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Marvel Cinematic Universe - Loved Thunderbolts*! - Also Marvel Trivia May 5th at 9 EST on FootballGuys (4 Viewers)
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
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Angry Bovine
I'd rank them pretty similar. Agree that Isaac is an amazing actor I just don't think they've given him much here:-OZ- said:
- WandaVision
- Loki
- Hawkeye
- MoonKnight
- What If?
- Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Jayrod
Footballguy
My rankings:
With a really strong final episode, MoonKnight could jump Loki and even get to the upper tier.
Hawkeye's penultimate episode is still my favorite episode out of all of the shows and why I have it slightly over WandaVision.
- Hawkeye
- WandaVision
- Loki
- MoonKnight
- Falcon and Winter Soldier
With a really strong final episode, MoonKnight could jump Loki and even get to the upper tier.
Hawkeye's penultimate episode is still my favorite episode out of all of the shows and why I have it slightly over WandaVision.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
What if was pretty dumb. But it does tie into MOM. You might want to watch the last 2? Episodes.
As posted above, I didn’t mind the craziness because the character was split personalities but from the early reviews it seemed to be 1-4 is build up and then it explodes but episode 5 was all backstory and now Mark is in heaven.Doug B said:
It definitely feels like we get a cliff hanger and no resolution or we are going to wrap things up ridiculously fast. That was my complaint, it feels like the “story” has gotten 30 minutes of actual time and back story/explaining who Mark and Stephen are is everything else.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Mr R reports that Marvel has changed tonight's episode from Series Finale to Season Finale.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
What if the final episode is 90 minutes or more? Then rest could be thought of as backstory leading into a feature film.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Interesting. They filed some kind of award category as limited series, so everyone thought it was a one and done.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
With an in-credits scene. Ooo!
Well, even though it’s not, that would probably feel better. From all the before season talk about slow build (read backstory) in episodes 1-4, I was expecting episode 5 to be way more Ethan Hawke story related. I think 4 and 5 could have been combined into a bit longer episode 4.
I think it’s just a little disappointing just because I was hyped about this show from the previews during the Super Bowl. Remember the one with black knight and blade?
I liked Loki a lot and if you think about it, they introduced a ton of new stuff, some a bit hard to follow for many. It was done really well and even with some of the backstory and new characters, there was a forward movement in the story. This show just hasn’t felt like that. Kind of like in the tomb, it seemed like Ethan Hawke and his cronies were literally just waiting outside the door waiting until Layla and Mark finish their discovery before walking in the door and saying hi.
Hoping for a good finale because that would remove my concerns. I was enjoying it but it just got stuck a bit at the parts where we had been told it was going to accelerate.
Capella
Footballguy
All the reviews from the hype sites who have to be positive to continue to get early access usually say “this is the best movie ever!!!1!!” - this time they all said something like this movie is very interesting and may not be your cup of tea lol
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Sam Raimi is the director. Outside of Tobey’s Spider-mans, he’s done a lot of those type of movies so not super surprised. The What If of Dr. Strange was pretty dark.
MTskibum
Footballguy
My wife and I have been planning on seeing this movie in theaters for the last year, which is expensive because we have two kids that need a babysitter.
Now i need to decide if this is a worth the ~150 dollars that it would cost us to watch the movie.
We have watched all the Marvel movies(including xmen) and Disney plus shows together.
Now i need to decide if this is a worth the ~150 dollars that it would cost us to watch the movie.
We have watched all the Marvel movies(including xmen) and Disney plus shows together.
Ive skipped 3 of the last 4 MCU movies in the theater (Shang Chi, Black Widow, Eternals). All 3 have been mediocre to bad. I might skip this one if my son lets me lol.
Capella
Footballguy
MTskibum
Footballguy
Capella said:
It is the cost of any nighttime activity without the kids. Any movie or dinner we are looking at 150-300 bucks if we want to leave the kids at home.
We have been to 2 other movies in the last 6 years in the theaters, although I have also watched both Deadpool's in the theater without my wife.
-OZ-
Footballguy
The finale was good imo. My favorite episode. But they could have done so much more, easily double the run time or add another episode.stbugs said:
no spoilers, but suffice it to say I still don’t really know what happened. Really would have liked more Layla and hippo goddess.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I get it - I have 5. Thankfully the oldest two now watch the others free.
If you make a night of it for the money then it’s worth it. If it’s movie then straight home, not so much.
I still don’t get how Shang-Chi is the best user reviewed Marvel movie on rotten tomatoes. I enjoyed it more than the other two recent ones but it certainly wasn’t as good as End Game and others. I mean it had some seriously goofy parts at the end.jobarules said:
I did enjoy the fact that I watched these on D+ and saved money. I’ll probably wait on MoM unless my sons want to watch it at the theaters.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Which is probably the lowest of any MCU. Except captain marvel but that was mostly reasons other than the movie.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
It is also likely to not be for the casual MCU viewer. I expect many people to be completely lost.
Mile High
Footballguy
6 others are lower. 79% ties it with 4 others.
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/all-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-ranked/
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Mile High
Footballguy
Reading some of the reviews I would say you're probably correct. One of the YouTube reactions site I watched said it probably be a good idea to have at least watched Wanda Vision. One other thing they said people with kids should be aware they really are pushing the pg 13 rating.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
I’m referring to the first week rankings. MCU movies (Probably all movies but I can’t speak to that) always start high.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Oof. Spoilers ahead.
What If
Falcon/winter soldier
Moon knight
Eternals
Thor the dark world
I wanted it to be good. I committed to every episode and watched them as soon as they came out. I'm being generous saying it was better than Eternals, and only because of the back story in ep 5. FATWS wasn't great but at least it had characters i knew and somewhat cared about.
I didn't care at all about any of these characters. The stakes were unintelligible. What happens if they lose? Then bad people won't be able to do bad things anymore. Um ok. But what about free will? Let's not talk about it we'll just fight. Watch this, there's a bird skeleton fighting a weird alligator lady. Just kidding that's irrelevant. It's all about people fighting and the strong superhero has armor and a sidekick so he's going to win oh wait no he loses because they used magic oh wait i know it looked like they lost but actually he just blacked out he won lol.
No, the real stakes were when he was in the asylum with the psychiatrist/ cleric and then left with the hippo and Steven died in the desert but mark lives except he decided to die to save Steven and it turns out they both live and then they also have another guy and beat the clericiatrist.
I wanted it to be good and i was willing to accept weird back story, mythology i don't know, a character whose superpowers appear to be fighting really well, sometimes using a metal croissant to threaten people, and occasionally blacking out and waking up when the fight is over, but this was bad enough that it made me question whether What If actually improved or i was just giving it the benefit of the doubt. For the first time, I'm not sure if I'll watch the next MCU product.
What If
Falcon/winter soldier
Moon knight
Eternals
Thor the dark world
I wanted it to be good. I committed to every episode and watched them as soon as they came out. I'm being generous saying it was better than Eternals, and only because of the back story in ep 5. FATWS wasn't great but at least it had characters i knew and somewhat cared about.
I didn't care at all about any of these characters. The stakes were unintelligible. What happens if they lose? Then bad people won't be able to do bad things anymore. Um ok. But what about free will? Let's not talk about it we'll just fight. Watch this, there's a bird skeleton fighting a weird alligator lady. Just kidding that's irrelevant. It's all about people fighting and the strong superhero has armor and a sidekick so he's going to win oh wait no he loses because they used magic oh wait i know it looked like they lost but actually he just blacked out he won lol.
No, the real stakes were when he was in the asylum with the psychiatrist/ cleric and then left with the hippo and Steven died in the desert but mark lives except he decided to die to save Steven and it turns out they both live and then they also have another guy and beat the clericiatrist.
I wanted it to be good and i was willing to accept weird back story, mythology i don't know, a character whose superpowers appear to be fighting really well, sometimes using a metal croissant to threaten people, and occasionally blacking out and waking up when the fight is over, but this was bad enough that it made me question whether What If actually improved or i was just giving it the benefit of the doubt. For the first time, I'm not sure if I'll watch the next MCU product.
Yeah, that was not a good finale at all. I mean we all knew there was another personality but how is Jake somehow so powerful that he can overpower the staff that completely overwhelmed Mark as Moon Knight. It was just all over the place and so rushed because they spent no time on the actual storyline until this episode.
Also, the episode without credits was more like 35 minutes. No way to wrap up the alligator/Ethan Hawke story in a good way since we barely got anything about it in the first 5 episodes.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I thought it was great. I enjoyed every episode, but the last one was awesome.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
It’s weird. I liked it but also don’t know what happened or what the point was.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I think that might be why it was so meh for me. I understood most of it just thought the story/script was so weak.
Falcon was my low bar in these shows because they tried so hard to make the bad leader someone you’d sympathize with and it didn’t work. The story wasn't all over the place. I think Moon Knight takes the bottom rung over now and I wanted to like it so much more because I was always into mythologies.
Remember the trailer? https://youtu.be/EdL-Crup-nE
It was dark and I was psyched. That trailer didn’t convey well to the show.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Moon Knight Spoilers
They had an ambitious agenda. The first episode had to cover a lot of ground to make it all possible.
Show that Steven has some kind of alter ego that he doesn't understand and does not want.
Introduce all the Egyptian mythology.
Introduce the alter ego.
Introduce Steven calling his mom after a blackout.
Introduce the bad guy.
Introduce the armor.
Show that there are fights with creatures that aren't visible in the physical world.
Show that Steven is called the idiot and Mark is aware of him.
That's a lot to cover in one episode and they did it really well. Isaac deserves a lot of credit for credibly acting out the different roles.
With six episodes they were able to establish a LOT of stuff in the moon knight universe. I can understand how moon knight fans would enjoy that. It was a full season introduction to a weird character and they were able to cover a lot of ground while still resolving a plot.
I think the problem for casuals like me is that the character development to plot ratio was so skewed. I wanted an interesting superhero. I got a superhero with an interesting backstory, but he wears armor and uses karate and has a moon shaped knife thing... and instead of ever winning a fight on screen he looks like he's losing, then wakes up having won. The action in the series was
He had a fight and he blacked out and he won.
He lost the ability to black out and win.
He lost and died.
He found a way to come back from the dead.
He regained the ability to black out and win.
He had a fight and he blacked out and he won.
All of the development and exposition made for an interesting character who did uninteresting things. And when the interesting character is weird and the stakes are confusing and not very compelling (you'd better win or a mythological alligator will have someone kill people before they can commit murder!)... it was hard for me to feel engaged.
There was more meat on the bones than Eternals, and they dealt with the "why didn't they stop thanos" issue better than Eternals did, but after some thought it's still hard for me to put it very high on the mcu list.
They had an ambitious agenda. The first episode had to cover a lot of ground to make it all possible.
Show that Steven has some kind of alter ego that he doesn't understand and does not want.
Introduce all the Egyptian mythology.
Introduce the alter ego.
Introduce Steven calling his mom after a blackout.
Introduce the bad guy.
Introduce the armor.
Show that there are fights with creatures that aren't visible in the physical world.
Show that Steven is called the idiot and Mark is aware of him.
That's a lot to cover in one episode and they did it really well. Isaac deserves a lot of credit for credibly acting out the different roles.
With six episodes they were able to establish a LOT of stuff in the moon knight universe. I can understand how moon knight fans would enjoy that. It was a full season introduction to a weird character and they were able to cover a lot of ground while still resolving a plot.
I think the problem for casuals like me is that the character development to plot ratio was so skewed. I wanted an interesting superhero. I got a superhero with an interesting backstory, but he wears armor and uses karate and has a moon shaped knife thing... and instead of ever winning a fight on screen he looks like he's losing, then wakes up having won. The action in the series was
He had a fight and he blacked out and he won.
He lost the ability to black out and win.
He lost and died.
He found a way to come back from the dead.
He regained the ability to black out and win.
He had a fight and he blacked out and he won.
All of the development and exposition made for an interesting character who did uninteresting things. And when the interesting character is weird and the stakes are confusing and not very compelling (you'd better win or a mythological alligator will have someone kill people before they can commit murder!)... it was hard for me to feel engaged.
There was more meat on the bones than Eternals, and they dealt with the "why didn't they stop thanos" issue better than Eternals did, but after some thought it's still hard for me to put it very high on the mcu list.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The acting in Moon Knight puts it way over FAWS for me. I also think the plot was better, but not as fleshed out as it should have been.
What do you mean by Moon Knight dealt with "why didn't they stop Thanos" better than Eternals?
The Gods mentioned that they don’t like to show their powers and let people think they exist. They were pissed with the night sky rewind that Khonshu did. That’s the only thing I can think of on Thanos.
Doug B
Footballguy
Yep. Still think Moon Knight needed more air time. Even an extra two ~40-minute episodes would've been helpful.
Good point on blackout winning. Some was Mark but when the SHTF is was the end credit scene guy (Jake I think) who somehow had more power. I posted that above where it’s one thing to think that Stephen didn’t know how to fight but if Jake could just beat Harrow with Amit’s weapon, that kind of makes everything else inconsequential. The personality that basically defeated Amit was an end credit scene. That felt a bit cheap in resolving Harrow/Amit.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I thought the finale was very good. For me, #2 in the D+ lineup behind Wanda.
Doug B
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
Not sure what to think about Moon Knight. Agree with most of the above, but not sure if I liked it or not.
Tickets for MoM for tonight, see you on the other side of the Madness!
Tickets for MoM for tonight, see you on the other side of the Madness!
Hmm, different strokes. I was amped for it and enjoyed the beginning more than the ending. I’d put it well below Wanda, Loki and Hawkeye. Not really counting What If because it was mainly one episode per story. It’s on the tier with Falcon for me, which stinks.
ETA: Stinks as in too bad I put it close to Falcon since I was looking forward to it more.
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