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(Reuters) - Venezuelan security forces arrested opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez on Tuesday on charges of fomenting unrest that has killed at least four people, bringing tens of thousands of angry supporters onto the streets of Caracas.

Crowds of white-clad protesters stood in the way of the vehicle carrying the 42-year-old Harvard-educated economist after he made a defiant speech, said an emotional farewell to his family, and gave himself up to soldiers.

The vehicle eventually reached a military base.

Opposition leaders hope Lopez's arrest will galvanize street demonstrations against President Nicolas Maduro, though there is no immediate sign the protests will topple the socialist leader.

"I am handing myself over to an unfair justice system," the protest leader told supporters, standing on a platform next to a statue of Cuban poet and independence hero Jose Marti.

"May my imprisonment serve to wake the people up."

The crowd lifted his wife up to give him a final embrace and hang a crucifix around his neck.

Minutes later, he surrendered to military officers, pumping his fist and then stepping into the military vehicle with a Venezuelan flag in one hand and a white flower in the other.

Supporters impeded the vehicle's progress for several kilometers (miles) and later gathered at the gates of the La Carlota air-base where he was taken. They disbursed in the late afternoon as a tropical downpour broke out.

In a speech to a rival rally of his own supporters, Maduro said he had sent the Vice President of the Socialist Party, Congress Chief Diosdado Cabello, to help transport Lopez.

Lopez's Popular Will party said he had been taken to court where authorities would formally read him the charges, which include murder and terrorism. Lopez says he is being made a scapegoat by a dictatorial government.

LATEST FATALITY

Earlier, in the coastal town of Carupano in eastern Venezuela, residents said a 17-year-old student died after being struck by a car during an anti-government demonstration.

That added to three fatal shootings in Caracas last Wednesday.

Student-led protests across the nation of 29 million people have become the biggest challenge to Maduro since his election last year following socialist leader Hugo Chavez's death.

They demand Maduro's resignation over issues ranging from inflation and violent crime to corruption and product shortages.

"The country's situation is unsustainable," said filmmaker Jose Sahagun, 47. "The government's mask has fallen off. This man (Maduro) has held power for 10 months and the deterioration has been fast."

The protesters appear unlikely to have the influence of Arab Spring demonstrations that toppled governments across the Middle East, in part because Venezuelans unsuccessfully tried similar strategies against Chavez a decade ago.

There has been no evidence Venezuela's military might turn against Maduro, the 51-year-old successor to Chavez.

Thousands of oil workers and Maduro supporters, clad in the red of the ruling Socialist Party, held their own demonstration in Caracas on Tuesday, music blaring in a party atmosphere.

"Comrade President Nicolas Maduro can count on the working class," said oil union leader Wills Rangel.

The unrest has not affected the country's oil industry, which is struggling from underinvestment and operational problems that have left output stagnant for nearly a decade.

Chavez purged state oil company PDVSA of its dissident leadership in 2003 after a two-month industry shutdown meant to force him to resign, making it unlikely workers could attempt something similar against Maduro.

"CHAVEZ LIVES!"

In a nation split largely down the middle on political lines, 'Chavistas' have stayed loyal to Maduro despite unflattering comparisons with his famously charismatic predecessor. Many Venezuelans fear the loss of popular, oil-funded welfare programs should the socialist lose power.

"Chavez lives, the fight goes on!" Maduro backers chanted.

An opposition legislator and anti-government activists alleged that a government supporter had hit the dead student in Carupano, Jose Ernesto Mendez, but there was no independent confirmation or response from authorities to the allegation.

Residents said three other demonstrators were injured in the melee in Carupano, in Sucre state. One was gravely hurt.

A government statement said a man had been arrested for running over a 17-year-old and injuring three others.

Maduro's government accuses opponents backed by Washington of seeking to promote a coup against him, similar to a botched attempt against Chavez in 2002 when he was ousted for 36 hours.

The burly former bus driver and union activist this week expelled three U.S. diplomats accused of recruiting students for the protests. Washington said that was "baseless and false."

Venezuelan global bonds, which fluctuate sharply on political unrest, dropped as much as 3.2 percent on Tuesday. Yields on the benchmark bond maturing in 2027 rose to nearly 16 percent.

Yields are on average 15 percentage points higher than comparable U.S. Treasury bills, by far the highest borrowing cost of any emerging market nation.

Complaints about acts of violence by both sides have piled up over six consecutive days of confrontations between police and demonstrators. Only 13 students were reported still being held after nearly 100 arrests in the past week.

Opposition activists say some of those detained have been tortured. Maduro says police have been restrained in the face of provocation and attacks.

(Additional reporting by Caracas bureau reporters; Lesley Wroughton in Washington; Writing by Andrew Cawthorne and Brian Ellsworth; editing by Andrew Hay)
 
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Yeah, it's getting gnarly there. The most turmoil they've had in a long time. No one knows where this ids going or what the strategy of they opposition leaders or government is right now.

 
Wait? You mean the country that is pointed to by the American Left as the Great Socialist Utopia is failing? How can that be? The leading spokespeople for progressives - Sean Penn, Danny Glover and Harry Belefonte - all say it's the greatest country in the world.

I'm completely shocked.

 
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Minutes later, he surrendered to military officers, pumping his fist and then stepping into the military vehicle with a Venezuelan flag in one hand and a white flower in the other.
Funny how things work.

Chavez made his name as a general who was imprisoned after trying to lead a populist coup.

The ruling regime made a mistake when they released him a few years later, as he just resumed to his original plan to overthrow the government, which he did, not unlike that lil' guy in Germany all those years ago.

 
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.

 
Two countries with some of the hottest wimmens in the world, Ukraine and Venezuela, need my help.

To the batmobile!!!!

 
Wait? You mean the country that is pointed to by the American Left as the Great Socialist Utopia is failing? How can that be? The leading spokespeople for progressives - Sean Penn, Danny Glover and Harry Belefonte - all say it's the greatest country in the world.

I'm completely shocked.
:lmao:

 
Wait? You mean the country that is pointed to by the American Left as the Great Socialist Utopia is failing? How can that be? The leading spokespeople for progressives - Sean Penn, Danny Glover and Harry Belefonte - all say it's the greatest country in the world.

I'm completely shocked.
This is my favorite part.

 
Wait? You mean the country that is pointed to by the American Left as the Great Socialist Utopia is failing? How can that be? The leading spokespeople for progressives - Sean Penn, Danny Glover and Harry Belefonte - all say it's the greatest country in the world.

I'm completely shocked.
Seek therapy
 
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.

 
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.

 
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
I don't know about that. Latin America has learned the lesson; dictatorships of the right do not survive; dictatorships of the left have great staying power, particularly if they place their people in the military. All this was predictable a number of years ago, when Chavez started cozying up to Cuba.

 
jon_mx said:
SoBeDad said:
jon_mx said:
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.
Thankfully no one ever gets murdered here in the USA! ;) Sorry I couldn't resist this softball.

 
jon_mx said:
SoBeDad said:
jon_mx said:
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.
Thankfully no one ever gets murdered here in the USA! ;) Sorry I couldn't resist this softball.
I think the underlying point was the high murder rates and high level of corruption....sure we have our share, but not as bad as that yet...

 
jon_mx said:
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
South America could be the great tourist vacation spot if they had their #### together.

 
jon_mx said:
SoBeDad said:
jon_mx said:
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.
Thankfully no one ever gets murdered here in the USA! ;) Sorry I couldn't resist this softball.
I know of lots of people who spend lots of time in the US. None have been murdered. I know a few people who have gone to Brazil and spend a little time there. Two of them are dead and I knew them well.

 
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jon_mx said:
SoBeDad said:
jon_mx said:
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.
Thankfully no one ever gets murdered here in the USA! ;) Sorry I couldn't resist this softball.
It's very different, and not necessarily restricted to certain bad neighborhoods like it is in the US. Also, South America is notorious for kidnapping for ransom, and foreign nationals/expats are often targeted as they're typically viewed as being wealthy or work for companies which will cough up ransom money for them.

 
Things are escalating quickly down there. The economy is in a death spiral because it's run by idiots, and the middle class is seeing this and wants to end the farce. I'll be headed to a protest in Philly on Saturday.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
You can't just go and start killing off your #2 export.
I guess it's kind of funny. It just doesn't make much sense to me, and generally makes me sad thinking about what humans are willing to do to each other in the pursuit of their own beliefs.

same info here, i guess. I can't get the link from nydailynews to open.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/20/280019048/in-venezuela-another-beauty-queens-death-adds-to-anger?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook

 
Another from the same paper,an update on the latest.

Media, paramilitaries, abuses, and some bloodJuan Cristobal Nagel / 21 hours ago

As the protests gripping Venezuela enter their 19th day (get the basics here), it’s time to take stock of what’s happened. What are the stories? What are the non-stories? What matters?

The stories

  • The Media Blackout - From yanking a Colombian cable news channel off the air to taking an entire city offline, the government has made controlling the flow of information about the crisis a priority. This comes on the heels of the looming threat to newspapers all over the country, which we have documented extensively. President Maduro has already announced they will pull the plug on CNN En Español, an important source of independent information. Now their journos’ official credentials have been revoked. All told, the past two weeks have been dreadful for the right of Venezuelans to be informed. The result? Tons of rumors, tons of disinformation, tons of uncertainty.
  • Paramilitaries: Let’s call a spade a spade: colectivos are paramilitaries. It’s silly that chavistas are somehow trying to minimize the role of these government-sponsored groups that now roam freely in the streets of Venezuela, heavily armed, accountable to God-only-knows whom. They have been repeatedly lionized by the government. They are christened by Ministers as the main line of defense of the Revolution. They talk to the foreign press and gleefully display their weapons and their fire power. Chavista governors give them orders via Twitter. And numerous eyewitnesses tell stories of violence. True – they don’t always shoot live ammo. Sometimes their role is simply to intimidate. Regardless, they are real, and they are not going anywhere.
  • Human Rights Abuses - From the jailing of Leopoldo López to the alleged torture of student demonstrators, it seems clear that Venezuela crossed a rubicon in the past few days. This has been a PR disaster for the government, with everyone from Amnesty International to Human Rights Watch to (gulp) Madonna weighing in. I don’t know if they care or not, but Maduro’s cast in international public opinion seems set for now. He is an abusive, mustachoed thug. Any lingering claim to the moral high-ground or to hemispheric leadership that the revolution may once have held on to died this month.
The non-stories

  • Bloodshed – In spite of the deaths of six protestors, so far this is not yet a terribly bloody ordeal. To be clear, any death is one death too many. But we should have some perspective: this is not Tiananmen. It is not even Ukraine. Of course, this could change at any time, but we must be precise – Venezuelans are, so far, not being massacred indiscriminately by government forces. Let’s be thankful for that.
  • The non-coup – The government has tried mightily to frame this as a “coup.” It’s a tough sell given that protesters are severely outgunned, and so far no member of the military has publicly condemned the government. Maduro retains a tight grip on the military, and ultimately, they are the ones who stage coups. The coup chatter is hot air: maybe it speaks to the chavista hardcore base, but everyone else discounts it.
  • Everybody’s a Fascist - Of every three words spilling out of chavista talking heads, at least one of them is “fascist.” Everyone in the opposition is, apparently, a fascist. This is a turn-off for the media, who don’t really know what to do with the term. Is the opposition following Mussolini? How do you square the term with the fact that the opposition includes left-of-center and right-of-center people? Are housewives banging pots and pans also … fascist? As a marketing tool, “fascist” is going the way of “New Coke” – nowhere.
http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/21/censorship-paramilitaries-abuses-and-some-blood/

 
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Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.
Thankfully no one ever gets murdered here in the USA! ;) Sorry I couldn't resist this softball.
I know of lots of people who spend lots of time in the US. None have been murdered. I know a few people who have gone to Brazil and spend a little time there. Two of them are dead and I knew them well.
Lived in Brazil for ten years. Still alive

 
Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.
Thankfully no one ever gets murdered here in the USA! ;) Sorry I couldn't resist this softball.
I know of lots of people who spend lots of time in the US. None have been murdered. I know a few people who have gone to Brazil and spend a little time there. Two of them are dead and I knew them well.
Lived in Brazil for ten years. Still alive
Yeah, that is what the people in the Sixth Sense thought.

 
Newest update,click on the link to get pictures and a short video.

Gocho Uprising Update
Francisco Toro / 12 hours ago
San Cristóbal, where the protest movement started, remains an extreme outlier in the current crisis, with many residential neighborhoods essentially out of the control of the government. Luis Miguel Colmenares, a Gocho friend of the blog, sent us this status update – which was sourced through conversations with four people in the city. We’ve translated it here:

  • Protest hotspots have spread throughout the city. Some roadblocks and barricades are manned around the clock, such as the one in Barrio Central (which is a shantytown, not downtown), while others come and go, such as Quinimari, Barrio Obrero, Carabobo Avenue, and dozens of others throughout Táchira State.
  • People wounded in the clashes have been arrested in hospital and turned over to prosecutors, and so many of the wounded are now refusing to go to hospital for treatment. Neighbors are trying to care for them in their home, with doctors getting around by motorbike when needed to treat minor wounds.
  • From 10 a.m. today (Friday), the whole area around the Airport was taken over by the military, including areas surrounding the Universidad Experimental del Tachira (UNET), the area around Pueblo Nuevo Fútbol Stadium, the bullring and its surrounding area. It’s not clear why, we suppose some VIP will fly in to the airport soon.
  • On Thursday, at 6:20 p.m., there was a minor onslaught with a few tear gas canisters and some rubber buckshot in the Pirineos area of Quinimari Neighborhood. Later, after 8:00 p.m. we saw a much harsher attack which left several people wounded. Right after it finished, the power went off in the entire area, which left neighbors really worried.
  • Running battles were common on the streets throughout the last week. We’ve heard more and more reports of state security agents forcing their way into protesters’ homes. Yesterday, on Avenida Carabobo, one older lady neighbor decided to allow student protesters to use her bathroom. Later on in the day, the National Guard broke into her house to beat her up.
  • There are no fatalities. Zero. In Táchira beating each other up is normal, it’s accepted. But there’s a code here.
  • This morning the city was calm, with few protesters on the street. Public transport is not operating. Businesses open briefly in the morning, or sometimes not at all, to avoid risks. There are few taxis on the street, most people avoid going out.
  • Broadband internet is working again, though it’s very slow, and it goes down in problem areas at sensitive times. The internet blackout isn’t a blanket thing: it’s not all over the city, or at all times.
  • The local media is completely under the government’s control now, they’re publishing none of what’s going on.
  • In the downtown area, there are cops on every corner. There are different security forces, with different uniforms, some National Police, some militia, other uniforms that we can’t easily identify. 90% of the shops are shut. Notaries are working, as well as a handful of bakery shops and very few restaurants.
  • A big march is called for 2 p.m. on Saturday at the City of San Cristobal Obelisk. We expect a peaceful rally to reject the military takeover of the city and the abusive repression of the students, as well as freedom for jailed protesters, and calling for peace in Venezuela.
All of the information in this report has been sourced by people on site in Táchira State. Civili Society organizations, student groups, and people in general.

I can vouch to the fact that the people of Táchira State is a gentle people, committed to kindness, solidarity, cordiality: these are the values of Táchira’s families. But when you offend us and make a show of denying our rights, we face down abuses of power because we reject violence in all its forms and we demand respect for our state, and for all of Venezuela.

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/21/san-cristobal-status-update/
 
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Most of South American sucks. I mean there are some hot women and beautiful places, but the governments and police are corrupt and mobs and gangs rule.
Things have improved a lot in Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia and Brazil.These countries have sound economic policies, but Venezuela and Argentina do not, which is why so many people have tried to get money out of those countries. Venezuela is in danger of hyperinflation - Maduros policies are not helping. He won't last much longer.
Mexico is still a mess. Maybe better, but it still sucks. Brazil's crime is getting worse. The police suck. I know of people who have gone there and have been murdered. I have contacted private investigators there, and they want anywhere from $2K to $10K just to tell me what the police know.
Thankfully no one ever gets murdered here in the USA! ;) Sorry I couldn't resist this softball.
I know of lots of people who spend lots of time in the US. None have been murdered. I know a few people who have gone to Brazil and spend a little time there. Two of them are dead and I knew them well.
Lived in Brazil for ten years. Still alive
Yeah, that is what the people in the Sixth Sense thought.
You are showing the depth of your knowledge.

 
This has been completely predictable, as the quasi Communists tighten their hold on the country. Thousands of Cuban "advisers" are in the country, as Cuba cannot afford to have their cheap source of oil taken away. It's not going to end well, as there will be more blood shed before the complete Communist takeover by the government. The only thing that offers some hope is that they are total incompetents, when Communists are not usually so.

 
This has been completely predictable, as the quasi Communists tighten their hold on the country. Thousands of Cuban "advisers" are in the country, as Cuba cannot afford to have their cheap source of oil taken away. It's not going to end well, as there will be more blood shed before the complete Communist takeover by the government. The only thing that offers some hope is that they are total incompetents, when Communists are not usually so.
That certainly seems to be the direction this is headed.

 
I urge you to read this and then in the comments below it.

http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/22/visualize-may/

It's basically the blog writer begging for the people to stop being violent and then he gets blasted down in the comments section by almost everyone who responds and he tries to defend his position.

This will not end well.

 
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