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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I am playing Maroney this week. I think he'll explode. I thought this last week as well however.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
twitch said:
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
It's cool that somebody posted a thread on this - we've all been wondering, and nobody's been talking about this.
twitch
Footballguy
not a bad thought. Sammy isnt quite up the Barber level though, imo. But a similar situation. More and more teams including Dallas, New England, and last year's Superbowl teams are finding alot of success with the committe approach. not great for fantasy football, but great if youre a fan of those teams. But I still think Laurence is going to sizzle against the really bad teams like Buffalo, Cinci and Cleveland. I should ammend that...I meant bad Ds.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree about Sammy, but Maroney is dancing and Sammy is pounding the ball near the goal line..
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Remorse... because Sammy Morris may be the play come playoff time (14-17).
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The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Morris is turned 30 in March. This has RBBC written all over it.Isn't Sammy Morris like 32 years old or something? This old man can't keep up the pounding all year -- no way. I'm optimistic that Maroney is getting eased into the role and will start coming on strong.... I hope.
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
Maroney is still hurt and was taken way too early in drafts. This has RBBC written all over it, and Maroney can be chalked up as a BUST compared to his ADP.
Exile
Footballguy
I've watched every play of both games so far and there isn't anything to indicate Maroney is still hurt.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
I never felt that Maroney was anything more than a good #3 back, in leagues with 12 teams or less.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I couldn't disagree more with the majority of these postings. I have been VERY impressed by his vision/running. There is no way this turns into a Dallas situation because he is more talented......by far. I think there is a lot of early season overreaction going on here. Come back week 7 or 8 and this conversation about Sammy Morris will be 
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
It is more than just Morris. NE has always used Kevin Faulk as their 3rd down, and receiving back... so he already has that working against him. They clearly like to throw Morris in there to change up the offense, and confuse the defense.... which is another strike agianst him. And last but not least.... he just doesn't seem to be versitile enough, or have enough explosiveness to put up great numbers with the carries that he is given.I don't think that Maroney can carry the full load on his own, and it doesn't seem like we will even find out.I couldn't disagree more with the majority of these postings. I have been VERY impressed by his vision/running. There is no way this turns into a Dallas situation because he is more talented......by far. I think there is a lot of early season overreaction going on here. Come back week 7 or 8 and this conversation about Sammy Morris will be
Marc Faletti
Footballguy
Most importantly, the Patriots don't want Maroney gassed by the playoffs. Morris will see plenty of time because they want to ensure Maroney's ready to rumble in December and January.
[And Sammy Morris is pretty darn good when he touches the ball about 10 times a game. He may not have the body to withstand a full load over the course of a year, but he can make a difference for the Pats.]
[And Sammy Morris is pretty darn good when he touches the ball about 10 times a game. He may not have the body to withstand a full load over the course of a year, but he can make a difference for the Pats.]
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Never thought Morris was this good. He looks terrific running the ball and hitting the hole hard. I expect 70/30 Maroney with Morris getting goal line carries.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
twitch said:
as defenses are sitting back to prevent the big play from Moss, Maroney will carve them up.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Maroney has been held out of a ton of plays. Against SD, Maroney was only in for 26 of 64 offensive plays. I suspect that number will increase when the team starts playing teams that are not the Chargers. Maroney will see more work in the future, the big question will be when he sees them and at what point on the field.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Anyone else think he's going to get more work as the season goes on? He didn't play much in the preseason and it seems the Patriots are still having fun with their latest toys.
Week 1 - He had 20 carries; tough to argue that.
Week 2 - Only got 15 carries, but the Pats were up 24-0 at halftime.
I like Maroney as an NFL RB, he might dissapoint somewhat in fantasy terms this season, but I don't thnk it will have anything to do with his talent.
In games where the Pats go up early or blow out their opponents (weeks 1 & 2), Maroney will probably get shut down quicker. Morris looks like a good backup and there is just no need to wear him down pointlessly, especially coming off of shoulder surgery.
When the game is close and they "need" to run the ball, I suspect you'll see a heavy dose of Maroney.
Week 2 - Only got 15 carries, but the Pats were up 24-0 at halftime.
I like Maroney as an NFL RB, he might dissapoint somewhat in fantasy terms this season, but I don't thnk it will have anything to do with his talent.
In games where the Pats go up early or blow out their opponents (weeks 1 & 2), Maroney will probably get shut down quicker. Morris looks like a good backup and there is just no need to wear him down pointlessly, especially coming off of shoulder surgery.
When the game is close and they "need" to run the ball, I suspect you'll see a heavy dose of Maroney.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He was only in for 26 plays out of 64.... and on 15 of those he got the ball, so that means 11 of those were either a handoff to the FB or a Pass. Im sure as he gets into more plays he will see more receptions. A LOT of people are jumping the gun, but from the looks of the MSG board early on....this is just what happens to the majority of the people here 
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
I agree he must be hurt still, its the only way to justify in my head why you wouldn't feed your 2nd year beast. I hope its just a "phase you back in" thing.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
They haven't exactly needed him to do much yet either. Of course, they may not need anything all year.
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
Pending trade alert: buddy in my league needs WR badly and is down on Maroney. He also has Lendale White.
I offered Chris Brown and Cotchery for Maroney and he "thinks he likes it", for what that's worth.
I played up the "Lendale is nicked up already" angle. Of course, I played up Sammy Morris as well.
I'm posting this not so you can rate my trade. The point is that Brown and Cotchery for Maroney a few weeks ago would be considered larcenous. It's been 2 weeks and Maroney's status has fallen in some owners' eyes that much.
I offered Chris Brown and Cotchery for Maroney and he "thinks he likes it", for what that's worth.
I played up the "Lendale is nicked up already" angle. Of course, I played up Sammy Morris as well.
I'm posting this not so you can rate my trade. The point is that Brown and Cotchery for Maroney a few weeks ago would be considered larcenous. It's been 2 weeks and Maroney's status has fallen in some owners' eyes that much.
Pocket Joker
Footballguy
Is this a redraft or dynasty? If it's redraft, I hate the deal for you. If dynasty, it would be a good move.
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
Redraft. Brown is my 4th/5th RB. Cotchery is my 4th WR. I don't see much downside potential. I do see a lot of upside. I'm in the camp that says Maroney will be utilized more and more as the season goes on. I think it's worth a shot at this price.
What most galls me as a Maroney owner is that I simply can't believe that Sammy Morris is just now going to become an effective enough runner to merit a 150-carry season. He's 30 years old, and when he was younger he wasn't able to wrest a #1 job from the likes of Shawn Bryson, Antowain Smith or Travis Minor. People can complain about Norwood, Jones-Drew, Bush, Barber and/or DeAngelo Williams having to split carries, but the guys they share with all have a lot better credentials than Sammy Morris. Morris is also not like Michael Turner or LaMont Jordan when he was with the Jets, someone whom everyone declared for a long time was too good to be a backup.
In the meantime, I'm playing Barber and McGahee, at least until Maroney gets 20 carries in a game and doesn't get pulled inside the 5.
In the meantime, I'm playing Barber and McGahee, at least until Maroney gets 20 carries in a game and doesn't get pulled inside the 5.
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
Those teams didn't have a shred of the offensive talent that the Pats currently have. I think Morris has always been a decent back but now he's on a team where a bunch of other guys have to be respected by defenses. This is why I still feel Maroney has a lot to offer. He's more talented than Morris and the defenses can't focus on him.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I agree..he'll soon get the huge workloads we've wanted..
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
Brady is taking his new toys for a test drive right now. I'm not saying they're going to morph into a power running team but the weather will get colder pretty soon and the ground game SHOULD start paying dividends. With the Moss deep thread, Watson running around the middle of the field, and Welker doing everything else, it's not unlike what Manning has going in Indy. And we like how that impacts Addai's success, right?
mdog1967
Footballguy
Why, why give him more work. If its working for NE now, why bust him up early in the season when they can have him fresh for the playoffs. Maroney is a good RB and I would be happy to have him, but its NE and they adapt to the game infront of them, with Tom Brady on pace for 40+ TD's why do they need to push Maroney to carry the team. I would put Sammy Morris in on every short Yardage and Goal Line play to extend the shelf like of Maroney. Too many weapons in New England, they dont have to be a Power Running team. Maroney should still finish as a top 25 RB to end the year.
mdog1967
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
its a great deal either way imo
Bossman
Footballguy
NE fan here.
Nice to talk about something other that "camera-gate".
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ahem... does anyone remember Corey Dillon?
It appears that Sammy Morris has stepped right into that vacated role.
As I recall, the Patriots were pretty agressive at signing Sammy Morris although I don't recall the details... I expect they intend to use him quite a bit.
Goal line duty is also being shared with FB Heath Evans so don't expect any work for Maroney there.
Even though he has the tallent, I'd expect similar numbers from Maroney as last year, nothing more.
Nice to talk about something other that "camera-gate".
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ahem... does anyone remember Corey Dillon?
It appears that Sammy Morris has stepped right into that vacated role.
As I recall, the Patriots were pretty agressive at signing Sammy Morris although I don't recall the details... I expect they intend to use him quite a bit.
Goal line duty is also being shared with FB Heath Evans so don't expect any work for Maroney there.
Even though he has the tallent, I'd expect similar numbers from Maroney as last year, nothing more.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Belichick is still treating Maroney with kid gloves, imo.
I see the main problem as Maroney not
recognizing the running lanes as quickly as he should.
Therefore not hitting them as they open up.
It's more of a mental issue than physical.
As a lifelong Patriots fan, I'm slightly concerned,
but I think some time in the film room should help.
I see the main problem as Maroney not
recognizing the running lanes as quickly as he should.
Therefore not hitting them as they open up.
It's more of a mental issue than physical.
As a lifelong Patriots fan, I'm slightly concerned,
but I think some time in the film room should help.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
In a dynasty league, Im trying to pull off sending Norwood and Desmnd Clark for Maroney, I have Sammy Morris allready. So it was either Go after Dunn or Maroney. But im starting to think id be better off keeping Clark, norwood and Morris.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
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Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
A Vick supporter who writes in haiku-ish form?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IMO, ain't gonna happen. Maroney will likely be capped at 20 carries a game. He may start getting more important carries and play a bigger role (receiving, when the game is on the line, near the goal line) but I doubt they will risk wearing him out. Their goal is to play 19 games and they want/need Maroney to stay healthy throughout.I would guess that Maroney will get 18-20 carries a game and probably 2 or 3 receptions once teams adjust to make it harder to pass to Moss and Welker all day. Not every back in the league will get 350 carries as some people would have it . . .
Lash
Footballguy
they are not confused, they are giddy with glee that Morris is in there and not MaroneyIt is more than just Morris. NE has always used Kevin Faulk as their 3rd down, and receiving back... so he already has that working against him. They clearly like to throw Morris in there to change up the offense, and confuse the defense.... which is another strike agianst him. And last but not least.... he just doesn't seem to be versitile enough, or have enough explosiveness to put up great numbers with the carries that he is given.I don't think that Maroney can carry the full load on his own, and it doesn't seem like we will even find out.I couldn't disagree more with the majority of these postings. I have been VERY impressed by his vision/running. There is no way this turns into a Dallas situation because he is more talented......by far. I think there is a lot of early season overreaction going on here. Come back week 7 or 8 and this conversation about Sammy Morris will be
ceo3west
Footballguy
Age isn't really a factor with Morris IMO - he has the mileage of a 24 year old RB.Morris is turned 30 in March. This has RBBC written all over it.Isn't Sammy Morris like 32 years old or something? This old man can't keep up the pounding all year -- no way. I'm optimistic that Maroney is getting eased into the role and will start coming on strong.... I hope.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Why would BB change what is working? Maroney will put up decent yardage, but have to get his TD's from 4-5 yards and out, and on 1st or 2nd down. Morris just looks like money in short yardage. Also uses Evans. Maroney is like the 3rd option at the GL. Faulk on 3rd down and in obvious passing situations.
Bottom line - Maroney will have nice yardage games but his TD projections need to be downgraded by 30+%.
Bottom line - Maroney will have nice yardage games but his TD projections need to be downgraded by 30+%.
ceo3west
Footballguy
This discussion has been going on for days, and it is clear that there are Maroney owners still in denial. Let's look at the facts against Maroney living up to his ADP:* BB is not holding him back "until he is 100%"; this is evidenced by the fact that LM got 7 carries on one drive at the end of the game when it was a blowout* The Dillon/Maroney combo worked GREAT last year, and at this point Morris is running better than Dillon did last year; please give me a legitimate reason why BB would increase Maroney's carries proportionate to Morris?* BB has said himself that he never stated that he had a "feature back"* At this point, it appears Morris is their short-yardage guy, which most likely includes GL carries* Maroney has 0 receptions in 2 games. With Moss & Stallworth strecthing the field, this leaves Welker & Watson underneath. It is apparent after 2 games that teams will struggle to contain these underneath guys all year long. This means very few receptions for RB's all year - particularly for Maroney, when he is removed for Faulk on 3rd down passing playsGive all this, Maroney will probably end up aroung 1200-1300 total yards and 4-7 TD's. Ok for an RB2, but no way are these RB1 numbers. Maroney will have his big games, but people need to look at this situation from an NFL perspective - barring catostrpohic injury to Morris or a sudden dropoff in performance, what possible reason does BB have to give Maroney proportionately more work? I'd like to know the answer - and not just because "Maroney is way more talented" or "once Maroney is healthy".If you really thought Morris was a "decent back" before this season, then I salute your acumen. I'm not sure what he's done in his seven-year career to earn that kind of review (the 16 yards per game? the 3.9 ypc?). I think that if you'd polled people before the season on which teams had the greatest talent gap between their nos. 1 and 2 backs, the Patriots would have come out pretty high.I find the "Morris has the legs of a 24-year old" argument unconvincing. Trung Canidate is the same age as Morris and has even fewer career carries, but teams appear not to be wowed by his fresh legs.
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
Not to go on too much of a tangent, but regarding Morris - it was more of what I saw when I watched him than the stats he put in the books. I always thought he ran hard and looked sharp. QBs he has played with - Flutie, Rob Johnson, Van Pelt, Feeley, Fiedler, Harrington, Culpepper (last year). Awful.He YPC, when he's gotten a decent amount of carries in a season, has always been higher than the other RB that he's been in timeshares with, including Ronnie Brown last year.So like I said, it was more what I saw than what his stats showed. It would be tough for any RB to put up good numbers with those "threats" at QB.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Right from Joe's random shots:
NE RB Maroney 4 yard rush to the 5
NE RB Maroney 2 yard rush to the 3 (Morris TD)
You can't go backwards in GL situations. Morris doesn't, Maroney often does.
NE RB Maroney 4 yard rush to the 5
NE RB Maroney 2 yard rush to the 3 (Morris TD)
You can't go backwards in GL situations. Morris doesn't, Maroney often does.
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