Mathew Stafford..... (1 Viewer)

[The Karate Kid]

Do you think he is #1QB material next year? I have Brees but I am very weak at RB. I have the #1 pick in a dynasty draft this year. That being said, do you trade Brees and McFadden for MJD and roll with Stafford or is Detroit still Detroit and stay far away? What I have seen from MS is that he is Favre like meaning the toughness and the gun slinger mentality. He seemed to put points up at home but really struggled on the road. If they draft a few O-linemen and add another WR that can actually catch the ball I love this kids potential.

Thoughts and comments are welcomed...............thanks

 

[Leroy Hoard]

He shows flashes but the OL is shaky and he only has one real target who is always double teamed. On the positive side the defense sucks so he should be throwing at the end of games (if he is not killed first).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

um Matt Staffford is not close to being a FFL or NFL QB1.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Two big variables on whether or not Stafford will be usable as a FF QB1 next year are how the Lions address the OLine and (almost more importantly) how they address their WR2. With no threat on the other side of the field, Calvin's been getting triple-teamed and that obviously is going to hurt Stafford's numbers. Another factor would be Pettigrew and whether or not he'll return healthy enough to contribute. Last I read there's a good chance that he starts the season on the PUP.

The Lions definitely need a few more weapons on that offense before I'd be comfortable even thinking about considering Stafford a startable QB1. I'd say Stafford MIGHT be a FF QB1 by 2011, but unless some impressive moves are made by the Lions this offseason I don't see him being anything more than a huge gamble this year.

ETA: Heck, I didn't even mention the run game and Kevin Smith's status... Lots of checkmarks in the 'cons' column here.

 

[footballsavvy]

I think it would be a pretty big risk having to rely on him in 2010. I'd want to see a little more from Detroit before I made a move like that. Of course it all really depends on how much you are strengthening your team in other areas by trading away Brees... if your upgrade from having to start McFadden to MJD than it could be worth considering. Have you looked at the total difference in projected fantasy pointes between McFadden/MJd and Brees/Stafford?

Keep in mind that no matter how good Stafford does, hes likely not going to be able to finish any higher than 10. This is strictly from a sheer competition standpoint. There are at least 9 Qb's that I can't see any scenario in which stafford puts up better stats. The Lions need too many things to fall into place to have the type of offense that scores enough points to produce a top teir QB.

With Pettigrew and Kevin Smith suffering significant injuries they seemed to have taken a small step backwards and you have to wonder how long they can sustain the strategy of drafting skill players in the high rounds of the draft. At some point they have to solidfy things in the trenches and start trying to win some games. If they spend a high draft pick on a receiver, then they once again put off their defense and o-line needs. It seems like best case is that htey take a receiver in the late rounds and/or trade for some grizzly veteran similar to a laveraneous coles (you know, someone setup to likely bust).

I think the best bet to pull some coverage off of CJ is for Pettigrew to recover fully and pick up where he left off. He is physical enough that he can cause defenses to acknowlege his presence in the passing game. I mean, how good do you really have to be to have success as a TE or 2nd or 3rd receiver when the #1 receiver is pulling triple coverage?

All of that being said, I like Stafford as a prospect and it would not surprise me to see him finish somewhere right around QB10 in a position to start trying to crack the top 6 in the following years. But like I said, its pretty damm tough to be one of the top 6 quarterbacks in the NFL.

 

[sho nuff]

um Matt Staffford is not close to being a FFL or NFL QB1.

I don't think he means the #1 overall QB....but a starting FF QB on his team.

 

[blend]

oddly enough, I'm contemplating a very similar scenario. A couple of things are causing me not to pull the trigger on such a deal.... In the league I'm in - Keep 6, Stafford is going back into the player pool and I think I'd be able to get him with a first or second rounder. Plus the question mark on the opposite side of Calvin. As someone mentioned above, if Pettigrew had continued to develop, perhaps that would alleviate some of the pressure off CJ, but as of now it is a big question mark.

I fully expect Stafford to be a solid QB2 next season and then the following season he'll move into QB1 territory. Depending on how next season goes, I will be looking to deal Brees for upgrades in other spots.

 

[Steel Dillo]

Do you think he is #1QB material next year? I have Brees but I am very weak at RB. I have the #1 pick in a dynasty draft this year. That being said, do you trade Brees and McFadden for MJD and roll with Stafford or is Detroit still Detroit and stay far away? What I have seen from MS is that he is Favre like meaning the toughness and the gun slinger mentality. He seemed to put points up at home but really struggled on the road. If they draft a few O-linemen and add another WR that can actually catch the ball I love this kids potential.Thoughts and comments are welcomed...............thanks

Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum

 

[Da Guru]

Do you have minus points for INTs and fumbles? If not Stafford will put up some good games sta wise.

Stafford would have broke the NFL record for INTs had he stayed healthy.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

Stafford will be a very good QB long term, but I'm very leery of the sophomore jinx with QB's who showed flashes their first year, and particularly when that rookie year was also their first year starting. Often those guys are on shaky teams anyway, so the entire roster is going through growing pains.

It's a tough game at this level and teams adjust and now have a season to study you. This is what happened with Matt Ryan. I recall it happened with Bledsoe too. Those are just two examples.

Stafford's an excellent backup to have next year, but I wouldn't want to have to start him.

 

[Zoomanji]

I liked the little bit I saw from him. The teams needs to develop around him (especially O line) or he will flame out.

For now though he could put up some pretty good games playing from behind with little running game. Unless his line gets him killed.

 

[gsmayes]

First two rules of fantasy football:

1. Never rely on a Lions QB to not suck.

2. Never draft a Lion in the first round.

 

[Spike]

First two rules of fantasy football:1. Never rely on a Lions QB to not suck.2. Never draft a Lion in the first round.3. Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

 

[loose circuits]

I'd certainly want a veteran QB2 if I was going to rely on Stafford. I have Palmer & Garrard as serviceable guys behind him in the league I own him, but am waiting for the days I'll have a strong QB1. Might be next year, but I think 2011 is more realistic.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I fully expect Stafford to be a solid QB2 next season and then the following season he'll move into QB1 territory.

This is pretty much my thoughts right now. Of course, things could change depending on free agents and the draft, but for now, Stafford needs another year of improvement in my opinion before he can be counted on as anything more than a fantasy backup QB. It's just too risky to count on him as a starter for the upcoming season.

 

[LHUCKS]

Stafford IMHO, will be a solid #2 FF QB with the potential of becoming a #1 in future years.

He surprised me last year.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Do you think he is #1QB material next year? I have Brees but I am very weak at RB. I have the #1 pick in a dynasty draft this year. That being said, do you trade Brees and McFadden for MJD and roll with Stafford or is Detroit still Detroit and stay far away? What I have seen from MS is that he is Favre like meaning the toughness and the gun slinger mentality. He seemed to put points up at home but really struggled on the road. If they draft a few O-linemen and add another WR that can actually catch the ball I love this kids potential.Thoughts and comments are welcomed...............thanks

Threads that are asking for advice on how you should draft or manage your team belong in The Assistant Coach forum

To the original poster, just an FYI: The above holds true. Basically, the part of your post about your specific team and non-Stafford players (aka Brees, MJD, etc.) is an assistant coaches question and should not be in the shark pool, even within a thread/post about a general discussion. Things like the discussion about Stafford are exactly what we want here.

 

[39407]

Or you Lions fans could take it a step further, and get a 2010 team thread going?

 

[Jous]

He'll fail. He's a Lions QB. Never rely on one unless he's already proven himself.

 

[The Captain]

Or you Lions fans could take it a step further, and get a 2010 team thread going?

This

 

[Mikey16x]

I like Stafford. After listening to him "mic'd up" during the game when he injured his shoulder.. he wants it. He's a football player through and through and seems like he has no problem putting in the effort. If they can get a legit #2 option on the team and sure up the O-line, he should be more then capable of being a FF starter, not a guy that's going to carry your team but a guy that's going to have a decent game here and there and be consistent (think Kyle Orton). I'm not talking long-term.. I think he'll eventually become a #1 long-term but I'm just saying for next season.

 

[RazorbackPete]

What I have seen from MS is that he is Favre like meaning the toughness and the gun slinger mentality. He seemed to put points up at home but really struggled on the road. If they draft a few O-linemen and add another WR that can actually catch the ball I love this kids potential.

Media pundits may say Stafford is a lot like Favre, but Stafford's 53.3% completion % is a long ways from Favre's first year as a starter completion % of 64%. Not to mention the big gap in TD/INTs between the two. Stafford's college completion was well below 60%... He might turn things around, but I would not want to bet on it. I do not think he really compares to Favre... "toughness" and "gun slinger mentality" are less definable quarterback characteristics than they are things that sound good when broadcasting a game.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Stafford does need to work on his accuracy. He can at times make throws that only a few QBs in this league can, at other times he will struggle on a short crossing route. If a miracle happens in DET (a.k.a solidify oline, add consistent pass catchers, and improve running game) then he definitely has a shot to be a top 10 FF QB. Otherwise if the same old story continues he will be too erratic, inconsistent, and unable to develop into a good QB.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

What I have seen from MS is that he is Favre like meaning the toughness and the gun slinger mentality. He seemed to put points up at home but really struggled on the road. If they draft a few O-linemen and add another WR that can actually catch the ball I love this kids potential.

Media pundits may say Stafford is a lot like Favre, but Stafford's 53.3% completion % is a long ways from Favre's first year as a starter completion % of 64%. Not to mention the big gap in TD/INTs between the two. Stafford's college completion was well below 60%... He might turn things around, but I would not want to bet on it. I do not think he really compares to Favre... "toughness" and "gun slinger mentality" are less definable quarterback characteristics than they are things that sound good when broadcasting a game.

Good points here, the top three completion % QBs this year were Brees-Peyton-Favre. Other than Sanchez the bottom group were all losing QBs.

 

[squistion]

What I have seen from MS is that he is Favre like meaning the toughness and the gun slinger mentality. He seemed to put points up at home but really struggled on the road. If they draft a few O-linemen and add another WR that can actually catch the ball I love this kids potential.

Media pundits may say Stafford is a lot like Favre, but Stafford's 53.3% completion % is a long ways from Favre's first year as a starter completion % of 64%. Not to mention the big gap in TD/INTs between the two. Stafford's college completion was well below 60%... He might turn things around, but I would not want to bet on it. I do not think he really compares to Favre... "toughness" and "gun slinger mentality" are less definable quarterback characteristics than they are things that sound good when broadcasting a game.

I don't believe Favre was a starter as a rookie - if that is correct than, then this is not a fair comparison.

 

[The Karate Kid]

Lets not forget he is only 21 years old, should be a senior in college. Not no mention he played with a bad knee and behind a terrible line. Factor in the team was always down and the defenses knew they were passing so they could tee off on the kid. Plus the WRs dropped plenty of passes to reduce his percentage.

 

[RazorbackPete]

What I have seen from MS is that he is Favre like meaning the toughness and the gun slinger mentality. He seemed to put points up at home but really struggled on the road. If they draft a few O-linemen and add another WR that can actually catch the ball I love this kids potential.

Media pundits may say Stafford is a lot like Favre, but Stafford's 53.3% completion % is a long ways from Favre's first year as a starter completion % of 64%. Not to mention the big gap in TD/INTs between the two. Stafford's college completion was well below 60%... He might turn things around, but I would not want to bet on it. I do not think he really compares to Favre... "toughness" and "gun slinger mentality" are less definable quarterback characteristics than they are things that sound good when broadcasting a game.

I don't believe Favre was a starter as a rookie - if that is correct than, then this is not a fair comparison.

Which is why I used the phrase "first-year as a starter." My point was more that Stafford has a long, long way before he is actually comparable to Favre. Just because he played a game with an injury doesn't make him a great QB... But a 53.3% completion percentage is something that could make him a bad QB.If I owned Stafford in a league, I would try and sell him to the guy who thinks he is the next Favre.