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Mauer wins AL batting title (1 Viewer)
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Did Jeter need to win the batting title to get the MVP?
Who is your MVP?
I think mine is Justin Morneau.
Who is your MVP?
I think mine is Justin Morneau.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
Mine alsoTake Jeter out of the Yanks lineup and they still win a lot of gamesTake Morneau out of the Twins lineup and the Twins don't even come close to winning all these games
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
What a great player. Remember when the Twins were criticized for taking Mauer over Prior? This is why they are able to win in a small market. Good management from top to bottom.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
to be fair, im pretty sure that prior's huge contract demands were the only reason he wasnt the pick. I dont believe they felt that Mauer was gonna be the better player. I mean Hell, the yankees couldnt even afford prior when they drafted him out of HS.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Jeter should win the MVP. After that (in no real order) should be Hafner, Grady Sizemore, Mauer, Manny Ramirez, and Jermaine Dye.
Pujols should win the NL MVP, although I understand if they give it to Howard.
Pujols should win the NL MVP, although I understand if they give it to Howard.
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Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Funny how ESPN headline says, "Jeter comes up short of Mauer in AL batting chase." The bias never ends.
I've been saying Morneau for MVP for awhile now, but it's starting to sink in that at 23 years old, winning a batting title and handling a very young pitching staff, while coming back to win the AL Central from as far back as they were, I wonder how you vote against Mauer.
The Jeter talk must end. He's had a good year, but MVP? No way.
See you at the Metrodome.
I've been saying Morneau for MVP for awhile now, but it's starting to sink in that at 23 years old, winning a batting title and handling a very young pitching staff, while coming back to win the AL Central from as far back as they were, I wonder how you vote against Mauer.
The Jeter talk must end. He's had a good year, but MVP? No way.
See you at the Metrodome.
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
The Twins are where they are because of Santana and Lirano, and then Mauer. Morneau can rake, but is he honestly the MVP of his own team? The Yankees are where they are because of Jeter. Jeter is on the top team in the league, I'm uber biased but he's got my vote.Congrats to Mauer though for not sitting on the average and going out and playing. He's going to be a lot of fun to watch in the years to come.
Capella
Footballguy
snogger
Footballguy
and not jeter??? 
doctor Gunks
Footballguy
Jeter's the MVP.
Without him they wouldn't have the 1 seed in the AL, but they'd still make the playoffs. So if you mean homefield advantage throughout the playoffs when you say "where they are today", then I'd agree.
Without him they wouldn't have the 1 seed in the AL, but they'd still make the playoffs. So if you mean homefield advantage throughout the playoffs when you say "where they are today", then I'd agree.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I think that the way that they finished, the MVP should come from the Twins. Jeter was money this year, but the Twins battled. I know that Jeter did it all in May and June when Matsui and Sheff went down..... but in Aug and Sept, Jeter was just another cog (albeit a very good one) in the Yankee machine. The problem with the Twins is that Morneau, Santana and Mauer might split enough votes to allow Jeter to win it.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
I know this is going to incite the philistines, but here goes:
I don't think these numbers say everything (Mauer handling the pitching staff, etc.) but they certainly should put to bed anyone acting as though Jeter is only considered because he's on the Yankees or plays in NY.
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Player Team Pos League VORP1. Albert Pujols SLN 1b NL 84.62. Travis Hafner CLE dh AL 80.83. Ryan Howard PHI 1b NL 80.74. Miguel Cabrera FLO 3b NL 80.35. Derek Jeter NYA ss AL 79.46. David Ortiz BOS dh AL 75.97. Grady Sizemore CLE cf AL 70.98. Lance Berkman HOU 1b NL 69.29. Carlos Beltran NYN cf NL 68.910. Miguel Tejada BAL ss AL 66.711. Joe Mauer MIN c AL 65.412. Jermaine Dye CHA rf AL 65.413. Manny Ramirez BOS lf AL 65.014. Carlos Guillen DET ss AL 64.915. Chase Utley PHI 2b NL 64.816. Jim Thome CHA dh AL 64.517. Vladimir Guerrero ANA rf AL 63.918. Vernon Wells TOR cf AL 58.419. Garrett Atkins COL 3b NL 58.020. Jose Reyes NYN ss NL 57.621. Matt Holliday COL lf NL 57.122. Hanley Ramirez FLO ss NL 56.123. Brian Mccann ATL c NL 55.524. Chipper Jones ATL 3b NL 53.325. David Wright NYN 3b NL 52.6doctor Gunks
Footballguy
Hafner is incredible. I do think VORP should be adjusted slightly for defensive prowess, and so I'm sticking by Jeter as my choice.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Small market teams can win. They just can't do so consistently.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
That's exactly my thinking.EDIT: His VORP is more than 10% more than the next closest position player's (omitting DH's). Going down another 10% from there (Grady Sizemore) includes 6 more AL position players (the 6th being Vlad Guerrero) and a DH.doctor Gunks said:
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Wooderson
Fight The Power
I have a friend who is a Cub fan and he still gets mad that the Twins were to cheap to pay Prior and his Cubs got stuck with him.
doctor Gunks
Footballguy
Not a big fan of VORP, huh?
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Impressive!
In the history of Major League Baseball, there have been only three times a catcher has won a batting title. Bubbles Hargrave was the first to accomplish the feat in 1926 with Cincinnati and Ernie Lombardi twice earned batting titles, one with Cincinnati in 1938 and another with the Boston (now Atlanta) Braves in 1942.
In the history of Major League Baseball, there have been only three times a catcher has won a batting title. Bubbles Hargrave was the first to accomplish the feat in 1926 with Cincinnati and Ernie Lombardi twice earned batting titles, one with Cincinnati in 1938 and another with the Boston (now Atlanta) Braves in 1942.
ThisGuy
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I find it interesting that Morneau didn't even make the Top 25.
