the draft and overdafts rather than committing bigger money.

 
One thought: The New England Patriots love to draft at the end of the first round and in the 2nd round. They believe the best "value" for the rookies is there.

I believe the whole trick in the NFL is to acquire as much talent as possible while fitting under the salary cap. I don't think usually get great value spending on big ticket free agents. So the keys to success are:

1. drafting productive players, since they are relatively cheap (except the surper high picks)

2. Finding good depth and role players through the draft and undrafted free agents.

3. Finding more roles for these players based on the system you use.

 
Market inefficiencies are more exploited in free agency. This year is a prime example. Bottom dwellers and poorly managed teams will be the first ones to over pay unproven/questionable talents HUGE amounts of money in order to make a splash or out of desperation. In today's day and age the way to build a team is good coaching and rounds 2-7 in the NFL draft. This controls cap space and allows chemistry to form within an organization. The time to spend the big bucks is when you are trying to re-sign a franchise player or go after a guy that is proven to make an impact.

Not:

Tommy Kelly (who?)

Calvin Pace

Javon Walker

Bryant Johnson (soon to be)

Antwan Odom (product of Haynesworth)

.........many others I will not do the research to name

I root for the Lion's (sadly enough), but I am glad they haven't broke the bank for someone that is not worth it.

 

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