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Close to 500 total yards against a stingy Jets defense. Mastery of the two minute drill. A deficiency of QBs in the league.

 
Somewheres in that 7-10 range. I had him #11 this week. I still think he's below the old studs (Romo, Brees, Peyton), the new studs (Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers), Warner and probably McNabb.

Every week the NE offense was looking more and more like 2007 in terms of timing, spreading the ball around, keeping the D off balance. Yesterday was the culmination, particularly because you can't run on the Jets, and the Pats found themselves behind for just about the entire game.

 
This one is a bit tricky. NE gets Brady back next year and that leaves no starting job for Cassel in NE. I thought I read somewhere that Cassel is a free agent next year? He probably lands somewhere next season where he gets a chance to start but we don't know what tem that might be or how good they might be. We know he has a lot of good weapons and is currently on what has been a very successful team. He is coming off a great statistical game yet he has been very average in several games and he has missed a lot of throws too.

If I were to try to tag a dynasty value on him today I would roughly guess around QB#20 due to all the unknowns. I myself don't feel highly confident he will be successful if given the opportunity with another team.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Somewheres in that 7-10 range. I had him #11 this week. I still think he's below the old studs (Romo, Brees, Peyton), the new studs (Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers), Warner and probably McNabb.Every week the NE offense was looking more and more like 2007 in terms of timing, spreading the ball around, keeping the D off balance. Yesterday was the culmination, particularly because you can't run on the Jets, and the Pats found themselves behind for just about the entire game.
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Sig, are you talking for this year or from a dynasty perspective? I believe this topic had the dynasty symbol on it? That seems awefully high to me from a dynasty perspective.
 
Warhogs said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Somewheres in that 7-10 range. I had him #11 this week. I still think he's below the old studs (Romo, Brees, Peyton), the new studs (Cutler, Rodgers, Rivers), Warner and probably McNabb.

Every week the NE offense was looking more and more like 2007 in terms of timing, spreading the ball around, keeping the D off balance. Yesterday was the culmination, particularly because you can't run on the Jets, and the Pats found themselves behind for just about the entire game.
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Sig, are you talking for this year or from a dynasty perspective? I believe this topic had the dynasty symbol on it? That seems awefully high to me from a dynasty perspective.
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Sorry I was just talking this year - dynasty is much tougher - I had him #30 going into this week, but obviously this greatly increases his value. #20 sounds about right, my #20 QB was Hasselbeck and #21 was Quinn. Cassel is a free agent next year, and I would think he could get a starting job, although Mike Lombardi (who I generally trust) thinks the Pats might franchise him:Link

After last night, I am convinced the Patriots will have to Franchise Matt Cassel this off season for two reasons. (1) He is a legitimate asset. He continues to improve each week and he continues to be one of the best players on the field no matter who he plays. Does he need to keep improving? Yes, but he is so well coached and his taking to coaching each week. Why would the Patriots just let him walk and not get something in return for his services? (2) No one knows what the medical status of Tom Brady will be after he starts to play. Does the knee prevent him from being his old self? Can Brady be 100 percent next September? What happens if he has more setbacks? And with Cassel, the Patriots have an insurance policy; yes, a very expensive one, but clearly a very effective one. He proved last night that he can make all the throws and that he can lead the team. That throw to Moss was sensational, and he won over the locker room. Now look for the new Patriots to become the Patriots of old on offense.
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So, his arrival could be delayed - A ranking around #20 seems to reflect his future upside and the possible wait to realize it, not to mention the risk that he doesn't click on his new team.Now, let's just say hypothetically that Tom Brady retired tomorrow because his knee fell apart and the Pats signed Cassel long term - then Cassel would rise to the 12-16 range.

 
he is a free agent next year and I think there is virtually zero chance that he is back in New England. He seems to be gaining confidence with each week's performance, and with that comes the expectation of playing time.

That leads to the next question of where he lands. Here are some teams that could be looking for a potential starting QB next year-

Minnesota- will Jackson get another shot?

Detroit- surely they are not serious about CPepp

Carolina- how much does Jake have left?

Tampa- Gruden can not be looking forward to another year of QB go round

San Francisco- ughhh

Kansas City- Thigpen's play may eliminate them from this list

And some longshots...

Jacksonville

Oakland

Tennessee

NY Jets

St. Louis

Seattle

 
I know he has had some of the #s to prove it lately, but the guy can't throw the deep ball at all.

I don't think much of him as an NFL QB despite some decent #s, I think hes pretty much Fitzpatrick and THigpen quality

 
Do you really think they would Franchise Cassel and pay that high of a salary for a backup? He'd be making the average of the top 5 QB's for 1 yr! I honestly don't think Cassel would mind that though.

 
Yeah, the kid isn't that good. Some of you folks out there need to start eating some crow. For a career back up dating back to college this guy has been amazing. May have taken a few games to get his poise but he's playing as well as anyone right now. Let's come clean, folks.

 
If the kid can produce next week, I'm fully believing that he's something special.

Bought him in early on this season for next to nothing but have followed his progress closely; he's adding more $$ to his next paycheck by the week. If he lands in the right place, there's no reason to think he can't be top 15 next year.

 
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Like most, I picked up Cassel simply for depth, but I think this guy could be leading my team in the playoffs. I may be benching Romo for him.

 
Finless said:
Yeah, the kid isn't that good. Some of you folks out there need to start eating some crow. For a career back up dating back to college this guy has been amazing. May have taken a few games to get his poise but he's playing as well as anyone right now. Let's come clean, folks.
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I said this a few weeks ago after his first 3 TD game, go back and check out Tom Brady's 2001 record and it's remarkably similar to Cassel. Obviously it has taken Cassel longer to get going but he's right on pace with Brady first year starting.
 
cstu said:
Finless said:
Yeah, the kid isn't that good. Some of you folks out there need to start eating some crow. For a career back up dating back to college this guy has been amazing. May have taken a few games to get his poise but he's playing as well as anyone right now. Let's come clean, folks.
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I said this a few weeks ago after his first 3 TD game, go back and check out Tom Brady's 2001 record and it's remarkably similar to Cassel. Obviously it has taken Cassel longer to get going but he's right on pace with Brady first year starting.
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He's gotten going, and he has weapons that Brady-2001 could only dream about. Cassel looks much better the past 2 weeks, improving on his pocket presence and his decision making. He ( or McDaniels ) has opened up the playbook to include passes that travel more than 10 yards in the air. Pressuring opposing defenses deep with Moss will only open more space. The kid looks pretty good at this point. It'll be interesting to see where he lands next year.
 
Road Warriors said:
cstu said:
Finless said:
Yeah, the kid isn't that good. Some of you folks out there need to start eating some crow. For a career back up dating back to college this guy has been amazing. May have taken a few games to get his poise but he's playing as well as anyone right now. Let's come clean, folks.
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I said this a few weeks ago after his first 3 TD game, go back and check out Tom Brady's 2001 record and it's remarkably similar to Cassel. Obviously it has taken Cassel longer to get going but he's right on pace with Brady first year starting.
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He's gotten going, and he has weapons that Brady-2001 could only dream about. Cassel looks much better the past 2 weeks, improving on his pocket presence and his decision making. He ( or McDaniels ) has opened up the playbook to include passes that travel more than 10 yards in the air. Pressuring opposing defenses deep with Moss will only open more space. The kid looks pretty good at this point. It'll be interesting to see where he lands next year.
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Don't understate this. If he lands in Detroit or Oakland then he could be in trouble.
 
JPeso said:
Road Warriors said:
cstu said:
Finless said:
Yeah, the kid isn't that good. Some of you folks out there need to start eating some crow. For a career back up dating back to college this guy has been amazing. May have taken a few games to get his poise but he's playing as well as anyone right now. Let's come clean, folks.
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I said this a few weeks ago after his first 3 TD game, go back and check out Tom Brady's 2001 record and it's remarkably similar to Cassel. Obviously it has taken Cassel longer to get going but he's right on pace with Brady first year starting.
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He's gotten going, and he has weapons that Brady-2001 could only dream about. Cassel looks much better the past 2 weeks, improving on his pocket presence and his decision making. He ( or McDaniels ) has opened up the playbook to include passes that travel more than 10 yards in the air. Pressuring opposing defenses deep with Moss will only open more space. The kid looks pretty good at this point. It'll be interesting to see where he lands next year.
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Don't understate this. If he lands in Detroit or Oakland then he could be in trouble.
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Yea, that Calvin Johnson guy is no good. While Oakland is a wasteland, Detroit would be an interesting situation. I would guess he could easily be a top 12 guy-
 
helix said:
JPeso said:
Road Warriors said:
cstu said:
Finless said:
Yeah, the kid isn't that good. Some of you folks out there need to start eating some crow. For a career back up dating back to college this guy has been amazing. May have taken a few games to get his poise but he's playing as well as anyone right now. Let's come clean, folks.
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I said this a few weeks ago after his first 3 TD game, go back and check out Tom Brady's 2001 record and it's remarkably similar to Cassel. Obviously it has taken Cassel longer to get going but he's right on pace with Brady first year starting.
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He's gotten going, and he has weapons that Brady-2001 could only dream about. Cassel looks much better the past 2 weeks, improving on his pocket presence and his decision making. He ( or McDaniels ) has opened up the playbook to include passes that travel more than 10 yards in the air. Pressuring opposing defenses deep with Moss will only open more space. The kid looks pretty good at this point. It'll be interesting to see where he lands next year.
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Don't understate this. If he lands in Detroit or Oakland then he could be in trouble.
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Yea, that Calvin Johnson guy is no good. While Oakland is a wasteland, Detroit would be an interesting situation. I would guess he could easily be a top 12 guy.
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Calvin is not the problem in Detroit.
 
sartre said:
bumpLike most, I picked up Cassel simply for depth, but I think this guy could be leading my team in the playoffs. I may be benching Romo for him.
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No kidding, I regret starting Rodgers over Cassel the last 2 weeks, but I feel like I'd be chasing if I switch them now. "Best ball" format must be so nice, yet so boring.
 
If Cassel can keep this up the Patriots might be trouble if they sneak into the playoffs. They got some help with the Steelers knocking off the Ravens. If the Ravens lose at the Cowboys next week, the Patriots can get the wild card by winning out.

Right now I have the Patriots doing just that and getting the #6 seed. I got them playing at the Jets in the first round. If they win that, they'd go to the Steelers.

 
Through essentially the same amount of time played, Brady had:

2800/18/12 his first season

Cassel has

3270/18/11

Looks pretty even.

(Brady missed 2 and 1/4 games. Cassel missed the first 1/4 of the first game, so their total playing time about now is pretty close.)

 
David Yudkin said:
Through essentially the same amount of time played, Brady had:2800/18/12 his first seasonCassel has3270/18/11Looks pretty even.(Brady missed 2 and 1/4 games. Cassel missed the first 1/4 of the first game, so their total playing time about now is pretty close.)
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Curious how many "big games" Brady had in a comparable period. So far, Cassel has lost to the Chargers, Colts, Steelers, and Jets in the "meaningful" games.
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
David Yudkin said:
Through essentially the same amount of time played, Brady had:2800/18/12 his first seasonCassel has3270/18/11Looks pretty even.(Brady missed 2 and 1/4 games. Cassel missed the first 1/4 of the first game, so their total playing time about now is pretty close.)
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Curious how many "big games" Brady had in a comparable period. So far, Cassel has lost to the Chargers, Colts, Steelers, and Jets in the "meaningful" games.
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Here's what Brady did when he took over for Bledsoe:W NWE 44 IND 13 (6-10 record) 13-23 168 0 0 L NWE 10 @ MIA 30 (11-5) 12-24 86 0 0W NWE 29 SDG 26 (5-11) 33-54 364 2 0 W NWE 38 @ IND 17 (6-10) 16-20 202 3 0 L NWE 20 @ DEN 31 (8-8) 25-38 203 2 4 W NWE 24 @ ATL 10 (7-9) 21-31 250 3 0 W NWE 21 BUF 11 (3-13) 15-21 107 1 1 L NWE 17 STL 24 (14-2) 19-27 185 1 2 W NWE 34 NOR 17 (7-9) 19-26 258 4 0 W NWE 17 @ NYJ (10-6) 16 20-28 213 0 0 W NWE 27 CLE 16 (7-9) 19-28 218 0 2 W NWE 12 @ BUF 9 (3-13) 19-35 237 0 1 W NWE 20 MIA 13 (11-5) 11-19 108 1 0 W NWE 38 @ CAR 6 (1-15) 17-29 198 1 2 The Pats only beat MIA and NYJ for teams with winning records (in the regular season).
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
David Yudkin said:
Through essentially the same amount of time played, Brady had:2800/18/12 his first seasonCassel has3270/18/11Looks pretty even.(Brady missed 2 and 1/4 games. Cassel missed the first 1/4 of the first game, so their total playing time about now is pretty close.)
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Curious how many "big games" Brady had in a comparable period. So far, Cassel has lost to the Chargers, Colts, Steelers, and Jets in the "meaningful" games.
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The Patriots have some very memorable games where they lost the first meeting with a top club and then beat them the second time around. The 01 team lost to the Rams at home, and then beat them in the super bowl. The 04 team went 14-2 and one of those losses was at Pittsburgh, and then they won the afc at Pittsburgh later that year. The Patriots are 27-4 in December since 2001, demonstrating how they tend to get better as the year goes on.
 
I would caution people when comparing Brady to Cassel by looking at the stats they accumulated when they first became starters. When Brady stepped in for Bledsoe this team was not the scoring machine that New England was last year. I'm not trying to knock Cassel but just pointing out that the stats may be similar but the entire offense was much different (No Moss, No Welker, etc). I just say be cautious when looking at the passing numbers as they occured several years apart from each other.

 
Warhogs said:
I would caution people when comparing Brady to Cassel by looking at the stats they accumulated when they first became starters. When Brady stepped in for Bledsoe this team was not the scoring machine that New England was last year. I'm not trying to knock Cassel but just pointing out that the stats may be similar but the entire offense was much different (No Moss, No Welker, etc). I just say be cautious when looking at the passing numbers as they occured several years apart from each other.
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Precisely. Brady had Troy Brown as his #1 receiver. Cassel has Randy Moss as his #1 receiver. And Wes Welker as his #2 receiver.
 
I really like what I see in this kid. I don't like the patriots, but I like cheering for the career backup doing well.

 
Finless said:
Maybe Tom Brady isn't that great after all :goodposting: Wonder what he'd fetch on the open market?
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I know this isn't a serious question, but hypothetically, if I was the GM for the Lions/Chiefs/Raiders I would give the Patriots whatever number and combination of future draft picks they wanted for Brady. Even if his knee injury limits his mobility when he comes back (I think it won't and he'll be fine) he still has the arm and game smarts that make him a Hall of Fame QB and a good QB can go a long way to papering over the cracks on an offense.As for Cassel, if the Pats franchise him I think a team takes a chance on him and pays the compensation. However I don't see New England tagging him, I think they make him a decent offer but he walks for more money and a guaranteed starting job.
 
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