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Any thoughts on Marvin Harrison?

Does he look "almost" back to form? Can he still be a playmaker?

He was targeted alot in this past weeks game- I would have loved to see him be able to run away from somebody, or are those days over?

Or- will he just be a heavily targeted possession receiver like a Bobby Engram was for Seattle last year?

(which of course still makes him a top 25 in a ppr league)

Where do you see him ranking at the end of the year for receivers?

 
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basenjiwarrior said:
Any thoughts on Marvin Harrison?Does he look "almost" back to form? Can he still be a playmaker? He was targeted alot in this past weeks game- I would have loved to see him be able to run away from somebody, or are those days over? Or- will he just be a heavily targeted possession receiver like a Bobby Engram was for Seattle last year?(which of course still makes him a top 25 in a ppr league)Where do you see him ranking at the end of the year for receivers?
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I actually thought he looked better than I thought he would. There's not doubt that Wayne is # 1 but Harrison will still get plenty of looks in a pass happy offense to be a fairly decent WR #3.. IMO..
 
basenjiwarrior said:
Any thoughts on Marvin Harrison?Does he look "almost" back to form? Can he still be a playmaker? He was targeted alot in this past weeks game- I would have loved to see him be able to run away from somebody, or are those days over? Or- will he just be a heavily targeted possession receiver like a Bobby Engram was for Seattle last year?(which of course still makes him a top 25 in a ppr league)Where do you see him ranking at the end of the year for receivers?
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Yes.Yes. Doubtful.Yes.Yes.Somewhere around WR24.He can still catch the ball and curl up like an armadillo before being hit. He runs good enough routes to get open and has the timing and trust with Peyton. He'll get a lot of catches, but I wouldn't expect double digit TDs or a multitude of 40+ yard plays from him. I thought he looked like he definitely lost a step or two.
 
only saw part of the game, but looked like he was running good routes and catching the ball well. looked like the timing was there.

didn't look like any of the routes were designed to pick up any extra yardage. like the last guy said, pretty much catch the ball and that's where the play ended.

but i was encouraged by what i saw after some of the "he's done" comments in the offseason.

 
On a couple of run plays, especially the one at their own goalline, the Colts had Marvin in motion and brought him to outside of the oline to try and drive block a linebacker! So, the coaches must not feel they need to baby his knees...

His routes were short, catch it and drop, but that's always been Marvin's game.. Just in the past, once or twice a game he would suddenly by by the defender for a long game. That certainly didn't happen, but it's only one game, and he has had stretches in the past where he was quiet and a possession WR for several games...

There was also an attempt to throw Marvin a 25yd or so td pass, I'm not sure what the route was called, but basically it was a blow by the guy down the sideline route-- the defender bumped him, then held him as Manning lofted the past. Called for defensive holding... Who know if Marvin makes it past the guy without the hold or not, but at least the Colts were trying... They must have some kind of confidence in the guy...

 
If week 1 is any indication, I'd be shocked if Harrison wasn't a top-20 WR barring injury. He looked very good and oddly enough when the Colts went to a 1 WR set on short yardage plays it was Harrison and not Wayne that was on the field, I'm not sure that means anything but I found it interesting.

I see a solid WR2 here with top-10 potential if Manning can get a little more time to throw. The one thing I think we learned for certain is that Anthony Gonzalez is not a threat for Harrison's job whatsoever.

 
He looked good. A lot better than where he was projected to be. I got him in the 7th round. Can't be more happy.

 
He looked quick, but not fast to me.

Caught the ball well and was getting plenty of targets, Reggie Wayne as someone stated is clearly #1. But Marvin as #2 was really good.

Didn't look hurt at all IMO.

 
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I think he's the shorter possession type receiver with Wayne and Gonzalez the deeper threats. He'll get lots of catches, and will be proficient in the red zone. Not sure he will get the deep stuff though. I thought he looked good.

 
Wayne put up top 10 numbers at the #2 when Harrison was #1, no reason to think Harrison can't do the same. What he lacks in the youth that Wayne had going for him as the #2, he can make up with his route running, timing, and experience..

 
Judge Smails said:
I think he's the shorter possession type receiver with Wayne and Gonzalez the deeper threats. He'll get lots of catches, and will be proficient in the red zone. Not sure he will get the deep stuff though. I thought he looked good.
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I agree, not sure Marvin has the burst to run long routes anymore. The 5-8 yard slant then sit down. It see him still getting his catches, but I do not see the 40-50 yard Tds anymore.
 
Sorry to disagree with everyone here but I think Gonzalas has his spot soon. For the second game in a row (SD playoff game) he had a fumble returned for 6. If I am Dungy I have to wonder if I can trust him with the ball. He looks OK on the dink and dunks but when he gets hit the ball comes out. Any more fumbles and he will be on the bench. I don't see any break-away speed, so that leaves you with a possession receiver who fumbles a lot, not a good combination.

 
DeCleater said:
Sorry to disagree with everyone here but I think Gonzalas has his spot soon. For the second game in a row (SD playoff game) he had a fumble returned for 6. If I am Dungy I have to wonder if I can trust him with the ball. He looks OK on the dink and dunks but when he gets hit the ball comes out. Any more fumbles and he will be on the bench. I don't see any break-away speed, so that leaves you with a possession receiver who fumbles a lot, not a good combination.
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That would be a shame b/c I'm sure he's the only person to ever fumble during consecutive games, right? :thumbup: If you think for one minute that Dungy is going to bench Harrison because he fumbled in back to back games, you're crazy!Tony Dungy sitting in his office contemplating if he can trust Harrison with the ball:"Hmmm, I wonder if can I trust Marvin with the ball anymore???""Let me take a look at his career stats."Career:games-176 receptions-1050 yards-14020 TD's-123 fumbles-10fumbles lost- 7 WHAT WAS I THINKING
 
Harrison is showing his age to me. He can still work the underneath stuff but you can tell his age has robbed him of that quickness and explosiveness he was known for. For 36 yrs old though, I tip my hat. Peyton will still look to him to move the chains but anything over 20yds looks like it will be Wayne or Gonzalez.

 
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I liked this thread. Debating Bowe vs. Harriso9n this week. PPR I have to think that he gets his 6-10 catches vs. 4-8 catches. TDs are a wash... I'm leaning to Marvin.

Not an AC fish, it just backs up that in PPR he's still getting looks and catches.

 
The Vikes pass D is as bad as last year (last in the league). One Jared Allen is not going to change it suddenly. Their safeties still stink (Madieu is out and he was their FA pick up) and their #1 CB is a great tackler but gets beat quite a bit. I would start Harrison with confidence; I cannot see how you bench him in a game played in a dome on a team that does not want to go 0-2.

 
The Marvin Harrison I saw in week 1 was nowhere near the player I remember watching before the injury. The fumble was a nice play by Tillman, but it was still very uncharacteristic of Harrison to have lost the ball on that play. He could always catch and hold onto the ball as well as anyone I've seen. A little later in the game, when Harrison was unable to get both feet in bounds on a sideline catch, I couldn't believe my eyes. imo, Harrison was the best in the league at making those catches.

It's still possible that Harrison was regaining familiarity with the speed of an NFL game, but I'm not optimistic. Harrison still has some quickness, an solid understanding of the offense, and an amazing QB, so he might get decent stats. However, I'm going to be buying Anthony Gonzalez stock in my dynasty leagues.

 
Jerry Lawler said:
The Marvin Harrison I saw in week 1 was nowhere near the player I remember watching before the injury. The fumble was a nice play by Tillman, but it was still very uncharacteristic of Harrison to have lost the ball on that play. He could always catch and hold onto the ball as well as anyone I've seen. A little later in the game, when Harrison was unable to get both feet in bounds on a sideline catch, I couldn't believe my eyes. imo, Harrison was the best in the league at making those catches.It's still possible that Harrison was regaining familiarity with the speed of an NFL game, but I'm not optimistic. Harrison still has some quickness, an solid understanding of the offense, and an amazing QB, so he might get decent stats. However, I'm going to be buying Anthony Gonzalez stock in my dynasty leagues.
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ttle different than the intent of the thread I think. No doubt Gonzalez is the long term(Dynasty) play, but currently Marvin was clearly very involved. Would you agree?Gonzalez value now would be a longer term injury to Dallas Clark.
 
He's not the same player, but alot of what happened today was Manning taking what was given. Harrison was open on 2 crossing patterns that I saw where Manning was running for his life before he could throw it... The Gonzolez was getting good matchups as the 3rd WR... GIve it a couple more weeks. I'd say Harrison will be very inconsistent, but he should put up decent WR2, WR3#'s.

 
Today proved he's not the must start he used to be. If you were in the camp already, that's fine, but today's game should have solidified that for everyone.

He's still going to be good enough to have some good games, but if you just go ahead and START Marvin every week, you're going to have some disappointments.

It's easy to see in the stats that Gonzalaez had a good game as the WR3, but it's more than that. The guy is pretty good, he's getting open. Peyton Manning is going to throw to the guy that's open and is making plays.

I actually tried to trade Gonazales last week and the other owner declinded........that same trade this week I wouldn't even offer as I think Gonzales looks pretty solid.

 
He looks disinterested and ineffective.

There's a reason why Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez caught 14 balls and were looked at in the clutch.

Meanwhile Harrison had one lone catch, and didn't even attempt to break up an INT. Disinterested. Ineffective. Finished.

 
whodeywhodey said:
Updates on this after today's game? I wasn't able to see it. It appears that the new WR duo is Wayne and Gonzo2.
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Harrison did have Winfield on him most of the game so take that into account. Basically though, as people have stated, it's his age - he's lost that slight step he used to have to get the separation he needs because of his small size. I honestly think he has maybe one more year in the league.
 
Zow said:
whodeywhodey said:
Updates on this after today's game? I wasn't able to see it. It appears that the new WR duo is Wayne and Gonzo2.
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Harrison did have Winfield on him most of the game so take that into account. Basically though, as people have stated, it's his age - he's lost that slight step he used to have to get the separation he needs because of his small size. I honestly think he has maybe one more this is his last year in the league.
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Fixed.
 
Zow said:
whodeywhodey said:
Updates on this after today's game? I wasn't able to see it. It appears that the new WR duo is Wayne and Gonzo2.
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Harrison did have Winfield on him most of the game so take that into account. Basically though, as people have stated, it's his age - he's lost that slight step he used to have to get the separation he needs because of his small size. I honestly think he has maybe one more year in the league.
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watching winfield lately that doesn't mean much imo. many people thought harrison was done and he looked the part today....
 
I still like Harrison, Indy had a match up they liked with Gonzalez and they exploited it. The Vikes still had their best cover guy on Harrison and he was doubled more than any other Colts WR so clearly defenses still respect him. I still think Marvin should be a top-20 WR. WR's have games like this(see Torry Holt last week) if owners are treating Harrison like he's done, then he is an excellent buy low.

 
travdogg said:
I still like Harrison, Indy had a match up they liked with Gonzalez and they exploited it. The Vikes still had their best cover guy on Harrison and he was doubled more than any other Colts WR so clearly defenses still respect him. I still think Marvin should be a top-20 WR. WR's have games like this(see Torry Holt last week) if owners are treating Harrison like he's done, then he is an excellent buy low.
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Let me guess. Harrison owner?
 
whodeywhodey said:
travdogg said:
I still like Harrison, Indy had a match up they liked with Gonzalez and they exploited it. The Vikes still had their best cover guy on Harrison and he was doubled more than any other Colts WR so clearly defenses still respect him. I still think Marvin should be a top-20 WR. WR's have games like this(see Torry Holt last week) if owners are treating Harrison like he's done, then he is an excellent buy low.
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Let me guess. Harrison owner?
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Actually I'm a Manning/Wayne owner. Might be a Harrison owner if his current owner thinks he's done.
 
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
He looks disinterested and ineffective.
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This is what I think stops him from approaching the younger Harrison days - yeah he's lost a step but he still has considerable skills - just doesn't seem to be giving it his all IMO. My God......Harrison has become Randy Moss. :football:

 
Harrison always looked somewhat disinterested.. He's never looked fast, would catch some short passes and go down as soon as the defender was near him... Then suddenly he was open for a big game.... I love the guy, but thats how he always has looked. Has deceptive speed and run great routes..... I've had him on my teams 5 times, and I really don't think he looks that different.... Today was terrible and it cost me my matchup, but every WR has those games... Last week, Harrison had a decent game.... It's too early to tell... He WAS open on a couple of crossing patterns, but Manning couldn't throw because he was runnign for his life.. Sometimes, its just the way the games go..

I bet he gets better as the season goes on...

 
This week's game worsened my concerns following the week 1 game. Winfield showed no respect for Harrison's speed, playing him tight all day, and it worked. Harrison never burned him, but that could be due to the fact that Manning had very little time to get rid of the ball. If the rest of the Colts offense can improve, it should open up a few things for Harrison, but he doesn't look like he has any dominant seasons left. If he stays healthy, Harrison could be a good 4th WR for a fantasy team this year.

Harrison's lone catch was pretty impressive. He caught a pass across the middle and hung on as he got hit pretty hard.

 
Jerry Lawler said:
This week's game worsened my concerns following the week 1 game. Winfield showed no respect for Harrison's speed, playing him tight all day, and it worked. Harrison never burned him, but that could be due to the fact that Manning had very little time to get rid of the ball. If the rest of the Colts offense can improve, it should open up a few things for Harrison, but he doesn't look like he has any dominant seasons left. If he stays healthy, Harrison could be a good 4th WR for a fantasy team this year.

Harrison's lone catch was pretty impressive. He caught a pass across the middle and hung on as he got hit pretty hard.
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Those of us still pimping Marvin don't think he'll be the Marvin of old, but calling him DOA is a bit premature. 50 catches is within reach and value if you didn't overpay for the guy. The biggest negative from yesterday's game was the breakout game that Gonzalez had.

 
Like he is lucky to playing in the league at all(ie shooting that guy)...

j/k...

but yeah, "old" comes to mind. Still think he will put up decent numbers, possibly even approach Stokely 2004 #'s, but he has clearly lost some steps/fight...

 
Having watched and then rewatched the Jags/Colts game from this week, I would say Marv hasn't lost much at all. Sure he came away with only one TD, but he was routinely beating pro bowl CB rashean mathis and should have had two more TDs if Manning could have hit him in stride instead of under throwing the ball. I was very encouraged, and for the rest of this season at least, i'd say Marv is a great buy low right now. He could legitimately finish in the top 15

 
Alluro said:
Having watched and then rewatched the Jags/Colts game from this week, I would say Marv hasn't lost much at all. Sure he came away with only one TD, but he was routinely beating pro bowl CB rashean mathis and should have had two more TDs if Manning could have hit him in stride instead of under throwing the ball. I was very encouraged, and for the rest of this season at least, i'd say Marv is a great buy low right now. He could legitimately finish in the top 15
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:goodposting: Antoine Winfield deserves more credit than we gave him for blanketing Harrison in week 2. I wanted to chalk that up to Harrison losing a step, but he was routinely getting separation last week on Mathis, and he torched the nickel back (Will James) on a late 4th down to keep the game alive for the Colts. The fact that they called Marv's # on that play, and not a high percentage play, but a deep play on a short 4th down, shows the trust Peyton and co have for Harrison right now.
 
Once the Colts offense is clicking, Harrison will be very valuable... He may not be as explosive, but you can't tell me with his route running, the #2 option in that system, that he won't put up good numbers!!

every time he has a bad game, there will be people who says "he's done" but there's not a WR in the league who won't have clunkers here and there... Owens last week, Edwards every week, Moss, etc

 
KingEl said:
Once the Colts offense is clicking, Harrison will be very valuable... He may not be as explosive, but you can't tell me with his route running, the #2 option in that system, that he won't put up good numbers!! every time he has a bad game, there will be people who says "he's done" but there's not a WR in the league who won't have clunkers here and there... Owens last week, Edwards every week, Moss, etc
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Good post and some of the other posts were good too. I don't think Harrison is done yet. He was targeted twice on a couple long throws by Manning which would have led to TDs if Manning wouldn't have overthrown him. Then what would the talk be? The O-Line in Indy is in trouble which might hurt Harrison some but I think even as the #2 option he should do ok.
 
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AgentMulder said:
KingEl said:
Once the Colts offense is clicking, Harrison will be very valuable... He may not be as explosive, but you can't tell me with his route running, the #2 option in that system, that he won't put up good numbers!! every time he has a bad game, there will be people who says "he's done" but there's not a WR in the league who won't have clunkers here and there... Owens last week, Edwards every week, Moss, etc
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Good post and some of the other posts were good too. I don't think Harrison is done yet. He was targeted twice on a couple long throws by Manning which would have led to TDs if Manning wouldn't have overthrown him. Then what would the talk be? The O-Line in Indy is in trouble which might hurt Harrison some but I think even as the #2 option he should do ok.
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Some good practice/recovery time this week could really help Peyton's timing that has been a little off (methinks due to sitting on the couch all preseason).
 
How does Harrison LOOK? Like the biggest fairy that ever played the game?

Hit me and I fumble...

Give me a mean look and I go out of bounds, like the ghost of Drew Bledsoe shoulda woulda coulda.

His #1 season looks a lot like Hack Wilson's in hindsight.

But nobody wants to know about how he 'looks' does he?

 
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