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burd

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lets talk Colston ...

has a great QB in Brees

plays in a passing offense

is the #1 WR on the team

Granted, hes coming back from an injury that hampered him most of last year. But, if Brees is predicted to be among the top QBs this year, production-wise, it would make sense for his #1 receiver to also have a big year. Right now FBG has him ranked anywhere from WR15-17, depending on scoring system, which puts him among Ocho, Braylon Edwards and Anthony GOnzalez. I think if Brees has the big year that most are predicting, Colston has a very good chance of hitting double-digit TDs. ANyone see Colston move up in redrafts? What # WR was he taken as?

 
lets talk Colston ...has a great QB in Breesplays in a passing offenseis the #1 WR on the teamGranted, hes coming back from an injury that hampered him most of last year. But, if Brees is predicted to be among the top QBs this year, production-wise, it would make sense for his #1 receiver to also have a big year. Right now FBG has him ranked anywhere from WR15-17, depending on scoring system, which puts him among Ocho, Braylon Edwards and Anthony GOnzalez. I think if Brees has the big year that most are predicting, Colston has a very good chance of hitting double-digit TDs. ANyone see Colston move up in redrafts? What # WR was he taken as?
In the drafts I've been in, somebody always reaches for Colston in the late 2nd/early 3rd so it's hard to get him at value. Besides the injury, one issue I see with Colston is that NO spreads the ball around so much that week-to-week consistency might be an issue - I can see a few monster games but a few 4-35 days too
 
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I don't think you are going to get him as the 15th WR taken in to many drafts. Closer to #10

I have a big gap between him and the next player which is Bowe.

Just because FBG has him ranked there does not mean that is where they have to be drafted

 
I don't think you are going to get him as the 15th WR taken in to many drafts. Closer to #10

I have a big gap between him and the next player which is Bowe.

Just because FBG has him ranked there does not mean that is where they have to be drafted
thats exactly why i asked where hes being drafted

 
Three weeks into camp, he's had zero problems with the reconstructed knee. I'm buying Colston. He belongs on the list of the top 10 stud WR's.

Randy Moss

Larry Fitzgerald

Calvin Johnson

Andre Johnson

Marques Colston

Steve Smith

Reggie Wayne

Greg Jennings

Anquan Boldin

Roddy White

Not necessarily that order, but something like that.

 
Colston is solidly in tier 2 among Wayne, Jennings, Smith, and Boldin. I can't say he should be taken over those guys. He's certainly behind the Johnsons and Fitz. So #9 seems right to me. 15 is too low.

 
Colstons value lies in his TDs. He's not a big yardage guy. With that said.. I see him at about 1200-1300 yards 10tds. Hes a top 10 WR.

 
In a 12 team re-draft (non-PPR, 1 pt-10 yds rec, 6 pt TD) last night, Colston was the 9th WR off the board at 03.05, a pick after Wayne, and picked just before Roddy White and Brandon Marshall.

Personally, I have him ranked at WR10.

 
Would you rather have S. Smith or M. Colston in a keeper? Smith is getting old and has Del-Owned throwing to him. Colston has Brees. Granted, the Saints have more options and Smith is pretty much it in the passing game in Carolina. Thoughts?

 
Would you rather have S. Smith or M. Colston in a keeper? Smith is getting old and has Del-Owned throwing to him. Colston has Brees. Granted, the Saints have more options and Smith is pretty much it in the passing game in Carolina. Thoughts?
saw this posted on Sportsline's Rapid Report page about a minute ago... 12:49 ET Panthers WR missed some;drills at the end of practice, but is fine coach John Fox said. "It's a range of motion thing, sort of tweaked his shoulder. It's not a setback though," Fox said. i like Smith but he's even more of an injury-risk as he gets older. I appreciate the way he goes all out to catch the ball, but he puts his body out there and often times, things like this happen. I'd rather have Colston
 
gpthatsme said:
Would you rather have S. Smith or M. Colston in a keeper? Smith is getting old and has Del-Owned throwing to him. Colston has Brees. Granted, the Saints have more options and Smith is pretty much it in the passing game in Carolina. Thoughts?
I guess it depends on what kind of keeper league it is. Dynasty? Probably Colston. A keeper league where you can only keep a few players or can only keep players for so many years, I'd probably go Smith. Nothing against Colston, but when healthy, Smith is the #1 WR in the game IMO. There's nobody in the NFL that is more dangerous than Smith with the ball in his hands. Yeah, he probably only has a couple more years of top performance left, but I try never to look ahead more than that anyway in most keeper leagues.
 
So at 3.01, do you take Colston in a .5 PPR to pair with AP and Ryan Grant?

Or do you take Kevin Smith and lock up your RBs and your Flex?

Or a QB like Manning to lock down that position? So many variables this year that you have to wonder if it is better to take somebody else later instead.

 
So at 3.01, do you take Colston in a .5 PPR to pair with AP and Ryan Grant?Or do you take Kevin Smith and lock up your RBs and your Flex?Or a QB like Manning to lock down that position? So many variables this year that you have to wonder if it is better to take somebody else later instead.
I'm torn because I believe with the 5th pick in the 3rd round (pick # 29 overall), I will have to choose between Colston and Pierre Thomas.Not sure which way to go on that one (particularly since my plan is QB(Brady)/RB in the 1st 2 rounds).
 
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burd said:
swirvenirvin said:
I don't think you are going to get him as the 15th WR taken in to many drafts. Closer to #10

I have a big gap between him and the next player which is Bowe.

Just because FBG has him ranked there does not mean that is where they have to be drafted
thats exactly why i asked where hes being drafted
imho, fbg's has him ranked far far too low.
 
So at 3.01, do you take Colston in a .5 PPR to pair with AP and Ryan Grant?Or do you take Kevin Smith and lock up your RBs and your Flex?Or a QB like Manning to lock down that position? So many variables this year that you have to wonder if it is better to take somebody else later instead.
Colston all day.
 
not drinking the Colston Kool Aid. the only value plays in the Saints passing attack are Shockey & Meachem (late, late round)

 
If Colston is healthy (and it appears that he is) he should have no problem being in the top 5 this season. He's an absolute BEAST and in a high octane offense.

 
If I end up with Colton in my re-draft auction league I will likely pick up Meacham as well. I know you're not supposed to handcuff receivers, but I think in this case it makes sense.

 
not drinking the Colston Kool Aid. the only value plays in the Saints passing attack are Shockey & Meachem (late, late round)
Schockey may not be top TE on team and Meacham has some value if he can get on the field as #3 WR.I like Colston as a 2-3rnd pick. Payton will throw the ball all day on Sunday and get Colston in great matchups.
 
not drinking the Colston Kool Aid. the only value plays in the Saints passing attack are Shockey & Meachem (late, late round)
I'm definitely into drafting for value but getting Shockey as the #12 TE (82 pts) and getting TE8 production (91 pts) or Meachum WR74 and getting WR43 value out of them is great but at the end of the day they aren't going to help you win a championship. Colston may not be the same "value" but he has a much better chance of winning you a championship.
 
So much for getting Colston at a bargin. *sigh* If only my draft was yesterday afternoon instead of next Saturday afternoon....

 
I found the Colston vs. Steve Smith sub-debate in this thread interesting.

Colston has only played 3 seasons vs Smith's 7 seasons (not counting the year he missed all but 1 game).....but Smith has only outproduced Colston's 2007 year (his best) once in his career.

The key with Colston is health. If healthy, I have no doubt that he will outproduce Smith.

Steve Smith

2001: 10 catches, 154 yds, 0 TDs (15 games played, 1 started)

2002: 54 catches, 872 yds, 3 TDs (15 games played, 13 started)

2003: 88 catches, 1110 yds, 7 TDs (16 games played, 11 started)

2004: injured all but 1 game

2005: 103 catches, 1563 yds, 12 TDs (16 games played, 16 started)

2006: 83 catches, 1166 yds, 8 TDs (14 games played, 14 started)

2007: 87 catches, 1002 yds, 7 TDs (15 games played, 15 started)

2008: 78 catches, 1421 yds, 6 TDs (14 games played, 14 started)

Colston

2006: 70 catches, 1038 yds, 8 TDs (14 games played, 12 started)

2007: 98 catches, 1202 yds, 11 TDs (16 games played, 14 started)

2008: 47 catches, 760 yds, 5 TDs (11 games played, 6 started)

 
The Saints had over 5000 passing yards last year, but didn't have a single 1000 yard receiver. Part of that is because Colston was hurt, sure, but take a look at this pass distribution:

Lance Moore 79/928

Reggie Bush 52/440

Jeremy Shockey 50/483

Marques Colston 47/760

Billy Miller 45/579

Devery Henderson 32/793

Pierre Thomas 31/284

Deuce McAllister 18/128

Robert Meachem 12/289

Mark Campbel 12/121

David Patten 11/162

6 others with fewer than 10 catches each: 24/102 total

Let's take a look at it the previous year:

Marques Colston 98/1202

Reggie Bush 73/417

David Patten 54/792

Eric Johnson 48/378

Aaron Stecker 36/211

Lance Moore 32/302

Billy Miller 27/328

Devery Henderson 20/409

Pierre Thomas 17/151

Terrance Copper 15/126

Mike Karny 13/78

3 others with fewer than 10 catches each: 7/29 total

Colston had a much bigger piece of a smaller pie. Nobody else really had a great season. No Shockey, although Eric Johnson was having one of his off again, on again healthy years. Bush was much more involved in the passing game. Patten was part of the starting lineup. Lance Moore was in his second year, primarily a kick and punt returner. Overall, the receiving corps around him was a lot scrubbier than last year.

2006:

Reggie Bush 88/742

Marques Colston 70/1038

Joe Horn 37/679

Devery Henderson 32/745

Deuce McAllister 30/198

Terrance Copper 23/385

Aaron Stecker 19/190

Mark Campbel 18/164

Mike Karney 15/96

Billy Miller 14/129

7 others with fewer than 10 catches each: 26/260 total

So looking at all this, what I see is that Reggie Bush's numbers were down last year (but he was still on pace in the games he played). Shockey's numbers were a little low last year because he got hurt, played through a sports hernia, and didn't get a chance to develop chemistry with Brees - a problem they claim has been resolved. Lance Moore had his "third year breakout" after moving from a reserve WR/returner role to the full time starting lineup. Devery Henderson continued to get his 32 catches for long yardage. Pierre Thomas can also catch the ball.

So here's my question - for Colston to have a big year, where are the numbers going to come from? Is he going to get a bigger piece of the pie, or is the pie going to get bigger? I don't think the pie can get bigger - only two players have ever thrown for 5000 yards, and after seeing Marino, Brady, Manning, and others regress after their record breaking seasons, I'd be surprised to see Brees take another shot at 5000.

So obviously we're expecting him to get a bigger piece of a smaller pie. While he is coming off a knee injury, he seems fully healed. And he clearly was the #1 WR on the team for the past three years, so it seems reasonable to expect him to start putting numbers up again. But at whose expense? Lance Moore seems likely to regress once Colston's back, but by how much? It seems like Bush and Shockey's numbers should go up. And the whole pie should shrink.

I guess I can see Colston putting up numbers like 2007, but that feels like his absolute ceiling. When I compare him with other receivers in the same tier, I don't see nearly as much upside, and I see a lot of risk. I'll pass on him, thanks.

 
I guess I can see Colston putting up numbers like 2007, but that feels like his absolute ceiling. When I compare him with other receivers in the same tier, I don't see nearly as much upside, and I see a lot of risk. I'll pass on him, thanks.
Which tier? The tier that includes: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin, Roddy White?Or the tier that includes guys like Dwayne Bowe, Eddie Royal, etc?In my non-PPR league, Colston's 2007 production of 1202 yds and 11 TDs would have been good for the #7 WR last year. Uh, that's pretty good. Is that his ceiling? :shock: His true ceiling is probably closer to 1300-1400 yds and 12-13 TDs, but whatever. He's in a very consistent offense where we KNOW that Brees will get him the ball.
 
The Saints had over 5000 passing yards last year, but didn't have a single 1000 yard receiver. Part of that is because Colston was hurt, sure, but take a look at this pass distribution:Lance Moore 79/928Reggie Bush 52/440Jeremy Shockey 50/483Marques Colston 47/760Billy Miller 45/579Devery Henderson 32/793Pierre Thomas 31/284Deuce McAllister 18/128Robert Meachem 12/289Mark Campbel 12/121David Patten 11/1626 others with fewer than 10 catches each: 24/102 total
BTW, this really isn't a very compelling set of evidence. The team lost its #1 WR for 1/2 the year. Of course the distribution of catches looked distorted.
 
I guess I can see Colston putting up numbers like 2007, but that feels like his absolute ceiling. When I compare him with other receivers in the same tier, I don't see nearly as much upside, and I see a lot of risk. I'll pass on him, thanks.
Which tier? The tier that includes: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin, Roddy White?Or the tier that includes guys like Dwayne Bowe, Eddie Royal, etc?In my non-PPR league, Colston's 2007 production of 1202 yds and 11 TDs would have been good for the #7 WR last year. Uh, that's pretty good. Is that his ceiling? :thumbup: His true ceiling is probably closer to 1300-1400 yds and 12-13 TDs, but whatever. He's in a very consistent offense where we KNOW that Brees will get him the ball.
We have different tiers, but I'd say the Bowe tier. For him to reach his 2007 production, he'd need to not only pick up another 33 catches for 432 yards and a handful of TDs, we'd also need to assume that any dropoff from Brees will come off of all the other players on the team. I'm not saying that they won't, but the reason I posted the last three years' receiving stats was to show that the team has a much better group of pass catchers today than they did two and three years ago. So the assumption that Colston's going to get even last year's numbers is aggressive to me. The way I see it, you're giving him WR7 numbers and saying he could even go up from there, while I'm questioning whether he can even get back to WR7 numbers. Again, let's throw Colston's 2007 numbers in there. Do you think Brees will thro for 5500 yards? If not, how many do you think he'll throw for? Whose numbers do you expect to drop off, and by how much, to make Colston's 80/1200/11 possible?
 
For him to reach his 2007 production, he'd need to not only pick up another 33 catches for 432 yards and a handful of TDs, we'd also need to assume that any dropoff from Brees will come off of all the other players on the team.
Where do you get 33 catches for 432 yards? sorry, I'm not following your math here. His 2008 production was 41 catches, 442 yds and 6 TDs below 2007. of course, he only started 6 games in 2008 vs 14 games in 2007, but hey, who's counting?
I'm not saying that they won't, but the reason I posted the last three years' receiving stats was to show that the team has a much better group of pass catchers today than they did two and three years ago. So the assumption that Colston's going to get even last year's numbers is aggressive to me. The way I see it, you're giving him WR7 numbers and saying he could even go up from there, while I'm questioning whether he can even get back to WR7 numbers.
Look at Colston's production the last 5 games of 2008, when he was back healthy and integrated into the offense. He had 31 catches, 438 yards, 4 TDs. In the games he has played since his rookie year, here are his averages per game:41 games5.2 catches per game~75 yards per game~0.6 TDs per gameOver the course of 16 games, that would translate to ~1200 yds, 9-10 TDs.Note that this includes games last year when he was working his way back into shape post-injury.
Again, let's throw Colston's 2007 numbers in there. Do you think Brees will thro for 5500 yards? If not, how many do you think he'll throw for? Whose numbers do you expect to drop off, and by how much, to make Colston's 80/1200/11 possible?
Brees only threw for 4400 yards in 2006 and 2007. Yet Colston produced in both those years at approx. the rate of 75 yards per game and 0.6 TDs per game. So why does Brees need to throw for 5500 yards, for Colston to continue producing?I have a lot of respect for you BF, but I'm struggling to see support for your position. If you want to argue that Colston is a big injury risk, we don't know if he can hold up, etc....then I'm with you. But to say that you're worried he will continue to produce because Brees spreads the ball around.....well, all the evidence I see suggests that Colston sees the ball regardless.I'm too lazy to calculate Colston's production with Bush and without Bush in the lineup. That would be interesting to see.Note: I am not a Colston owner.
 
In the games he has played since his rookie year, here are his averages per game:41 games5.2 catches per game~75 yards per game~0.6 TDs per gameOver the course of 16 games, that would translate to ~1200 yds, 9-10 TDs.Note that this includes games last year when he was working his way back into shape post-injury.Brees only threw for 4400 yards in 2006 and 2007. Yet Colston produced in both those years at approx. the rate of 75 yards per game and 0.6 TDs per game. So why does Brees need to throw for 5500 yards, for Colston to continue producing?
He doesn't. You just need to answer this:
Again, let's throw Colston's 2007 numbers in there. Do you think Brees will thro for 5500 yards? If not, how many do you think he'll throw for? Whose numbers do you expect to drop off, and by how much, to make Colston's 80/1200/11 possible?
In a year when Reggie Bush's and Jeremy Shockey's numbers were down because of injury, and Lance Moore emerged, and Devery Henderson continued to produce as a deep threat, and Billy Miller caught some passes, too, and so on... the question is, whose numbers are going to drop off? I understand that Colston has put up good numbers in each of his three years. But the reason I posted the 2006 and 2007 receiving stats for the team was to show that there was nobody good except Bush and Colston catching the ball. The targets around Colston have undeniably improved. You can't look at Colston's numbers in a vacuum. In the context of the team, he might be the best receiving option they have - and I'm not even 100% sure that's true - and still not get 1200+ yards, because I don't think Colston is so much better than the rest of the team that he needs 25% or more of the team's receiving yardage, and I don't think that Brees is going to throw for more than 5000 yards again.
 
You just need to answer this:

Again, let's throw Colston's 2007 numbers in there. Do you think Brees will thro for 5500 yards? If not, how many do you think he'll throw for? Whose numbers do you expect to drop off, and by how much, to make Colston's 80/1200/11 possible?
Lance Moore 79/928Reggie Bush 52/440Jeremy Shockey 50/483Marques Colston 47/760Billy Miller 45/579Devery Henderson 32/793Pierre Thomas 31/284Deuce McAllister 18/128Robert Meachem 12/289Mark Campbel 12/121David Patten 11/1626 others with fewer than 10 catches each: 24/102 totalDo you expect Lance Moore to have 79 catches again? I don't.Do you expect Billy Miller and Shockey to combine for 95 catches? I don't.The top-3 RBs still combined for 101 catches. That is a lot.Etc, etc, etc.I'll gladly do a set of projections side by side later tonight.
 
I think Robert Meachem tears it up this year. I am taking a flyer on him. Colston? well he is going too high for my tastes

 
Took him as the #3 wr taken but I reached cuz I had Brees, and personally think that combo will blow the F up!

I explained in the other 63 Colston threads that his stats when he plays rivals that of any wr, and Brees the best QB is in brolove with him!

 
I think Robert Meachem tears it up this year. I am taking a flyer on him. Colston? well he is going too high for my tastes
What an idiot!Meachem - UnprovenColston - Proven and no questions asked, is the #1 qb in the leagues favorite Target!hmmm, yup good call with the Meachem thing!Oh and Brees --- Not a big fan of Meachems work ethic, but what do I know!
 
In the games he has played since his rookie year, here are his averages per game:41 games5.2 catches per game~75 yards per game~0.6 TDs per gameOver the course of 16 games, that would translate to ~1200 yds, 9-10 TDs.Note that this includes games last year when he was working his way back into shape post-injury.Brees only threw for 4400 yards in 2006 and 2007. Yet Colston produced in both those years at approx. the rate of 75 yards per game and 0.6 TDs per game. So why does Brees need to throw for 5500 yards, for Colston to continue producing?
He doesn't. You just need to answer this:
Again, let's throw Colston's 2007 numbers in there. Do you think Brees will thro for 5500 yards? If not, how many do you think he'll throw for? Whose numbers do you expect to drop off, and by how much, to make Colston's 80/1200/11 possible?
In a year when Reggie Bush's and Jeremy Shockey's numbers were down because of injury, and Lance Moore emerged, and Devery Henderson continued to produce as a deep threat, and Billy Miller caught some passes, too, and so on... the question is, whose numbers are going to drop off? I understand that Colston has put up good numbers in each of his three years. But the reason I posted the 2006 and 2007 receiving stats for the team was to show that there was nobody good except Bush and Colston catching the ball. The targets around Colston have undeniably improved. You can't look at Colston's numbers in a vacuum. In the context of the team, he might be the best receiving option they have - and I'm not even 100% sure that's true - and still not get 1200+ yards, because I don't think Colston is so much better than the rest of the team that he needs 25% or more of the team's receiving yardage, and I don't think that Brees is going to throw for more than 5000 yards again.
His favorite Taget was hurt most the year, maybe he threw to so many because none stepped up like Colston!Oh, and I read a report that Brees asked for Colston to room with him at Camp!...Any other haters on this stud wr?
 
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The Saints had over 5000 passing yards last year, but didn't have a single 1000 yard receiver. Part of that is because Colston was hurt, sure, but take a look at this pass distribution:Lance Moore 79/928Reggie Bush 52/440Jeremy Shockey 50/483Marques Colston 47/760Billy Miller 45/579Devery Henderson 32/793Pierre Thomas 31/284Deuce McAllister 18/128Robert Meachem 12/289Mark Campbel 12/121David Patten 11/1626 others with fewer than 10 catches each: 24/102 total
:lmao: :lmao:Dude, you are crackin' me up.You gotta rep Boston better than that.
 
I think Robert Meachem tears it up this year. I am taking a flyer on him. Colston? well he is going too high for my tastes
What an idiot!Meachem - UnprovenColston - Proven and no questions asked, is the #1 qb in the leagues favorite Target!hmmm, yup good call with the Meachem thing!Oh and Brees --- Not a big fan of Meachems work ethic, but what do I know!
Dude, I took Meachem in the 18th round.. different than reaching for Colston in the 2nd. Ive heard people say the same thing when I took Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, and Eddie Royal all at the end of the draft..... Maybe the shark pool isnt the place for you?
 
He doesn't. You just need to answer this:

Again, let's throw Colston's 2007 numbers in there. Do you think Brees will thro for 5500 yards? If not, how many do you think he'll throw for? Whose numbers do you expect to drop off, and by how much, to make Colston's 80/1200/11 possible?
In the past 3 seasons, the Saints #1 WR at year end has garnered 21% of the team's catches on average. That includes the 2008 season when Lance Moore was the de facto #1 because of Colston's injury.Total number of team catches each season:2006: 3702007: 4402008: 413Average: 408 completed passes per season [note that the 2008 year which you consider an outlier was notable more for long passes than a big # of completions - Brees had more completions in 2007]408 catches x 21% for the #1 WR = 86 catches for Colston next year86 catches x 13.95 yds per catch (Colston's career avg) = 1,195 yardsWow, that seems pretty close.Breakdown of receptions by year (2006, 2007, 2008):WR: 162, 219, 181RB: 137, 126, 101TE: 47, 88, 107Which numbers look like outliers? I'll give you a hint: the RB numbers were low in '08, the TE numbers were very high. I don't expect Billy Miller to continue catching 45 passes per year. Since you asked, I'll give you a rough set of projections.2009: Colston - 80 catches, 1125 yardsBush - 75 catches, 600 ydsShockey - 50 catches, 450 ydsMoore - 45 catches, 600 ydsWR3 - 30 catches, 450 ydsP Thomas - 25 catches, 200 ydsB Miller - 25 catches, 250 ydsWR4 - 20 catches, 300 ydsOther - 40 catches, 400 ydsTotal - 390 catches, 4375 ydsObviously it won't look like this at year end because someone will get injured.
 
The last thing I worry about is where FBGs has someone ranked. Some of you guys put way too much emphasis on WR 17 vs WR 12, vs WR 22, etc.

 
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Colston has been drafted no later than WR10 in every draft I've seen. I really like Colston and WR10 seems like fair value. But that said, the Saints have a lot of other options and I don't see Colston being the #1WR by a huge margin. I think Brees will spread it around more this year. Also microfracture knee surgery is no joke. For those reasons I am avoiding Colston in round 3. Plus I really like Meachem and he can be had super late.

 
Colston has been drafted no later than WR10 in every draft I've seen. I really like Colston and WR10 seems like fair value. But that said, the Saints have a lot of other options and I don't see Colston being the #1WR by a huge margin. I think Brees will spread it around more this year. Also microfracture knee surgery is no joke. For those reasons I am avoiding Colston in round 3. Plus I really like Meachem and he can be had super late.
Posted in a Lance Moore thread:
And over the last 5 games when Colston was producing 31 catches for 438 yds and 5 TDs, guess what Lance Moore had?22 catches, 204 yds, 3 TDs.Colston is still the #1 guy.
 

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