Matt Leinart Looking Good (1 Viewer)

[Bob_Magaw]

maybe some of the dire predictions associated with rookie QBs were off the mark...

VY almost led his team to victory against HEAVILY favored IND

gradkowski almost pulled off big upset & galloway had over 100 yards receiving

than leinart throws 2 TDs in first half & has team up at the break

BTW, what is NFL record for TD passes in an initial start for a ROOKIE QB?

 

[kevthegrad]

was loving what I saw out of Leinart stat-wise (can't see the game) early on. Started him over Rothlisberger and loving the results. Game looks close too, so hoping he has to keep it up in the 2nd half.

Heard Fitzgerald was out with an injury though, one less weapon...that's not so good.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs, but the reason the Titans were in this game was because the defense held the Colts to 14 points AT Indy - THAT'S the impressive part of this game. If Young put up the same stats and the Colts won 38-13, I don't think anyone would be so impressed.

 

[krsone21]

VY almost led his team to victory against HEAVILY favored IND

I would have to disagree with this one it wasn't Vince Young who almost led the titans to victory. I would say it was the Titans running game, Travis Henry and Lendale White, and the Titans defense that almost won this game.

 

[Your Mom]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs, but the reason the Titans were in this game was because the defense held the Colts to 14 points AT Indy - THAT'S the impressive part of this game. If Young put up the same stats and the Colts won 38-13, I don't think anyone would be so impressed.

People never seemed to complain when Roethlisberger put up those kind of numbers backed by his D...

 

[The Jacket]

Not to knock Leinart, he was solid, poised and pretty impressive. But his plays were more with wide open receivers and blown coverages than anything.

When he had to force a ball in there, he was way off. He made two VERY critical mistakes in taking a sack and throwing an INT deep in his own territory.

The Chiefs were not nearly at their best today. Lenny Walls sucks.

But credit to him. He'll be a good one, but his arm isn't an NFL arm. He can't make all the throws. Game manager type IMO.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

joe montana didn't have a cannon strapped to his torso & i think was credited with being more than a game manager... its great to have a gun, but not necessarily a prerequisite to putting up good numbers... he (leinart) is actually good on wheel route which is a deep throw... i think he can throw most of the passes except for gunning the deep out, & there are enough other routes in the playbook that it doesn't have to be a catastrophic absence in his repertoire or a dealbreaker, imo...

there have been just as many QBs with live arms that weren't great passers (vick comes to mind currently)... timing, accuracy, instincts, field vision & awareness, knowledge of the game, pocket sense, short area mobility, poise & composure under duress are probably more crucial attributes for NFL success...

don't get me wrong, i think a terrible arm would be a severe disadvantage, but i think he has at least average arm & other things he brings to table will more than compensate... boldin is great at RAC & fitz can sky & still come down with less than perfectly accurate balls... whoever is QB in ARI will be more than a game manager just because of the weapons they have...

* also, if he had just 1 turnover today, that is big improvement over warner in first month... i don't think too many people expected leinart to win first two against KC & CHI, so at least that was a respectable showing for first effort... there is a good possibility he improves as season progresses...

 

[videoguy505]

I posted in the Def by Committe thread my controversial theory that first starts of rookie QBs aren't going to always suck. With limited game film for the opponent to study and a probably simplified playbook for the QB, a rookie with a week to prepare for an established D won't always be terrible. We brought up some names of 1st timers and fairly unknown and untested backups (Ryan Fitzpatrick last year for the Rams, Holcomb a few years back for Cleveland, and some others), guys that showed spark when the opponent didn't know how to really gameplan for them, only to fizzle once they saw enough different looks and packages that the opponent could figure out what to run against them.

Limited sample size, and I have no idea where to start backing up with real numbers, but based purely off my selective memory, a rookie coming in after riding the pine to start the season doesn't always poop the sheets.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs, but the reason the Titans were in this game was because the defense held the Colts to 14 points AT Indy - THAT'S the impressive part of this game. If Young put up the same stats and the Colts won 38-13, I don't think anyone would be so impressed.

People never seemed to complain when Roethlisberger put up those kind of numbers backed by his D...

When was Roethlisberger ever 10/21 with an INT? (I mean, before this year.) As a rookie he had a very good completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and TD-INT ratio.I would have said that people didn't complain about Kyle Orton last year.

 

[kutta]

Not to knock Leinart, he was solid, poised and pretty impressive. But his plays were more with wide open receivers and blown coverages than anything.

When he had to force a ball in there, he was way off. He made two VERY critical mistakes in taking a sack and throwing an INT deep in his own territory.

The Chiefs were not nearly at their best today. Lenny Walls sucks.

But credit to him. He'll be a good one, but his arm isn't an NFL arm. He can't make all the throws. Game manager type IMO.

I disagree with the blown coverage part. The first TD to Boldin was a pretty much an all-out blitz and Boldin was in single coverage. Boldin had a step, but by no means was he wide open, and it was not a blown coverage. Leinart made a perfect throw. Also, Leinart made a perfect throw to BJ in the endzone and he dropped it. That too was not blown coverage and required a perfectly thrown ball. He also drove the team down the field in at the end of the game with no timeouts to put them in position to send the game to OT.Sure, he made a couple mistakes. But there is a lot of talk that even the int may not have been 100% his fault as Boldin may have been able to do more to prevent it.

So I think for a first NFL game, he was great. The Cards lost, as usual , but it was more due to bad play calling (as usual) and a key dropped pass that would have put the Cards up 27-10.

I think for a first NFL game, he was great.

 

[Hawk]

Part of the reason the Titans ran the ball so well was because the defense had to account for Vince Young's running threat which opened more holes. On the drive when Young scored, they gashed them with the RB's all the way down the field using shotgun/zone read runs, and you could see the DE and linebackers freeze trying to figure out whether Young or the RB was going to take it. That's why Young was able to get the corner and score, because the DE crashed in to get the RB who was tearing them up, and Young stepped around him and took off. The Titans seemed to go away from that a little in the 2nd half which may have been a mistake.

 

[Da Guru]

Vince Young looked horrible! What game were you watching?

The only reason the game was close is because the Titans defense stopped the Colts many times on third and 4 and third and 5 and got them off the field.

 

[-OZ-]

Vince Young looked horrible! What game were you watching?

This may depend on your expectations. He looked better than I expected, showed glimpses of his potential. He did not look like an experienced QB, but did you expect him to?

 

[redman]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs, but the reason the Titans were in this game was because the defense held the Colts to 14 points AT Indy - THAT'S the impressive part of this game. If Young put up the same stats and the Colts won 38-13, I don't think anyone would be so impressed.

I didn't see the game, but if Indy's general strategy was anything other than "stop the run and let VY (try to) beat us" then Dungy needs his head examined. In that context, 10/21 with a pick ain't so hot.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Jon Kitna was looking good after week one also.

...and the 2-0 Brad Johnson was looking good after week two.

...and the 3-0 Matt Hasselbeck was ON FIRE after week three.

...and JP Losman was looking like a real NFL QB after week four.

Matt Leinart will look every bit the rookie QB against the Bears next Sunday night, just like they made all the aforementioned QBs look.

2 INTs, a fumble and five sacks is my prediction.

 

[kutta]

Jon Kitna was looking good after week one also....and the 2-0 Brad Johnson was looking good after week two....and the 3-0 Matt Hasselbeck was ON FIRE after week three....and JP Losman was looking like a real NFL QB after week four.Matt Leinart will look every bit the rookie QB against the Bears next Sunday night, just like they made all the aforementioned QBs look.2 INTs, a fumble and five sacks is my prediction.

Of course. But then he has Oakland and Green Bay, and all will be good again.

 

[3nOut]

Jon Kitna was looking good after week one also....and the 2-0 Brad Johnson was looking good after week two....and the 3-0 Matt Hasselbeck was ON FIRE after week three....and JP Losman was looking like a real NFL QB after week four.Matt Leinart will look every bit the rookie QB against the Bears next Sunday night, just like they made all the aforementioned QBs look.2 INTs, a fumble and five sacks is my prediction.

If ANY rookie puts up these kind of numbers against this Bears D, I'd say he had a good day and will have a bright career.

 

[Bri]

maybe some of the dire predictions associated with rookie QBs were off the mark...VY almost led his team to victory against HEAVILY favored INDgradkowski almost pulled off big upset & galloway had over 100 yards receivingthan leinart throws 2 TDs in first half & has team up at the breakBTW, what is NFL record for TD passes in an initial start for a ROOKIE QB?

Marino threw for 3 touchdown's against Buffalo in his first start. So Leinart would need at least one more touchdown pass to tie Marino. Not sure if Marino holds the record there, but it's something to work with...Bigtime play from the three rookie starting QB's today. Cutler must be chomping at the bits.

IIRC Delhomme threw for 3 and ran for another against Dallas on Monday night, his first start

 

[Bri]

Makes me wonder if the Niners should have taken someone else instead of Smith 2 years back. You sorta knew they'd get another high pick this past year.

 

[Judge Smails]

Leinart made BEAUTIFUL throws yesterday. He was nimble in the pocket, good presence, didn't get flustered, and hit receivers in stride. He's gonna be a great one.

 

[Bri]

Leinart made BEAUTIFUL throws yesterday. He was nimble in the pocket, good presence, didn't get flustered, and hit receivers in stride. He's gonna be a great one.

losing weighs on a player like him that's used to winning so much. I'll be interested to see how it affects his game. Some it brings bad forcing passes habits.

 

[The Jacket]

He was nimble in the pocket, good presence, didn't get flustered, and hit receivers in stride.

At times.He was flustered and he had horrible presence at other times.Probably just rookie errors, but the jury is out.

 

[sinatravolta]

Jon Kitna was looking good after week one also....and the 2-0 Brad Johnson was looking good after week two....and the 3-0 Matt Hasselbeck was ON FIRE after week three....and JP Losman was looking like a real NFL QB after week four.Matt Leinart will look every bit the rookie QB against the Bears next Sunday night, just like they made all the aforementioned QBs look.2 INTs, a fumble and five sacks is my prediction.

If ANY rookie puts up these kind of numbers against this Bears D, I'd say he had a good day and will have a bright career.

What kind of numbers are we talking about? 2 INTs, a fumble and 5 sacks? I think these are fair numbers on what's to be expected, but if he manages only to do this badly - are you saying that's grounds for saying he'll have a bright career?

 

[Gargoylez]

BGrad looked the best out of all of them IMO. Leinart looked good and Young well ....*cough*Vick*cough*.

Young had little to do with the Almost victory except for a 19 yard TD run... It was all Henry/White.

 

[Two Deep]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs, but the reason the Titans were in this game was because the defense held the Colts to 14 points AT Indy - THAT'S the impressive part of this game. If Young put up the same stats and the Colts won 38-13, I don't think anyone would be so impressed.

I would just like to add that those 10 completions went for 63 total yards.

 

[Guru]

Leinart looks great play in the following weeks:

Week 7 @ OAK

Week 8 @ GB

Week 11 vs DET

Week 13 @ STL

Week 16 @ SF

Weeks 10 vs Dal & 14 vs Sea could be OK.

His tough Weeks are:

Week 6 vs CHI

Week 12 @ MIN

Week 15 vs DEN

Week 17 @ SD

If you have room on your roster he is a great pickup imo.

 

[-OZ-]

Jon Kitna was looking good after week one also....and the 2-0 Brad Johnson was looking good after week two....and the 3-0 Matt Hasselbeck was ON FIRE after week three....and JP Losman was looking like a real NFL QB after week four.Matt Leinart will look every bit the rookie QB against the Bears next Sunday night, just like they made all the aforementioned QBs look.2 INTs, a fumble and five sacks is my prediction.

Playing horribly against the Bears D has nothing to do with looking like a rookie. I'm giving Leinart a free pass this week, unless he shocks everyone by playing well against the Bears. At this point, I'm not sure Peyton Manning would have a good game in the Windy City.

 

[Z-Dog]

maybe some of the dire predictions associated with rookie QBs were off the mark...VY almost led his team to victory against HEAVILY favored INDgradkowski almost pulled off big upset & galloway had over 100 yards receivingthan leinart throws 2 TDs in first half & has team up at the breakBTW, what is NFL record for TD passes in an initial start for a ROOKIE QB?

Marino threw for 3 touchdown's against Buffalo in his first start. So Leinart would need at least one more touchdown pass to tie Marino. Not sure if Marino holds the record there, but it's something to work with...Bigtime play from the three rookie starting QB's today. Cutler must be chomping at the bits.

IIRC Delhomme threw for 3 and ran for another against Dallas on Monday night, his first start

First start is not the same as first start by a rookie.

 

[Billy1x]

Many rookies and backups look good the first two games because none of the other teams have film on them. The struggle usually starts in the 3rd week when they start seeing new defenses.

 

[titanT]

Young's INT was on a jump ball on the last play before halftime. I think you can throw that one out of your arguments against him. Bobby Wade also dropped a perfectly thrown for sure TD pass late in the 4th quarter. If his stats were 11/21 100 yards 1 TD 0 Ints 1 Rushing TD you guys would be looking at it differently. VY looked pretty good

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs.

I think that is why people were impresed - he's a running QB who has to learn the NFL game. His game = Michael Vick. Not Peyton Manning.

 

[Marc Levin]

OnLeinert, more impressive than his first half was his 2-minute offense.

He went from the 10 and droive down the field with no TOs and got Rackers a VERY MAKEABLE kick (kicking a 51 yerader at home aint crazy for Mr. "I can hit each goalpost")

I think he'll be good from here on out even w/o a healthy Fitzgerald. I worry more for Boldin right now, and I think Edge's reception numbers are about to take a significant uptick.

 

[titanT]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs.

I think that is why people were impresed - he's a running QB who has to learn the NFL game. His game = Michael Vick. Not Peyton Manning.

No, his game is not like Michael Vick's. You've been watching too much ESPN

 

[Gargoylez]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs.

I think that is why people were impresed - he's a running QB who has to learn the NFL game. His game = Michael Vick. Not Peyton Manning.

No, his game is not like Michael Vick's. You've been watching too much ESPN

Sorry the few times I watched the game, all I saw was Michael Vick on Steroids.Cant say I watched the whole thing but he looked somewhat shakey and reminded everyone I was with, of Vick.

 

[Slingblade]

Young's INT was on a jump ball on the last play before halftime. I think you can throw that one out of your arguments against him. Bobby Wade also dropped a perfectly thrown for sure TD pass late in the 4th quarter. If his stats were 11/21 100 yards 1 TD 0 Ints 1 Rushing TD you guys would be looking at it differently. VY looked pretty good

 

[Marc Levin]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs.

I think that is why people were impresed - he's a running QB who has to learn the NFL game. His game = Michael Vick. Not Peyton Manning.

No, his game is not like Michael Vick's. You've been watching too much ESPN

Yer right - instead of running around and over people in the open field, he runs through them.His game = Michael Vick. At Texas, he stood in the pocket, read three progressions quickly, then ran - or it was a QB option play and he read one progression and ran - or it was a QB run that was called. If he was chased form the pocket, he ran.

That's what Vick does in the NFL. Watch when Brady or McNabb are chased from the pocket - they stop before the LOS and look downfield - not Vick. And that was not what Young did in college. Incidentally, Vick was MUCH MUCH further along as a pocket passer wqhen he came out of college than Young was - and Young has a LONG way to go to be as good a pocket passer as Vick currently is - and Vick is not a good pocket passer yet.

And I've been watching college football for 30 ytears - I don't need ESPN's or YOUR help to tell me what *I* am seeing.

 

[Marc Levin]

Oh - and by the way you are right - he is not Vick. Vick has a stronger arm and better touch on his deep ball.

Young has a LONG LONG way to go to be as good a passer as Mike Vick.

But, they have similar styles of play - thus, my comment.

 

[Gargoylez]

I don't know why Vince Young is getting all this love - 10/21 with an INT? Pretty bad. He had some nice runs.

I think that is why people were impresed - he's a running QB who has to learn the NFL game. His game = Michael Vick. Not Peyton Manning.

No, his game is not like Michael Vick's. You've been watching too much ESPN

Yer right - instead of running around and over people in the open field, he runs through them.His game = Michael Vick. At Texas, he stood in the pocket, read three progressions quickly, then ran - or it was a QB option play and he read one progression and ran - or it was a QB run that was called. If he was chased form the pocket, he ran.

That's what Vick does in the NFL. Watch when Brady or McNabb are chased from the pocket - they stop before the LOS and look downfield - not Vick. And that was not what Young did in college. Incidentally, Vick was MUCH MUCH further along as a pocket passer wqhen he came out of college than Young was - and Young has a LONG way to go to be as good a pocket passer as Vick currently is - and Vick is not a good pocket passer yet.

And I've been watching college football for 30 ytears - I don't need ESPN's or YOUR help to tell me what *I* am seeing.

Most of the scouting reports said he has a long way to go before being able to compete at a high level in the NFL. From what i gathered, in college, he had a one read and run type progression. I could be wrong but I do recall peopel saying that.He WILL be a good QB, he will have every chance to succeed... but RIGHT NOW... he will struggle.

 

[Marc Levin]

And I've been watching college football for 30 ytears - I don't need ESPN's or YOUR help to tell me what *I* am seeing.

So you are saying at the age 7 you were breaking down college FB games

Did I say that?I am 39 - I was WATCHING college ball at 9 years old. I have been WATCHING the NFL since I was 4 years old.

What's your point?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I didn't see the game, but if Indy's general strategy was anything other than "stop the run and let VY (try to) beat us" then Dungy needs his head examined. In that context, 10/21 with a pick ain't so hot.

Right. You didn't see the game. His only pick was a hail mary at the half. The box score also will not reflect the perfectly thrown TD pass that was dropped near the end.The kid made some good throws yesterday. To say otherwise is to be disingenuous, ignorant, or just plain idiotic. Anyone saying he did nothing but horrible things would, imho, have to have some kind of axe to grind with the kid, although I can't imagine what that could be. I have never seen so many people actively hoping for a player's failure in all my life. Sure, he made some rookie mistakes yesterday...you know, the kind that a rookie qb, playing in only his second start, on the road, in a very tough venue, is quite prone to making. The team already plays harder for him and is producing somewhat better, even despite his limited time in a new offense. I honestly don't know what some of you want.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Part of the reason the Titans ran the ball so well was because the defense had to account for Vince Young's running threat which opened more holes. On the drive when Young scored, they gashed them with the RB's all the way down the field using shotgun/zone read runs, and you could see the DE and linebackers freeze trying to figure out whether Young or the RB was going to take it. That's why Young was able to get the corner and score, because the DE crashed in to get the RB who was tearing them up, and Young stepped around him and took off. The Titans seemed to go away from that a little in the 2nd half which may have been a mistake.

Young's INT was on a jump ball on the last play before halftime. I think you can throw that one out of your arguments against him. Bobby Wade also dropped a perfectly thrown for sure TD pass late in the 4th quarter. If his stats were 11/21 100 yards 1 TD 0 Ints 1 Rushing TD you guys would be looking at it differently. VY looked pretty good

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[Marc Levin]

What was your opinion when you first saw Johnny Unitas? How about John Cappelletti?

My opinion was that I should have had more candy and sodey pop.

 

[ChampBailey24]

Jon Kitna was looking good after week one also....and the 2-0 Brad Johnson was looking good after week two....and the 3-0 Matt Hasselbeck was ON FIRE after week three....and JP Losman was looking like a real NFL QB after week four.Matt Leinart will look every bit the rookie QB against the Bears next Sunday night, just like they made all the aforementioned QBs look.2 INTs, a fumble and five sacks is my prediction.

The Bears are the best team in the NFl and that's cool but will you ####### stop flooding every thread ? #######.

 

[Marc Levin]

What was your opinion when you first saw Johnny Unitas? How about John Cappelletti?

My opinion was that I should have had more candy and sodey pop.

P.S. - Johnny U was already out of the NFL when I was nine years old, but I have dim memories of watching Johnny U in Super Bowl 3.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

His game = Michael Vick. At Texas, he stood in the pocket, read three progressions quickly, then ran - or it was a QB option play and he read one progression and ran - or it was a QB run that was called. If he was chased form the pocket, he ran.

You forgot the many, many, many times that he threw on the run. Or were you even aware? Or how about "he read three progressions, then passed"? In '05, he ran for 1000 yards. He threw for 3000. First ever 3000/1000. Most of his highlight reel plays were runs because they were so spectacular, and that's what most people see, because they don't see the games and they catch the highlights on SC, but I can assure you that you don't throw for 3036 yards and 2 TDs a game (26) by running all the time.Some of you guys are truly hilarious.

From what i gathered, in college, he had a one read and run type progression.

That was Mort, spewing the "one-read offense" crap. The thing this...Mort's an arrogant moron and doesn't know what he's talking about. The "one-read" he's referring to is only on a a running play, the zone read. It's where the qb reads the DE to decide whether to keep or handoff. Texas rarely, if ever passes from a zone read fake. When Texas throws, they throw mostly from a spread shotgun single-back set with usually 3 or 4 WRs and multiple pre-snap and post-snap reads. They utilize multiple variations, including single and double TEs, and the I.

One-read offense my-a**, Mort.

 

[Marc Levin]

His game = Michael Vick. At Texas, he stood in the pocket, read three progressions quickly, then ran - or it was a QB option play and he read one progression and ran - or it was a QB run that was called. If he was chased form the pocket, he ran.

You forgot the many, many, many times that he threw on the run. Or were you even aware? Or how about "he read three progressions, then passed"? In '05, he ran for 1000 yards. He threw for 3000. First ever 3000/1000. You don't throw for 3000 yards by running all the time.

I never said he didn't throw the ball- didn't I MENTION his reads??????

His game is like Mike Vicks - Mike Vick threw for a LOT of yards in college, not so much in the NFL.

And Mike Vick's arm is BETTER than Young's - and Vick came out of college a MORE POLISHED pocket passer than Young.

Give it up, guy, their games are EXTREMELY similar

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Vick came out of college a MORE POLISHED pocket passer than Young.

Pocket passer?Neither guy was a true pocket passer coming out of college, and Vick was anything but polished. Still isn't. Better arm? Definitely. Vick's arm is better than almost everyone's. What does that have to do with this discussion? Better accuracy and touch? Definitely not.People who say Vick and Young are extremely similar just expose themselves as ignorant of either Vick's or Young's true style...or both...beyond just the superficial, what you see on SportsCenter, and what you hear from idiots like Mort and Hoge.

 

[Marc Levin]

Vick came out of college a MORE POLISHED pocket passer than Young.

Pocket passer?Neither guy was a true pocket passer coming out of college, and Vick was anything but polished. Still isn't. Better arm? Definitely. Better accuracy and touch? Definitely not.

People who say Vick and Young are extremely similar just expose themselves as ignorant of either Vick's or Young's true style...or both...beyond just the superficial, what you see on SportsCenter, and what you hear from idiots like Mort and Hoge.

You are being obstinate.Their games were very similar in college, and they are starting their career handling their teams in similar ways - not reading defenses well, learning how to play in the pocket, and best on the run.

I live in Colorado - been watching Texas games 4-eva.

Like I said, my ability to watch players and evaluate them is perfectly fine. The bolded part above is the last resort of a man with no argument except "it's that way because I said it is and if you disagree you are dumb"

[yoda]

Ignorant, I am not. Difference of opinion, have we.

[/yoda off]

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Vick came out of college a MORE POLISHED pocket passer than Young.

Pocket passer?Neither guy was a true pocket passer coming out of college, and Vick was anything but polished. Still isn't. Better arm? Definitely. Better accuracy and touch? Definitely not.

People who say Vick and Young are extremely similar just expose themselves as ignorant of either Vick's or Young's true style...or both...beyond just the superficial, what you see on SportsCenter, and what you hear from idiots like Mort and Hoge.

You are being obstinate.Their games were very similar in college, and they are starting their career handling their teams in similar ways - not reading defenses well, learning how to play in the pocket, and best on the run.

I live in Colorado - been watching Texas games 4-eva.

Like I said, my ability to watch players and evaluate them is perfectly fine. The bolded part above is the last resort of a man with no argument except "it's that way because I said it is and if you disagree you are dumb"

[yoda]

Ignorant, I am not. Difference of opinion, have we.

[/yoda off]

You are being obstinate.

...and this isn't your way of saying that by disagreeing I'm just being stubborn (read: dumb)?So you live in Colorado...OK. That has to do with watching Texas...how? I live in Texas. I don't claim to follow CU football. I don't get the connection. But whatever.

As for the bolded part, I only put that in there because it's the truth. It's easy to say Young is like Vick, because he's a good runner. It's more difficult to look deeper and see what really makes their games tick and see the real, basic differences between the two players...their strengths, weaknesses, personalities, etc.

 

[Marc Levin]

As for the bolded part, I only put that in there because it's the truth.

I guess you are going ahead and proving my point that you are being obstinate?Obstinate does not = dumb - it means hard-headedly stubbornAs for living in Colorado, I am exposed to big-10 football all the time - Texas is on reg'ler TeeVee every week and gets lots of exposure.