Maurice Morris' Ranking This Week (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

Does Dodds have some info about the Seattle RB situation he'd like to share?

 

[Enforcer]

That's just absurd. At this point there's no way that anyone should be promoting Morris or Jones ahead of the other. There's no reason to think that one will significantly outshine the other.

I was a big supporter of taking Morris ahead of Jones due to his ADP, but I can't get behind that ranking. Given the situation in Seattle with their offensive issues I think they are both ranked too high, and Morris significantly too high.

 

[packersfan]

My first reaction was it reminded me of the Greg Camarillo ranking a few weeks ago. Plenty of folks went when they saw that one too. Dodds was on the mark with it obviously. Could that happen again this time? Maybe. I'd be curious to know what prompted him to give that type of projection to a backup RB.

 

[Enforcer]

My first reaction was it reminded me of the Greg Camarillo ranking a few weeks ago. Plenty of folks went when they saw that one too. Dodds was on the mark with it obviously. Could that happen again this time? Maybe. I'd be curious to know what prompted him to give that type of projection to a backup RB.

I follow the Seattle beat writers very closely. I've seen nothing this past week that would indicate Morris is going to get more touches than Jones. Jones has played fine given opportunities. So has Morris when he's been healthy. I expect them to share carries and post similar stats. I don't see either of them separating themselves from the other through the rest of the season. However, I won't be surprised to see people over-react when one has a big game. Morris did have one longer impressive run last week. Perhaps this ranking is an overreaction to that single play?

 

[Strategery]

I am just came to the pool to post something about the same thing. Really curious what the ranking and projections are based on.

 

[Enforcer]

Relevant information with regard to Jones and Morris. Looks like Jones lost his cool on the sideline last week. Perhaps Mr. Dodds is onto something here...

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seaha...ory/515110.html

Frustration boils over on Seahawks' sideline

FRANK HUGHES; frank.hughes@thenewstribune.com

Published: October 22nd, 2008 12:30 AM | Updated: October 22nd, 2008 08:25 AM

RENTON – The stoic veneer that has surrounded the stumbling Seattle Seahawks throughout this difficult season suffered a crack during Sunday night’s 20-10 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Toward the end of the game, running back Julius Jones, frustrated by an anemic offense that ran only 39 total plays and gained only 176 yards, began ranting on the sideline, calling out coach Mike Holmgren, onlookers say.

The problems began soon after Jones gained 21 yards on the Seahawks’ final scoring drive, which took Seattle to Tampa Bay’s 11.

Jones was in on the next play, a 3-yard completion from Seneca Wallace to tight end John Carlson, but then was pulled on second down.

That’s when Jones’ frustration boiled over and he began yelling on the sideline, including remarks about Holmgren.

Jones went back in on third down and gained 6 yards to the Buccaneers’ 2, but was pulled again on fourth down, when Wallace completed a touchdown pass to Carlson on the right wing.

Those carries were Jones’ only two of the second half. He had a season-low seven for the game, gaining 42 yards. Jones was so upset that rookie defensive tackle Red Bryant went over to the former Dallas Cowboys back and put his arms around him to calm him down.

Jones did not make an appearance in the Seahawks’ locker room on Tuesday and was not available for an interview request. Bryant also was not in the locker room on Tuesday.

Holmgren acknowledged the emotional outbursts during Monday’s news conference with Seattle media, saying, “There was a little frustration on the sideline yesterday. Understandably so, but again I have to talk to the team about how we handle ourselves in that situation. Again, we’re not the first team to go through a time like this. How we handle it is important.”

When Holmgren was asked what specifically the frustrations were, he said he did not know.

“I kind of heard it through a third party, so I’ve got to kind of get to the bottom of it,” Holmgren said. “Probably, you know, it wasn’t going well. Or we missed something. I don’t know. The normal stuff.”

Holmgren did not meet with the media on Tuesday but will hold his weekly news conference this afternoon.

Jones started to leave the field in Tampa before the game was over, but he returned to the sideline and rejoined the huddle when he realized the Seahawks were getting the ball back with six seconds remaining, enough time to run one play.

The Seahawks so far have prided themselves, they say, on staying together through what has been an abysmal season, the team’s worst start since 2002.

But many of the players are beginning to admit that frustration is setting in, given their hard work and lack of payoff.

“I think we all are a little miffed how it has gotten to this point,” wide receiver Bobby Engram said.

Jones signed with the Seahawks as a free agent in the offseason, told by Holmgren that he would have a chance to start if he played well.

He earned the starting job after Maurice Morris injured his knee in the first game and Jones rushed for more than 100 yards in each of the next two games.

That led Holmgren to announce that the team was going to rely more on the running game, in part because at the time it was the league’s fifth-best rushing attack and Jones was third in the league.

But then the Seahawks got trounced by the New York Giants, 44-6, during which Holmgren abandoned the run and called more passing plays. Jones rushed for 61 yards on 17 carries in that game.

The following week, the Seahawks were beaten by Green Bay, 27-17, and Jones’ carries were reduced to 12, his yardage down to 44.

And then against Tampa Bay, the offense never got into a rhythm, running fewer plays than Holmgren said he ever could remember. When the Buccaneers jumped to a 17-0 lead, the Seahawks ditched the run and passed more, limiting Jones’ opportunities.

On top of that, Morris, back from his knee injury, rushed four times in the third quarter, gaining 53 yards, including a 45-yard run.

By the time Holmgren again turned to Jones, the outcome of the game was apparent and Jones no longer could contain his frustration.

“It’s hard right now, and everybody is disappointed,” Holmgren said. “There’s only one thing you can do though. You’re not going to quit. And you’re not going to just cash it in and start thinking about next year. That’s not going to happen. So the only other alternative you have is to keep plugging away. My job is to keep them positive.”

 

[Largent]

JJ snapped on the sidelines....Big Show doesn't tolerate those things, and MoMo looked quick and decisive in Tampa.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Well, I have to start MoMo this week due to byes and injuries. i was going to bench him and pick up Pierre Thomas, Stecker, Leon Washington, Green-Ellis, or K. Faulk, but I'm beginning to think MoMo might be a better start than any of them.

 

[Moe Green]

“It’s hard right now, and everybody is disappointed,” Holmgren said. “There’s only one thing you can do though. You’re not going to quit. And you’re not going to just cash it in and start thinking about next year. That’s not going to happen. So the only other alternative you have is to keep plugging away. My job is to keep them positive.”

Tough job. Hasn't Holmgren indicated that this may be his last season coaching the Seahawks?

 

[Moniker]

I follow the Seattle beat writers very closely. I've seen nothing this past week that would indicate Morris is going to get more touches than Jones. Jones has played fine given opportunities. So has Morris when he's been healthy.

He only has Morris getting five more touches than Jones, it's not like he has it at a 70/30 split.

 

[packersfan]

Calling out Holmgren isn't very smart.

 

[Enforcer]

I follow the Seattle beat writers very closely. I've seen nothing this past week that would indicate Morris is going to get more touches than Jones. Jones has played fine given opportunities. So has Morris when he's been healthy.

He only has Morris getting five more touches than Jones, it's not like he has it at a 70/30 split.

Morris is ranked 16. Jones is ranked 40th. Maybe there's a large glut of players ranked together from 20 to 40 that are he's projecting to score similar points.

 

[Enforcer]

“It’s hard right now, and everybody is disappointed,” Holmgren said. “There’s only one thing you can do though. You’re not going to quit. And you’re not going to just cash it in and start thinking about next year. That’s not going to happen. So the only other alternative you have is to keep plugging away. My job is to keep them positive.”

Tough job. Hasn't Holmgren indicated that this may be his last season coaching the Seahawks?

Holmgren is done after this year with Seattle. Its been predetermined that Mora will take over next season as the head coach.

 

[menobrown]

Calling out Holmgren isn't very smart.

Smart or not he deserved to get called out. I don't know what more Julius Jones could have done to cement the starting job than what he had already done. I'm just a dude posting on a fantasy football site and Holmgreen is the genius but why he can't see that Julius Jones has been pretty effective when he's had a chance to be the "man" and conversely very ineffective when he's part of a RBBC is a mystery to me. My best guess is Holmgreen just never wanted JJ. With Holmgreen on his way out and long ago stripped of his GM duties I'm not sure how much say he has in personnel matters any longer.

 

[Strategery]

Any new news from Holmgren's news conference today?

 

[menobrown]

Any new news from Holmgren's news conference today?

Talkin' HawksSeahawksHawksNFLfootballcoachteamstatisticsgamesSeattle« Tuesday in Hawkville | Main | Wednesday in Hawkville »Print thisE-mail thisHolmgren: It's speculationThe Mike Holmgren-to-the-49ers talk is rampant in the Bay Area. But the Seahawks coach had other thoughts during his noon news conference today:"Look it, this is my home. Seattle is my home. This is my team. We've talked more than a few times in here about my future. So right now, we've got to figure out how to win a game here for the Seattle Seahawks. Then all the rest of this stuff is what you said, it's speculation."Holmgren said he's holding out hope that QB Matt Hasselbeck can play against the 49ers on Sunday, despite not practicing today.He also downplayed the sideline snit by running back Julius Jones at the end of Sunday night's game against the Bucs in Tampa. Holmgren said he has talked to Jones about the situation, which was a flare-up of emotions after he was taken out of the game during the two-minute offense.

 

[mad sweeney]

That's just absurd. At this point there's no way that anyone should be promoting Morris or Jones ahead of the other. There's no reason to think that one will significantly outshine the other. do anything.

I was a big supporter of taking Morris ahead of Jones due to his ADP, but I can't get behind that ranking. Given the situation in Seattle with their offensive issues I think they are both ranked too high, and Morris significantly too high.

3 games in a row of under 200 yards on a team that's playing without passion for an apparently stale and lame duck head coach. Going against arguably the best LB in the game being coached by one of the greatest and most intense LBs of all time at home in his first game. They'll be fired up, wheras the only Hawks player that shows any emotion is the guy that shares carries with Morris. The Rams played their guts out for Haslett and the Seahawks play my guts out. I don't see any reason to rank any Seattle player period in the top 20 of any list, except perhaps Carlson.

 

[mad sweeney]

“It’s hard right now, and everybody is disappointed,” Holmgren said. “There’s only one thing you can do though. You’re not going to quit. And you’re not going to just cash it in and start thinking about next year. That’s not going to happen. So the only other alternative you have is to keep plugging away. My job is to keep them positive.”

Tough job. Hasn't Holmgren indicated that this may be his last season coaching the Seahawks?

It was widely reported in the offseason and throughout the enitre season thus far that Mora Jr is taking over next year. With Nolan's firing it's been the subject of rampant speculation that Holmgren may not take 2009 off (as has also been widely reported since the offseason) and take up the mantle in his hometown of SF. I'm kind of hoping that was a joke. If not, did you also get the note that Favre is now a Jet?

 

[packersfan]

Bloom is also riding on the Mo Morris bandwagon this week. FBG is giving Morris a very strong endorsement. This really does feel like Greg Camarillo Redux. Will they hit the mark like they did with him?

 

[Enforcer]

That's just absurd. At this point there's no way that anyone should be promoting Morris or Jones ahead of the other. There's no reason to think that one will significantly outshine the other. do anything.

I was a big supporter of taking Morris ahead of Jones due to his ADP, but I can't get behind that ranking. Given the situation in Seattle with their offensive issues I think they are both ranked too high, and Morris significantly too high.

3 games in a row of under 200 yards on a team that's playing without passion for an apparently stale and lame duck head coach. Going against arguably the best LB in the game being coached by one of the greatest and most intense LBs of all time at home in his first game. They'll be fired up, wheras the only Hawks player that shows any emotion is the guy that shares carries with Morris. The Rams played their guts out for Haslett and the Seahawks play my guts out. I don't see any reason to rank any Seattle player period in the top 20 of any list, except perhaps Carlson.

Sadly, I have to agree with this assessment. I wish it wasn't so, but it just is.

 

[packersfan]

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[NCPanthersFan]

I do not know if allot of folks are experiencing the same thing or not but this year - going against Dodds has been a losing proposition for me when it comes to predicting rankings for lower tier players like Morris.

 

[Enforcer]

Further review of the Jones "blow-up" seems to indicate that our buddy Frank Hughes from the Tacoma News Tribune may be exaggerating a bit. He's done it before. He'll likely do it again. Clare Farnsworth from the Seattle PI reported the same story, but did so with much less flare indicating that it may be no big thing. I get the feeling from Hughes that he's bored and would really enjoy some sort of meltdown to report on. I kind of feel for the dude. He went from being the Sonics beat writer (20 win team that moved) to a last place football team.

 

[packersfan]

I do not know if allot of folks are experiencing the same thing or not but this year - going against Dodds has been a losing proposition for me when it comes to predicting rankings for lower tier players like Morris.

The one I've been referencing is Camarillo. Have there been other Out of Nowhere high rankings? The Camarillo one was money. For both Dodds and Bloom to have this level of confidence in a backup RB is a pretty bold statement. With so many RBs injured and/or on byes this week, this is precisely the type of info that could win some weeks if it pans out. How many people have the stones to go with Mo Morris? That's the question.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

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I think Morris is underrated, and he was responsible for the only explosive play from the Seattle offense Sunday night. I believe that the committee that was in the offing before Morris got hurt is in now in effect. I don't have Morris projected as a "must smart" by any means, but SF has been putting up little resistance to the run this year, so both Morris and Jones are in play as Flex/RB3 types.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

With Seneca under center, the Seahawks will try to run early and often. As long as they stay in the game, the team will want to control the ball and the clock. They are in trouble if Wallace decides the outcome. I could easily see 35-40 touches between Morris and Jones if the Seahawks are in the game.

 

[Alberta Clipper]

I remember the Camarillo ranking very well. I share a $500 league team with a partner and we have WR3 issues every week due to Curtis inj, etc. Well we both noticed the Camarillo high projected ranking and liked him but we liked Toomer just a lil bit more that week (the Plax susp week) in PPR. I remember telling my partner "I think they will both due well and I highly doubt the difference b/w them will decide the outcome of our matchup this week"



lol - talk about kiss of death!

We started Toomer 10 pts

Camarillo 19 pts

We lost by about 4 points

I do not know if allot of folks are experiencing the same thing or not but this year - going against Dodds has been a losing proposition for me when it comes to predicting rankings for lower tier players like Morris.

The one I've been referencing is Camarillo. Have there been other Out of Nowhere high rankings? The Camarillo one was money. For both Dodds and Bloom to have this level of confidence in a backup RB is a pretty bold statement. With so many RBs injured and/or on byes this week, this is precisely the type of info that could win some weeks if it pans out. How many people have the stones to go with Mo Morris? That's the question.

 

[BigTuna]

My gut tells me to not read too much into this. Its his first time. Holmgren won't let his ego stop him from keeping fresh legs on the field. It'll be RBBC as usual. Bench them both.

 

[packersfan]

FBG has come way off their early week projection for Morris but they still have him projected to be a good RB3 this week. I'm ravaged by injuries this week so I'm rolling the dice with him. Anybody else gambling on Mo Morris this week?

 

[Tau837]

I'm currently planning to start him in a 16 team redraft due to weak alternatives. I currently have AP (on bye), Morris, Taylor, and Norwood on my roster and must start 2 of them. Charles, Kolby Smith, and Faulk are all available, and I have been debating whether or not I should pick up and start one of them. However, we are limited to 4 RBs, so I'd have to cut one of the others to do so.

 

[KellysHeroes]

FBG has come way off their early week projection for Morris but they still have him projected to be a good RB3 this week. I'm ravaged by injuries this week so I'm rolling the dice with him. Anybody else gambling on Mo Morris this week?

I was... but since FWP is out again... I'm plugging Moore back in.I still need to choose one of Dunn, Morris, & Stecker. If Dunn is out, I think I'll do Steck.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

FBG has come way off their early week projection for Morris but they still have him projected to be a good RB3 this week. I'm ravaged by injuries this week so I'm rolling the dice with him. Anybody else gambling on Mo Morris this week?

I am rambling with him, more out of need than choice. With LJ out, and Morris dropping to the wire by a team that needed to fill bye week issues, I snagged him and am slotting him in the flex. In a 12-team league where many like to stash RB depth, Morris makes a decent if not quality RB3 for my squad this week.Not expecting the moon for Morris -- if the carries are split, I can see him racking up 60+ combined, and have a slim shot at a touchdown -- league is PPR, and he's used out of the backfield often, so this could add to his point production.

 

[packersfan]

FBG has come way off their early week projection for Morris but they still have him projected to be a good RB3 this week. I'm ravaged by injuries this week so I'm rolling the dice with him. Anybody else gambling on Mo Morris this week?

I am rambling with him, more out of need than choice. With LJ out, and Morris dropping to the wire by a team that needed to fill bye week issues, I snagged him and am slotting him in the flex. In a 12-team league where many like to stash RB depth, Morris makes a decent if not quality RB3 for my squad this week.Not expecting the moon for Morris -- if the carries are split, I can see him racking up 60+ combined, and have a slim shot at a touchdown -- league is PPR, and he's used out of the backfield often, so this could add to his point production.

That's where I'm at too - more need than choice (although I do think the matchup is a very favorable one for Morris and Julius Jones). I'm hoping for at least 45 yards rushing, 3-4 receptions for another 20+ yards. Anything more than that will be gravy.

 

[yesitsme]

That's just absurd. At this point there's no way that anyone should be promoting Morris or Jones ahead of the other. There's no reason to think that one will significantly outshine the other.

??? When you make a ranking, you are going to have one person ahead of the other. Although before games, it may appear that one guy will get 6 points and another guy may get 5 points, it rarely works out that way.I give him credit for making a stand. If anything, I think Dodds at times doesn't take a stand enough. I can't stand when you put 2 or 3 guys in the mid 30's at RB from the same team when you know darn well, 1 of those guys will end up top 15. I don't need to know that it's difficult to predict.......I need to know which of the 2 or 3 does someone with much information and experience think is going to have the better day.Kudos

 

[NYG Endzone]

Big day for MoMo?

 

[Chief]

1 total yard so far on 5 carries. he has been hit in the backfield a few times and was in negative yardage for a while.

Big day for MoMo?

 

[[scooter]]

Wow, FBGs really blew it this time. Can't believe they didn't see Jones' 2-point outburst coming.

 

[gonzobill5]

sure they were off a bit, but in all fairness, he did lead the team in carries. If SF didn't dominate TOP in the 2nd half it could have turned into a decent afternoon. Or, if he was the beneficiary of one of Weaver's catches...

 

[Enforcer]

sure they were off a bit, but in all fairness, he did lead the team in carries. If SF didn't dominate TOP in the 2nd half it could have turned into a decent afternoon. Or, if he was the beneficiary of one of Weaver's catches...

The back that led the team in carries today was a coin flip. Jones was the starter and played through the first two series. From then on Morris and Jones shared time. Holmgren isn't calling specific plays for either player. He's calling plays regardless of which RB is in the game. Morris just happened to be in the game when more running plays were called.IMO neither RB had a chance to shine today. They were both hit in the backfield on several plays getting dropped for losses. Looking forward, my guess is this is now more of RBBC than it was before. Neither player has stood out and earned more carries than the other.

 

[KellysHeroes]

glad I didn't fall for this