Marvin Lewis - Throws his team under the bus (1 Viewer)

[greyone]

Was litsening to ESPN radio on the way home from local MNF hangout(pick one: casino, sportsbook, stripclub, divebar)

Reported Marvin Lewis told his players *hearsay*

"not to come back tomorrow if they don't want to be a part of this(Bengals) team"

Wonder whats else is goin on here? Besides the obvious. Probably also has something to do with Chad and Palmer going at it...all over tv.

I just saw the thread about CJ superstar getting in the way of CJ football player. Another thread about Housh saying he is "cool". I wonder whats going on behind closed doors.

 

[PranksterJD]

I just saw the thread about CJ superstar getting in the way of CJ football player. Another thread about Housh saying he is "cool". I wonder whats going on behind closed doors.

The Housh thread was him saying he was "cool" ( read: physically not harmed ) after the hit he took at the end of the game, not saying he was a "cool" ( read: badass ) person.

 

[thayman]

How is that statement throwing his team under the bus??

 

[Keys Myaths]

"not to come back tomorrow if they don't want to be a part of this(Bengals) team"

I'd be very disappointed if Lewis didn't say something like this. It was an embarrassing effort.

Wonder whats else is goin on here? Besides the obvious. Probably also has something to do with Chad and Palmer going at it...all over tv.

Chad/Palmer going at it was actually a bright spot. At least they wanted to win.

 

[knowledge dropper]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.

The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).

We Want Marty (too)!!!!

 

[letter_j]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.

To be exact, however, it was after the end of the quarter, not after a timeout. Point well taken. Just nitpickin'.

 

[Sabertooth]

Maybe Marvin Lewis ought to take a good look in the mirror. As was pointed out, he was brought in to bring a defense. He hasn't done so. He didn't have enough linebackers last night either. He went into the game with four? I'd be interested to know why he only had four backers against the Pats.

He's starting to become a punchline.

 

[shadyridr]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

 

[Sabertooth]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

 

[shadyridr]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

 

[Ghost Rider]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

That extra point would not have given them the win over Denver. It would have only tied the game.

 

[jafo]

How quickly people forget...that is the truth.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Maybe Marvin Lewis ought to take a good look in the mirror. As was pointed out, he was brought in to bring a defense. He hasn't done so. He didn't have enough linebackers last night either. He went into the game with four? I'd be interested to know why he only had four backers against the Pats.

He's starting to become a punchline.

Is that necessarily his fault?

 

[mcdons3]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

That extra point would not have given them the win over Denver. It would have only tied the game.

Which would most likely qualify them as a "contender" for the "playoffs", wouldn't it?Although, to be fair, every team is technically a playoff contender until they're mathematically eliminated.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Hopefully the Bengals bring in Norv Turner after this season to teach all the fans a lesson for forgetting how bad they had it pre Marvin Lewis.

 

[jturner01]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

They have so many good draft picks before he got there (offensive) How can they not be good. Seriously , Marvin needs to step it up. This team has no leadership, he is thier buddy, it worked for the 1st couple of years but they may need a new voice before they become the Bungles again.

 

[jafo]

Maybe this will refresh some memories....

Marvin Ronald Lewis (September 23, 1958) has been the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League since January 14, 2003.

Lewis is the only head coach in Bengals history who has not experienced a losing season and, in 2005, led the Bengals to their first winning season and division title in 15 years.

In the 5 years Marvin Lewis has coached he has a combined 36 - 32 record.

The previous 5 years the Bengals had a combined 19 - 61 record.

 

[The_Man]

As a Baltimore homer, I think Marvin and Brian Billick are an interesting case study.

Billick came to a franchise that had been a joke since coming from Cleveland and won a Super Bowl in his second year. He has incredible organizational and management skills and has set the tone for a winning franchise. Yet because he came here billed as an "offensive genius" and the offense has stunk throughout his tenure and relied on the defense to win, a sizable number of fans in Baltimore think he's a fraud and should be fired.

Marvin came to a Cincinnati team that was legitimately the laughing stock of the NFL. He, too, set a tone for the franchise, used his leadership skills, and made the Bengals a playoff contender. But because he came billed as a "defensive genius" and the defense has stunk throughout his tenure and relied on the offense to win, a growing number of fans in Cincy think he's a fraud and should be fired.

Sometimes I think the Bengals and Ravens should trade coaches. It's as if the Ravens fans would be far more accepting of a winning team that relies on defense if they had a defense-minded head coach.

I think Marvin is a great coach, and that the Bengals could never have landed someone of his caliber if the hiring market for black coaches that exists today had been in place even five years ago. It was a joke that he didn't even get an interview following the Ravens 2000 season, and he has built Cincy into a legit NFL team.

 

[shadyridr]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.

The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).

We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

They have so many good draft picks before he got there (offensive) How can they not be good. Seriously , Marvin needs to step it up. This team has no leadership, he is thier buddy, it worked for the 1st couple of years but they may need a new voice before they become the Bungles again.

Exactly, they were terrible even with all those top draft picks... until they got a good coach.

 

[BusMan]

All fans should realize that the consistently good teams are usually the ones with the longest tenured coaches.

 

[Keys Myaths]

All fans should realize that the consistently good teams are usually the ones with the longest tenured coaches.

Don't you think this is a correlation vs. causation thing?If you're winning, why would the owner rock the boat by firing the head coach? Doesn't happen.

 

[Butters]

If you're winning, why would the owner rock the boat by firing the head coach? Doesn't happen.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=346403

 

[Kirby]

I think the play calling was embarassing. You hold the Patriots to a field goal and you don't come out trying to push it down the field to make them have to play catch up. They should have been no huddle, passing every down that first drive.

 

[Autumn Wind]

All fans should realize that the consistently good teams are usually the ones with the longest tenured coaches.

Don't you think this is a correlation vs. causation thing?If you're winning, why would the owner rock the boat by firing the head coach? Doesn't happen.

I think the point being made was that even a good coach can have off years, and it's important for ownership/management to not overreact.

 

[jturner01]

I could really care less who the head coach of the Bengals is. I just think they look like a team that is in disarray. My point is that his freiendly demeanor with the players may not be what is needed to get this team back together. As far as the longest tenured coaches, I agree, but when you lose a team, sometimes changes are needed, especially if there is a coach available of Shottenhiemer's pedigree. (better winning % in the regular season than Landry and Knoll) You do not change if there is nothing out there that is better. ( San Diego)

 

[Phurfur]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

What have you done for me lately? Just because a team was terrible does not doom them to mediocrity forever.

 

[Bri]

"not to come back tomorrow if they don't want to be a part of this(Bengals) team"

I'd be very disappointed if Lewis didn't say something like this. It was an embarrassing effort.

Granted it's a bit much but why is it embarassing?I saw some poor effort and poor tackling and poor discipline on D that would make any coach upset.Also-Their D is terrible. Granted some of their better players are "troublemakers" not playing but where were the moves to replace them with a decent player? Dhani Jones is not very good and not much of a replacement. He sorta epitomizes how I feel about some of their moves on D.

 

[WampusCat43]

Lewis got us to mediocrity. We need Cowher to get us to respectability.

 

[Bri]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

What have you done for me lately? Just because a team was terrible does not doom them to mediocrity forever.

What he saidHis team is falling apart. He deserved credit in the past but should get his criticism now as well. He often says similarly about getting credit whenit's due, I wouldn't doubt you could find a few pressers at the team site where he is saying something similar.

 

[Schrute]

I don't understand a lot of the comments from Lewis supporters. So just because there was incompetence for so long in Cinci before Lewis, that means he should get to stick around because he's at least mediocre? If that's the standard in Cinci, you might as well sell the franchise.

 

[jafo]

Its still early in the season. Way too early for a coaching change.

Interesting stat...when looking at who the Bengals have lost to, those teams have a combined record of 9-3.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Its about time Marvin threw his team under the bus. Until now, only veteran players like Willie Anderson have been holding the other players accountable. Having said that, Marvin is a horrible game coach. He needs to hire a full time guy to tell him when to throw the challenge flag, and another full time guy as a time out consultant.

 

[Phurfur]

Its still early in the season. Way too early for a coaching change.Interesting stat...when looking at who the Bengals have lost to, those teams have a combined record of 9-3.

They should have lost to Balt. too.

 

[BusMan]

At least give him the rest of the year, Who Deyers.

 

[The Jerk]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

That extra point would not have given them the win over Denver. It would have only tied the game.

Shayne Graham missed a 39 yard field goal at the end of regulation in the final game of the regular season at home against the Steelers. If the kick is good, they would have been the sixth seed. Instead, they lost in overtime.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Let's see how they come out of the bye and what happens. The upcoming schedule is much more friendly.

Hopefully we are signing some LBs today and not waiting, since they'll be needing a crash course. They should also give Geathers full reps at LB.

A lot of what he does p's me off, but it could've been worse - the other finalist when they hired him was Coughlin.

:X to Cowher. Just like I never wanted Messier to be a Devil, I would not want this.

-QG

 

[letter_j]

Marvin is a horrible game coach. He needs to hire a full time guy to tell him when to throw the challenge flag, and another full time guy as a time out consultant.

I've often wondered about this...Marvin is NOT the only coach that has this weakness. Perhaps in the future NFL teams will look at hiring MIT grads (in mathematics) to determine when challenges are worthwhile and when they are not. :X

 

[The Jerk]

I don't understand a lot of the comments from Lewis supporters. So just because there was incompetence for so long in Cinci before Lewis, that means he should get to stick around because he's at least mediocre? If that's the standard in Cinci, you might as well sell the franchise.

I understand the situation is better than in the 1990s, but the Bengals had arguably the worst decade in the history of pro football. Many coaches would have succeeded given the fact that Mike Brown got out of the decision making process and the Bengals drafted Carson Palmer. I'm not sure what Marvin Lewis should be credited with here. The discipline of the players both on and off the field has been appalling. Off the field, Lewis and others in management purposely pursued "value" picks, drafting players who slid way down to later rounds due to character issues. On the field, Lewis has allowed Chad Johnson to display megalomania, specifically with the attention drawn to his TD celebrations. The defense is just as bad or worse than it was when he arrived as a supposed defensive guru.I still remember that the year the Bengals went 11-5 in 2005. I broke down their season the following way:

The Bengals victory in Pittsburgh appeared to be a touchstone of sorts at the time and essentially clinched the division, but recall that in that game the Bengals were outgained 474-324 in yards and had a 4-0 turnover advantage.But let's not stop there. Look at the Bengals 2005 season as a whole:8-1 record against teams 6-10 or worse (lost to Buffalo in Week 16 at home)3-4 record against teams 9-7 or betterBreak down those three wins vs. winning teams:Week 2 Minnesota HOME when the Vikings were in complete disarrayWeek 3 Chicago AWAY well before the Bears put their season together (recall that the Bears started 1-3 and lost to the Browns the week after losing to the Bengals)Week 13 Pittsburgh AWAY with Roethlisberger recovering from surgery and before the Steelers got on their Super Bowl run (Steelers record was 7-5 after this game)You might compare this to the Steelers 8-4 record against winning teams, including victories at Indianapolis, at Denver, at Cincinnati twice, at San Diego, and at Minnesota.But don't let these facts dissuade anyone who wants to believe the Bengals had a more impressive 2005 season than the Steelers.

The Bengals offensive firepower has provided the illusion that they are a burgeoning juggernaut, when in reality, they pretty much define mediocrity.

 

[Tau837]

Maybe this will refresh some memories....Marvin Ronald Lewis (September 23, 1958) has been the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals of the National Football League since January 14, 2003.Lewis is the only head coach in Bengals history who has not experienced a losing season and, in 2005, led the Bengals to their first winning season and division title in 15 years.In the 5 years Marvin Lewis has coached he has a combined 36 - 32 record.The previous 5 years the Bengals had a combined 19 - 61 record.

Well, did the Bengals have Palmer, Rudi, CJ, and Housh in the 5 years before Lewis? Things are different now. Sure, they have made an improvement, and Lewis does deserve some credit for that. But that doesn't mean he is necessarily the coach to take them from where they are now to the next level. I do find it pretty interesting that he came in with the defensive background and their defense is a glaring weakness. I mean, if they replace Lewis, they might be inclined to replace him with another defensive coach...

 

[Rushmore]

Marty

To see the team fall completely apart towards the end of last season, and then see it translate over into this one, I'm officially calling the honeymoon off on Lewis. He's a jerk to the media, he challenges plays at the most ridiculous times (it's his responsibility to have someone up there in the booth that has a clue), his mismanagement of timeouts, and his seemingly lack of control over his team has me extremely mad. It may be a bit harsh at the moment, but I'm a very frustrated fan right now. And like what was mentioned earlier: We shouldn't have to compare this team to the dismal years before Lewis. **** Lebeau had a great draft the year he selected Justin Smith in the 1st, Chad Johnson in the 2nd, Rudi Johnson in the 4th, and TJ Houshmandzadeh in the 7th. Selecting Carson Palmer to go along with those players is what has made the offense what it is (along with some of the obvious like Willie, Levi, Brahm etc.).

 

[Verbal Kint]

The question to me is whether or not to give Marvin a free pass this year for all the injuries. On some level, I hold him accountable for the suspensions to O'Dell and Henry (and AJ Nicholson who was cut) as he is at least partly responsible to keep his players under control.

But as of Monday, here is a list of the draft picks they are missing (injuries in bold)

From Lonnie Wheeler, The Post

They miss their second, third and fourth draft choices from 2003. Eric Steinbach is in Cleveland, Kelley Washington is in New England, Dennis Weathersby is out of the game.

They miss their first and second draft choices from 2004. Chris Perry is hurt again. Keiwan Ratliff was released this week.

They miss their first, second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth draft choices from 2005. David Pollack had the neck injury. Odell Thurman is on his second year of suspension. Henry is unavailable for five more games. Eric Ghiaciuc has a chance to return to the lineup this week. Adam Kieft doesn't. Neither does Tab Perry.

They miss their second draft choice from this year. Kenny Irons is on crutches.

This doesn't include Rudi or LBs Ahmad Brooks and Caleb Miller who are all injured, and doesn't include the in-game injuries to LBs Marshall and Landon Johnson. Pro-bowler Willie Anderson is playing hurt, and Levi Jones is just now getting back into the starting lineup. Granted, all teams have injuries, but this far exceeds the norm, and I give credit to the team for playing as well as they have with such depleted depth (especially among starters). I have to wonder whether there is something wrong with their conditioning regimen or if its just a streak of bad bad luck.

 

[Sabertooth]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

Oh so they were good two years ago. Got it! A veritable powerhouse.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

this whole thread breaks my heart

 

[TME]

How about a coach that gets nailed for 12 defenders on the field after a timeout.The problem starts at the top. Marvin Lewis has no accountability in his mind for anything. I would have fired him after his "I'm just the coach" appearance on the Dan Patrick show. He is the worst gameday coach in the NFL. Mike Brown owes it to his fans to sever ties with Marvin Lewis (we paid for his stadium).We Want Marty (too)!!!!

How quickly people forget that Marvin Lewis turned this team around from a joke of a team to a playoff contendor. He changed the philosophy in Cincy. How quickly everybody forgets.

They are a playoff contender? Link?

Last year they missed the playoffs because of an extra point, 2 years ago they made the playoffs. How were they doing before Marv got there?

Oh so they were good two years ago. Got it! A veritable powerhouse.

by your logic the only playoff contenders in the AFC are the Colts and Pats.But regardless, the Bengals have been in and had a chance to win 2 of their 3 losses. Last night was the only time they were not in a game. But yes, they need to get over the hump and start having the close games go their way. The offense is going to need to pick up the slack and score 30 ppg to give this team a chance because the defense, as bad as it was anyway is in injury shambles. They are down to 3rd/4th string LBs.

 

[pwtrash]

Marvin changed the culture there. To his credit, he turned around a culture where losing was the expectation. The downside is that he also very clearly built a culture where accountability was absent to a large degree. It seems like it will be tough for him to start demanding accountability now, particularly while they are losing. It almost associates accountability with losing.

It's probably time for him to start trying to learn from these lessons elsewhere. I think he - unlike Norv - has the talent to be a very successful head coach in the league. He just might need to try it somewhere else. There are just too many ways to beat the Bengals this year.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Can we called them the BUNGALS again?

 

[stevegamer]

they need to be thrown under the bus right about now - too many discipline issues, and playing horribly.

 

[ChampBailey24]

Not Marvin's fault if he lost Odell Thurman and David Pollack. Add these 2 guys to the defence and this is not the same team.

 

[mad sweeney]

If you're winning, why would the owner rock the boat by firing the head coach? Doesn't happen.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=346403

I think that's proof positive why you DON'T do that.

 

[mad sweeney]

Can we called them the BUNGALS again?

How about Bungles instead?