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Struggling Harrison starting to look like a liability

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports

7 hours, 31 minutes ago

PITTSBURGH – Is one of the greatest receivers in NFL history merely in a slump or is he slumping his way to the finish of his career?

That is the question surrounding wide receiver Marvin Harrison, even in the aftermath of a dramatic 24-20 victory Sunday by the Indianapolis Colts against the Pittsburgh Steelers and their daunting defense.

The answer to that question – which comes as Harrison dropped two potential touchdown passes that could have made this game easy for the Colts – is critical to the remainder of Indianapolis’ season. If the 5-4 Colts are to make a serious run at and in the playoffs, Harrison has to be part of the solution.

Not an unmistakable problem.

Through nine games, Harrison has 30 receptions for 357 yards and three touchdowns, putting him on pace for the worst full season of his career.

The first drop was a potential 50-yarder from quarterback Peyton Manning when Harrison was all by himself in the middle of the field. The throw was short, but certainly catchable.

Yet all Harrison could do on the play was lunge at the ball with one hand, letting any chance for a score slip away. He didn’t slow down or chop step. He didn’t even dive for it. Why? Perhaps Harrison is afraid to put pressure on the knee that bothered him so much last year and forced him to miss 11 games.

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In the third quarter, Harrison faced a slightly more difficult play on a potential 18-yard score on third-and-3. The ball went through his hands, but this was a catch Harrison has made a myriad of times in his life. The Colts ended up with a field goal, but the sum total of Harrison’s effort on those two plays was 11 points left on the field.

The other telling part of this game was that the Steelers primarily used second-year cornerback William Gay to cover Harrison. Gay is a fifth-round pick from Louisville who doesn’t regularly start. Gay got help from safety Tyrone Carter, another guy who makes his living primarily as a backup. This follows similar treatment Harrison received when Green Bay also used a backup cornerback on Harrison.

Over most of his career, Harrison has abused guys like Gay and Carter – spinning them like tops with his array of finely tuned moves. Now, teams like the Steelers are so brazen about their lack of respect for Harrison that they ran a defense on the second drop that basically forced the Colts to throw to Harrison.

That’s right, the Steelers funneled the ball toward him, challenging Harrison to make the play.

“You saw what we did against him. He’s not hurting anybody right now, so why worry about him?” the player said, rhetorically. “You have to make choices about who you cover.”

Indianapolis coach Tony Dungy flatly denied that anything is wrong with Harrison, saying, “He’s fine,” in a strong tone. While Dungy is largely above reproach, he’s the same guy who kept saying week-after-week last season that Harrison was getting better and was about to play.

Dungy also is a football coach, part of a class of men who have great tolerance for other people’s pain. It’s part of the job description.

As for Manning, he wouldn’t bite on questions about Harrison.

“Let me tell you, there was nothing really clean all night against (Pittsburgh),” Manning said. “Every throw that we made, there was tight windows. We didn’t really have anybody running really, really wide open.”

Manning was then asked specifically if Harrison was physically OK based on the first drop.

“I think so. I can’t speak for anybody else. Every pass that’s incomplete, we always take a good, hard look at it, and I would never play the game around here about whose fault it is,” Manning said. “Every pass that’s incomplete, believe me, I start with me and how can I make a better throw. That was the case on that play.”

As for Harrison, he played it in his usual Garbo fashion, twice declining to talk after the game.

“This is the second time I’ve told you, not right now,” said Harrison, who has made a career of avoiding the media.

That said, Harrison doesn’t come off as mean-spirited or evil, just not interested in talking. When you are annually one of the best ever at your position, people can live without answers. They enjoy the results enough.

Now, however, people are wondering simply: What is wrong? Harrison opened the season against Chicago with a critical fumble and has struggled all season to get open. The Colts have tried to force feed him the ball at times, but it’s not working.

At this point in the season, there’s no more time for the stuff that’s not working.
 
This game was a real wake up call. The younger Marvin would have made those plays. It's so clear that he has lost a couple of steps that it was painful to watch.

 
This game was a real wake up call. The younger Marvin would have made those plays. It's so clear that he has lost a couple of steps that it was painful to watch.
He didn't look like he lost a step on either of those plays. He simply appears to have forgotten how to catch the ball.
 
It must be a mental trainwreck to go from one of the best recievers of all time to subpar. I am sure he is feeling the effects of old man time and it is getting to him.

 
I agree with the above comments. I was watching the game and couldn't believe the balls that Marvin missed. I remember on one of them, Manning looking very frustrated as he walked to the sidelines.

I hate to see great players lose their skills right in front of our eyes. Very sad, I always loved Harrison as a player. After watching that game yesterday, he should consider hanging 'em up now.

 
This game was a real wake up call. The younger Marvin would have made those plays. It's so clear that he has lost a couple of steps that it was painful to watch.
He didn't look like he lost a step on either of those plays. He simply appears to have forgotten how to catch the ball.
Good post you and you bring up a good point. I'm certainly someone who has come on here lately saying that Marvin had indeed lost a step. Than you this article about how the Steelers did not fear Marvin and he still put up sorry numbers and the conclusion most people draw is that he sucks and Pittsburgh was right. But even someone like myself who has been saying Marvin is washed up must concede that had he caught those one or both of those passes would we be saying the Steelers gameplan was wrong and would we be saying Marvin was back and not washed up? I understand he did not catch the passes and I'm not trying to turn this into a" if my aunt had onions she would be my uncle" type of deal but the talk on Marvin is that his physical skills had eroded but I don't see why he can't catch all of sudden.
 
Move WR up into the top-3 for things Indy needs to address this offseason right behind DT and OL.

That game was painful to watch, if I'm Indy I'm seriously going to a base 2-TE set with Gonzo in Harrison's spot. Maybe Marvin can still be useful as a spot player ala Ricky Proehl, but he appears to be at best the 4th best weapon in the Colts passing game.

 
I honestly believe that Harrison has some mental health issues, and I think he may be suffering from PTSD over the gun incident.

 
I honestly believe that Harrison has some mental health issues, and I think he may be suffering from PTSD over the gun incident.
You're gonna get toasted for that post, trying to play therapist for a guy you know nothing about. But I wouldn't be a bit surprised if what you said is dead-on. He doesn't look emotionally "okay" to me. He looks like a sad individual. Now granted, I'm looking at him while he's busy sucking at a game he excelled at only a short time ago, but even when he makes a play he just kinda looks..."not there".
 
He made some of the Pittsburgh CBs look silly yesterday with some nice cuts, but his hands were horrible and its obvious he's afraid to get hit. I think Harrison is gone after the season at Indy.

 
Its the main reason I went after Dallas Clark hard-n-heavy in the leagues where I needed a TE, four weeks ago.

 
I just picked up Harrison in one of my start 3 wr leagues as my #6. He is dropping a ton of passes, but with the schedule he has left I thought he had more potential upside than some other guys.

 
Harrison does have a good schedule coming up- including Detroit in Week 15- playoff in my league- with Indy prob fighting for a wildcard spot. He has looked very good at times on routes- he destroyed the Balt CB and would have had a huge game had Manning not completely missed him on some wide open plays... Yesterday, he also beat the CB several times and he was the one who dropped the balls. Earlier in the season, I think Manning was partly to blame, yesterday it was Harrison... I can't see how he has lost his ability to catch though. Maybe his confidence is down or maybe he just dropped a couple of passes like all Wr's, but the spotlight is on him due to perception he has lost it....

If he does continue to beat the CB's teams are putting on him against some of these lesser teams coming up, I bet he hauls in a couple and has some decent games.

 
Marvin Harrison, WR (rank: 47) - Colts

Nov. 10, 1:57 p.m.

Coach Tony Dungy said in his Monday press conference that Marvin Harrison remains a starter over Anthony Gonzalez because the Colts believe Harrison gives them their best chance to win.

Fantasy spin: Dungy added that he'd be more concerned if Marvin wasn't getting behind defenses. Harrison dropped two possible TDs in Week 10, but the Colts think he's getting enough separation. It appears Gonzo will stay in the slot for now.

Sporting News post...

 
Move WR up into the top-3 for things Indy needs to address this offseason right behind DT and OL.That game was painful to watch, if I'm Indy I'm seriously going to a base 2-TE set with Gonzo in Harrison's spot. Maybe Marvin can still be useful as a spot player ala Ricky Proehl, but he appears to be at best the 4th best weapon in the Colts passing game.
I'm curious, where does the SP see Gonzalez ranked going into next season? I'm thinking Top 15 range, assuming Harrison's role continues to diminish.
 
Move WR up into the top-3 for things Indy needs to address this offseason right behind DT and OL.

That game was painful to watch, if I'm Indy I'm seriously going to a base 2-TE set with Gonzo in Harrison's spot. Maybe Marvin can still be useful as a spot player ala Ricky Proehl, but he appears to be at best the 4th best weapon in the Colts passing game.
I'm curious, where does the SP see Gonzalez ranked going into next season? I'm thinking Top 15 range, assuming Harrison's role continues to diminish.
Harrison's role isn't diminishing yet. Gonzalez will have basically the same role he currently has as long as he's in the slot, or Harrison is demoted, or Clark gets hurt. Assuming Wayne is healthy also.
 
Move WR up into the top-3 for things Indy needs to address this offseason right behind DT and OL.

That game was painful to watch, if I'm Indy I'm seriously going to a base 2-TE set with Gonzo in Harrison's spot. Maybe Marvin can still be useful as a spot player ala Ricky Proehl, but he appears to be at best the 4th best weapon in the Colts passing game.
I'm curious, where does the SP see Gonzalez ranked going into next season? I'm thinking Top 15 range, assuming Harrison's role continues to diminish.
Harrison's role isn't diminishing yet. Gonzalez will have basically the same role he currently has as long as he's in the slot, or Harrison is demoted, or Clark gets hurt. Assuming Wayne is healthy also.
I guess I should've used the words ability or production instead of role.That being said, will Gonzalez be a top flight guy after this season?

 
Move WR up into the top-3 for things Indy needs to address this offseason right behind DT and OL.

That game was painful to watch, if I'm Indy I'm seriously going to a base 2-TE set with Gonzo in Harrison's spot. Maybe Marvin can still be useful as a spot player ala Ricky Proehl, but he appears to be at best the 4th best weapon in the Colts passing game.
I'm curious, where does the SP see Gonzalez ranked going into next season? I'm thinking Top 15 range, assuming Harrison's role continues to diminish.
Harrison's role isn't diminishing yet. Gonzalez will have basically the same role he currently has as long as he's in the slot, or Harrison is demoted, or Clark gets hurt. Assuming Wayne is healthy also.
I guess I should've used the words ability or production instead of role.That being said, will Gonzalez be a top flight guy after this season?
Only if Harrison retires or is benched. I don't see Dungy benching Harrison either. Too many coaches have this loyalty thing going on, which frankly I don't understand. I say play your best players, and IMO Gonzalez is better than Harrison right now, and like so many of you in the Shark Pool so fondly like to say, "....and it isn't even close".
 
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Call me crazy but...buy low.And I watched the game yesterday.I saw drops but I've also seen timing issues that appear to be Manning's fault.
i agreehe was still getting open. just didn't hang on to the ball. or the ball was a little out of reach.
 
Call me crazy but...buy low.And I watched the game yesterday.I saw drops but I've also seen timing issues that appear to be Manning's fault.
Call me crazy but...Manning didn't have anything to do with Harrison being timid and seemingly scared to death out there.
 
I got him for a 4th rounder in a keep 14 league this preseason. Equivalent of an 18th rounder, and that was before this season that has all but confirmed people's fears about him. If his value has dropped to below 18-20th round value, he's really a buy low right now.

 
Call me crazy but...buy low.And I watched the game yesterday.I saw drops but I've also seen timing issues that appear to be Manning's fault.
Call me crazy but...Manning didn't have anything to do with Harrison being timid and seemingly scared to death out there.
I agree that he had a terrible game. I just am not buying that a game as bad as that will be the norm.
Harrison has not been good..but Manning does not seem to be the same dominant QB this year as he has been in the past.
 
Call me crazy but...buy low.And I watched the game yesterday.I saw drops but I've also seen timing issues that appear to be Manning's fault.
Call me crazy but...Manning didn't have anything to do with Harrison being timid and seemingly scared to death out there.
I agree that he had a terrible game. I just am not buying that a game as bad as that will be the norm.
Harrison has not been good..but Manning does not seem to be the same dominant QB this year as he has been in the past.
It's as if Manning throws for Harrison given Harrison's old speed, which is a half-step too far. That said, Harrison still has had a step on guys and given a slightly better thrown ball, Harrison could have 2 or 3 additional, long TDs. Whether he catches them is another question. I don't think he's mentally shot, but I don't know that.
 
props to Yudkin for nailing this one in preseason :thumbup:
Really, who didn't see this coming after last year?
:blackdot: With his performance last year and and offseason headlines for all the wrong reasons, having Harrison on your bust list this year wasn't exactly Swami material.
Yeah, this was pretty obvious. But if joffer wants to be a groupie, then who are we to stand in his way? Just use wetnaps afterward joffer
 
I honestly believe that Harrison has some mental health issues, and I think he may be suffering from PTSD over the gun incident.
haha he is a bum. I drafted him early last year, kept him throughout the ENTIRE injury. Came back did nothing, gave him a second chance this year and wanna drop him for someone to take for free. very frustrated in him. Does not help that manning is a ball hog, and throws it to wayne about 7/10 passes. even in triple coverage.
 
I honestly believe that Harrison has some mental health issues, and I think he may be suffering from PTSD over the gun incident.
haha he is a bum. I drafted him early last year, kept him throughout the ENTIRE injury. Came back did nothing, gave him a second chance this year and wanna drop him for someone to take for free. very frustrated in him. Does not help that manning is a ball hog, and throws it to wayne about 7/10 passes. even in triple coverage.
ANY QB is a ball hog, sseing as how QBs handle the pigskin on every play . . .
 
AG is pretty good. :lol:
I do think Harrison will hang em up after this season. Whatever the reason, he just can't play at a high level anymore. Pretty little chance that he gets better at 37 years old next year.As for Anthony Gonzalez, I agree he is pretty good. I just have doubts about him being really good. I just don't see him as a game breaking talent. I seriously doubt he's drafted as a top 15 WR next year.
 
Call me crazy but...buy low.And I watched the game yesterday.I saw drops but I've also seen timing issues that appear to be Manning's fault.
Call me crazy but...Manning didn't have anything to do with Harrison being timid and seemingly scared to death out there.
Well well well
Then he posted 9/77/1TD.He is now a possession receiver with Wayne/Gonzalez going deep...but still a solid WR2 when he has match-ups like SD
 
Call me crazy but...buy low.And I watched the game yesterday.I saw drops but I've also seen timing issues that appear to be Manning's fault.
Call me crazy but...Manning didn't have anything to do with Harrison being timid and seemingly scared to death out there.
Well well well
Then he posted 9/77/1TD.He is now a possession receiver with Wayne/Gonzalez going deep...but still a solid WR2 when he has match-ups like SD
If the Colts were @ home, Marvin would be my #2 WR. On the road - even if it is SD, he's my #5. Marvin is doing the T.Holt thing this year.
 
AG is pretty good. :D
I do think Harrison will hang em up after this season. Whatever the reason, he just can't play at a high level anymore. Pretty little chance that he gets better at 37 years old next year.As for Anthony Gonzalez, I agree he is pretty good. I just have doubts about him being really good. I just don't see him as a game breaking talent. I seriously doubt he's drafted as a top 15 WR next year.
Oh I totaly agree that he won't be drafted as a top 15 WR next year. The herd has been pretty down on this guy from the begining. Really nice value next year I think especially if Marvin doesen't retire.AG will be going into his 3rd season next year and has been gaining ever valuable experience. There was a time that people doubted Wayne being a really good WR and that he was only feeding off Manning and Marvin. I think AG has similar potential. So the only real question in my mind is do you think Manning is losing some of his talent over the next few years?

 
purestrength said:
His stats were ho-hum, but the Human Liability made a nice fourth-down catch that helped the Colts beat the Chargers.
Yeah that was sweet how he didn't drop a ball thrown to him so wide open most school kids woulda caught it - love how he didn't even try to get up and get an extra yard or 2. ol Alligator Arms is so done! he needs to do the Colts a favor and retire. Maybe he could go back to Philly and open up a car wash or gun shop or something. Or he could just combine the 2.
 
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