Matt Jones WR JAC - Targeted 20 times (1 Viewer)

[parkr10]

Keep your eye on JAG's WR Matt Jones. He has been targeted 20 times already this season...clearly Garrard's go to man. Now if he can just hang on to the ball.

 

[-baller]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

 

[harryhood]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

the same time his trade value equals BM. point is, this guy is still on most peoples WW, you cant acquire Bmarshall in ppr leagues for anything less than a top 12 RB. huge difference.

 

[parkr10]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

I didn't say he was a BM, but he still might be good use if still out there in leagues. Just worth potentially looking at.

 

[packersfan]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

the same time his trade value equals BM. point is, this guy is still on most peoples WW, you cant acquire Bmarshall in ppr leagues for anything less than a top 12 RB. huge difference.

I would expect to see Jones' value drop once Porter returns - which should be this week.

 

[Tommy Collins]

I'm surprised to see him getting the targets. He was targeted a good bit in the Buffalo game. However he doesn't seem to have great hands by any means.

 

[Cookiemonster]

He was getting some big target #s in preseason too. That's why I took him after week 1. Once I saw he was still getting the love, I figured he's worth a shot. If we're talking redraft, I'm not too sure I'd be confident in starting him all year, but if he keeps it up, he may end up replacing Harrison on my dynasty squad.

 

[sdsjr3]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Brilliant post, thanks for the insight.

 

[gman8343]

Effect on Jones when Porter returns?

 

[[scooter]]

20 targets, 11 catches.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

20 targets, 11 catches.

So, Chris Chambers territory? Things are looking up for Capt. White Horse, apparently.

 

[-baller]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Brilliant post, thanks for the insight.

how about this?http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070625-000002.html

Though they may not be aware of it, sarcasm is their means of indirectly expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves. Wrapping their thoughts in a joke shields them from the vulnerability that comes with directly putting one's opinions out there

 

[Frank Black]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Brilliant post, thanks for the insight.

how about this?http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070625-000002.html

Though they may not be aware of it, sarcasm is their means of indirectly expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves. Wrapping their thoughts in a joke shields them from the vulnerability that comes with directly putting one's opinions out there

Rather than refering to an article, will you explain what you meant by your 20 targets in 1 game post? Seriously, for those of us thinking about picking him up, elaboration on the negatives could be useful.

 

[-baller]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Brilliant post, thanks for the insight.

how about this?http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070625-000002.html

Though they may not be aware of it, sarcasm is their means of indirectly expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves. Wrapping their thoughts in a joke shields them from the vulnerability that comes with directly putting one's opinions out there

Rather than refering to an article, will you explain what you meant by your 20 targets in 1 game post? Seriously, for those of us thinking about picking him up, elaboration on the negatives could be useful.

it was a joke.

 

[-JAP-]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Brilliant post, thanks for the insight.

how about this?http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070625-000002.html

Though they may not be aware of it, sarcasm is their means of indirectly expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves. Wrapping their thoughts in a joke shields them from the vulnerability that comes with directly putting one's opinions out there

The funny thing is he probably had that quote and link weeks ago. This was apparently the right moment to use it.

 

[kevjones22]

lets stop pissing in this thread.

I picked him up off waivers but if he doesn't produce in the next two weeks I plan on dropping him for Branch/Engram

 

[Yitbos69]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Brilliant post, thanks for the insight.

how about this?http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070625-000002.html

Though they may not be aware of it, sarcasm is their means of indirectly expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves. Wrapping their thoughts in a joke shields them from the vulnerability that comes with directly putting one's opinions out there

Rather than refering to an article, will you explain what you meant by your 20 targets in 1 game post? Seriously, for those of us thinking about picking him up, elaboration on the negatives could be useful.

it was a joke.

A joke is supposed to be funny right?

 

[Jello_Biafra]

lets stop pissing in this thread.I picked him up off waivers but if he doesn't produce in the next two weeks I plan on dropping him for Branch/Engram

Didn't he get busted for coke?

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

How involved was Porter in the preseason?

From what I recall of Porter, he blows. And yes, I recall his history, being the number 3 on some pretty strong teams alongside 2 HOFers, but you'd think he'd have learned something in that time. This is not some stud in waiting, this is a 30 year old almost 10 years in the league who's never had:

-1000 yards

-10 TDs

-80 catches

Which isn't a total condemnation of what he can bring, those are solid numbers, but in any of his eight seasons, he's never hit them. He's only had 70+ catches once.

At some point you have to question a guys ability.

Now Matt Jones hasn't even done what Porter's done. He's a clumsy stiff with a questionable makeup. However, what he has is a history with Garrard and a leg up on the injured Porter.

They both kind of suck but I have to think Jones has the upside. If he ever puts it together with that body, he'll be a nice endzone target.

 

[-baller]

A joke is supposed to be funny right?

*checks file*http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/health/r...rch/03sarc.html

What you may not have realized is that perceiving sarcasm, the smirking put-down that buries its barb by stating the opposite, requires a nifty mental trick that lies at the heart of social relations: figuring out what others are thinking. Those who lose the ability, whether through a head injury or the frontotemporal dementias afflicting the patients in Dr. Rankin’s study, just do not get it when someone says during a hurricane, “Nice weather we’re having.”

 

[Routilla]

How involved was Porter in the preseason? From what I recall of Porter, he blows.

This is what I thought as well. He also gets hurt rather easily.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Jones reportedly really turned himself around in the offseason/pre-season and he and Garrard definitely have a good rapport.

Landed him last week in 2 of my leagues. 10 targets a game? me thinks Porter isn't going to bite into that too too much.

A great WW steal, imo.

 

[Cookiemonster]

During one of the preseason games, the announcers were talking about Matt Jones and about what Garrard said about Jones in his pre-game interview. Matt's QB said that he finally "gets it" this year. The announcers were kind of suspicious and asked "wasn't Matt a QB in college?" Garrard replied something along the lines of "he wasn't that kind of QB. he'd never make it in the NFL. he's not quick at picking up the plays, but he's got it now."

 

[[scooter]]

lets stop pissing in this thread.

Why not? He probably needs the clean sample.

 

[Vintage_Football]

First its Clyde Drexler,..now it's Matt Jones? Pfft... Porter will never be the #1 apparently!

 

[TBIST]

How involved was Porter in the preseason?

From what I recall of Porter, he blows. And yes, I recall his history, being the number 3 on some pretty strong teams alongside 2 HOFers, but you'd think he'd have learned something in that time. This is not some stud in waiting, this is a 30 year old almost 10 years in the league who's never had:

-1000 yards

-10 TDs

-80 catches

Which isn't a total condemnation of what he can bring, those are solid numbers, but in any of his eight seasons, he's never hit them. He's only had 70+ catches once.

At some point you have to question a guys ability.

Now Matt Jones hasn't even done what Porter's done. He's a clumsy stiff with a questionable makeup. However, what he has is a history with Garrard and a leg up on the injured Porter.

They both kind of suck but I have to think Jones has the upside. If he ever puts it together with that body, he'll be a nice endzone target.

He's been lackadaisical, a quitter, and a guy who likes to try and make one handed catches, but he's no stiff, the dude is a hell of an athlete, it's just his size makes him look unspectacular... See Calvin Johnson cause they have basically the same athletic ability.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

He's been lackadaisical, a quitter, and a guy who likes to try and make one handed catches, but he's no stiff, the dude is a hell of an athlete, it's just his size makes him look unspectacular...

I'm with you, I'm with you, I'm with you...

See Calvin Johnson cause they have basically the same athletic ability.

I'm not with you.

 

[TBIST]

He's been lackadaisical, a quitter, and a guy who likes to try and make one handed catches, but he's no stiff, the dude is a hell of an athlete, it's just his size makes him look unspectacular...

I'm with you, I'm with you, I'm with you...

See Calvin Johnson cause they have basically the same athletic ability.

I'm not with you.

Combine results practically identical even though Jones is bigger than Johnson. Also see Matt Jones college highlights in football and basketball.

 

[resko99]

Right now he is top ten in targets in all of football. That = opportunity. In FF that can outweigh talent, yet he has the athletic ability and size to be a stud, with ?'s reguarding his hands and head. I believe he's got top 15-20WR potential. I've rostered him in most of my leagues.

 

[Short Corner]

A joke is supposed to be funny right?

*checks file*http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/health/r...rch/03sarc.html

What you may not have realized is that perceiving sarcasm, the smirking put-down that buries its barb by stating the opposite, requires a nifty mental trick that lies at the heart of social relations: figuring out what others are thinking. Those who lose the ability, whether through a head injury or the frontotemporal dementias afflicting the patients in Dr. Rankin’s study, just do not get it when someone says during a hurricane, “Nice weather we’re having.”

This isn't working. Nice try though.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

How involved was Porter in the preseason?

From what I recall of Porter, he blows. And yes, I recall his history, being the number 3 on some pretty strong teams alongside 2 HOFers, but you'd think he'd have learned something in that time. This is not some stud in waiting, this is a 30 year old almost 10 years in the league who's never had:

-1000 yards

-10 TDs

-80 catches

Which isn't a total condemnation of what he can bring, those are solid numbers, but in any of his eight seasons, he's never hit them. He's only had 70+ catches once.

At some point you have to question a guys ability.

Now Matt Jones hasn't even done what Porter's done. He's a clumsy stiff with a questionable makeup. However, what he has is a history with Garrard and a leg up on the injured Porter.

They both kind of suck but I have to think Jones has the upside. If he ever puts it together with that body, he'll be a nice endzone target.

He's been lackadaisical, a quitter, and a guy who likes to try and make one handed catches, but he's no stiff, the dude is a hell of an athlete, it's just his size makes him look unspectacular... See Calvin Johnson cause they have basically the same athletic ability.

I can't find any drops stats, but it would seem if he could do a better job holding onto the ball, he'd be more productive. We may be splitting hairs with semantics, but if you can't catch a ball thrown your way, you are a stiff and too clumsy to make a grab. I'm not saying that will hold me back from owning him, but he seems to drop a lot of balls that hit him in the mitts in my limited recollection of him.

 

[Sam Quentin]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Brilliant post, thanks for the insight.

how about this?http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20070625-000002.html

Though they may not be aware of it, sarcasm is their means of indirectly expressing aggression toward others and insecurity about themselves. Wrapping their thoughts in a joke shields them from the vulnerability that comes with directly putting one's opinions out there

Rather than refering to an article, will you explain what you meant by your 20 targets in 1 game post? Seriously, for those of us thinking about picking him up, elaboration on the negatives could be useful.

it was a joke.

I don't get it.What genuinely funny is that when I first saw the Psychologytoday link and post, I wasn't sure which poster it was directed to until after i saw who posted it....(cues music)... It's like a fly in your Chardonay...

 

[Tau837]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

the same time his trade value equals BM. point is, this guy is still on most peoples WW, you cant acquire Bmarshall in ppr leagues for anything less than a top 12 RB. huge difference.

I would expect to see Jones' value drop once Porter returns - which should be this week.

 

[Tau837]

How involved was Porter in the preseason? From what I recall of Porter, he blows. And yes, I recall his history, being the number 3 on some pretty strong teams alongside 2 HOFers, but you'd think he'd have learned something in that time. This is not some stud in waiting, this is a 30 year old almost 10 years in the league who's never had:-1000 yards-10 TDs-80 catchesWhich isn't a total condemnation of what he can bring, those are solid numbers, but in any of his eight seasons, he's never hit them. He's only had 70+ catches once. At some point you have to question a guys ability.Now Matt Jones hasn't even done what Porter's done. He's a clumsy stiff with a questionable makeup. However, what he has is a history with Garrard and a leg up on the injured Porter. They both kind of suck but I have to think Jones has the upside. If he ever puts it together with that body, he'll be a nice endzone target.

Porter wasn't involved in the preseason because he was hurt. But they signed him to a large contract in the offseason to be their WR1. At this point, there is no reason to think he won't be.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Porter wasn't involved in the preseason because he was hurt. But they signed him to a large contract in the offseason to be their WR1. At this point, there is no reason to think he won't be.

No reason? I can come up with 6 reasons and I haven't even had my morning coffee yet:1. in eight seasons, he's only been a #1 WR one time.

2. he's never had a 1000-yard season

3. injury issues 3 of the past 5 seasons

4. over the past 4 seasons he's only managed to catch 48% of his targets. That's brutal.

5. he's 30 years old and on the downhill side of his career

6. being signed to a large contract has nothing to do with your ability to be a #1 WR. See: Alvin Harper.

 

[switz]

Keep your eye on JAG's WR Matt Jones. He has been targeted 20 times already this season...clearly Garrard's go to man. Now if he can just hang on to the ball.

Did Garrard have any other options? Not really. Which is why the JAX offense has sucked.Porter is back, expect Jones "targets" to go way way way down now.

 

[switz]

Porter wasn't involved in the preseason because he was hurt. But they signed him to a large contract in the offseason to be their WR1. At this point, there is no reason to think he won't be.

No reason? I can come up with 6 reasons and I haven't even had my morning coffee yet:1. in eight seasons, he's only been a #1 WR one time.

That's because he was drafted as a project player, and then the team signed Randy Moss, one of the best WRs all-time. Who do you think would be the #1 in that situation?

2. he's never had a 1000-yard season

Yeah, he missed it by what, 4 yards?

3. injury issues 3 of the past 5 seasons

That makes him incapable of being a #1 WR? Andre Johnson down? Injuries don't have anything to do with talent. Fact is, when he hits the field, he is by far the most talented WR the Jags have (even Mike Walker, who is good)

4. over the past 4 seasons he's only managed to catch 48% of his targets. That's brutal.

And he's had no QB throwing to him. Have you seen Tavaris Jackson throwing this year? Do you blame the MIN WRs for the number of "targets" they don't catch? Porter had crap at QB...

5. he's 30 years old and on the downhill side of his career

Actually, WRs don't have a 30 year old wall, like RBs do. At 30, a lot of WRs are in their peak. Look at TO over the past 4 years....

6. being signed to a large contract has nothing to do with your ability to be a #1 WR. See: Alvin Harper.

While that's true, being signed to a big contract also doesn't mean you cannot be a #1 WR. However, being signed to a big contract DOES mean you will be given every opportunity to be the #1 WR (see Alvin Harper, Peerless Price, etc.)Nothing in your argument indicates Porter is not capable of being a #1 WR. In fact, he has been a #1 WR before, and put up numbers on a team with a bad supporting cast. His situation in JAX is far superior to that in OAK, and barring further injury, he will get every opportunity to put up #s. And in FF, opportunity usually = points.

 

[[icon]]

let me know when he gets 20 targets in one game.

Some of us play in leagues deeper than 8 teams and a guy averaging 10 targets a game has some very real value.

 

[valhallan]

There have been countless first round receivers that took several seasons of crap before they "got it". Jones could easily be one of those guys and I'm happy to have his upside on my dynasty squad.

That said, he hasn't been very impressive with his targets. He looks slow on the field and can't break tackles. I'm not sure he's ready to make the leap yet, but at least he's in the game plan.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Come to grips, switz. I don't know why you have some kind of love for Porter, but he's been sub-standard w/o Brown & Rice flanking him. He's got O.K. straight-line speed, but nothing like he was billed to be. He's got TE like moves and never gets separation. He's got better than average hands, and is fairly big & strong, but he's no more than an older Matt Jones at this point and Garrard already likes Jones. He's never worked w/ Porter. I see no reason why Porter would "step right in" as the #1. The only reason Porter ever approached 1K yards is 'cause Curry kept snapping his achilles. When Curry was on the field, he was always the favorite WR over Porter - regardless of the QB. How's Curry looking now?

 

[menobrown]

but he's been sub-standard w/o Brown & Rice flanking him.

He had his two best season without Brown or Rice flanking him.

 

[dornado]

There have been countless first round receivers that took several seasons of crap before they "got it". Jones could easily be one of those guys and I'm happy to have his upside on my dynasty squad. That said, he hasn't been very impressive with his targets. He looks slow on the field and can't break tackles. I'm not sure he's ready to make the leap yet, but at least he's in the game plan.

I picked up Jones a few weeks back but he's kind of on the chopping block every time a new waiver wire option appears... though I haven't dropped him yet.On your larger point here, that it takes some WRs a while to 'get it'... I'm wondering if there are any examples of guys who finally 'clicked' in their 4th year, after being given the amount of opportunity Jones has... I'm sure there are guys who wasted away on the bench and then came on strong... but at what point do we say 'what you see is what you get' with Matt Jones?

 

[TommyGilmore]

4. over the past 4 seasons he's only managed to catch 48% of his targets. That's brutal.

And he's had no QB throwing to him. Have you seen Tavaris Jackson throwing this year? Do you blame the MIN WRs for the number of "targets" they don't catch? Porter had crap at QB...

2004 - caught 47% of targets with Rich Gannon and Kerry Collins throwing to him. Yeah, no pro bowl quarterbacks there.

 

[switz]

4. over the past 4 seasons he's only managed to catch 48% of his targets. That's brutal.

And he's had no QB throwing to him. Have you seen Tavaris Jackson throwing this year? Do you blame the MIN WRs for the number of "targets" they don't catch? Porter had crap at QB...

2004 - caught 47% of targets with Rich Gannon and Kerry Collins throwing to him. Yeah, no pro bowl quarterbacks there.

How many games did Gannon play that year? And Kerry Collins? LOL - you're kidding me if you are trying to argue he's a good QB... he's been shipped around so much, he probably wakes up each morning and checks what team he's on today.

 

[switz]

Come to grips, switz. I don't know why you have some kind of love for Porter, but he's been sub-standard w/o Brown & Rice flanking him.

You may want to recheck that.

 

[valhallan]

There have been countless first round receivers that took several seasons of crap before they "got it". Jones could easily be one of those guys and I'm happy to have his upside on my dynasty squad. That said, he hasn't been very impressive with his targets. He looks slow on the field and can't break tackles. I'm not sure he's ready to make the leap yet, but at least he's in the game plan.

I picked up Jones a few weeks back but he's kind of on the chopping block every time a new waiver wire option appears... though I haven't dropped him yet.On your larger point here, that it takes some WRs a while to 'get it'... I'm wondering if there are any examples of guys who finally 'clicked' in their 4th year, after being given the amount of opportunity Jones has... I'm sure there are guys who wasted away on the bench and then came on strong... but at what point do we say 'what you see is what you get' with Matt Jones?

First, these last two games were only his 6th and 7th starts of his career, so his opportunity hasn't been as great as you think. Especially when you consider the mentality of the Jaguars. As for other WRs, Cris Carter is the classic example. He started in 4 full seasons and had significant playing time in another before recording his first 1,000 yard campaign in his 7th season. Reggie Wayne also had boatloads of talent and opportunity but he didn't produce like expected until his 4th season. Some others... Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Michael Irvin.I don't think Jones compares favorably to any of those guys except maybe Wayne if you can remember how down on him people were before he broke out. I honestly don't expect we'll ever get more than maybe one or two good seasons out of Jones and this could easily be it given their problems on the o-line, on defense, and lack of consistency at the other WR spots.

 

[Go Pack]

I was offered a third rounder for Matt Jones in a dynasty league just yesterday. I guess he now has at least a little value. I am debating on if I want to take the pick and run before he becomes irrelevant again or if he really is starting to get it and will continue to improve. I am leaning towards cutting bait before he is worthless again.

 

[TommyGilmore]

4. over the past 4 seasons he's only managed to catch 48% of his targets. That's brutal.

And he's had no QB throwing to him. Have you seen Tavaris Jackson throwing this year? Do you blame the MIN WRs for the number of "targets" they don't catch? Porter had crap at QB...

2004 - caught 47% of targets with Rich Gannon and Kerry Collins throwing to him. Yeah, no pro bowl quarterbacks there.

How many games did Gannon play that year? And Kerry Collins? LOL - you're kidding me if you are trying to argue he's a good QB... he's been shipped around so much, he probably wakes up each morning and checks what team he's on today.

Ronald Curry managed to catch 70% of the passes Collins threw to him that year.

 

[Tau837]

Porter wasn't involved in the preseason because he was hurt. But they signed him to a large contract in the offseason to be their WR1. At this point, there is no reason to think he won't be.

No reason? I can come up with 6 reasons and I haven't even had my morning coffee yet:1. in eight seasons, he's only been a #1 WR one time.

2. he's never had a 1000-yard season

3. injury issues 3 of the past 5 seasons

4. over the past 4 seasons he's only managed to catch 48% of his targets. That's brutal.

5. he's 30 years old and on the downhill side of his career

6. being signed to a large contract has nothing to do with your ability to be a #1 WR. See: Alvin Harper.

Points 1-5 were all true when the Jags signed him, but they still signed him to be their #1 WR. Ignore that if you want to, but IMO he will be targeted more than Jones in all games he is healthy. The point of this thread is that Jones is averaging 10 targets per game, and thus offers good value... but those targets are about to go down.

 

[The_U]

I was offered a third rounder for Matt Jones in a dynasty league just yesterday. I guess he now has at least a little value. I am debating on if I want to take the pick and run before he becomes irrelevant again or if he really is starting to get it and will continue to improve. I am leaning towards cutting bait before he is worthless again.

While I actually like Jones' opportunity this season and what appears to be a new outlook on his career in the NFL after basically wasting his first three seasons, CUT. BAIT. AND. RUN.