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Marshawn Lynch just isn't very good (1 Viewer)

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He was over-rated coming into the season and will probably be over-rated going into the next. Everything this guy does screams average RB. Heck even Fred Jackson did as much on a touch for touch ratio.

Lynch average 69 ypg on the ground. Who are the other RBs in that range?

Derrick Ward 64.1

Jamal Lewis 62.6

Cedric Benson 62.2

Kevin Smith 61.0

Justin Fargas 60.9

Great if you want to play the age card, but the fact is that several players his age made more significant contributions this season. This kid just isn't a first round talent, fantasy or NFL.

Please feel free to sell me on why this kid has such a bright future.... :kicksrock:

 
I avoided him last year and probably will this year as well. He's a decent talent, nothing great and has value if he's going to get a ton of touches. With Jackson there I suspect they'll continue to use him or increase his role he looked real good at times. Given the bad offense in Buffalo there's not a ton of touches to go around.

 
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If we're focusing on yards/game, only 15 other RB's averaged more yards/game last year. Why would including him as a Top-10 player be a stretch given the measuring stick you provided?

Only 10 RB's with 200+ carries averaged more yards/carry than Lynch.

Only 9 RB's had more receptions (inclusive of guys like Kevin Faulk and Warrick Dunn).

 
Here are some other backs in the same "range" of Lynch:

Frank Gore 74.0

Larry Johnson 72.8

Willie Parker 71.9

LaDanian Tomlinson 69.4

Brian Westbrook 66.9

Marion Barber 59.0

 
If we're focusing on yards/game, only 15 other RB's averaged more yards/game last year. Why would including him as a Top-10 player be a stretch given the measuring stick you provided?Only 10 RB's with 200+ carries averaged more yards/carry than Lynch.Only 9 RB's had more receptions (inclusive of guys like Kevin Faulk and Warrick Dunn).
We can slice this pie anyway you choose, YPG was just one of the first that came to mind. Fact is that while healthy, through the first 15 games of the year the guy only rushed for a hair over 1,000 as a feature back. Week 17 while hurt the #2 back put up a better game in the feature roll.I would love to break Lynch down on a yards per touch ratio and compare to other similar ranked backs and see how he grades out. The YPG average hurts guys like P.Thomas, M.Moore, and even McGahee who while were active during the game, didn't get the carries. If anyone has a points per start breakdown, I would love to see it.
 
Just watch him play.

He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.

The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.

It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.

 
Here are some other backs in the same "range" of Lynch:Frank Gore 74.0 - Martz FactorLarry Johnson 72.8 - Won't be a top 10 RB pickWillie Parker 71.9 - Won't be a top 10 RB pickLaDanian Tomlinson 69.4 - Who really knows, but he wasn't healthy much of the yearBrian Westbrook 66.9 - Short passing substitutes for a good chunk of his rushing yardsMarion Barber 59.0 - RBBC, might be a top 10 pick, but probably shoudn't be either
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
 
Watch the games.
Great reply.Stats are an important tool in evaluating talent, but they lend no context to a player's performance. Situation, D scheme, weather, surrounding cast, game plan etc. obviously all have a huge impact on the final numbers. Without actually watching a game none of that translates into the final numbers.When evaluating a player look for talent not stats. Talent will turn into production over time. Without talent, stats will dwindle over time. Applies to the college or pro game. Trick is determining how talent looks independent of opposition. i.e. How will a DII player translate to the NFLI would never comment on a player without actually watching enough games to feel comfortable about my opinion. Don't have to see em all if you know what to look for.Your eyes are the most important evaluative tool there is. And, no, highlight reels are not useful at all. I'll give you a low-light reel for every youtube fan film you can link to.Lynch is a player. Barring injury, one of these next few year's he will produce an elite season. Maybe a couple.It bears repeating. Watch the games.
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Why would they waste a ton of money and bring in Ward??He'll go somewhere where he will be in line for at least 225 carries...like Arizona or Denver.
 
Watch the games.
Great reply.Stats are an important tool in evaluating talent, but they lend no context to a player's performance. Situation, D scheme, weather, surrounding cast, game plan etc. obviously all have a huge impact on the final numbers. Without actually watching a game none of that translates into the final numbers.

When evaluating a player look for talent not stats. Talent will turn into production over time. Without talent, stats will dwindle over time. Applies to the college or pro game. Trick is determining how talent looks independent of opposition. i.e. How will a DII player translate to the NFL

I would never comment on a player without actually watching enough games to feel comfortable about my opinion. Don't have to see em all if you know what to look for.

Your eyes are the most important evaluative tool there is. And, no, highlight reels are not useful at all. I'll give you a low-light reel for every youtube fan film you can link to.

Lynch is a player. Barring injury, one of these next few year's he will produce an elite season. Maybe a couple.

It bears repeating.

Watch the games.
so whats going to change?
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Why would they waste a ton of money and bring in Ward??He'll go somewhere where he will be in line for at least 225 carries...like Arizona or Denver.
I don't think anyone is going to shell out big money for Ward. I'd also be a bit suprised to see a team ready to give him 225+ carries
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Why would they waste a ton of money and bring in Ward??He'll go somewhere where he will be in line for at least 225 carries...like Arizona or Denver.
I don't think anyone is going to shell out big money for Ward. I'd also be a bit suprised to see a team ready to give him 225+ carries
why??Ward just proved he could....no your post makes no sense.Also, the thread title makes no sense.To say Lynch is not good is just not knowing how to evaluate a player...sorry.
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
"Just watch him play" isn't an excuse--it's a description of what you need to do to evaluate RB talent. He got just 250 carries this year due to injuries and Buffalo incompetence, and he still finished as the #15 fantasy RB; if he got 300 carries he would have been in the top 5. Buffalo was #26 in terms of offensive plays.Lynch needs Buffalo to get a QB who doesn't suck. You might have noticed, in that game that Jackson supposedly did so well in, Buffalo failed to score.Anyone who's watched him play knows that Lynch is one of the top 10, maybe top 5 RBs in the NFL. Jackson's a change of pace back, nothing more.
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Why would they waste a ton of money and bring in Ward??He'll go somewhere where he will be in line for at least 225 carries...like Arizona or Denver.
I don't think anyone is going to shell out big money for Ward. I'd also be a bit suprised to see a team ready to give him 225+ carries
why??Ward just proved he could....no your post makes no sense.Also, the thread title makes no sense.To say Lynch is not good is just not knowing how to evaluate a player...sorry.
maybe we just differ on what "big money" is.I never said I didn't think Lynch was a decent starting NFL back. I just wonder what's special about him?
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Why would they waste a ton of money and bring in Ward??He'll go somewhere where he will be in line for at least 225 carries...like Arizona or Denver.
I don't think anyone is going to shell out big money for Ward. I'd also be a bit suprised to see a team ready to give him 225+ carries
why??Ward just proved he could....no your post makes no sense.Also, the thread title makes no sense.To say Lynch is not good is just not knowing how to evaluate a player...sorry.
maybe we just differ on what "big money" is.I never said I didn't think Lynch was a decent starting NFL back. I just wonder what's special about him?
He's possibly more talented then Michael Turner who was the 2nd best RB in the league this year...it's all about situation and how you are used.
 
I never said I didn't think Lynch was a decent starting NFL back. I just wonder what's special about him?
Watch the games. He is probably the hardest back to bring down in the league. He has great strength and vision, and good speed and moves, with the ability to make unbelievable plays.
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
"Just watch him play" isn't an excuse--it's a description of what you need to do to evaluate RB talent. He got just 250 carries this year due to injuries and Buffalo incompetence, and he still finished as the #15 fantasy RB; if he got 300 carries he would have been in the top 5. Buffalo was #26 in terms of offensive plays.Lynch needs Buffalo to get a QB who doesn't suck. You might have noticed, in that game that Jackson supposedly did so well in, Buffalo failed to score.Anyone who's watched him play knows that Lynch is one of the top 10, maybe top 5 RBs in the NFL. Jackson's a change of pace back, nothing more.
Top 5...no way. A top 5 back can overcome a terrible offense to produce. Lynch simply is going to be a product of the offense. When its on, he is on...when its off, so is he. So how is Buffalo going to solve this QB problem they have? FA market is slim and it is doubtful there are any rookies available when they draft to make a day 1 impact.
 
It was widely speculated when Marshawn was drafted that he'd never be looked at as elite, but should be dependable for a long time and there's no questioning the guys heart, toughness, and versatility. I don't see how any of that has changed. If you own him as an RB1 you need some upgrades, if you have him as an RB2, be happy and be sure to add whoever his handcuff is next year.

 
so whats going to change?
Fair question.My answer would be that nothing has to change for him to produce at an elite level.One of these seasons, barring injury, he'll find a couple more creases per game, a defender or two will be out of position, he'll get a few more goal line opps and it will turn into elite numbers.In short, talent creates opportunity given enough time. Lynch simply hasn't had enough time IMO.It can only help if the surrounding cast improves, but it doesn't necessarily have to for him to increase his production.See Deangelo Williams as an example.Almost nothing changed for that offense except the addition of a talented Rb as a stablemate which should be an overall negative. DWill hits a few homeruns and gets an insane amount of goal line opps and it's an elite season.In reverse see Willie Parker. 06 was a monster stat season for him. 07 sees fewer red zone and goal line situations and he doesn't break any long runs. Pretty poor final numbers with no change in surrounding personnel.I guess I would summarize by saying talent is constant, while situations will fluctuate. Draft talent, not situation.
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Why would they waste a ton of money and bring in Ward??He'll go somewhere where he will be in line for at least 225 carries...like Arizona or Denver.
I don't think anyone is going to shell out big money for Ward. I'd also be a bit suprised to see a team ready to give him 225+ carries
why??Ward just proved he could....no your post makes no sense.Also, the thread title makes no sense.To say Lynch is not good is just not knowing how to evaluate a player...sorry.
maybe we just differ on what "big money" is.I never said I didn't think Lynch was a decent starting NFL back. I just wonder what's special about him?
He's possibly more talented then Michael Turner who was the 2nd best RB in the league this year...it's all about situation and how you are used.
So your answer is he needs out of Buffalo?
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Ooo, zing. There goes your Jackson arguement.
 
He's possibly more talented then Michael Turner who was the 2nd best RB in the league this year...it's all about situation and how you are used.
Not true at all. He's a very different player than Michael Turner, but in no way is he more talented.
 
Just watch him play.He is tough, has a huge heart, doesn't go down, has a great attitude and is shifty and talented...plus he's a good receiver.The QB play didn't help Lynch last year either.It's more the team's fault, not Lynch's...the guy is good.
the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns. What is going to improve next season to increase his numbers? Is his OL going to get better? His QB play going to step up? I think Fred Jackson has earned more touches in 09
Fred Jackson is a free agent I belive.
He is, but I don't see any reason why he won't be brought back. Unless they make a play for someone like Ward, than Lynch's value takes another hit.
Why would they waste a ton of money and bring in Ward??He'll go somewhere where he will be in line for at least 225 carries...like Arizona or Denver.
I don't think anyone is going to shell out big money for Ward. I'd also be a bit suprised to see a team ready to give him 225+ carries
why??Ward just proved he could....no your post makes no sense.Also, the thread title makes no sense.To say Lynch is not good is just not knowing how to evaluate a player...sorry.
maybe we just differ on what "big money" is.I never said I didn't think Lynch was a decent starting NFL back. I just wonder what's special about him?
He's possibly more talented then Michael Turner who was the 2nd best RB in the league this year...it's all about situation and how you are used.
So your answer is he needs out of Buffalo?
NOPE, like the previous poster said...a few more opps, some creases and most importantly...better QB play.
 
Top 5...no way. A top 5 back can overcome a terrible offense to produce. Lynch simply is going to be a product of the offense. When its on, he is on...when its off, so is he. So how is Buffalo going to solve this QB problem they have? FA market is slim and it is doubtful there are any rookies available when they draft to make a day 1 impact.
So who are your top 5 NFL RBs? Warning: you will not be able to come up with 5 RBs who have overcome terrible offenses to produce.
 
He's possibly more talented then Michael Turner who was the 2nd best RB in the league this year...it's all about situation and how you are used.
Not true at all. He's a very different player than Michael Turner, but in no way is he more talented.
Tha's true, very are very different...they both do things better then the other guy.
 
He was over-rated coming into the season and will probably be over-rated going into the next. Everything this guy does screams average RB. Heck even Fred Jackson did as much on a touch for touch ratio.Lynch average 69 ypg on the ground. Who are the other RBs in that range? Derrick Ward 64.1 Jamal Lewis 62.6 Cedric Benson 62.2 Kevin Smith 61.0 Justin Fargas 60.9Great if you want to play the age card, but the fact is that several players his age made more significant contributions this season. This kid just isn't a first round talent, fantasy or NFL.Please feel free to sell me on why this kid has such a bright future.... :shrug:
overrated??I'd say he's done quite well in that mess in Buffalo actually.So Fred Jackson comes in and does well after Lynch softens up the defence.Tatum Bell must have been a star too in your eyes after Mike Anderson softened teams up in 2005.
 
He's possibly more talented then Michael Turner who was the 2nd best RB in the league this year...it's all about situation and how you are used.
Not true at all. He's a very different player than Michael Turner, but in no way is he more talented.
well, Turner did slide to the 5th round of the NFL draft while Lynch was nearly a top-10 pick. So, there is some reason to believe that Lynch is the more naturally talented player, but after the way they both played this year in a feature back role that argument doesn't really hold up. However, Turner is in his prime right now while Lynch still has significant room for improvement, IMO.
 
so whats going to change?
Fair question.My answer would be that nothing has to change for him to produce at an elite level.

One of these seasons, barring injury, he'll find a couple more creases per game, a defender or two will be out of position, he'll get a few more goal line opps and it will turn into elite numbers.

In short, talent creates opportunity given enough time. Lynch simply hasn't had enough time IMO.It can only help if the surrounding cast improves, but it doesn't necessarily have to for him to increase his production.

See Deangelo Williams as an example.

Almost nothing changed for that offense except the addition of a talented Rb as a stablemate which should be an overall negative. DWill hits a few homeruns and gets an insane amount of goal line opps and it's an elite season.

In reverse see Willie Parker. 06 was a monster stat season for him. 07 sees fewer red zone and goal line situations and he doesn't break any long runs. Pretty poor final numbers with no change in surrounding personnel.

I guess I would summarize by saying talent is constant, while situations will fluctuate. Draft talent, not situation.
:goodposting: I think we have been semi-spoiled lately with ADP, CJ3, Slaton, and Forte that waiting isn't something we can all do. 2 years now we have heard about this talented kid and yet we see very average results.

 
well, Turner did slide to the 5th round of the NFL draft while Lynch was nearly a top-10 pick. So, there is some reason to believe that Lynch is the more naturally talented player, but after the way they both played this year in a feature back role that argument doesn't really hold up. However, Turner is in his prime right now while Lynch still has significant room for improvement, IMO.
I only partly buy into the draft position equals talent argument, but I do get what you are saying.I also agree that Turner is maxed out and Lynch has room to improve his game.
 
He's possibly more talented then Michael Turner who was the 2nd best RB in the league this year...it's all about situation and how you are used.
Not true at all. He's a very different player than Michael Turner, but in no way is he more talented.
well, Turner did slide to the 5th round of the NFL draft while Lynch was nearly a top-10 pick. So, there is some reason to believe that Lynch is the more naturally talented player, but after the way they both played this year in a feature back role that argument doesn't really hold up. However, Turner is in his prime right now while Lynch still has significant room for improvement, IMO.
Turner was evaluated wrong IMO...he should have went higher. He went to a small school and had receiving deficiencies.....but I think he matured in the pros under LT and was just a 'miss' by the scouts.But I get your point.
 
Top 5...no way. A top 5 back can overcome a terrible offense to produce. Lynch simply is going to be a product of the offense. When its on, he is on...when its off, so is he. So how is Buffalo going to solve this QB problem they have? FA market is slim and it is doubtful there are any rookies available when they draft to make a day 1 impact.
So who are your top 5 NFL RBs? Warning: you will not be able to come up with 5 RBs who have overcome terrible offenses to produce.
I'd take ADP, MJD, SJax, DWill and Turner right now...none have a Stud rocking the QB postion. Ryan will good, but currently is just decent.
 
This is a frustrating thread. We've got people moaning about the fact that a back that was RB13 in PPR and RB15 in non-PPR is mentioned in the same breath as top 10 guys. What about Frank Gore? PPR = RB14non-PPR = RB14Mentioned with top 10? check.Is he not very good either? Ronnie Brown? Brandon Jacobs? Marion Barber? All these guys put up similar numbers to Lynch this year. All are mentioned in the Top 10 in some circle or another.

the just watch him play excuse doesn't jive with me. I did get the see the Cle on MNF where he went off and looked great, but a lot of backs do vs the Browns.
The one time you actually saw him play he "looked great". A bit more research **might** be warranted here.
So how is Buffalo going to solve this QB problem they have? FA market is slim and it is doubtful there are any rookies available when they draft to make a day 1 impact.
I'm not sure they need a new QB to solve the "QB problem". Edwards just needs to gain some consistency, which is what young quarterbacks do. Maybe he keeps playing inconsistently, but he's nowhere near the worst QB in the league, and has actually shown the potential to be very good.No... if Marshawn needs anything to be **statistically** better, its a transition in coaching mentality to one that's willing to give him the ball more than 16 times a game.
 
Top 5...no way. A top 5 back can overcome a terrible offense to produce. Lynch simply is going to be a product of the offense. When its on, he is on...when its off, so is he. So how is Buffalo going to solve this QB problem they have? FA market is slim and it is doubtful there are any rookies available when they draft to make a day 1 impact.
So who are your top 5 NFL RBs? Warning: you will not be able to come up with 5 RBs who have overcome terrible offenses to produce.
I'd take ADP, MJD, SJax, DWill and Turner right now...none have a Stud rocking the QB postion. Ryan will good, but currently is just decent.
Steven Jackson was the #14 RB last year and #13 this year. He scored 2 fantasy points more than Lynch and rushed for 6 more yards on 3 more carries.Deangelo Williams hadn't managed 1000 total yards in his first two seasons.MJD still hasn't managed 1000 rushing yards, and finished as the #13 RB last year and #9 this year.
 
Top 5...no way. A top 5 back can overcome a terrible offense to produce. Lynch simply is going to be a product of the offense. When its on, he is on...when its off, so is he. So how is Buffalo going to solve this QB problem they have? FA market is slim and it is doubtful there are any rookies available when they draft to make a day 1 impact.
So who are your top 5 NFL RBs? Warning: you will not be able to come up with 5 RBs who have overcome terrible offenses to produce.
I'd take ADP, MJD, SJax, DWill and Turner right now...none have a Stud rocking the QB postion. Ryan will good, but currently is just decent.
Steven Jackson was the #14 RB last year and #13 this year. He scored 2 fantasy points more than Lynch and rushed for 6 more yards on 3 more carries.Deangelo Williams hadn't managed 1000 total yards in his first two seasons.MJD still hasn't managed 1000 rushing yards, and finished as the #13 RB last year and #9 this year.
in my league Sjax 4th in PPG... Lynch 16thWilliams was still a backup last yearMJD has also been in a full blown RBBC
 
Please feel free to sell me on why this kid has such a bright future.... :popcorn:
Watch the games.
Can't watch em all, but thanks for sharing :rant:
Very few holes to run through, always breaking tackles and making guys miss, just to get to the line of scrimmage. Put him behind some of the other lines in the NFL and he would be mentioned as a top 5 RB, not top 10.
I can say this about 2/3 the starting backs in the NFL
 
I understand that a majority of you out there think he has some serious talent, but until it translates into some FF points, he is just an average back at this stage.

Seriously how many here are going to target him in late RD1 again this year?

 
Please feel free to sell me on why this kid has such a bright future.... :popcorn:
Watch the games.
Can't watch em all, but thanks for sharing :rant:
Very few holes to run through, always breaking tackles and making guys miss, just to get to the line of scrimmage. Put him behind some of the other lines in the NFL and he would be mentioned as a top 5 RB, not top 10.
I can say this about 2/3 the starting backs in the NFL
Ok, now that I've read through the entire thread, it doesn't look like we are going to change your mind. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinions, leave him for someone to take in next year's drafts.
 

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